[000:00:00;00] montenegrin society, he began to fight with the serbian orthodox church. why didn't he expel it from anywhere? he just wanted economically to put it in a normal role in society, which did not succeed, by the way, he lost it completely, and it turned out that the serbian orthodox church can be serious a player on the political stage simply because a huge number of even people who consider themselves montenegrins at the same time consider themselves believers of the serbian church and they cannot break it, as a result we have it now the presidential elections in montenegro will be won by a person who enjoys the support of the serbian church, what to say , it will happen in a couple of weeks, and we are glad that it is not so openly about the moscow man. and i have a serious fear that we are underestimating not only the clergy but also the congregation, that this may be the road to a mental

breakdown and we simply do not imagine it today, the president may not imagine it and the authorities, and then we will face not a conflict with the zanufria, but a conflict with people who will really say that they are ukrainian patriots, but they are believers of this church and they want to protect it, and this may not be the case after the war, but now there will be such a road to a serious social split , this may happen. i fully i agree. i want to believe that after all, the state is its special services and er, the same state body in affairs or whatever it is called there now , the state services of ethnopolitics, freedom of conscience , yes, that is, these people, including calculating their actions and will begin then bringing it to an end. i agree that there is a mobilization of the faithful of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, it can also be used, including in the future, for certain political support

in ukraine, but on the other hand, i also see the request of ukrainian society yes, which is also answered by the government, that is, there is a request from society, after all, when the authorities have a very important task, let 's say to divide the issue of punishment of those who are connected with the aggressor state or with which crimes or correcting the fire or spreading propaganda while ensuring the right of believers to freedom of conscience until, unfortunately, the moscow patriarchate manages to manipulate and issue eh real actions regarding the treasure yes exposure there of agents in the russian special services of people who violate the laws eh

adjusters of the fire for persecution eh there is a question here, the question is that the state that has already started this process should bring all these actions to real sentences and to real sanctions , which well, i still don't understand how people who are under sanctions continue to lead legal entities to speak on behalf of these legal entities is simply to say that they will not go anywhere and go to the office of the president, these people are already under sanctions, that is , people deprived of or suspended citizenship continue all these actions publicly in our country. that is, it is a problem on the one hand on the other hand, i would like to believe that the state policy will be so let's say so accurate, yes. when, after all

, real people who simply profess their faith will not suffer. yes, and those who violate the laws will be punished, but those dangers what are you you are saying this is reality. but i wanted to ask you, by the way, at the end of our conversation, how do you generally comment on what is happening now with the lithuanian orthodox church, because patriarch zelenskyi is the first patriarch in history. by the way, this is happening. priests who were expelled from the russian orthodox church to its leaders, well , the lithuanian branch of the ukrainian orthodox church, they are gathering there in some new lithuanian community of lithuanian orthodox, and this remains the territory of the russian the orthodox church is canonical, unlike in ukraine, but petro zelensky meets with the leaders of lithuania there, this community is being created. i don’t really understand what happens next

, how it will develop in general, it’s just like that. the battlefield is now every country. well, i’m lucky that i’m under cover i was in lithuania for christmas. oh well, tell me about the ukrainian refugees, and it turned out that he served for the lithuanian local church, because here are all the priests who have now been renewed by the ecumenical patriarch , they all actually organized these services, they sang, they took communion and i was, i went to the ukrainians, as a result, i came to the lithuanians, to the belarusians, and even the russians were those who were at the service and received communion at these services, so i really look at this story, yes, tell me with the eyes of a person who knows the context. yes, but look what else i see. lithuania is a part of the former kyiv metropolitanate, we have to understand what the ecumenical patriarch is doing, this is a continuation of the same history, including with

our tomos, and earlier it was a history with the autocephaly of the polish church, which is in fact on the same grounds, this is the history of kyiv metropolitan area is not the territory of the russian church, if the ecumenical patriarch is actually taking back what was once annexed by moscow, then on the one hand, this is a story about the fact that this is not exactly the territory of the russian church, and on the other hand, very important things were said by the patriarch first of all unequivocally said that the russian church is responsible together with the russian state for the crimes committed by the russian state, and this also applies to children and kidnapped, i think, other military crimes that the russian church blesses on the other hand, the ecumenical patriarch

the kostopil patriarch is the mother of the church, including for the radical church, and the patriarch hinted that he is also ready to engage in the processes of renewing or improving the russian church , including for the ukrainian and moscow patriarchates and for orthodox lithuanians the mother church is constantinople, and this is already the action of the church that feels its responsibility , we hope, we hope that this will also start a process in universal orthodoxy regarding the condemnation of this heresy of the russian world, including the condemnation of patriarch kirill and for all that christochism that the russian church is engaged in, we thank george kovalenko, a priest of the orthodox church of ukraine, the rector of the open orthodox university of saint sophia of wisdom. thank you

very much, as he said, what he said to chekism. for the first, the first question remains here before see number one is written see the first task number one you have already answered here now read and answer but you understand italy's mistake better. the day before, melena organized a crackdown on five-star populists who were demanded to stop helping ukraine, to which she emotionally replied that this means supporting putin's occupation . acceptance of non-european migrants. what do you think of such allies? if you expected after melanie's victory that she would support ukraine, or was that all, he just didn't expect it. he predicted it when she was not yet elected at this table. we sat and in

italy then said that she is amazing, on the one hand, she is very close to fascism, on the other hand, she is a post-fascist party, and on the other hand, she is very pro-ukraine, and she said that the fascists should love putin and should not do anything about putin in ukraine, but really, well, she doesn't fascist, let's say so. it's just a post-fascist party , literally, and they renounce their political heritage, but during the time when meleni was in the italian parliament, she was in opposition to the previous government of mario drago on almost all issues except for one support for ukraine so that everyone says that it will be very difficult for her in the coalition, because in her coalition there are two ukrainian parties, but she is the largest there, and therefore she influences them. there is another very important point that i want to mention, because the previous government destroyed the five star movement they are idiots, i always said that they are idiots, and now i say it, and there was a wonderful minister of foreign affairs who supported us, and who

was forced to leave his own party because he was for us. they actually expelled him, a charismatic leader, strong, they expelled him so now they are uh, different leaders and they continue to fight, they buried the mario government, hoping that the new government will be more professional, yes, yes, so that they lose again , so i am not surprised, and what does that mean, i am ready to cooperate with everyone, i am i once said when i was on the maidan and they told me what i was doing, and together with the activists of the all-ukrainian freedom association, i said that i , the activists of the united freedom association, are united by the fact that we want a ukrainian state, and the people who protest against us want so that she is not it was later in the ukrainian state, we will figure out which one of us is a voter, or people will simply consider foreign heroes to be their heroes, this is our internal ukrainian business , but if there is no state, there will be no talk of the origin of xenophobia and so on. let ms. meleni do her job and if

to extrapolate a little i would say that you know during the war to the ukrainians well, not 100% spit but 90% exactly who goes with us to the victory of ukraine is well done and so let's say thank you who gives weapons somehow well for example very often criticized erdoğan's first half-year i say listen, he doesn't let russian boats pass through the bosford yes and we'll say thank you ukraine sells its grain somewhere in africa or europe will there be people and we'll say thank you we shouldn't expect that instead of ukrainians turks will fight here or whatever "who else is there? she's for us. she wants to give us weapons . she supports ukrainian initiatives . european pro-ukrainian initiatives. thank you for your support. it's up to you inside italy

. let the italians figure it out for themselves. we're here now." it is one's job to deal with the enemy next to us, a big supporter of the pain of the plant, to put it mildly, he does not consider the fact that his support for ukraine is worthy of any respect and in the history of world politics brothels johnson , to put it mildly, a non-supporter you are as usual now continuation of processing and how about the person who first went to kyiv walked along khreshchatyk this historical past example is very simple and very interesting i recently read somewhere about my old friend andrii stalskyi who was in charge of the bbc a-a editor the main he describes his neighbor among ukrainians post-soviet space people like to generalize very much if he is somewhere bad then he is generally bad if he is somewhere good then he is generally good she describes what the neighbor says i love boris johnson so much he is so wonderful i would like to treat him

invite to the file, guys. and i would give him cookies that i made, and everything, he is so smart , he tells stories, he is an intellectual, he tells some stories, he knows all the languages, that's how the prime minister, god, the prime minister's harrows, it's very much even before things are good beer if you in 1942, you would write uh on british radio , do you listen at all, do you know that the prime minister of the soviet union, joseph stalin, said that he would fight together with the british americans before the soviet troops entered berlin, you know who is stalin? he has concentration camps. he kills millions of people. he is generally a monster in a human face. it is absolutely right . how do you like such allies? well, we need to win the war . always against whom i fought, but now another concern is to save humanity from

this hitler, and i am ready to go to hell, even somewhere it said that i will go to hell if the devil is against hitler or stalin, so it is necessary to make an alliance with the devils. and i i can answer if i take you as hitler . that's all i am. this is a comprehensive answer. yes, three-quarters of europeans support sanctions against the russian federation for the supply of weapons to civilize. the survey was organized. yes, can these numbers be considered an indicator of collapse? of the russian populist machine, because it is no secret that the russian federation invests crazy money in the european mass media, in particular publications and journalists who work for media known all over the world, as well as in political forces that lobby for the inhibition of any aid to ukraine, do not exaggerate ms. zoryana , it really is and the money is really crazy but i think you have something to say about some kind of total victory or some kind of serious competition truth against

untruth the truth of the civilized light against the untruth of russia i wouldn't do it but on the other hand i would say that there will be no collapse, the history of the fight against evil stretches back many thousands of years and to think that we will win even if ukraine wins at the front and even if everything will be fine and all dreams will come true , totalitarian authoritarian regimes will still remain in russia, forces that will constantly and they will have money to fuel some anti-ukrainian , anti-european, anti -north-north atlantic narratives and so on , this will not end with the end of the war, it will not be like this , there will be a long, long struggle gods and the devil many, many thousands are fighting, i will be less theological in this answer, i still believe that i agree with mykola that we will have to fight against totalitarianism for years and

with dictatorships, but regarding propaganda i believe that propaganda can achieve certain successes until that moment, because when it happens on equal terms well, we tell something, they tell something, they show , oh, sevastopol. look at the history of crimea, sacral , macral. that huge money if there is if there is a reason to preach like this and then and then bucha appears and believe me that 90% of europeans they are 65 absolutely not interesting more propaganda when they see it when they see just how civilians were killed just like that when they see to kill this hand of this compatriot of ours with a manicure. we already know the circumstances and the murder, that she was just riding a bicycle to her daughter. it is not possible to reason at all. you can’t even

, er, old drinker. a person who lives in france in germany who, by the way, knows before what the second world war is and thought that everyone had already drawn conclusions and they are seeing this again and it is absolutely not interesting at all margarita semenyan rasha there the sacredness of crimea go to your ass, you can talk like this on the air a person thinks. this is how a person thinks, and this is it. this is not our victory . do you understand that this is the victory of the russian atrocity over its propaganda? let's go further here about romania. greetings, mr. tatiana . please comment on the provocative bill which pro-russian senator diana shoshoeke of the romanian parliament believes that romania should join the historical territory that belongs to it, northern bukovina, herz bujak, bolgrad, from the mercy seat, they say, bucharest in ukraine, helped to fight , now, give back, tetiana, well, it

will be like that for a while, but it has all shifted. somewhere yes and we have already mentioned boris johnson , brexit, trump, putin, uh, hungary , give it, give it, there are always people with such political flair who try to make this political capital will not be anything from this law, and without a doubt, yes, romania. by the way, when she spoke at nato in the european union, she specifically did everything she could and there were no territorial problems with the neighbors. a member of all these unions and you can see that it is not even civilized from the point of view of the hungarian government, it still behaves very carefully in such matters , because for such matters you can be kicked out of the european union or nato when you just do something you block something, you don't allow it, and when you want, you know i have territorial claims, but i'm sorry for the mass of your union , we protect each other here, and that's why you with your territorial claims, let's go to

the exit, there will be big problems in hungary, i think the romanians will not want the same problems for themselves, how do they see neighboring hungary, but there and there, of course. because romania is big, romania is big, hungary is always there are people who think like that, there are such people in every country, there are such political forces and they will great smaller but they are small they are always marginal but they say we have taken away from us it it is it is the hill of przemysl the team of the region i always ask people who want kuban and this jacket area and voronovsk what you will do with them we could only now from our parts of our pro-russian population to find a common language. when you say that they started communal services

, many people live there, 10-15 million, so that keep in mind, this will happen. and it will happen and there will be provocations for the entire parliament. parliament, only one person wants to take bucovina, you understand, there could be more. well, you can. by the way, who was in odesa just west of odesa, well, it’s just, well , it’s hundreds of meters, and the romanian army was stationed there . there were times when you were stationed there during the second world war the wars of the first world war, this is not far, this is not somewhere. this is just odesa, this is part of the odesa region, and in chernivtsi, well, almost all of chernivtsi. yes, and now there is a prophecy that does not support ukraine's accession to the european union and nato until they are restored the rights of transcarpathian speakers budapest notes that it seems that in transcarpathia the rights of the hungarian minority are being suppressed here we have the following story in the cameras yesterday i just read it maybe not everything is clear but i understood something now all the actions of the europeans and ukrainians of the ukrainian front will go through the venice

commission all the bills will be there to approve and put a seal and if you are not a special commission in the law about the language in the law, not about the language in any law, i say everything is normal from the point of view of europeans, then questions arise already for the hungarians and not for to the ukrainians, hello, we all recognize the action of the european commission if we all created it, including you, hungarian gentlemen, and now you don't recognize it, say you are members of the european union or not. if you are members, then let's listen together to what the various commissions say created by the european union, and as far as i understand now, this is such a new, new way for the european union to reduce the influence of countries like hungary. i am not so optimistic about this. i believe that mykola is absolutely right. when they say that

they are now trying to isolate and isolate such countries such as hungary from blocking the action of the european union, but still i think it is clear from finland's acceptance of sweden donato that if someone has already taken a hard position, this position is difficult to overcome and is a great example of the perception of defeated macedonia's access to the european union, bulgaria had no reason at all to it is to block, but it was blocked. and we don't like how they will ask their story and a mechanism was most likely created. i think that there can be a way out of the situation, that a mechanism will be created overcome hungarian claims, where will france, germany, or are they already starting, there is no mechanism for this, there will be hungary, ukraine , too, we will also have to find a compromise, it is not that we will say that we will have such a law and it will be like this we will have to look for komarivtsi, why not only hungary, but also with romania, and maybe at some point in historical memory it could be from poland, and we need to prepare for this if we

want to be members of nato and the european union. we will have to accept these compromises, but the question of when it will be in hungary at this moment can there will be another government that will not focus on these issues, in which the issue of minorities will be treated differently and it may turn out that our legislation is absolutely convenient for it, but it will not be convenient. he is not forever. it seems that he is forever, but one more moment is needed here, vitaliy already in the word compromise. it seems to me that this is a very important moment for ukrainians in general. compromise or weakness is not all even in government circles. even on the pechersk hills, they understand that this is the way europeans act, you cannot win, you will always look for and find a compromise, and this does not mean that you are conceding in something, you cannot do anything in

europe, this is uncompromisingness - this is stalin's , this was uncompromising in the communist parties without compromise - in the fascist party of the nationalist party of germany it is without compromises i said so and it will be and democracy foresees all these moments let 's give in here, give in there, we both give in, we have no option 100 to zero i won 100% he got zero 100 it will never be like that when when north macedonia agreed with greece on changing the constitutional name, they put this issue to a referendum and for this it was necessary to join nato for a reason and the vast majority of ethnic macedonians i think 70 percent, i'm just wrong, voted against this decision, but since macedonia has a large community of albanians, in principle, they voted for macedonia to be called northern macedonia. by

the way, not such a difference, macedonia remained well, north macedonia. well, it's really in the north, this macedonia is the greek province of macedonia in the south, and it's really macedonia, and it's all a fact, you can't deny it. that it's also macedonia macedonian alexander maxim well, of course, as a result, but what i want to say is that macedonia joined the northern nato is an important guarantee of its security and development, and serbia will not join russia. of the new minister of education. can his reforms be effective, taking into account that the funding of education is unlikely to be sufficient ? well, i think in general that this is a very interesting story about what he

is. by the way, we don't know about the fact that we don't even know if the dissertation that was shown to us was really his dissertation , you know, it's an amazing thing, but to me these are the principle of appointment. who work from morning till night in academic institutes to find a person who did not engage in plagiarism mykola, you have the impression that everyone is engaged in conflicting interests of the president of the academy. i do not understand at all how it is possible in italy , how is it possible? i understand your emotions, i just know that once upon a time it was quite a complicated story, you couldn’t pay like that , plagiarists always pay like that, but that’s how it was difficult, and after independence, where are some of

the academy of sciences, we already have 150 pieces for each person it is called academicians will be september or a member of the correspondent no i want you to be a member of the academy no i can't because i don't see that you are a dekademika you are the son of an academician you should be an academician and you at all and you then why are you a member correspondent i will then vote against why will you be a doctor new the professor is also not bad. mykola, i just worked for you . you are an academic. you are not . i am so mean. you see, my academics felt academicism immediately , so i had to rewrite something in order to become a member of the correspondent, but seriously, i at all i think i don't think about the forest's accent because i want us to find out if this is really his dissertation, let's look at the results of this whole story. we looked at what you wanted , so that he himself read this dissertation of his , his prices, but this is an idea that must be defended. because it makes sense, er, you studied graduate school. yes, i did not defend myself and i studied graduate school for people, and this is just a horror in front of you

. those who graduated from speedometry did not defend themselves because at this stage, in a different period, we simply understood that we were not let's be scientists, we're not going to do this, why defend a thesis and imitate a scientist, analyze someone else's work, maybe some person really wants to sit in all the libraries and study and study study well, i'm the only one, but i would be now, but really now , we would. i would be a candidate for philology, history, and history. and i would be a philology major. oh, well, we are candidates ourselves and there was no plagiarism, so we wrote it with our own pens. i would look like a complete idiot because everyone . well, you finished your dissertation. what are you doing here? the main thing is that no one now has so many planets and who still didn't believe what you said. and i wrote it myself back then . all of you would give me credit so that you don't prove . you still need to understand that science is a daily important work and we have

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