[000:00:00;00] so, well, most of the countries have a younger democracy, they chose a not so obviously presidential form of government, somewhere mixed, somewhere simply parliamentary, somewhere maybe there is a monarchy left, but still it is a parliamentary monarchy and the policy is determined by the government appointed by the parliament, and what well, the us model was chosen mainly in the countries of the western hemisphere, but they are not considered such models of democracy except the united states. well, maybe canada, canada is a formal monarchy. by the way, countries are still considered to be courtiers. in europe, where the parliament or parliamentary monarchies rule, or in the parliamentary republics, it is also very normal to ask you to ukraine on a journalistic visit

, the russian journalist yevheniya albats recently came to ukraine and she felt quite free here. they say that various acquaintances in ukraine are kept quite often, i spent 10 days here , traveled to ukraine from the west to almost to the east, and also visited the south and the center of the country, but she talked about it in an interview of the dozhd tv channel, which positions itself as an oppositionist, but we saw that in some moments he is still very, very russian, when they quarreled a little with the presenter who said that they should help someone because the boys are poor unlucky eh i would ask you to watch a small piece of her beginning of this and the interview, and then i will say

a few more in continuation of the theses that she voiced in this interview and are the impressions that she shared after visiting ukraine. i was from the village on the train to chemyshle, this is poland, and i was going to khmelnytskyi at night - this is a request from ukraine, and in the morning, early in the morning, i got off the train in khmelnytskyi, and in the west, it’s very far away, and the people are like only this in derazne, where did you come from? my babushka is from a-a and as soon as people saw that you were filming, a man immediately approached you. in this case, there was a young woman who came up to me and said a-a in ukrainian a-a that why are you filming, i say that i journalist i have it here i have it a official credit

press card eh all documents after this a policeman drove up all the way very kindly in general even to us to say that everything is very kindly then she tells what she is wherever she is and she spoke she said sorry i only speak russian grandmother from derazhna you see her from khmelnytskyi it is amazing such a situation when russians have some kind of origin there roots are from ukraine, but none of them know the ukrainian language, because if you talk to some americans of ukrainian origin there, it is the same or the same with canadians. roman vashchuk is a descendant of ukrainians who escaped from the soviet e flocked and ended up in canada. she speaks perfectly ukrainian and with a canadian accent, but it ’s ukrainian , but alba will say that she spoke everywhere. which corner of ukraine only in one of the banks in kyiv the bank employee said that i'm sorry, i won't serve you thank you to this

bank employee, but that's not what i'm talking about a journalist from russia calmly visits ukraine mini culture and forms of politics says that he surprised how is it that she says in this piece that she has all the necessary documents , all the accreditations, we have the time of a full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine, she is a journalist for herself. here she calmly travels around different parts of ukraine, talks to people, and then she draws such conclusions, for example, that of course there is kyiv and there is a government in kyiv , but it is completely this government as such, as it seemed to me, is not felt much in ordinary life , that is, in it somehow, people say one thing and the government says another, they say that people in ukraine they have a completely different position, for example, they say that people in ukraine say that politicians will all talk about returning to the borders of 1991, but if you talk to people , they all say that it is necessary to return to the situation that existed before the war in the first place

how can we allow people like that? it was like oatmeal. someone from russia came here , too, who mentioned her ukrainian roots. then dmitriy bykov drove around here and told us how to love ukraine, and they said that he was writing a book about our volodymyr. zelenskyi, i don't know what he writes there. and when this book comes out, 394 days later, the russians quietly visit ukraine and make reports , and then they say that putin started this war , but not them. it seems to me that there should be not only formal border control over there having citizenship of the russian federation, because i don't remember that it was about this journalist, there was a scandal just recently, and it seems that she had the citizenship of another country, which she could have used to stop by this russian passport is free to enter ukraine, that is, it should be obvious that there is a certain monitoring of whether or not these citizens who are trying to enter are citizens

of the russian federation, but they simply hide it. maybe not very much, but i think that our special services can get bases there, tax bases, other bases, etc., of citizens of the russian federation, they will simply be brutalized, and well, that is, there should be more such, not informal, but more qualitative, such a... review, well, the subject of that comes to ukraine, so that's why that we understand that russian peace well, it is not only formally citizens of the russian federation, it is there. well, to a lesser extent, somewhere in the batian countries, there are somewhere in the transcaucasia and in central asia, because, well, it was all part of the soviet union, respectively , the soviet and russian upbringing and people from they are also citizens of those countries . well, formally, if they do not show a russian

passport because we have a visa regime with russia , then formally, these restrictions do not apply to them. well, it turns out as it already turns out you see how one of these journalists. thank you very much, mr. roman. roman, the main thing is that he is a lawyer and we have a lot of information here, so he contributed. i know yevgenia albas from that one, but now i read that she is working for the new times novoe vremya russian. she did a report from odessa and spoke with oleksiy . a potter with a deputy and basically something like that, well, that is, if it somehow conveys, she came and felt at home here , well, but you know, i have no problems with russians who will say something more normally about ukraine and about this war of some sort of truth if you more normal, but in principle she repeated that this war was initiated by putin and

some of his people there, but not ordinary ordinary russians. nothing to do with it, that is, if it is really for an english-language resource and it somehow undermines ukraine's position here, we need to understand this. well, but in fact, we don't have the same russians now, again, when they publish such reports about ukraine, and again, we are interested it's the same as in moscow is happening and they are very interested in a little bit what is happening here with us, and they will have a word for everything there, where ukraine scored 50 points , they scored something like 6 points or something. from russia well, she seems to have gone there, then to rosishka, well, she went there, listen, and by the way, and by the way, listen , we’ve only been laughing at that video for two days

, those t-54 t-55, so agile, are absolutely probably being taken to ukraine and we laugh at the fact that they are ending everything is normal in the 47th 2018 tanks and says such things - the jokers know that soon t-34s will be removed from their pedestals, and here solovyov, who is lost, we will not even show him, and this certain military expert is completely serious - he says that if there is absolutely nothing there, we will have t-34s we are taking from the pedestals, we have enough tanks for the division, here they exceed any further, even anecdotal ideas about the russians and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such and such a good division will be excellent uh-uh yes, the people, the people's elected officials are in touch with us oleksii goncharenko yuliya klimenko

joins mine in our conversation at the same time p oleksiy good day to you mrs. yulia good day good day mr. oleksiy and andriy says that he found a report by yevgeny albats where she talked to you. the time of the full-scale invasion, and here he is communicating with people, it was all the same, if the wave that was rising had risen in ukraine. as for this lady, i honestly do not follow and did not know at all who she was who applied for me, that there is a journalist who wants to take in my comment. well, i asked you to show me the accreditation, please. she showed me the accreditation of the ministry of defense. i say that you came to ukraine. who are you? how are you a citizen of israel ? well, ok, what are the questions? well, i can say that within the framework of this conversation , there were no provocative questions. on the contrary, she said

that the russian liberals bear the blame for what happened in ukraine even more than putin because they understood what was going on and didn't stop this ghoul. well, i think that's right. that's why this story is very simple. well, this conversation is also about this. and they said that the conversation was like, okay, it's not bad if it reached some russians who are able to both hear and read, that's about it. probably, there is a point, nevertheless, i know, let's probably take it easy . if you want to add something to this story, shall we move on? yes, i think that we can move on, because i am the kind of person who does not believe in russian liberals . and what can i say, do you remember, you can believe or not, but what makes russia weaker does not make us weaker, at the same time, this is all in this war , the increase in funding will agree defense

uh, it's planned, what's it about? hmm, how, uh, is this a victory, relatively speaking ? already funds in the budget in order to finance salaries and the defense and security sector , it does not include not only the ministry of defense , it also includes the sbu, it also includes the ministry of internal affairs, a large part of the large budget was transferred to the ministry of internal affairs, as well as other law enforcement agencies that are now in the front line there were questions to the sbu, why? actually, a lot of the sbu does not fight , it goes around and terrorizes business, why are they allocated such funds, but it was clear, yes, to the answer to these, where will these funds be directed, just as there were questions, more than 20 billion went we received an answer from the state intelligence service, so we believe that this is not an agreement, not a victory , this is the current activity of the deputies who must

deal with this and provide a sufficient budget for defense security so that we win, please oleksiiovych, it is definitely not treason because we added money of half a trillion hryvnias to ukrainian army well, there is definitely no treason here. there is no problem with the fact that this money is not enough to return 30 and 100,000 hryvnias of additional payments to those who have now lost them, because they provide for the payment of these additional payments only to a part of our servicemen according to combat orders and in those er communities that are designated by the general staff by order as a zone of immediate hostilities. there are a lot of questions here. well, 3 minutes before you er dialed me, i was reading to me on facebook

a military serviceman who is on the left writes there on the banks of the dnieper, and he writes that he sends us videos of shelling, killed and wounded every day, but we have now determined that we are not a combat zone, we don’t have 30 additional payments, well , i’m generally silent when i’m idle, and he says he ’s writing to me well, of course, we’re not bakhmut, but well i mean, there should be some. well, there should definitely be 30. i completely agree with him, and it’s all taken away, and no one is going to return it. you know, i’m being careful here in that sense. i’m not saying that these scoundrels took it there. there is a problem with the budget stupid, there is nothing to fill the economy, we finance everything , in fact, at the expense of er, we finance the entire state at the expense of our partners, and the army at the expense of what we scrape from our own economy, and this is not enough, but it is not yet a national smartphone , but you produce content espresso tv you

you receive even a penny of money from the state budget, no, and you don’t ask for it. and why should we spend another 200 million hryvnias sent to create a russian-language product, e.e., on the freedom tv channel ? ukrainian bloggers and journalists and experts create and russian-language, ukrainian-language, english-language content, they do not spend a single penny, i have almost a million subscribers on youtube. yes , i am more than that. i am also there, the monetization of my youtube goes entirely to the armed forces of ukraine, and yesterday there was another anti-drone studied rifles . that is, we also give a plus , and here money is laundered from the state budget or roads or some salaries

. salaries, that is, there is money for them, but for our military hryvnias, there is no need for it. it would not be possible to return the money to everyone , even well, but you can come out and honestly say, look, we still have our cribbles, but we cleaned up all this nonsense, all these marathons, nobody needs roads, some kind of guarantee fund i don't know 15 billion hryvnias, and we are sending all these 15 billion hryvnias to the army , and now you may not receive them in full or earlier, but there is an additional payment even for those who are on the left bank of the dnieper and those who at the border he gave sumy oblast and russia and many, many others, maybe not as much as we would have liked, but all that we could have given. i think people would understand it then, and i, as a deputy, would understand it , but when there is money for such a stupid thing . already treason in feyhaus ukraine found itself in the report with as many as 50 points between the vr codes and the negro, this is a strange situation despite

the war and part of the explanation of this, this, this , such a low, low position in the rating, this is also a different situation with freedom of speech and this is also contained in a recent state report department of the united states, which in particular points to the problems with the functioning of the marathon national news. here is what mr. oleksii says about funding. there is another side , for example, a journalist as part of the media. i would like information about the war to go , for example, only from the general staff, but we had more freedom regarding the internal situation, there are more conversations about the future of the country , about the current situation, and at the same time, there is a great lack of briefings by those people who are responsible for their words, i don't want to listen to what i said yesterday one adviser to the president, and then after one and he was surpassed or completely refuted by another adviser, this is some kind of wild situation, if this also requires the spending of billions of budget hryvnias, then it is altogether amazing, ms. yulia

, what do you actually say about this situation with freedom of speech that is currently developing in ukraine. i think that our citizens have already said about this freedom of speech, it was closed , it seems that the social survey can be opened, and the marathon was held in january, 30% of our citizens watch it, all the others receive 70 receive information from other sources, e.e., this telegram channels, the internet, youtube, and many other sources, that is, the second point was interesting in this study, that citizens believe that they are given insufficient information, and this is what you said. that is, they do not have enough information, verkhovna the council works in a closed mode. all practically no state body conducts briefings. they are normal. we have this one from three dashes of 5 people who are really confused in their testimony. as they say, that is why ukrainian citizens themselves

clearly said that they need more in this social survey. of news, they should be more diverse, they should be uh, maybe not political, but any there are a few opinions uh, no, no , about some internal things uh, and i think that the time has come to diversify the media, so to speak -politics and give more, er, more freedom, honestly, i haven't watched the marathon for a long time because it's very boring and probably many citizens are the same, that is, they no longer get what was at the beginning of the war, when the marathon was justified, when it was necessary to clearly and quickly report, especially in those in the regions where there was no internet, citizens should be informed about the evacuation of the situation in the country, this has already been exhausted and it is necessary to give more news of a variety of different sides and return to freedom of speech, by the way, you mentioned the telegram channel and we had robert robert larian e last hour from

the civil public civil network of support who did a very interesting study that the majority of ukrainians are now receiving information from telegram channels, and he rightly says that all we have is the assurance of minister fedorov or from the mini deputy prime minister fedorov about the fact that this is a safe channel and his honest word is a stupid russian who created this telegram, but we see that, for example , the united states, european countries, well , by order, they force and close , for example, the accounts of all civil servants who join tik tok because they are not sure that then there will be no access to the data , but we have an agreed situation in ukraine , telegram channels are really becoming a problem , it seems to me because of their anonymity, firstly, and secondly, because they are actually advertised civil servants, since every

civil servant has his own phone with tens of hundreds of thousands of subscribers, this is a difficult situation, and i hardly see that such an initiative will come from the government, perhaps the parliament should come up with a similar initiative so that at least civil servants are prohibited from using this messenger, you know i was there, maybe the word is oleksia, but i want to say that in december i was in the congress and the senate , and one of the issues that was discussed was the distribution of the telegram channel both at the household level among american citizens and at the state level, and this very worried-worried the legislators in the american ones, that is, they consider this a serious threat, and they, as you said correctly, are taking certain steps in order to at least drive away this threat to some extent, our telegram channel has actually replaced television, and er, i consider it dangerous because i don’t think that the telegram channel is uncontrollable, er , at least partly by the russian special services

, the servers are partly located in russia, er, mr. the fool is still born in russia and has connections with russia , so come on, it's dangerous, well, it's not a completely channel, you need to have other channels for this, you need to have, first of all, options where you can post quick and interesting information for citizens, that's why telegram- something should be done with the channel, especially for civil servants, mr. oleksiy, i have a different opinion and i will explain it a-a telegram channels flourished so much because they closed television a-a well, if so how do you just watch p andriy, you now said let's it is forbidden if you simply ban the telegram channel without removing the national marathon and without returning freedom of speech and pluralism to the airwaves, we will only play into the hands of public servants , yes, i have a telegram channel with more than 200,000 subscribers, it is not muted on it, it is my personal

i am responsible for what is written there. if tomorrow all such telegram channels are closed, people will not stop going to telegram because there is no television, they will continue to go there, but they will only receive them anonymously, because you do not know them if you ban these anonymous people, it will definitely be russian, if not even not for some special services, because i am not sure about this, this is the story here, who was born in us, many people on the front and our heads of state were born in russia, he is there in mr. podolyak's own brother , they say that officer and in general, the russian special services well, here is such a story, that 's why it was born, but the fact that anonymous telegram channels can be used for informational and psychological attacks well, 100%. but they won't disappear, it's like they banned alcohol , but people started to drive all the letters, so it's here the idea should be in the following and the state policy should be in the following to stop the national marathon

, stop allocating money for it, return, return private channels to the information space, return pluralism in the matter of the air, and then the need for people to hold the telegram channels it will simply fall and then people will start to partially look there, well, this is the right way, because if we simply something is prohibited. well, now i have a draft law in the verkhovna rada, so i am informing , together with some other deputies, that is happening in the verkhovna rada of ukraine so they came up with a bill to prohibit a people's deputy from informing online professions and how do you go about the meeting of the verkhovna rada, that is, instead of opening it and then the need for this will simply disappear, they no, quarantine the deputy for the fact that he informs what is happening at his work, uh, for the money of the taxpayers of ukraine, i am for some kind of absurdity, but it happened at the last meeting of the verkhovna rada, the day before yesterday, i

think it was two days ago, so we different factions of deputies proposed eight times, we proposed eight so that this session was shown by a marathon because there is a question about the budget, what you are asking is how the ministers were appointed, what did they say, why did they, what questions did they ask them eight times, we asked eight times, and eight times the servant of the people failed this vote, imagine in principle, a politician who refuses to inform about his activities, well, this is some kind of, well, just a tour, but in which today we live, therefore any i excuse me very well, this any constructive actions, that is, they will not give results if we let's not give it, first we have to give people the opportunity to get information from other sources and then they can discuss something, but not on the contrary , these are really different issues, one issue is security and the other is an issue of freedom of speech . in this sense, i completely agree with you . thank you very much. oleksiy goncharenko about our people's deputy who

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