[000:00:00;00] you know, it was extremely nice when our chat factions heard his words that he remains with us, he remains a member of the only ukrainian team, and this is mega-important, this is mega-3 years of happiness to have such people as general zabrodsky in your life. thank you mr. oleg senyutka, people's deputy of ukraine, chairman of the verkhovna rada's committee on ensuring the activities of people's deputies, let's move on , inform you about the most important , the law on compensation for housing damaged or destroyed by occupiers has entered into force, parliament voted for the document a month ago, the state has already allocated even regrets 17 billion hryvnias, all funds are seized from the russian sberbank in ukraine, how to get compensation

, dmytro didora researched on these shots dmytro from irpen in april last year singing in his dilapidated apartment, then he saw her for the first time after the deoccupation of kyiv region on march 5, russian troops dropped a phosphorus bomb on the roof of a high-rise building , they tried to extinguish the building for several hours , several floors burned down, all apartments have no windows, about 50% of the apartments in our building 25-30% of apartments burned in the shunt and did not burn at all, they were smoked and literally fell apart, 10-15% of apartments remained like my apartment, uh, battered, tattered, but still subject to restoration. residents conducted a technical analysis of the damage at their own expense - the conclusion of the commission is subject to reconstruction now it is the turn of the project. very valuable documentation

regarding the restoration of a house without a roof . we, with our own resources , with the resources of the residents. inside but this is not a solution, it is not for a long time, it is not one year, if there were people like dmytro in ukraine, at least 2 million citizens, the majority simply cannot restore housing with their own funds. on february 23, parliamentarians adopted in the second reading the law on compensation for destroyed or damaged housing, donetsk is considered the most affected kharkiv and kyiv regions will be able to receive compensation today only citizens of ukraine, these people are citizens of ukraine, they should not be on independent lists, they should not have

certain accusations of treason or in matters related to national defense, an application for compensation can be submitted through the action of the social protection agency or a notary, it is necessary to provide a copy of a document confirming the right of ownership, it is also desirable to attach photos or video materials before or after the destruction of the residence, all applications will be verified by the commission that will be created by self-government bodies and 30 days when the commission , through the use of a digital tool, is a register of damaged and destroyed property, it will create a housing certificate if the housing is destroyed, if it is an apartment building and the apartment is located in such a building, for those whose housing is completely destroyed, the law provides for housing certificates for the amount of damage caused, that is, the state guarantees to finance the purchase of a ready-made apartment or house or housing. what is the location of your new one being built? accommodation you choose yourself, you can also receive

funds to a target account to restore damaged housing, a person receives target funds that can be used exclusively for building materials or for construction works, this is also done by a commission created when the local self-government was breached. the house of our host lena chechenina was also destroyed by the russians , but the residents of the house did not wait for a compensation mechanism and restored everything with their own funds. much more personal, all the sofas there were in the dirt, that's what i spent on a significant amount. well, plus the restoration of communications, the law does not yet provide for money for those who restored their houses on their own, such citizens are asked to wait for reparations from the aggressor state, but how much

we have to wait, it is unknown, i settled on the fact that no one will return all this to the reparations from russia. i don't know if we can expect it, i already forgot about this money, but if there are reparations, i will be satisfied. this amount is, well, 1045, the law has already been signed by the president, however on the ground , they still do not know how it will work , giorgiy yerko, the head of the village council of barodyanka , which was completely destroyed by the russian occupiers, admits to us, the man says that the local officials have not received any instructions from the central government, because the government has two months to develop regulations and only after these procedures , citizens will be able not only to submit documents, but also finally receive compensation for property damaged by the russians dmytro didura oleksandr burlevych oscar jansons, espresso tv channel , prime minister denys shmyhal really believes that the scale of military operations in ukraine stated that the amount of funds announced by the world bank for

the reconstruction of ukraine does not take into account the destruction even in the occupied territories, this is if we are talking about the previous amount of 411 billion e-e dollars. and if we are talking about the housing of ukrainians so about a million of our fellow citizens are left without it, in fact, the other day the president signed the law 71-98 on compensation for destroyed and damaged housing and already in may people will start receiving the first compensations , people's deputy olena shulyak informed about this, we will talk about it together with our next by god, a public figure , a member of the lviv city council, arrives in our studio. glory to ukraine, mr. nazarius . i congratulate you. so history is extremely important . the president signed the law. yes, to all 1:98 law. about compensation, but the issue of mechanisms, because the key story is, so to speak, as a recipient who applies for

receiving funds, go to the real receiving funds, which in your opinion will be the most convenient mechanisms, how will they work? well, because 335,000 people have already registered in the action, that is, an application for compensation regarding the damaged housing of the enemy well, of course, this bill was on time and despite the fact that the devastating destruction continues, we need to think about how to deal with the reconstruction already today and it was the right decision is to discuss and adopt some mechanisms, of course, the main risk is how to get this compensation in practice and that it is really useful for those people and the housing that was damaged as a result of russian aggression, and there are examples in principle that are on the ground today and in those examples, there are also some problems that we can correct in the future, for example , the state youth housing fund has been operating for more than 20

years, and this fund has various programs, and these various programs are filled with different budgets from different levels, including the city of the budget annually there for young families, for people under the age of 35, there is a loan and 30 years of annual support. yes, these are not large -scale programs, but they work there every year 20-30 apartments from filling the city budget , young families receive funds but there there are problems and this same problem constantly arises. and this same nuance is what makes up the mediated cost, that is, the difference between the real market price of a square meter on the developer's market and the value that the government assigns annually, that is, as of today, the mediated cost is approved by the ministry of regions there is uah 20,000,200 per square meter, that is, half of the morning price is worth. well , it may not be half. well, there is 50. well,

40%. so on, but constantly this compensation must be paid by the resident who wants to get this loan and use this program himself, and that's because we hear that there will be certificates, and for the certificates , there will also be a compensation fee, the suburban councils should be determined, but who will determine this cost and that it really in fact, it really covered this problem, and not unfortunately. well, except here this whole thing is also conventionally speaking developers, that is, people who invest their money in order to develop this or that segment of their business, yes, it is logical, and here they are offered to receive certificates under this program. what do you think will be the reaction? well , because the certificate is not money , perhaps it would be worthwhile to directly implement some mechanism, i don't know, for compensation or redemption of these and that square meters with the help of financial injections of specific ones

well, i think that this is the only way in principle with how the market can work and this program can be successful. this is a direct financial payment that will ultimately go to the developer, because developers also have a problem with liquidity. today , the sales market often sleeps, and so on, that is, but here we have an example of this fund. i also wanted to add what, for example they also have a grant program with the german government, where a loan is issued , the german government replenishes this fund, they also have an indirect cost. well, it is approved by our cabinet, but they clearly understand that they have a correction factor, which is 1.7 to the intermediate price, and those people who use this program go to the market without problems, choose this or that housing and can realize it. the question of the primary

housing stock is that we understand that the builders , their quality and the level of their integrity in our country, this is also a question, well, it depends from the regions, but it is sensitive in terms of flow to, in your opinion, these certificates in general and does the system proposed now take into account the possible corruption of the corruption in what part do you have we have an honest developer who will get to build accordingly, they built up the south of turkey and after it shook, well, i will largely turn to the topic of cost, because when well , you have a certain price, the price for which you can buy a good, a conscientious developer will not sell at that price, will not sell, well, because the market 35 real is mediated by the cabinet

21 well, that is, you will not be able to go and use these funds, but you can go to those who are ready to receive these funds, but only those developers who need the funds today will be ready to receive these funds, and they do not think how they will finish this project, how they will implement it, how they will leave the facility in two years, and the prices for materials during two years will change, the inflation index, labor force, and so on, that is, after selling the house today, the developer must understand that he will complete it in two years at completely different prices and when this cost is just not is marketable, we will have a risk that may arise. these are the developers who will not be dishonest, let's say, and to whom it will be important to receive these funds . well, what about the implementation of this project? well, that will be another question, but i, on the other hand, would like come forward now it's no wonder that we understand that the price is not too high

, but that the price is not too high , but that the price is included, we understand the plot, etc. and so on, the location, the attractiveness, the number of floors, and so on. is not rubber, that is, until all these programs from the imf and so on start working, until the money reaches such powerful infrastructure projects, so people will suffer, i would like everything to be as fast as possible well, for example, there is no i know uah 21,000 per square meter, it may not be exorbitant, but it may just help our developer to build such housing . what would it be? well, i don’t know. there, the average middle class may be a little lower, but people would already, well, having a box, so to speak, having a door, i don’t know. and something else is already inside, someone could say to themselves, so to speak, to plaster this or that floor in addition, and so on. well, we understand that people suffer because they have to take a place to live or wander somewhere. i don’t

know in certain hospitable corners, but this all the same, it is a huge psychological trauma, but here it is possible that it would make a certain revolution in the housing market. one thing is somewhere in the area of ​​bessarabka, i don’t know . some high-rise buildings have been built there, and the other thing is somewhere in the area, i don’t know, 10 km from kyiv. well, maybe and yes, but then there is no need for a miracle if some developer works on the market, buys land on the market, installs networks at market prices, and everything and all of this is implemented, well, he won’t be able to there of course , it is possible that the profitability can be reduced, it is possible building, it is possible to make more or less standardized projects there, er, it is possible to implement them faster, which will be comfortable, but then you need some help from the local and authorities in allocating land for such and such projects for such and such implementation, help with the introduction of engineering networks to this, well, you need a place that is

overturned well to some extent then it will spill over to the local budget and to whom also, well, not just who also today often performs atypical functions for him well , actually, about local self-government and budgets that can be accumulated locally for you have already noticed that one way or another everything will be included in the program adopted at the highest central level of our state, but in your opinion, is the level of development sufficient as of now in this case decentralization, we understand that this is such a continuous process, this is not a story about what was launched in the 16th year and it somehow goes there no , it is actually a living organism, a mechanism that must develop and it is clear that the war is unlikely to contribute to this development, nevertheless

is it really enough now, are they not pinching where they can pinch so that local budgets and local self-government are realistically included in these important initiatives? well, with decentralization. i.e. the main income for e-e that forms the budget and the place is personal income tax - this is a tax on the income of individuals , a salary tax, or is it meant that it is more than 65%, in general, of the income of local budgets councils, incomes from individuals, entrepreneurs and so on, but this is the main income , and so we heard that it is no secret that in every city there are registered brigades of our military personnel who receive large salaries and pay rather large incomes from these local salaries to the budget and there were permanent initiatives let's take personal income tax from military personnel, the central budget, and let's reduce the level of personal income tax that

remains in the localities, that is, let it be . it was at the forum of local self-government in the fall, we discussed it even in lviv. there was this forum and this thesis was sounded and there were many mayors from different cities and who were shouting about it, they talked about it, they don’t do it because the budget is difficult, the load is quite large , functions, atypical allocation of funds for the military well, in lviv aa this year , uah 500 million has been laid for the program of national resistance, that is, the city finances those requests according to that possible well, those are possible according to such opportunities that exist, but today it finances, that is, to take away, well, to press. that is , with the authority to take from the top or with taxes. well, of course, this is negative in principle, this chairman of the association of cities of ukraine will greatly influence the development of the local bodies

of this council . glory to ukraine, oksano, nazarii berbeka, a public figure, a member of the lviv city council, is in our studio . i would like to ask you, dear ms. oksana, not about urban planning . we are talking about possible donor funds, in particular, about the restoration of our cities and about compensation to our citizens who received or destroyed housing or mutilated and so on. glory to the heroes. good day to all. in fact, thank you for raising the issue of the form and form of local self-government, because in fact today at the forum they talked about the fact that in order to rebuild ukraine, we need to rebuild communities. a number of documents in order to receive money and today the state strategy does not meet

the requirements contained in the program documents and the funding procedure approved by the government does not correspond to the documents laid down in strategies and even the money that is currently in the budget for the reconstruction of the community cannot be received for specific projects because there is no uniform procedure in the state so that it is possible to actually submit and receive funds for compensation for destroyed property. this is the first part, then they talked about what we have today there are several state registers that need to be filled out in order to receive the right to compensation for a-a housing in the future that people lost in the territories that were or are in combat zones , and this issue is also excluded from the documents at the central level, which need to be brought to some kind of parameter, and so that local self-government bodies can

really do the work that they do today four times, and of course they talked about the fact that a lot of work will be done on strategic planning, because not all of them are destroyed objects will be restored , not all of them will be needed, because the reconstruction of ukraine must already take place at a different technological level, already with innovative things. began the story of ms. oksana, how to make sure that the promised big funds for reconstruction really come, that there are mechanisms to competently, honestly and transparently use these funds in order to make people's lives easier, because housing is a human destiny, whether we like it or not, and it is not a question of pathos

this is a question of specific mechanisms at one time, a lot of people promised us a lot of things, they came to buchachi in irpin, they said we will rebuild , in your opinion, what fuses should be removed and how should we intensify the receiving those funds, in fact, if you look at all the statements of our partners , no one promises anything much , we want a lot, they admit that we will need a lot . - first of all, there needs to be transparent procedures for the creation of projects, this is what i just talked about before , secondly, we need to show what major programmatic reconstruction plans there will be, this is not yet

because there is no first point, and thirdly, in in no case will we receive 100% 100% of the funds that we plan to receive only from international donors. we must create conditions in ukraine under which business will work and will develop and create jobs because even if we build o but not create places for work near housing for the children for the people who will live there, then this housing will not be interesting for anyone because it is necessary not only to live, but also to have the opportunity to work and rest and study. therefore, this is a very large comprehensive plan, but no one does anything for us will do, so today at the forum they talked about the fact that we should create conditions for e-business to come and ukrainian business e-e, small, medium, large to create jobs, understood that every community should be interesting and today there were many examples at the forum , such as vinnytsia, for example,

bila tserkva bucha, where new jobs are created, where , in order for business to come, it creates whole sites where you can go, it is easy to connect in order to start production, it is not necessary to go through regional energy oblgaz to start a new business today, cities are working on this, and today communities are competing for the business they need today. oksana prodan, the head of the association of cities of ukraine is consulting with us in the studio. oksana is very correct about the principles of reconstruction because it is not always necessary to actually restore the same object in the same place and the speed of reconstruction . although it is very important residential, but it should also be of high quality, and that is why it is absolutely impossible to launch identical typical projects, make some separate enclaves, blocks away from the entire infrastructure, and quickly build

and distribute these apartments there, because if we do this, in the future we will again have a problem with these blocks, that is, this the structure of the building must be integrated , competent in the local environment, it must have all the services and functions needed for life today, and only then in this life will people return, of course, and want to live there to live because today cities compete. well, in which cities were the most affected, people went abroad. they compete not only with lviv , with ukrainian cities, but often with cities abroad, and we need to think about how to deal with their education, with their medicine, with their infrastructure, roads, etc. further, and in what way and what can we give better or the same so that they want to return to us and this also falls into the theme of this entire reconstruction, well actually we are now talking about important things about the vision about how we would like

that there would be a way to push back from this crisis and turn it into a development perspective . and i return to the topic of corruption risks . here's one more point. i'm not defined. people with destroyed housing submit applications. and who will decide what the exact amount of compensation is. i'm talking about commissions. a factor that may be involved and how we can avoid really dishonesty, the head of the association of cities of ukraine. cities of ukraine put this question to the authors of the bill that was considered in the verkhovna rada and adopted regarding compensation for the cost of destroyed housing, and today's law says that in fact, residents, people who have lost their housing, have the right to submit an

application for reimbursement of the cost of housing anywhere in to any community of ukraine procedures what should the cost of this housing be and is it possible to ask from lviv in kyiv or from mariupol to apply in lviv there is no such rule for him there is a rule in the law about what people they receive certificates and then within 5 years they can use those certificates and again this is a question of the general definition of the framework rules which today , unfortunately, and the law that we voted in principle and about and predicted does not have direct effect under it, it is necessary to re-enact it a set of by-laws that must be adopted by the government. today, unfortunately, the government does not give us concrete, transparent rules that would accurately tell ukrainians and international partners what to look for. our transparent procedure does not exist today. but we are sure that this should be the case and

i would like to return to this question again and pay attention to the fact that we have four types of territories in ukraine today , we should always remember this too and there are different theories about how should recovery take place there or in another city, depending on where the hostilities are, where you are in the region, it is important to talk about the fact that in absolutely all the territories of ukraine and those that were under occupation and those that will not be equal opportunities should be created everywhere by purchasing for all citizens, it should be a task that should be number one for the state because it is impossible, it is not possible to create special regimes, and in one or another region of ukraine, we must remember that we have a soborna. yes, ms. oksana e-

they emphasized one very important aspect . i would like to ask another question. maybe we have just a couple of minutes left about the fiscal aspect. maybe we should somehow adjust our tax legislation and so on in order to stimulate all these processes. so that the developers feel that yes, it will be beneficial for us, so we understand - we understand that we have tax legislation in this regard, or will it lag behind this draft law a little bit? it's hard to say, but it's again a tax reduction. well, i don't think it's possible. i don't think it 's right. i think we need to look for more transparent mechanisms for determining these compensations in an open way so that it

was transparent about the amount of this compensation and uh well, it is possible that it is possible to finance. maybe these funds and grant funds and fractions, in principle , the funds for restoration should have gone not only through the central authorities, but should also have gone through city budgets , as well as through public organizations so that on on many levels, this very financing for recovery took place. maybe then in this way it would be more transparent and understandable today oksana, just one minute, maybe you have some idea what should we do with our fiscal legislation in in this aspect, the miracle of the cost of housing, the first part 56-55, while it is not approved by the president, gives developers the opportunity to do nothing at all, pay nothing, build what they want, that's why we are waiting for the president's vegeta and preparing a new urban planning code regarding taxes , in march of last year from the report the tax on real estate and land of everyone in the list of which the government has not yet approved, and today we have a situation where, on the one hand, businesses

, even in destroyed communities, are exempted, but are obliged to pay and businesses that work is obliged to pay but may not pay, therefore there must be changes to the tax legislation , and we from the association of cities are ready to participate in their preparation. analysis is an extremely important topic but ether but espresso of course it continues and further for your attention draft