[000:00:00;00] 5 years and then every businessman tells the government that i understood it for 5 years, then i recruit for 5 years the staff of people is 5.10, especially when it is countries like the czech republic and austria. as i understand it, america is a huge power, they are. well, let's go work and days. well, i we will compensate you with money in our pocket full of money like how i compensate some businessman whom i am instructing to do today and tomorrow i already say that the ukrainians have won there is no need for anything and then they say that listen or quickly then we will not build up all these capacities or let's go already then we will tell ourselves that this is not for a year, but for five, and then we must act accordingly, as these are two different wars, a five-year war, a one-year war, that's why

they are just thinking, and listen. and what will we do if the whole of europe works for the ukrainian army, and tomorrow the ukrainian the army will come to yalta and say that we have already won the yellow-blue flag in our country, not only in sevastopol and in yalta, so they are hinting a little bit. so, guys, you tell us. you have the strength for us here, so that we understand and this well, you know, war is nobody's business i don't know what will happen tomorrow. i finished everything, i promised to be short, because especially the third one there, they are still very relevant now, that is, there is rap from their side and rap from our side. i will say more that ours . a lot of people do something like this because they had it, in fact, they are such a cheap story . even though it was used twice, but it was 2,000 €, and one has to be returned. if the plane has flown 10 times, then it has actually flown a lot, that is, everything

intelligence mainly well, but our kulibs are not in in the good sense of the holy word, they do a lot of things, those who fly, take off, we have different names, and i am talking about the ones that the guys do with their movements, not the ones that have already been proven, storks, eagles, here we have a lot of stories, there are serious stations that cost a lot the money is there with channels protected by military communications that fly much longer, more and shocks, i am their fake kamikaze, this is already a blade site, it is completely different, but guys , what exactly is the story that this is a battle of volunteers, too, in the sense that half of the spare parts, if not most of them are chinese , that is, practice.

well, of course, it’s simple at times, and if i still wanted even a retort, mr. mykolay and mr. petrovska that we are, of course, the chinese army is big, that’s true . just as we once thought that the second army in the world of muscovites is a huge army, but i previously, when we spoke with you on your broadcast, we are taking south korea, the south korean army is so robotic that it is technologically superior to the chinese one, you can even imagine if someone is interested, inquire and you will see how high-tech the army is today in south korea and at the same time in china so that you knew all the big businesses, all the big build and so on so that they are a business south korea is not chinese and not everything is as simple as it seems everyone is afraid of a big army china because it is so big there are many of them i will just say that you are from poland, having worked for many years, and now south korea together with poland started production of what was needed for our artillery before that , what was needed was only in jordan and

south korea, today poland understands the super perspective, which, unfortunately, is not not for a short period of time, but with prospects defense will be and the arms race is such that the requests are all that will be given to us now, such as has been, it will be necessary to replenish reserves in our countries for defense , and this will work and poland is our neighbor here which quickly got oriented in this and it is very important that it actually happens very quickly, and as for what they do in our country, they do a lot, i know that the ministry of defense already has such a simplified system for purchasing our ukrainian, and the first was dmytro shimkiv, who already registered and patented that is, it is a system where we have to learn quickly, our economy is when they say wartime economy, it is a little different because when there was a war between the united states and vietnam, it was said there pay more taxes and the whole population will just be more taxes. if we talk about ukraine, then every volunteer is looking for opportunities to help and in his own way to give his salary to invent, that is, scientists, i

will tell you in one night, sometimes radio e for radio intelligence was reprogrammed , reflashed e-e special communication systems. that is, it is. sometimes it was like that, well, i remember at the beginning of the war, well, at night, several professors of the lviv polytechnic did what they had to do very quickly, moreover, not to tell anyone about these codes, only with by a few people there who were actually there to restrain some part of that operation, that is, in fact , this self-organization. perhaps this is the case when we talk about the forces of ukraine . this is when a democratic state is when people know what freedom is. and defend yourself to work and do and find this resource in another way - it is absolutely impossible and today, well, absolutely, let's say the change is. look, yesterday the swedes made a statement that they changed their law, they are not non-aligned, they are joining nato, and today the question is for hungary, what do you want there, what do you not like there, why are you slowing down something here , events are developing so quickly now, and we always talk about

speeding up the victory, but unfortunately , speeding up means accumulating everyone together , and it is rightly mentioned here the united states, their messages are coming out today and we see that they understand that the victory of ukraine is also their victory. well, because after afghanistan , after some other things happened in the world to restrain and become a country there a super country a super state they should help ukraine today because here on the battlefield the ukrainian army is fighting for the democratic institutions of all the countries of europe and the world, including in this system itself, we should always pragmatically seek that national interest because each country will look for its own national interest. from the point of view of what will be beneficial for them, let's say yes to the reconstruction of the country or something else like that, that is, when we say that uh, our system of interaction sometimes helps us countries that sometimes give theirs when the liberator comes there again the delegation or the mayor of vilnius or merlyublin well, he signs with kyiv, and we see this, we are happy that today at the end kyiv joined there together

and the mayors of the metropolis even that is, we can understand that his local self-government seems to be somehow it just won't work globally , but here everyone understands everyone has to do their own thing and i will tell you frankly that sometimes you think like that well, it seems that we have powers , there are some separate functions that must be performed by this or that leader yes, but in fact not everyone is aware if he has any his capabilities his level of connections and those people he has to use them everyone and all people in ukraine have to work eh ukrainians have to understand that coordination and strengthening of interaction should happen through each through these names i.e. i am apple well i will tell you frankly eh 5 million was given by taiwan when 200,000 yes to china so i will tell you how it happened hanna gubko, the head of the organization of the network of western social interests aans says you know you need gloves i say i have them signed by vitaliy and volodya the nickname-gloves

i say i have already returned there i'm waiting for the president knyazhytsky goes, lucky gloves after there was such a million to kyiv, a million returns again to kyiv, that is, already two million, one more million to kharkiv, one more million to mykolaiv, one more million to kherson . that is, we get a support system when we at least somehow uh let's say it like this. thank you, ukrainians must get rid of their slave traits , they don't thank us, we must thank the next generations, several to each soldier who today gives his life, because in fact it is at a very high price, yes, and the world understands this as well he should thank the ukrainians today that ukrainians are standing and sacrificing to stand in defense of the world's democracy . well, that's nothing. she reminded me that poland is really being looked at now. the poles are now completely updating their armed forces. well, you have the equipment for that , and south korea itself is not german , it's not european. and south korea has a lot of factors, i wouldn’t like to talk a lot now on the open air, but

our neighbors are really very wise. outdated but we need it today because we have something to cover our guys to fight and they are completely updating the army and the actual south korean production is what i said at a high at a high level of technology. about behavior , of course, of course, another interesting thing is that we have a discussion in the studio between the guests and a conversation about what is happening in our country . ihor is definitely competent in the stories we want to talk about. it is clear that we need to talk in detail about the counteroffensive that our current general staff is preparing. we cannot and should not broadcast live, but certain things and those statements that appear from our high-ranking military officials can at least be

analyzed let's look at the statement of the commander of the ground forces of the ukrainian armed forces, oleksandr syrskyi, what he said about the main forces of the russian federation in this direction. having in mind precisely the bakhmut direction, there are representatives of the wagner pvk, without regretting anything, they lose significant forces and are expiring very soon, we will take advantage of this opportunity, as at one time they did it near kyiv, kharkiv, with talk and kupyansk, we are waiting for them to finally exhale, let's quote serhiy cherevato, spokesman for the eastern grouping of the armed forces of the armed forces, because it is all in a complex, it is one with the other it is related that now they are essentially tactically unable to complete the operation to seize the ukrainian district center of bakhmut, since there are very active battles there, they still continue to carry out dozens of attacks due to inertia but they are suffering huge losses, mr. igor, please tell us what can happen in bakhmut, that is, can it happen that

the russian military will withdraw from there, ours will push them back, how do you see it? you see, there are, as you know, very intense battles, fierce battles, and by the way, despite the enemy is still slowly advancing from the north and from the south, from the north, it is there in the area of ​​the industrial zone in the north-eastern direction. although the fate of the road is chrome. we managed to carry out attacks and push them back from the south. adults who come with konstantinovki through sivanske is directly also already in the very place and in general, this mouth from the bottle there is

a distance of only 4 km, that is, despite the fact that at the present time we are given a counter to these roads of the life of logistical supply, this is a very small distance and they have the opportunity to apply -th impacts of the so-called and who has seen the video on that road that has been going since the time of yar mim matchmaker so we have the northern road of ours there, it is quite difficult there, our equipment is broken, as in these difficult conditions, it still provides maintenance places, in addition, from the eastern direction to the line of defense along the bakhmutka river, which

they are trying to cross with sabotage groups and are also pressing in these conditions. in fact, effective defensive actions will be when the two roads are kept and provide the necessary supplies to our defenders. a week ago what's more, when the relevant reserves were brought up, which provided ours , which provided the opportunity to continue this struggle. well, not with the simple supreme command, as recently as yesterday, i was working there in this direction because, on this occasion, they passed several times meetings of the supreme command where they discussed and made the appropriate decision to continue the maintenance of this fortress city and in our defense lines in this direction

in order to objectively see the military and political officials in terms of what is happening there and how to make decisions i have personally seen what it is like there and i am talking in the studio with the military people who are performing tasks there, one more question, but in the context of today, this information appeared , what kind of media is it? they picked up on the possible liberation of novaya kakhovka, what the general staff wrote about. then, well, it’s understandable, it’s emotional. that’s how we always wait for information about the liberation of ukrainian cities. in literally an hour and a half, the general staff denied the information about the departure of all the people. troops of the occupiers from novaya kakhovka but nevertheless, i would like to ask you what you know about the southern direction. maybe there are some processes taking place there that force

skazhem to be cautiously optimistic about the counteroffensive, including in novaya kakhovka. in general, how important is that section of the front where nova kakhovka is located, er, definitely this direction, which has relevant prospects for liberation er, so this er is a part of the er kherson region, which er is located on the left bank and has prospects for actions, although you can implement them from your point of view, for example, if it has been discussed repeatedly by military specialists , for example, to carry out appropriate actions from the zaporizhia direction, well, for this , you need the appropriate forces. by the way, in

zaporizhzhia, there is a uh active reconnaissance of each side and active artillery strikes, so if you strike accordingly, you can break the enemy's defenses and force them to withdraw from the left part of the kherson region, as was the case on the right coast. we had it in the north of the luhansk region and in the zaporizhzhia region in this direction to carry out an attack in the direction of berdyansk melitopol . so they remained because the enemy gathered these reserves and at the end of january began the offensive in the east which is now taking place in five

directions which have been proven by the general staff and which are followed by the corresponding combat operations and we must first complete the task of defensive strategic operations to stop this advance destroyed the manpower of the enemy's equipment is essentially forced to go on the defensive and at this time to use it to form a strategic reserve level, according to western experts, it should be somewhere at least three corps 20,000 of the appropriate equipment for which the crews will be prepared and, most likely, according to those open statements that we know of, it can be there from april and later, that is, eh, and in addition to all this, the fact that

the enemy somewhere has 150 eh, 200 000 of those mobilized out of half a million that they have already mobilized, 350,000 were brought to the front, and there are still those who did not have enough strength , they have to train them, but you can teach them weapons , but they are also engaged in this process and, on their part , save the relevant reserves, that is, here the question is so how much higher will prepare these reserves and how effectively they will be used, we hope that it will be better with us and we will be more effective and begin to liberate our occupied territory thank you ihor romanenko, retired general , deputy chief of the general staff of the armed forces of ukraine in 2006-10, as always , with a professional analysis of what is happening on the front somewhere, we are already entering

the final part of our today's broadcast, summing up in general what we discussed today and this week, traditionally, on thursday, we sum up the questions for you you brought up an interesting thesis today about drones, and you really need to think about it, at least talk about it and understand what it is. in general, if we talk about the situation on the fronts , i am interested in all ukrainians, not only ukrainians, but the whole world is interested in europe, when will this full-scale offensive begin? i understand his prospects that you , as a military serviceman, will not reveal any secrets. but nevertheless, i have always said, say and will say the word counteroffensive at the moment is harmful to ukrainian society because ukrainian society is very it's just that everyone is talking counteroffensive counteroffensive i think that

counteroffensive will be the solution to this problem and you can relax and after the war you can forget about it and leave so uh i want to remind you that when the second world war began and the prime minister of great britain meston churchill addressed the nation he i told you, i promise you nothing except blood, sweat, tears and hard work, all hard work, the ukrainian people must understand that it is necessary to work hard, and if the ukrainian people do not want to accumulate and will relax, then no allies, partners, starting from poland and ending with the united states, will not help in any way. no counteroffensive will not make it possible to win this war at all. and by the way , it will last a long time . this must be understood. the ukrainian people must understand. we must understand what is needed. before this war , what is going on, do not put your hopes on

a counteroffensive. as a panacea for all problems , you don't need to relax, and i literally. as hard as bakhmuti and it is obvious that soon it will be even worse this time and again subconsciously that the war is over because cases are already starting , well, these are unfortunate things, cases are starting when the volume of volunteer aid is already decreasing , i will not even name a fairly powerful organization in principle, they are already

starting to refuse help from small things, but they are already beginning to refuse, because you understand, because the society presented a counteroffensive as a panacea, well , there will be no need for a counteroffensive there, american tanks will come and that 's it. understand and i want to point out that it is necessary to replenish the ukrainian army with personnel , uh, these reserves that were discussed, they themselves will not appear in the same place, you know 500,000 mobilized russians is just a dream for ukraine. if we could mobilize 300,000. this is really a dream for us. we are not such a big nation in terms of population to be able to afford such a big army

and restore reserves, that is, we must work for this, people must understand, they must not relax, and they must tell themselves that victory in this war is primarily in their hands and in their work, and all the rest of the contrast asked they will but the ukrainians first of all, you should put a lot of important words into it. i thought so, not to be fascinated by the counteroffensive, so that later they will not be disappointed, even after it is successful , it will take place. allied troops in europe, before the landing in normandy he wrote a note in case the landing failed, this note was lying in his cauldron , so what is he? well, he calculated that there might be an option that something would not work out.

it turned out. we saw the largest amphibious operation, which gave a big, hmm, a big push to victory, which contradicts putin's claims that it was only the soviet union, but he was ready for this, and we also have to understand that if something goes wrong , that is, we have to prepare, we have to be ready and support the ukrainian army and be the most ready to join it oleg mykhailovych on the screen, look at what you and i agree with . we should not relax. and indeed, the whole country should understand that the war is going on and not only in the rear. everyone the relaxed walk as if he doesn't have one . and over there. the closer to the front, people are really suffering there. the second question here is that i agree with you. i need to listen to our uh, our hetman, let’s say the industrious one, he said that i don’t need 100-200 thousand today, i need specialists today to make up, let’s say, the losses that

we have at the front, of course, and we need a reserve , without a doubt, replacement times. this is what i need. i hope that our military, i believe in our military, that whatever they need, they will definitely go to serve, everyone who is called up, there is no such thing as everyone who goes, they will be needed , they will be at the front, but our brothers today are 500 there or 300,000, i don’t think so, god i'm sorry, they're being recruited. and we've heard, we've heard experts from our military that there's no ammunition, they can't provide them with clothes , food, or those automatic weapons. well, they 're being recruited for what for meat ? so many of you were ready that we need three corps of 20,000 60. well, there are also those around us, well, that is what is needed. oleg synyutka , people's deputy of ukraine for european solidarity, is with us, we congratulate you. glory to ukraine, oleg, we want to make it before the end of teru

on espresso because there is limited time to talk about the personnel changes that took place this week in the government , the verkhovna rada voted for it, it is important because the processes in the state are still happening in our country , we have hopes that we place in certain industries and it is clear that a lot depends on the ministers whose ministries have been replaced. please summarize for us the changes that have taken place in the ministry of education of ukraine. after all, there will definitely be a question of a counterattack. and today , the ukrainian soldier is motivated by western aid comes in the amounts agreed between ukraine and our western partners, and i will certainly not

be original when i say that i am 100% i also trust the commander-in-chief of the armed forces, mr. zaluzhny, and most importantly, the ukrainian soldier, the armed forces, and i am convinced that this counteroffensive will be successful. i was in chernihiv today, in sumy, poltava, and probably for the people of lviv. it will be very important to hear this, although i understand that the audience of great lviv is it is far from the audience of galicia and even in the audience of ukraine, but you know this is the belief in victory that ordinary ordinary ukrainians have who have survived the encirclement in chernihiv, who have survived the encirclement in sumy, who have experienced all the horror of the occupation and the battles in trostyanka and okhtyrka, this causes so much respect and pride for ukrainians for our nation, and there is no doubt that there will be de-occupation and there will be

our victory . of course, this is such bitterness. they did what depended on the people's deputies , but an unprecedented amount of 518 billion for defense needs. i am convinced that today the government is obliged to give everything that belongs to the military, we will definitely not back down from this position, you know, i was surprised today this is another message that came from the head of the committee from the hearing of the people, ms. galina tretyakova, let's take away the lifetime benefits under the ubd , let's turn them into two annual three-year payments . in general, we never returned to the situation when we demoralized the ukrainian military

. but despite this, the victory will definitely be ours. as for personnel appointments, you know it is very important that the government came to the profession people because well, they say that the minister of education is a tarnished personality. i don't want to analyze the positives into negatives, but he did not have the trust of society, and a person who does not have the trust of society definitely does not have the opportunity to carry out reforms. oksana lisovoy voted more than constitutionally . by the way, as it is for oleksandr kamyshin as well as for mykhailo fedorov , who today received the authority of the deputy prime minister, you know, and these were great words of praise for the introduction of action into the ukrainian reality, the only thing that is popular mps and here i hear it among many ordinary people today they are afraid that the authorities

will not be tempted to hold elections in action because this story about a single computer and a single server is very dangerous, not even from the point of view of falsification, from the point of view of voters' trust to the results, there were findings, and this is very, very important today, but in the end, whoever is talking about the elections today is a pest for ukraine, because today the question is not an election today, it is not a question of political discussion, today the ukrainians have one question this is a matter of victory. and the key to this victory is, firstly, our unity, secondly, it is our armed forces, and thirdly, it is the support of our westerners. congratulations on bbc news ukraine , olga palamaryuk works in the studio in london, and we have half an hour to tell you the main