[000:00:00;00] absolutely sure, i would like to have hope, and because there is enough power now, the units are prepared and on western equipment, the fact that it will not always be enough for us, that is clear , but the west, believe me, gives the maximum possible 20 or 30 years of good neighborliness and they all the military expenses led to this, they were used for social needs and they simply do not have enough weapons for us now. also conducts with the help of all kinds of social networks. and now i will turn to those of our viewers who , uh, sometimes buy into some such groups on facebook in social networks that have rather

patriotic names, for example, ukraine will win my motherland - ukraine or glory to ukraine or we ukrainians we are strong and there, as a rule , information is distributed on those pages, for example, that a certain military man died and it is necessary to honor his memory, not necessarily that the information about the person who died and the photos correspond to each other, or that there is some kind of information about how ukraine is winning some successes there on the front and in fact all these groups in fe they have a huge traffic a huge number of e-e collect reactions and data analyst of the civil network support robert loryan is one of those people from those people who conducted research and actually

i found where the legs of all these groups are growing, which abuse the feelings of ukrainians, abuse sympathy, empathy, joy , sadness, or sorrow. with robert loryan , we are already joining him in our conversation. mr. robert good morning, please tell me a little about these groups, why why these groups are dangerous, there are a lot of people, i myself sometimes see how people spread there, let's say there is a group there, some soldier has died , there will definitely be some such signature terribly tear-jerking, so to speak well, in the end, your investigation also has these uh-uh still-frames. and you made a prince of screens from these groups, and there is, for example, lord , these are our children, we thank you for everything, our boy or legendary cyborg, callsign dome

, national hero of ukraine, uh-uh, more 200 convoys such clickable headlines they have something to be wary of that's right it is precisely such groups with such and such posts that should be kept from such groups that do not directly give all the information in their post but publish links on the website but in the facebook post itself only publish some clickable headlines how you have already voiced it beforehand, and that is, they are luring users to go to the corresponding website, and there the users have already been prepared, you can say so, because on this site there is simply incredible the number of advertisements of various contents that are already further luring users, there are various phishing projects , well, the same new sites also try to sell users various medicinal, dubious , rather dubious medicinal products or household goods, and always at some very

cheap price, and this is all, of course, not such a store how are there uh, big marquises, they are all some scammers who just uh, let's say , sell unlicensed or licensed medicinal products, and we also noticed that in particular these websites will lead us to one of financial, such fraudulent words must be schemes eh behind which the russians stand because they eh, after we register there on their website, they call us , promise us crazy profits, crazy investments, period, but instead they ask that we be instructed through software, this is software that allows you to access your personal computer to your phone from anywhere in the world, and after receiving this access , well, that is, they can do anything on your phone, including logging in for example, on your mobile banking and just hmm, in seconds, just remove all the code from there, so we directly invite our

users if you see, well, viewers, if you see on facebook or other social networks quite provocative headlines that make you feel some emotions in you that lead to obscure website in no way go to and do not spread such posts forward and also do not install any there software who will advise you to get some easy money very often that there are messages in such pages about the fact that, for example, some famous actor or some singer died, uh, and then the examples that were just shown there by the legendary dome , he was already recorded there in the dead, well, he is extremely alive and may god give him a long bread of health, but i understand that people who see such information. these are not the people who will rush to google to check this information, and not from one side, that is, the majority will want

to find out about this hot news , the details of such hot news, and will directly go to the site, because in the very the post does not reveal any details at all, the other part of the users there check all the information but again , after they check, they will see that this information is false, well, there is always such a characteristic feature of people's psychology they like to deny comments to this post and will deny saying in the comments that this is not true and thereby raising the popularity and real values, and this is one of the problems we see because these groups acquire simply an insane number of likes and comments reposts, i don’t know the various emoticons that are allowed by the facebook social network, and thus they simply get into the stream of ukrainian facebook every day, if you even compare the largest ukrainian facebook page of the charity fund come back alive , which has more than 3 million subscribers, then its reach in

ukraine , the coverage of these pages is ten times less than there directly, directly, emotional incitement, let's say the situation in ukraine, because there are even such special groups that specialize in publishing various obituaries about the deaths of our soldiers, and of course, if we go through the tape and see 25 such information , or first we see information about the death, then we see information about another shipment of cotton to russia, then again about the death, well, that is, creating such emotional swings that undoubtedly negatively affect the health of specific users there and in general, let's say yes to the psychological health of ukrainian society and thus of course it is possible to conduct various psychological informational and psychological operations in order to manipulate society in this way and not only

there after, for example, some page will publish information about cotton and ukrainian users will visit it to spread the number of subscribers will increase that one day she will publish some blatant disinformation there, which from the territory of ukrainians will be believed by everyone, well, that is, what will be cause some kind of damage to the district. but i have also come across such pages that i forget what they are called, but they wander there from time to time, for example, i have , for some reason, in my facebook feed with questions, for example, i am pregnant, what should i do the child is not from my husband or my son. he is 16 years old. he fell in love with two girls. tell him what to say, or it would seem like that. stupid questions and it is probably also aimed at people

reacting and commenting. i see that even quite a large number of my friends that are journalists and who know how to work with information. they still connect and start commenting, but i understand that this is something like collecting the number of comments, likes again, and in order to increase your audience so that later , because, well, such questions would seem to know well, we were talking, sir , we focused on one network that directly publishes information, that is , disinformation about the death of someone somewhere, some misinformation about an event in ukraine or there about constantly informs ukrainian defenders about the tornado, but there are other networks that are there maybe administered by the ukrainians themselves who don’t want so already uh let’s say so publish the name openly somewhere for information then the driver they publish various recipes and i don’t know some crazy salad recipe you should try something like this, but

again, not very often, the information itself is not disclosed in the post, and the purpose of this is , accordingly, for you to go to some certain website and so on. thus there the admin of these facebook pages the admins of these websites get tra monetize tipa and earn thus good money on your here are the curiosities i still know i will promote my favorite idea fix is ​​that we still need to switch to the latin alphabet sooner or later yes because it would immediately cut off a huge amount of harmful content. i will tell you about my personal experience. i am a person who from time to time tries to block all the channels that are broadcast in russian from russia and so on and so on. so something like that now, while i was talking, i just went to youtube in shorts with my settings personal to me because of the fifth, the fifth video has already thrown up some advertisement for putin, and in english it is already adapting even to my settings, it is

still looking for find and so on but i can imagine what happens to people who do not have these settings, who do not ban the cyrillic alphabet and so on and so on. i think that this crap just flies in tons, how much does it actually work and how is it possible in principle to do this struggle is on such a global level well, latin is not suitable for everyone well, in principle, what should be done so that people do not clog it all because well, they work with it like this first , i will comment for a child, let's say this is typical for such pages of all sorts of scum that publish links to different boxets , it's just that they quite often replace ukrainian letters or numbers with latin counterparts. this is done in order to achieve a certain uniqueness of the text, so that the texts are more unique, or simply copied somewhere information from other dumps and thereby even complicate my work as a researcher because i cannot

analyze these data in an automated way, because every text is unique and there one word that has one meaning can be written there in three different ways and that is enough for you identify with regard to countermeasures, well, look, there is one big problem, it is the rhythms of the facebook social network, and the psychology of a person, after all, a person is more uh, let's say yes, after all, there is interesting, more sensational news, it's like this . i don't even know these predictions of molfar psychics, etc. what are the various simple or various theories of conspiracy theory, well, that is, a person will always be interested in learning such information, he spends more time reading such news than dry news, but it will be true news than dry news, that is why the algorithms of social networks are already configured so that as much as possible time we spend in these social networks and the more we often spend the more they show swollen and the more they

will receive money therefore accordingly algorithms most often they show misinformation than there are some true and interesting facts that should have been shown, and this is one of the main problems that need to be dealt with , that need to be communicated with these platforms , convey this problem to them and, accordingly , change and increase the transparency of the work of this alcohol, another problem - these are advertising platforms that allow such manipulative websites that manipulate our emotional health that manipulate information that publish misinformation and allow them to monetize this traffic which they receive on social networks, that is, there are advertising, as in our research, there is an advertising company mg, which essentially finances all these disinformation sites, because by providing them with customers who publish advertising agreements there. well, this is also a problem on these websites about which we published our research, advertising has already been turned off, that is, the company paid me respect, but in addition to them

, there are hundreds of other such information resources where the publication of this misinformation, etc., continues to this day. yes, ukrainian facebook is a waste of information, and we will work together, the community of the administration of digital changes and the administration of facebook to stop their activities, here are these errors, although somehow it is possible to roughly estimate how many russians there are, i don’t know botofarm, russian money, russian money , that is, how, how, how to count russian presence in the ukrainian segment, for example facebook, is it in principle amenable to some kind of calculation oh, this is probably quite a difficult question because facebook does not provide all the analytical possibilities, let’s say so, for the study of the entire performance can be studied only there, public pages can be studied, however, in my opinion, let’s say that the influence of russia on

the information space is minimal through the facebook network, because facebook along the route is all blocked by the second, there are quite a lot of restrictions on facebook regarding the administration of pages there in relation to, well, that is, from other countries in relation to the publication of advertisements that to some extent work effectively and thereby reducing this influence, er, there are some botfarms or russian information companies, however, again, facebook, as of the last sociological research conducted in principle, the mainstay occupies no small part of the media communication market in ukraine, now in the most popular sub-messenger well, not only messenger or platforms for receiving tv news, and that is where the main russian influence is now because well, that is, the creation of an incredible number of telegram channels, which are all anonymous, that is

, it is impossible to check who is the owner of this news, which are simply reposted there in a fraction of a second there and have huge appetites that is, this is the main problem of the information struggle from ukraine. we still need to find a solution to the tv program, because it means that the state authorities are there. increasing, let's say, the general ukrainian audience of telegrams, instead of this one of forest ones. this is one single platform. well, maybe you are now with youtube . to receive information from e-e russia, could or could ukraine at the legislative level ban the use of telegram in ukraine and , for example, the same officials there, at least officials because, well, there is even a useful telegram. i apologize. well, just mr. valery, do something about it

and just transfer everyone to the same well, at least whatsapp well, because this is really a huge problem i think and i have to have a telegram i have to have a telegram well, simply because there are people who are a source of information for us and they are there all that's why we journalists are also forced to follow them, the hero of my favorite tv series, derevac, because he's a puppeteer . well, i just let the kgb in here. i just don't have a way out now. because if i want to watch a video from a criminal, i go to telegram like that. that's why i said that. it is a problem that our authorities. that is, every city administration now publishes all news in telegram, that is, can we ban it at the legislative level? well, we already had such a practice when we banned it in 2015. vkontakte seems to be quite effective. the practice is really there, if in 2015 vkontakte is not the most important social network in ukraine, now its

use there has fallen to a statistical error. that is, we have rearranged, we have completely disconnected from this russian information resource and the presentation of using telegram in a certain situation is more difficult because we we cannot block, let's say, as in the case of telegram itself in the contact itself, because it works in a completely different way, it is not a website, it is an application that has many servers and we already we saw an example of how it is useful in russia, they allegedly tried to overblock telegram, but we see that telegram has its own traffic jams built into it, i think that if not at the legislative level, even ban everything, this resource will be available to our users, it is more necessary to carry out it's simple. i apologize for interrupting that civil servants should at least be obliged not to use telegram and to liquidate their telegram channels. i think that this should be a normal step. we see that in the united states

, you in europe say the same thing. literally yesterday, even in the united states, there was a hearing on tik tok and accusations that those who steal the data of our er, well, that is, not our er, american officials there, etc. well, i think that first of all, the first step should be to ban telegram for the use of our military personnel because that is, they spread the most sensitive information for us now in messengers and we still have no guarantees except there i do not know the confirmation of mine numbers and further minister fedorov that which telegram is more secure and honest word honest, we are russians pavladurova, i.e. telegrams are provided with complete security, we have no evidence that our information does not pass through, does not fall into the hands of the same kgb or ssb, we do not have it. that is why we need to directly publish sensitive information, such messengers come as signals, i don’t know. it is possible in whatsapp but many times i still missed it, of course, the second step is to talk about banning

the use of telegram by our civil servants, there is something to do for us and those who monitor information hygiene in the country to mr. robert for the investigation, robert loriana is a data analyst of the civil support network, which conducted an investigation into some groups that speculate on the emotions of ukrainians and thus increase their traffic, and then introduce ukrainians again into the net of all kinds of fraudulent schemes, or it is also used in this way to scare people among all that, there is still such information that then gets stuck in our pockets, but so far it has not been regulated somehow at the state level, people have the usual information hygiene, e.e., media education, now they should know this everyone, if there is, if you see any picture literally this week, there are two pictures that somehow made me question marks because one picture was distributed by a person and said that it was bakhmut, but in fact it turned out that

it was no non-bakhmut and me, for example, in this picture footage from the film the pianist, a feature film about where it is depicted in warsaw during the second world war, destroyed and uh, and bakhmut looks similar somewhere, but it is not bakhmut, so a little checking and that's it, and you immediately uh understand what the other one is for a picture when a person spread it in- spread the photos and folded god look at this venice - it's incredible where the cruise liner is huge, bigger than venice itself across the sea and again not much manipulation google will tell you that cruise liners are prohibited from entering venice from 2021 and this is actually not a photograph, but taken from a documentary film about the vination syndrome , about the fact that many suicides go to venice in order to commit suicide. and this is just photoshop, critical thinking

, we invite you and also invite you to be those by people who choose well those volunteers in which they really help our military and such is oresta breed, the head of the bon charity fund, who are engaged in supporting our military for not the first year . tell us to our audience what the bon charity fund is doing now. thank you for such an apt question, because starting this year , we distributed aid, a very large-scale aid to the armed forces of ukraine and aid to civilians, to two organizations, the charity fund which has existed for almost 9 years, and the public organization bon, which i founded last year, and it is to it that i transfer all activities related to the armed forces of ukraine, and the charity

fund continues to help civilian families with children who are forced to temporarily leave their homes or those who sent their husbands and fathers to the front lines to defend ukraine. these are now two fronts - military and civilian. which ones do you take care of? that's exactly how to distribute our activities. at the expense of financial grant aid, there has been a charitable foundation for the last year thanks to u icc, an organization that has existed for more than 60 years and was created by ukrainian emigrants in america e.e. they helped us a lot at the beginning of the war and now we can now claim and report to our next grantees who want to help civilians because only civilian

aid is possible through grants. unfortunately , we will help the armed forces of ukraine to italy even more until victory itself, but within the framework of the public organization bon and thanks to support of all ukrainians around the world thanks to donations, but now you see on the screen a code for support of the bon charity fund , which helps children of heroes, children of fallen heroes, children of heroes who fight on the front lines it consists in the fact that we send one-time aid, but it is quite expensive in the form of diapers and expensive food for children, and this is exactly what we can implement thanks to our

partners who support us throughout the year this is the head of the company that for a long time placed the buttons for collecting to the nationals, this is supermarket chains and just natural persons who bring help, buy or share what they buy for their children. if there is an opportunity to help support this project , i contact all ukrainians and you can find information on our social networks and contact us, we will provide more accurate information on how to help with things and food to such families who really need it. thank you ms. orest orest brid, the head of the bon bona charity fund, was with us, join us in helping orestes now takes care of not only military personnel, but also civilians with the help of charitable organizations and simply benefactors, which are you and i. thank you for staying with

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