[000:00:00;00] time with preserved status is a problem. we can’t just visit ukraine without special documents there, and there are advantages, in principle, we have the opportunity to work far from russia, you know. it seems to me that this is the biggest advantage. normal and hmm minus yes, you cannot return to ukraine, you have to fill out a special form and the fact that it is very far , it is really 7000 km from ukraine, it really feels like you are in another world, and the medicine here is very, very hmm, you are not fast buy everyone complains in europe too thank you sorry we have to finish the broadcast is coming to an end thank you very much to my guests ekaterina karpuninia and anastasia savchenko from the united states of america in our ukrainian house who found

temporary protection there at this point i put a full stop and hand over the floor to serhiy rudenko next program verdict congratulations congratulations thanks to anzhelika literally in a few seconds glory to ukraine is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today , march 23, 393 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers, the enemy is losing significant forces in bakhmut, is expiring, and the armed forces of ukraine will soon take advantage of this, said the commander of the ground forces of the armed forces of ukraine, oleksandr syrskyi, and the russians continue to shell ukrainian positions in the east and south, as well as villages and cities now there are 15 enemy ships in the black sea, three ships are carriers of 20 salvo-caliber missiles

, meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of the morning of march 23, russia already lost 168,500 people in ukraine only in the last day, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 60 orks at the beginning of the great war , the russians have already lost in ukraine 3,570 tanks, 6,898 armored combat vehicles, 2,608 artillery systems, 511 rocket launchers, 273 anti-aircraft defenses, 305 aircraft , 290 helicopters, 5,452 units of automotive equipment and 18 ships, boats, 907 cruise missiles, 2,203 drones, 273 units of special equipment, white fever in the kremlin, medvedev threatens the whole world with nukes, and china

absorbs russia. well, of course, about the situation we will speak to the eastern and southern fronts of ukraine. today with our guests for the next hour, i want to introduce today's first guest - he is the director of the center for military and legal research , oleksandr musiyenko, oleksandr. good day and good health to you. thank you for joining our conversation. greetings. health so, mr. oleksandr, let's start with china with xi jinping's visit, because the russians talk about the historicity of this visit and talk about what beijing said in this difficult time for the russian federation, which seems to be waging a war with the whole world, supported putin, how do you evaluate the results of xi jinping’s visit and what he gained and what putin lost in this dialogue that i conducted

for almost 2.5 days and most importantly , what does the world gain or lose from this of this dialogue between the leaders of the two states. well, the fact is that we have seen the deepening of russia's dependence on china. this is obvious . you can see it everywhere, and by the way putin received and by the way he spoke and the toasts he announced to everyone's health are ringing for er strengthening of friendship, etc. and in the format of those agreements at the level of memoranda so far, there is a statement, but it is obvious that they will become a reality, because, well, where can russia sell its gas and oil except in china with a large discount and a large discount , it is obvious that siedenpinia arranged

such a reception. that the emperor has arrived, who is being greeted, does it mean that it is laziness? that apart from china , they currently have no other major partners, i emphasize the major ones because i do not take into account the smaller countries with which they have a much smaller turnover, the level of relations, and so on , which are still there, obviously, some countries of latin america, africa or do asians support this? first, secondly, it is obvious that russia's dependence on china is deepening and china is satisfied with the current state of affairs . led russia to international isolation, and china will receive dividends points and profit from

this situation as it can be the next moment from this point of view, of course we can get moral satisfaction from the fact that we see the humiliation putin is forced to undergo, how to swim in front of this ringing, this is understandable and strictly speaking, it shatters russian narratives and propaganda myths about a multipolar world , it is nothing, it is not very polar because russia is pointed to its place. moral satisfaction as i said seeing the humiliation of putin in the end so far nothing good, that is, i do not see any positive results and trends that have affected our situation, namely, on russian aggression against ukraine, they are not visible , that is, it is obvious that china is interested in this situation continued and the fact that russia was in this war does not mean that china wants russia to win and win and score points on the international arena, but it

means that china is not interested in russia losing to austria in ukraine and therefore, so far i do not see any positive trends in this sense, specifically for us, so far putin has not commented on anything official . however, dmitry medvedev was released yesterday in front of journalists, who again began to talk about the fact that the world is unfair to the russian leader , insulted the minister of justice of germany, commenting on the extradition warrant for the arrest of the russian dictator vladimir putin and then again began to threaten the world with nuclear weapons

. like the minister of justice of germany, they say, well, if he comes, we will draw him, he is a lawyer, he understands what this means, let's introduce ourselves clearly, that this is a situation that will never be realized, but nevertheless, let's imagine that it has been realized, the current head of a nuclear state has arrived here we are allowed to enter the territory of germany, and i will rise up to the aristocracy that this is a declaration of war by the russian federation, and already in this case, all of our other missile weapons will fly to the bundestag, to the chancellor's office, and so on. well, with such a declaration dmitry medvedev and oleksandr spoke, the only thing that medvedev did not explain is how putin will be at that time, when the missiles of the russian

federation will fly in defense of putin on the head of the germans, well, that is, if he is in germany, then of course they will finish putin off . do you perceive this zhirinovsky plot performed by medvedev because zhirynovsky died and his case lives on , you know the point. if we talk about zhirynovsky , his case, i want to remind you that his case is really alive because zhirynovsky what kind of was called marginal, and since the mid-90s and later he wrote books about how russia should carry out territorial expansion, about it, russia's imperial course about crimea, and so on , even then he actually carried out this ideological pumping and brainwashing, that is, he worked against this background ah, quite actively evaluating medvedev well, you understand

what the situation is, i look at it, it's all pathetic, what's going on, what has medvedev come to, and i can say you know that even er ukrainian presidents even what kind of traitor, i mean the fugitive criminal yanukovych, even he looks an order of magnitude higher than the bears in the territory of this in his statements, as he commented even on the events of the maidan, because the level to which medvedev has sunk into the fringes is absolutely and you know, the tone of the conversation is absolutely unacceptable for any political figure, even one who is at war there and so on. well, this indicates his degradation as a final degradation as a politician. this is how he is perceived in the world in the end and what the more he gives an interview to the bears, the more confidence i feel in the west of europe from the world in general that russia simply needs to be stopped

because what is being produced there and the narratives that are being discussed and medvedev also gives an interview on the central television channel they then this they discuss, enjoy these episodes, promote them, and so on, and there is propaganda pumping with all of this, that's why i think that this is just an additional thing, the more often medvedev gives interviews, i think there are more reasons and more arguments appear for our partners to provide ukraine with more support and more weapons to win this war and to overcome this criminal russian totalitarian regime . meanwhile, russian propagandists state that the agreements signed during xi jinping's visit to moscow on military technical cooperation with china contain specific proposals there was no, and who is now an aggressive

beggar, let's see, he does not want to break relations , not with the united states, not even with europe. cooperation between the russian federation and the chinese agreement was reached, but it will not be said in the district, it will not be after the day, my moment is why they are calling zelensky , he already has one aggressive beggar, he does not need a second aggressive beggar . oleksandr, why did xi not call zelensky after his visit to moscow? how you think, you know, i don't see any tragedy in this , i'll tell you frankly, on the contrary, i see that well , let's talk frankly about the subject, now you understand. the context, the moment and the place of the conversation are even more important than the content, even if the content is the best. what context is currently being created around this conversation? look at all the calls. he is going to russia

. putin receives them there. by the way, he made a statement that he wants to be on the right side of history and with from his point of view, this can be interpreted as being in moscow and making such a statement, this is putin's side that they are together now on the right side of history, this is a statement that he made the second, look, what is now, uh, the united states is actually preparing declassification no bokovida, this was announced by president biden, next was the prime minister of japan in kyiv, the general situation around the focus of the union of australia, britain , the united states and the fact that china is not satisfied with the strengthening of cooperation with japan there , building relations with india with the rest of our western partners, which are now quite so they look warily at china, plus statements from the west that china is considering the possibility of transferring lethal weapons to russia, and

plus e-initiatives, chinese sit-downs about what they are saying, i call it a declaration about the intentions for everything good against everything bad, but without specifics, the plan for settling the ukrainian crisis, as they call it, not the russian-ukrainian war, i.e. it seems to me that the context and time for this conversation is not quite right and it would obviously be better to do it at the moment when in we will finally have an ambassador of ukraine in china , what kind of connections will be built, a political economic platform, and then organize this conversation. that is, i am not categorically against the conversation. i think that now is not the best, not the right time for this again let's go back to medvedev, because this is the thesis about the nuclear apocalypse, which russian politicians and the self-proclaimed president

of belarus keep pushing. it still aims to issue another ultimatum to the russian federation , because we remember that the first ultimatum was at the end of december in 2021, when putin said that he was the united states of america , nato members should take into account geopolitical realities and the wishes of moscow, and then they promoted the signing of the agreement, and washington refused then as well as the nato countries. by the way, in this synchronicity that we will see now, medvedev mentions this. so, medvedev mentions the approaching nuclear apocalypse . has the threat of a nuclear conflict passed? there is no one to blame. it increased every day

the supply of foreign weapons to ukraine in the end the account is approaching this very nuclear apocalypse to me. you know what happened that they didn't believe it, they didn't see the degree of determination of russia, its president or the supreme commander-in-chief , to do what we did, and they miscalculated the consequences are more complicated than they could be if they had signed the document with us in december, or rather, obviously, the west did not see that nuclear weapons are in the hands of, well, outright idiots who are in russia and not only in russia, but also in belarus, because in parallel with medvedev yesterday, the topic of nuclear weapons was discussed by lukashenko, who said that belarus will also have weapons with real

uranium . please, russia will supply us with ammunition with real uranium today. crazy people, they will give this process a boost . this is the most terrible and most dangerous thing. therefore , we need to step aside a little from the madness, and then, as soon as these ammunitions explode on the positions of the russian troops, you will see the answer will be terrible for the entire planet will be a lesson, that is, there are at least three people who publicly threaten this world with a nuclear war , oleksandr, considering the fact that lukashenko and medvedev and putin, in principle , fall under the category of nuclear terrorists

well, that is, it is a terror not only of ukraine but also of the whole world, the most effective reaction of which , according to you, can be from the side of the western countries. i see what we are going to do, that there will be enough determination, or rather stupidity to do so, i want to remind you that the leading western media warned about what russia wants to do, well, starting somewhere from november 2022 and even later, some publications drew little plans of the possible the invasion of russian troops, by which they eventually invaded ukraine, that is, it is not that they did not know about the determination, but they definitely knew the plans, which indicates that there is a rather powerful agency of the western intelligence community in russia, and there is an outpouring of powerful intelligence from the russian side information, this is the first moment, the second moment regarding nuclear terror and

threats well, as soon as russia is not sure of its position, as soon as they do not have any achievements and victories on the battlefield , the factor of nuclear blackmail immediately turns on look and trace the chronology of events starting at the end of february since last year since putin ordered the nuclear deterrent to be put on strategic high alert since then there was the first signal and after that we heard a series then during the announcement of the so-called partial mobilization and then during his speech at messages to the federation council, all this coincides in one way or another with the non-achievement of the military goals that were set. what is the current non-achievement of the military goals ? it was supposed to happen according to plan a-a of putin's russia and his entourage it was supposed to happen a complete capture of the donetsk region

is obvious that this will not happen in the time interval that is only yes and in general i think and hope that this will not happen at all and our forces will repel the attack next look, we see that on the other hand, russia may have perceived its own, let's say, these statements and plagiarism in front of the tsimping that we said that the west would suddenly want some kind of dialogue with putin in order to come to an agreement with putin that let's come together. let's join a coalition against the chinese. it's not happening. russia is ignoring putin. putin is being ignored , and the united states secretary of state blinken says that when putin is on the territory of the states that signed the rome statute, he should be arrested by the relevant warrant and begins. well, what remains for russia to include a nuclear blackmail , what they continue to do, how to react to it

, in part we can see the way of reaction . near the borders of russia, who flew to estonia to the baltic countries and was present there . we hear for sure not so long ago, somewhere 2-3 weeks ago, and the director, this rubens, in an interview for cbs, he clearly said that they are conveying absolutely clear messages to russia about the possible consequences devastating that russia will suffer as a result of the use of nuclear weapons or the continuation of this blackmail, that is , of course, the tools are used, but it is obvious that a country that blackmails the whole world with a nuclear war that threatens against it should be used as much as possible the level of pressure and sanctions, and in the end, when some people are now ashamed to talk about what they are saying about the fact that it is impossible to discuss the status of russia in the future if it is a nuclear

power, then i apologize, but what is the alternative, if not to pull out the poison or claws and teeth from this cobra , which is now crawling out and all well, it seems to me that there is simply no other way for the future. when putin announced the so-called special military operation , to put it simply, he made the decision to start a major war between russia and ukraine, he said that its goal is the identification and demilitarization of ukraine, a year after the start of this great war, the whole world is now talking about the danger of the russian state , the military state, or the nazi or russian state. education

is now the power of opportunity to carry out denazification, demilitarization, the nuclearization of the russian federation is underway, or do we still have to approach it somewhere after a certain time there in a year or two i think that education is being formed most politicians have an understanding of what needs to be done. i think that this is how this understanding comes. of course, as a state, we should be at the forefront of this process, and we should also not wait, you know, for someone to propose it in the united states, britain , france, berlin or others. platforms, we have to propose these solutions ourselves and try them in various ways through the media , through expert communities, through political circles, to convey and lobby, that is, this idea should be generally us now when, you see

, even when we talk about some solutions, we we are talking about the fact that russia needs to exclude zoom, but in addition to the fact that russia needs to be excluded from the un, it is important to work on the thesis that the world obviously needs a new atlantic charter or a new washington treaty on the united nations, which would consolidate the world around the threats that surround those allies which are now forming the so-called axis of evil and threaten the civilized world of the world, this is also important and in this sense these discussions of the discussion, they can, can, should be and will be , and in the end somewhere there is a question about when this it is possible to do and achieve it, it is obvious that it is problematic to achieve it now, but i want to tell you that russia is actually in many ways collapsing and this empire is collapsing much faster than anyone imagined or analyzed even on the example of such a technical detail that

concerns weapons when we see that only russia delivered t-62 tanks in august and september of last year, and they were talking about the fact that now they are already there and two are finished, they are already removing older models of tanks from storage, this was only six months ago, i lead to the fact that russia is collapsing even faster than some imagined, and because there are still chances to destroy this monster, that is, to help it self-destruct . the wall street journal, after xi jinping went to moscow, predicts and warns american politicians that china's support for the russian federation in its conflict against ukraine should be a warning to the whole world, including

american politicians who do not understand that russia's victory in ukraine will benefit china's geopolitical goals, you have already mentioned these poles, and putin very often says in his speeches, well, he says that the world is multi-vector or multipolar, why do they say that the two poles have already gone away a long time ago, but he is not quite himself, obviously you do not imagine that these poles are now not in moscow and in washington or in washington and in peking eh, according to your opinion, how quickly china can influence russia in the conflict in the war eh russia against ukraine and what are the prospects they are waiting for russian

federation in the event that the capitulation is still given by the russian federation, the situation is as follows, you know , it seems to me that the negotiations between peking and washington, let ’s say at a certain stage. that president biden would like to talk to this pin, and by the way, this is also one point that uh, we should also wait for their conversation . let them talk and after that organize with the ukrainian president i think that if we talk like this, it is quite simplified, but what could be some kind of agreement for the future, and as for russia, i imagine it so that the united states could propose conditions under which after russia will be transformed or new ones will arise there are maybe 3-4 more state formations on the territory of modern

russia, and the west and europe, e.e., leave behind influence just there on the european part of these state formations, with demilitarization, where nuclearization, with what we talked about, and china can claim the far east. this way, there could be a conversation around this - this is one stage, but this is in the event that the united states will have the desire to agree on something at all now at this level, these jinpins understand why because, after all , i have all here are my observations: china has certain imperial ambitions on the example of russia, and this is noticeable, and again , how much the united states and the west in general are comfortable with the role of china as a state with imperial ambitions, you understand, after all

the chinese are much smarter, but relatively speaking, no one in the east wants a second putin, and that alone is why the situation seems to me to be a bit complicated today, it will depend on what the policy of the west or the western alliance is in relation to china and russia will be formed in the future, because well, listen to the statements made by these callers at the meeting with putin that they are on the right side of history . i think that this causes some concern in the western capitals, erdogan has already stated that he expects to negotiate with putin in the near future two days in this situation and in the development of events that we are observing. over the past few months, turkey has been busy with the consequences of the earthquake, it is clear that cardigans were probably not up to the mark, and we know that the presidential elections in turkey are to be held in may, and it is clear that for it is very important to show that

he is a player, a geopolitical player, but erdan in this situation takes approximately the same position as isi, so that we are on the outside , that is, we are not on the wrong side, not on the right side although china is clearly leaning more towards the side of the russian federation, according to you, should we expect from erdoğan some movements or certain statements in favor of ukraine and on the side of ukraine, because we know that there are many crimean tatars in turkey and it is clear that their support in the elections will obviously be strong enough for erdoğan. well, you know, you see that there has been some progress in turkey's position . it is positive for us that they have joined