[000:00:00;00] it will continue here until the end of vladimir putin, they are not deciphering what it means, but there is another question, and whether putin wants to break something together, this is international justice, er, i mean to go to the very country that ratified the rome statute, tajikistan or hungary wherever he will be accepted, let's say there, oleksandr muchic says well, i won't arrest him, but he won't come here until the end of the war, you know that's the way it is, i'd say that it can be hung in the textbook of serbian politics, this lighthouse is simply brilliant believes, but there are people who do not believe that he will not come to them before the end of the war. well, everyone's condition is interesting. i am afraid that your proposal will not be heard because tajikistan is one, if i am not mistaken, of few countries, uh, russian influence is so serious or that depends

from the russian actions, which ratified here. that is, of course, you can break with this plan , but it will not end with anything except the exit of tajikistan or even hungary, where the head of hungary is thinking about the same things , it will not affect if it was a visit to one of european countries are serious, where is putin's deputy medvedev threatening to destroy this country after gaga, leading, for example, to germany that there will be a war then between russia and germany, in my opinion, this is the same russian game and not the exit of some country one from this list will not lead to the collapse of this system, although an attempt, as you say, well, a provocation is possible, but this provocation will not end in anything, mr. valery , this is a question about internal russian politics , i'm sorry that i'm asking it, you're a diplomat

, it's definitely not your field but but i have the impression that this strengthens if there is a war party in russia, i understand for sure that there is no peace party in russia, but such are the people who want martial law, total mobilization , in short, why did they not pay attention because of this decision of the international court of justice, they increased their influence and if now it is oppression and within russia and in ukraine can increase precisely because well , he has no way out, he cannot take away any right with anyone, he would not behave like this, but there is some ghostly hope, maybe someone has what well, it is possible to negotiate with the same french of the president and now this is simply impossible, they are locked in themselves, uh, in the name of putin

, and i will sit there and rule the country now , well, there can be no, no, no liberalisms , i want to emphasize that i did not ask this question, i think vitaly portrait with two red lines in red lines thank you, look now i'm going back a bit to the first part of the question, will this affect diplomatic work, the impact is obvious, and if the number of visits from other countries to moscow is much greater than the departure of putin, then of course i see this and it is for diplomacy for work it's a lot even for the image, it's simple, but well, that is, we are talking about the near future - this is the south african republic, then the group

of 20, where putin said that he will go there for sure. this will all be about the mood in russia, i will tell you frankly, i do not know, it is necessary to analyze which groups and how it was affected. i also congratulate and honestly with that information that it had little effect on such a group of hawks and even strengthened and maybe positions for some time but in such a medium-term plan, it will gradually play against the regime, because more and more people are thinking that they could be the next , you know. will save from e-e shinpyets and introduced himself very confidently even at the tribunal

as a result of this, from below, the hole opened very quickly behind the ether of the top of everyone else. so, i think that i am sure that the consequences and this a string of rope, how much of it is not the type. this is she, uh, she will come to the result and the group around putin. well, i think the business that got into the pocket for the war is getting more and more, already the second time she got into it. please, there was a hearing of hohong aggression, e.e., the secretary of defense of the united states, and dostin, the head of the joint committee of the chief of staff of the united states armed forces, have miley talked about the fact that the main threat to the united states is, first of all, china, they defended the military budget and explained precisely that the chinese army has become the strongest in the world, that it is approaching the american

one, that it will soon approach that it is the only one. as a guarantee to save the world, it is to be stronger than china. in ukraine they said that america is protesting for the first time in the history of two nuclear states, this is a serious challenge, but after all, russia was there after the comma, this is the strategy, it does not threaten us, well, the strategy has already been determined previously, in the documents of the united states, that is, china was not called joseph biden when he came to the presidency of the enemy, but in the documents of certain strategic states it was noted that it is competition. it can be interaction, but there can also be a conflict, including of a military nature . therefore, these are basic questions in the united states that the main competitor, adversary and threat is china, and well, this is a fact, and i wouldn’t even

deny it, but i and the second part is a timer. that is, this issue is stretched out in time. and the issue of russian aggressive actions and war in for europe. i just listened to the speech of us president joseph biden before the parliamentarians in canada. i will tell you that the common position of these countries and the support of the ukrainians from help in the first place as a real threat to ukraine sounded right now. the world order at the moment, so i don't think that we should worry about russia there. because of whom, because of whom it is because after a while it will simply not be there in seconds .

vitaliy portnikov is asking it. it's me. it's him. it's to. and this story, when russia is still with china in one way or another, and america is separate, well, the western world, without a doubt, that is, the second edition of the messenger, maybe some kind of change will happen , such that russia will turn to the west or china will turn its face. to the united states well, as it was in the first half of the 70s without russia, and how did kisya do this then , he flew to beijing with the words to go there and they began to be friends together against leonid ilyich brezhnev, that is, some such option can you imagine today? is it such a thing? vitaly again said

something he doesn’t like. no, i like it. it’s a good question . thank you. and it might be very good, but we now see facts that indicate that china and russia are converging, as they say to me , there were many comments, but we cannot ignore the fact that this rapprochement is not to the benefit of the united states in this case not in favor of ukraine. it doesn't work for the world, that is, on the contrary, now with regard to what is happening. well, i see that such a pro-politic world is being formed . at least china wants it, on the one hand, the united states, leaders, allies, on the other hand, china, which dominates the region. ointment in the future, and then it takes on such a role . there was already a traffic light pole, this is what china wants, russia as a mechanism for achieving the type of goals

, none of which are the third in terms of composition in this group, let's say the bolivarian method and so china does not want it, it will also use resources for russia, but as for when it will be, i think that kisen lives veres , time must pass for this, it is possible, but definitely in the next 10 years it is, unfortunately, not realistic for me, but you fell valery but i think that in 70-81 in the 71st year. if someone had said that now america , after nixon and china, would start making friends against soviet russia, no one would have believed it either, but three years have passed and it happened so that everything can be fair in the world, so far we are watching, you know our

forecasts, to be honest, are strategic for us forecasts it started there until two ahead, but in fact we live constantly in a world that is changing very much, so nothing can be ruled out. i'm just this for now. to be honest, i'm worried about another trend, which is the opposite, but today there was a speech by the prime minister of spain, pedrasansu, who said that we must take into account china's point of view if we want to stop the war in ukraine and everyone said that this is basically sancho's point of view because we are flying to beijing in a week, he needs to find some common language, all the calls to us literally take a few minutes that's why there was a message about the one-ik telephone conversation of the head of the international office of the central kodenko party of china with the adviser to the president of the french republic, ms. emanuel bon, and here we are shown even though this conversation is china calling for a strategic consensus from the european union on the issues of

a ceasefire in ukraine and peace negotiations , and the advice of the french president says that france is ready to work with china to find a peaceful solution from the point of view of the chinese vision . is responsible for the russian or chinese message. maybe you want it that way, but the conversation itself, and the conversation was initiated by the french, she also says that paris and madrid are somehow strangely reacting to this story, that is, i did not foresee such a reaction, i will honestly tell you earlier, maybe by the 24th even after the 14th year of the large-scale invasion, we have seen such attempts by european countries to introduce their own line. it is different from the united states and china , well, in general, russia would really like europe to act in a different way than the solidarity of the united states is happy, so i

i don't think that it can be any systemic changes, because it is unlikely that the european countries of the eu as a whole and individual european countries will change the route of the atlantic security, that is , first of all, the aspects and trade interaction. but there are such incomprehensible phantoms, if there is any strategy of acquisition, it is not known about what but if it’s still direct that these are some changes , a radical approach in these countries, but we’ll see, we need to follow this carefully and china. they really wanted to break away from the eu under the common position of the united states, and such well in us there are two minutes left and i would like to ask such a question a and the real real time of accession is, first of all, is ukraine's accession

to nato real and the real time of accession is three years five years immediately after the end of the war. in what way, more or less approximately, but still , more or less, no, i can't tell you the dates , but i will tell you when it would be desirable to do it. this can be done in the window of opportunity after the deoccupation of the ukrainian territory, which until the end of this war and the window opportunities from this moment will be measured not in 5 years, but much more. that is, it is 2-3 years after this moment, provided that our partners are ready for this, of course , but we, including us, must still

meet certain internal prerequisites in ukraine because it is possible to say why de facto is already in nato that our armed forces are the strongest in europe that in principle as you want as a citizen this compliance but we must already prepare for this is a cunning possibility or frankly i do not see that preparation e-e to be sold in ukraine, despite the fact that the increase of people who support this introduction to the date, understanding that this is one of the effective options for a security umbrella for ukraine, it has increased now in general numbers sashka that is , it can be said now that practically all of ukraine is in favor of such decisions and such it was the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyy with his just now he spoke about the european cancer, he said about the eu, he talked about everything like fans. maybe it is because the partner is not ready, but all the resources of ukraine are directed to the system of collective

protection and not alone like you now this year i don't care what it is to be called too well whatever you want but there is too much the most effective organization today in europe security ot that's why we need to cover ourselves with an umbrella and common defense we can't all the time the country's resources are primarily those that our people men and women warriors are not being restored, that is, they are used to contain this russia, we all need to be fenced off our territory. well, i see it. this is the mechanism. if someone sees something else, then we must talk about it. we thank valery , a diplomat who served ukraine in the united states from 15 to 19 years of age and trust, trust, refusal of trust, george kovalenko, priest of the orthodox church of ukraine, rector of the open orthodox university of st. sophia wisdom is with us sir father good health thank you for finding time for

us i have such a strange question for you i saw how the representatives of the moscow patriarchate came to the president and i wish i could understand okay, yes, someone will come, but among them there were one or two people under sanctions who are obviously, well, that is, if you at least want to spoil and not get to the president, you have to advise these two people, that is the head of pavlo, this famous person who has such evil the word mercedes is added to it, for some reason, there is usually one more, i know less about it, but two people who, that is, it seems that there was no desire to conduct serious negotiations, you cannot take such people to negotiations. if you want to be met at least because will say hello and they left precisely in such and such in such a number and with such people that it is obvious that mr. zelenskyi would never have gone out with them and would not have invited

something to his place there with his head, well, it was a certain performance, and there were as many as three people there, in general , there were four sub-actions that is, which persons do we want a decision from the synod of the moscow patriarchate, in which four persons sit under sanctions, two of whom already have their citizenship suspended, so these people came under the administration just by and by on camera and there was still one person i really liked the nuance is that at a certain point they were standing on foam plastic, that is, probably their shoes. well, it’s not foreseen so as not to sit in the office or drive in a car for the street is not foreseen, and i think someone from those who were with them decided to help, he covered the foam plastic for me , it’s still

a sign of the fact that people are generally detached from the earth and from reality, and there was a kind of styrofoam action of ihor i just like that in india, such a thing would have been one of the brahmins in front of whom boards were carried because he did not have an insect to kill. they put it. and he is already moving on the daughter and he is so holy that he does not touch the earth and does not even touch an insect and these are such holy people, maybe it is some kind of scumbag eh russian orthodox church i think that they are detached from reality from the earth eh this eh it is more likely a fake story because people under sanctions go to the president's office, people who have been charged with certain cases by the ukrainian security authorities pretend that they can

represent the ukrainian believers , that is, at a time when they apply their clergy addressed and wrote 10 questions to the synod, but the synod instead of answering the questions of their clergy, did they really break with moscow officially ? tell us , did you break with the priests of the moscow patriarchate? they write some e-e appeals against the president and do other things . that is, it means that they live in their own world or in a world that is actually painted by russian propaganda or in order to support the narratives spread by russian propaganda in ukraine and in the world. please tell me how

you imagine what will happen on tuesday. do you have an idea? i think tuesday will be the beginning of a new stage of this story because until we say so, we will not entered into the format of tuesday, yes, as long as there is a deadline by which they must leave lavriv, all this discussion, including statements that we will not leave there. for example , bishop pavlo makes statements that they will not leave, but at the same time things are taken out of the lavra, that is, i wonder if it is the same way a certain research, that is, the reaction of the audiences, that is, how ready will the audience of the moscow patriarchate be, how faithful is the state to be consistent in its actions, that is, for us, on the 29th , a new page of this history will begin with the eviction of the moscow patriarchate from the kyiv-pechersk

lavra and the bird, look, how do you think this story surrounding the kiev-pechersk lavra will affect the transition of the faithful, the transition of priests, and you say that the priests are asking questions , that is, to what extent in this area can we to talk about any changes , or nothing will change, or some kind of transition will begin, transition to the orthodox church of ukraine, on the one hand, we see that this story mobilizes the faithful of the moscow patriarchate, including the faithful who declare their patriotic position, that is, videos appear about the fact that the uoc is the church of ukraine , that we are patriots and so on, we help the army, they appear

, there are calls to defend the shrine. the church there in soviet times, but this is manipulation, no one calls, for example, the monks to leave the attention, yes, the monks who came there to pray, first of all, the lavra should leave the structures of the moscow patriarchate there, besides the monks, there is also a whole management structure of this church, there is a metropolis, the governing body is, er, sandal management that is , the ministry of the moscow patriarchate is an educational institution, the institution is a monastery, which is currently headed by the legal head of this person, who is under the sanction. yes, if there is any within this monastic community a proposal, yes, from a canonical legal point of view, to fulfill the prescriptions of the ukrainian state, yes, and to prove that they are really not

a church that is connected to the aggressor state , if such proposals are made, then it will be a monastic life for this community if this community leaves lavra i think there are enough people in the country who want to pray and take care of the shrines who can continue praying there as it happens . today, please tell me canonically who makes the decision about the departure of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate from moscow, ukrainians can simply say , well, that is, here too, no churchmen say we left, or for this it is necessary for moscow to say yes? we agree with what you let's see how it's done to maintain canonicity

, to maintain canonicity, you have to go back to 2018, when the ecumenical patriarch canceled the decision that the ukrainian church was taken care of by moscow, at least there i just talked about the metropolitan, but moscow still annexed this church in kostopil, officially canceled this decision, that is, whether or not he called on all the orthodox in ukraine, recognized all their priests as priests, and called on them to gather and decide what status they want to be in. and he admits this, the part that gathered at the unification council and created the orthodox church of ukraine received, in fact, the status of autocephaly tomos from the ecumenical patriarch , the other part that went to the council, which now says that it is supposedly independent from moscow, but it has not officially broken

with it, it is canonical, in principle , it can be considered as being under the jurisdiction of the kostopil patriarchate. it should recognize this and, in the end, really break with moscow, but they had enough courage in the 18 this year, following moscow, to break with constantinople, the mother church, and the universal patriarchate, that is, now they must have the courage to say, sorry, we were wrong, or were we influenced, or were we afraid ? well, they themselves must explain why so it happened then yes, they should restore the unity of universal orthodoxy and they want to start under the moderation of demoderation from ternopil to start a dialogue with the orthodox church of ukraine. this is the normal canonical way . everything that is happening now is mimicry when the ukrainian media says one thing to the ukrainian society. from the canonical point of view -

this is actually the continuation of the existence of the russian church in ukraine, the diocese of the russian church , the bishops of the russian church, the priests of the russian church, i will not repeat any an official break with moscow was not announced, there was no decision either by the synod, or by the cathedral, or by the head personally, that is, all these conversations on camera for society, and from the canonical point of view, from the final point of view, nothing like that happened, but everything is possible in the canonical field as well, and why mr. grigoriy this is a question. when the whole country is against russia, okay, 90% , okay, 85 when the whole world is civilized against russia, when it is obvious that what you can win, i mean you - this is the uoc mp if you remain in

those positions. well, at least out loud somehow think about it, let it come out to people and say yes, we are afraid, because on the one hand, this is for, but i saw even then that there is some internal discussion and people are thinking about it, what are the hopes for now, i just have a hard time imagining them, they are beating their heads against the wall like russian troops under fire against ukrainian troops, losing blood there, but here losing authority , losing everything, i can’t understand why they need it except for millions of dollars. i can still understand this, but i hope that there is still some spirituality lurking somewhere, maybe there it can me in third place. on the 25th, but somehow, it's strange to imagine that priests will defend the ideas of ukrainian orthodoxy in ukraine only for a pittance. well, first of all, i have some kind of religious explanation, that is, there is such a phrase in the holy scriptures, if the lord wills to punish takes away the mind, so here we really have and cannot even thank god for

this behavior of the moscow patriarchate, on the other hand, i think there is still a desire to maintain the internal structure of the corporation. there is probably some hope that it can somehow they believe that everything is possible, unlike ukrainian society, and there is probably that inadequacy . they live in some kind of informational space of their own. they live and receive information, for sure , including from and from their curators, and maybe it is really just not broken not only mentally, but also officially the connection of these people with their curators in e-e moscow, you know what worries me tetsyur i remember very well the situation that took place in montenegro when

the president of milodjukan and chiki used then as one of the founders of this new independence of the country with the undisputed support of the montenegrin society, he began to fight with the serbian orthodox church, in which he did not expel it from anywhere, he just wanted economically to place it in a normal role in society, which did not succeed, by the way, he lost it completely and it turned out that the serbian orthodox church can be a serious player on the political scene simply because a huge number of people who consider themselves montenegrins simultaneously consider themselves believers of the serbian church and they cannot to break this, as a result, we now have presidential elections in montenegro, in which instead a person who enjoys the support of the serbian church will win, what can i say , it will happen in a couple of weeks, and we are still glad that it is not so openly about the moscow man. the attack is about zahidna, but it is still a creature creature of the serbian church, what is there to hide, and i have a serious fear that we underestimate not only the clergy but also the congregation, that this may be the road to a mental