on the 20th and 25th of march 1999, i didn't sleep either. mykhailo says that i didn't sleep either, because somehow all this was being analyzed and the words of vyacheslav chornovol's wife and the shadows of vasylivna pashko were constantly being heard. we are around 2 o'clock in the morning after gennady udovenka's call, right after vyacheslav chornovol's car crashed into this kamaz, right at the junction between the car and the trailer. and when gennady yosypovych called me back, it was already half past 12 - that night i fell asleep and so did he

asked that i call back, that i call back the next floor council, that he, accordingly, inform the police and that an ambulance leave immediately from our verkhovna rada clinic, and when we were, i asked gennady yosypovych what he was saying about vyacheslav i don't know yet, but now i'll go and look, it was literally in a minute when the car came, a boa constrictor was driving from behind. and when they drove up and saw this terrible trouble, he immediately called me back. and here he came with the phone turned on, looked at it and said,

it's a great pity that vyacheslav is probably gone and he is asking me to mean this is the same time and the topic of the school tried without success to call you all were busy when later and exactly and you will tell us about this but i always remember i came to mykhailo around 2:00 a.m. well, after calling back to the verkhovna rada, the police and security services of ukraine and the doctors went there , and mykhailo and i left. not there may be times in a person's life when it is necessary to go to the nearest relative and inform them that in this case vyacheslav is no longer there

. and when we go up to them, in the same house, mykhailo kosiv and er, and chernovoli lived only one floor above and when the hotel opened the door for a long time, she did not open the door for us, she opened the door, we come in, i, mykhailo, and i also grabbed it and asked that some nurse from our clinic go with us, because it is not known what will happen to such a person after giving such terrible news . what will happen to atena vasylivna and atena vasylivna? opened us after a long pause for a few minutes and then this emotional breakdown she literally screamed how could you why didn't you save vyacheslav

why didn't you save this why didn't you save then once already in the ninth year when i interviewed her for in one of his programs there is the praise of chornovol and she says that i saw when vyacheslav it was after the split of the people's movement of ukraine that he comes home late at night he comes gray-haired he says i wake up in the middle of the night he sits on the bed with his feet on the floor i ask him why you don't sleep, he says don't sleep i'm going to lie down and sleep now and when she tells him, well, you, you don't be so sharp because they'll kill you, i 'm repeating it verbatim because they'll kill you, they won't forgive you and vyacheslav says no

they wouldn't dare, and this is how close we are, the comrades of vyacheslav said when just that's what this period of schism is and he drove around ukraine in the regions of meetings with movement activists in order to protect the regional organizations to protect the movement not so that he wanted to be well the head of a large party organization he always said that i think we need a movement as a tool for the acquisition and development of the ukrainian state. she, a woman's heart, senses something in us . we have this passage, but pashka, how does she remember that terrible night, or how she also had a premonition because she didn't sleep. let's see this story of hers

. she really picked up the phone. and he said that oh why are you busy higher up busy i was surprised why he had to call me at two o'clock in the morning and to you and that they are busy but i don't say much and what what happened 20 called that's what i say i'm looking for vyacheslav i don't know what about me i'm not here now and i can't call anywhere, and i don't know my wife, this overweight man. and he says, "we'll come to you now. i sat like that. i understood everything in essence that it's for me, too, but you know, i thought, let everything be what he wants, if only he was." all this is alive, let it be alive. well, the doorbell rings. and i don't open it for them. i don't open it. i don't open it once, twice, maybe the fifth time

. finally, i got up and opened it. i saw that sich kender was standing there, and there was also a woman in a white coat. actually, it's very good that there. by the way , football is with him. maybe they didn't show it. i want it just to remind myself sama himself, you know yourself, he is the one historically on which all this happened, the split of the movement is actually taking place, it is somehow not happening by chance, the main main political force that was actually the driving force of independence, it is split from the middle, and also by whom are all the lavrynovychs that we remember later who were they, and what is happening is the presidential company where kuchma is extremely unpopular and he has almost no chance of being re-elected .

to create all this, well, it just looks like, well, there were a lot of motives for chornovol to physically destroy andria, er, you are right. when i say that, i somehow rummaged through all these memories in my mind all night and somehow project them onto today's situation somewhere and maybe this is too loud, but really, for me as a person, and with mykhailo, we often communicate with the kosovar, and he says that i have the same feelings, and then i dare to say it out loud, and then we will remember this period one of the from the episodes

well, from my point of view, an episode from the life of vyacheslav chornovol that is archivally important in our ukrainian history is the period of his organization, e.e., publication of the underground, out -of-censorship magazine ukrainian herald , for some reason, few people talk about him in my opinion , and this is not an exaggeration, and it is not just me i say and there will be osyp zinkevich, who, in 1970, headed the torch publishing house in 1970 in baltimore , united states of america, where the ukrainian herald was published, which we prepared, rephotographed and sent -is were sent there, then mykhailo was also supposed to go. when you mentioned that, uh, inside , there was a hybrid war against vyacheslav chornovol and against the national-democratic movement, because on the one hand, the authorities bombed and did everything quietly and quietly to isolate, to

discredit, to destroy in the end, chornovol and these internal problems are really such a hybrid war against chornovol as a political leader, as a person extremely popular at that time in our ukrainian society, and this is the most terrible thing that what hurt vyacheslav chornovol the most was that these were members of his team. these are people whom he brought to the verkhovna rada on his own, so to speak, on his authority, on his shoulders, 30 people, and i close my eyes and see this triumph of the communists. reads the statement below, which contains the signatures of 30 members of the people's movement faction, and vyacheslav, when he was leaving, the movement went to the elections separately and brought

48 people's deputies to the verkhovna rada as a result of the election results. it was a powerful force, it was the second after the communists, after the communists, political power and all, and it was necessary to destroy such political power in the legislative body, and when volodymyr chernyak, a member of the verkhovna rada, read out this short statement of no confidence in vyacheslav chornovol, the whole faction stood up and applauded and shouted, well done, moving well done, moving this is for vyacheslav it was maybe no prisons, no camps killed him like this episode from the verkhovna rada, but i would like us not to be the same, but why the figure of vyacheslav in this period of the 1960s

was outlined because there were a lot of unique figures and levko lukyanenko and ivan dzyuba and ivan svitlichnyi and yevhen sverstyuk and then the second wave, so to speak , of ukrainian writers and pavlychko and yavorivskyi and many, many more, but the most clearly and most powerful of this cohort of ukrainian patriots was outlined it was the figure of vyacheslav e.e. chornovol and this is what he planned, which i said that you can talk about chornovol for weeks and not remember everything, and you won't talk about it, and you won't fix it, so to speak, it was his role, as mykhailo kosiv says in his preface to er, one of the stoms of the ukrainian er, ten-volume vyacheslav chornovol, what was it? well, an unquenchable, unquenchable volcano, he didn't have

a free moment so that he could. we once went with him to the carpathians and that's where i say slavko , forget that you're a politician, forget it come on, let's go to a mountain somewhere, let's go up, er, and so on from those memories of er kosev about vyacheslav chornovil, or vyacheslav chornovil himself talked about the fact that kosiv was even a little afraid of this volcano chornovil we have at first these words of vyacheslav chornovol, let's see if he is right he will tell how the idea of ​​the ukrainian herald was born. why did he think that these separate, uh, self-publishing materials, which are out of hand, there is the poetry of vasyl simonenko, that we students passed everything to each other? and he has such a global idea. he only says that it is a full-fledged one, not some a small one like a chronicle of current events in moscow was published on one sheet of a4, where the information is there

, the search took place, everything was arrested. camps from which relatives who went there to visit their relatives were taken away. let vyacheslav tell it himself. let's listen to the summation of vyacheslav maksymovich chornovol. 60th year . when i came to galicia, i'm always proud there. i came here already prepared. here are the student years well, the atmosphere of the late 1950s at kyiv university gave us that charge of patriotism. i remember how on volodymyrskaya hill in kyiv, i swore to my fellow student, who was in his 60th year in the spring , that he would fight for the freedom of ukraine all his life, that is, preparation it was already six

the stormy sixties, which i would not like us to pass by with such bright figures of my friends as ivan svitlichnyi, already deceased , as ivan drach, as yevgeny sverstyuk, as alla gorska, as vasyl stus, and so on. there were repressions to which there was a very sharp reaction. intelligence, for which i was initially given the first prison term, this was before the ukrainian herald, so it is very interesting that for this book i received a prison sentence from the soviet authorities, received an international journalistic award in 1975, when i was in a concentration camp and among the things for which i received the shevchenko prize not long ago, two years ago, the main point was the book the trouble with the mind, different periods, different assessments, that is , there was already readiness, there was the first term. the idea that something should be done that could organize people around themselves into conscious ukrainianism. and then it was already a time of lull, repressions began, brezhnev came

to power, khrushchev's thaw ended. and then the thought came to mind that it was necessary to make a magazine just then in russia. to come out chronicling the events, these were such short messages about the repressions, i decided to do something else. and it was very good that i found the support of my friends then, and all this was done in a terribly conspiratorial way. helped in the publication of this magazine, it was really walking for about half or three years , walking on the edge of razors there or sabers or something like that and what is more interesting when i was arrested in january of 1972, then i was arrested together with a large group of the ukrainian intelligentsia, they suspected that i was publishing this magazine, but they could not prove it. yes, i was tried there with some kind of hint only in the sentence, by the way, he ended up abroad . how did we do it?

i really don’t have time for that right now, you see, but i used to get abroad through radio svoboda, i used to come back here in full, the magazine uh, yes, yes, yes, before you think, the book we are there and so on, and they couldn’t catch it. they were all-powerful, these so-called glorious chekists. i think it was very interesting and very like that. well, it’s uncomfortable for me to talk about it, but to some extent the heroic period of our activity is six. if you look at these times now, people will say, yes , you think, they used to make a magazine there, and what is it like but at a time when there was no statehood yet at a time when it was very forbidden it was very brave and even when information would even seem to be such a free time for information, then if you put it on those times, it was absolutely, it was facebook

, and that information was sent abroad and that information was sent abroad, and he and i talked about it very often, he says, well, eyes leaflets so it's important well there, well, dozens well, let's say a hundred people read it, we need the world to know about ukraine, and that's why, if uh, in the fragment that i advised you to give uh, as osyp zinkevich evaluates, it's a very good fragment, we can although now actually show it's just me, i already said it, we said it before the air, we talked to mr. yaroslav the day before yesterday or yesterday, and i said it, i want to repeat it now and for a larger audience about what i actually dream about, i dream about the time when in ukrainian history textbooks children will read about the events of the 1980s and 1990s, and there will be large sections dedicated to vyacheslav chornov as the actual founder

of the new ukrainian republic in 1991, and kravchuk will be mentioned somewhere in one line, who tried something there and about and won those elections which in principle rejected us because when kravchuk is welcomed in us as the founder of the ukrainian state - it is so historically wrong of an illegal life and when he lives in ukraine since 1992 in 1992 with his parents as a small child or was brought fleeing from the war russia and in abkhazia in georgia but he has been living here since the 90s and he does not know and says to himself what are these two moped grandfathers eh looking at stepan khmara and viktor shishkin who came to this solemn meeting for 30 years of independence these a huge problem because it is his words there are also many other ukrainians, voters, citizens of ukraine who do not want to know who, without whom, in fact, this ukraine would not exist and why

it was so important. by the way, you have pazynkevich. yacheslav chornovil for ukraine and for the world by the way, i will tell you this and this, if not for chornovil, if not for trouble with the mind and later heralds. i very much doubt who would have proclaimed the independence of ukraine. went wrong with a few tens of copies of the newsletters. but it was already spreading to millions of listeners of freedom voice of america radio, something was also broadcast to other stations, and chornovola had a vision of the future, how to reach independence, no one in those days, it was the 70s, believed that it would fall apart the most powerful country in the world, the soviet union, but i doubt that at that time and today this

small group of people who spread had more and more supporters both in lviv and in kyiv, and this process of fighting for independence by completely different means has already begun the value and uniqueness of vyacheslav chornovol of the ukrainian state is that he is one of the huge group of truly unique figures of our recent history who gave themselves and served 10-15 20 additional lukyanenko 27 years in prisons and camps all of them, without a doubt, put their share of work into the restoration of the ukrainian state, but such a seemingly simple but global idea, how can it shake the world and ukraine so much, but there you

were listening, i see the vision of the video. so, at that time , when we did it here the world was silent about ukraine it's as if ukraine didn't exist, but when aha, it's rush-rush, it means the world, even now , ukraine is opening up for itself. vyacheslav's idea was such that it was very important to break through this iron curtain and that information was the truth, this is our weapon, the word and the truth is the word of the truth. and here he is conceived even though it was a separate topic, as he says, a separate topic , andrii and i have somehow already said more than once that it should be made such a full-fledged full-blooded film about the history of the production and publication of the ukrainian herald because when the herald was published in print at his

at home in baltimore, he was already on radio svoboda, on the voice of america, less on the german wave, on the voice of the vatican, then the bulletin was translated into french-english-german, so that millions of people in the world learned what ukraine is like. by the way, i will leave it especially in honor of being familiar with that the same process of transmitting all that was there, or it was not simple , there were microfilms, and the collective sss was involved , which transmitted through oli. once upon a time, the first two or three numbers of the gazettes were printed in solonka, in my native village, in my house parents, and lyudmila sheremetyeva printed there, uh, the first three numbers, uh, well, then the most difficult and the most tedious job for me was to reprint the second copy, because the tissue paper, the typewriter ticks, the first copy, uh, the font is mutilated, and all

the special equipment, there is no illumination, so you have to do it several times i had to rephotograph constantly, the thought hangs over you, god forbid they jump or cysts , you already have 15 years of mordovian camps, or if the car is caught and they forget about it, a special, er, special criminal case has been opened by chekists under the code name block i on the 20th, uh, 20th well, everything is known when this group was around three hundred at once, but it seems, uh , on december 20, uh, from december 4, 200 , i invited him to the studio when i was on on the fifth channel, he introduced his program yevgeny kirilyovych marchuk, well, this is the general of the gb and so on . and we agreed with him, i brought him to be in the studio

on the live air, eh, that means to clarify in 92, eh, 92, when ot today, we are still celebrating this, remembering the sad date of the death of chornovol today, december 25 the security service of ukraine, the verkhovna rada, we passed the law on reforms to transform the kgb in the security service of ukraine in the verkhovna rada , a corresponding commission was created, headed by mr. mykhailo horyn pavlychko , such commissions were created for each region vyacheslav, our lviv service, kgb lvivske, some employees came and as a sign that they are ready to cooperate, vyacheslav is a people's deputy of ukraine and the head of the lviv regional council

, and they brought him various documents literally torn alive from those secret folders there were statements even from our environment, there were statements about cooperation, agreement about cooperation with the kgb, and very sometimes close people were all there , and a certain vyacheslav gathered us in his office and said, guys, friends, i want to consult with you. here i pull out a folder from the safe and pulls out a whole bunch of these documents and from the kgb greyhounds and they said i am most interested in one report of the lviv kgb kyiv and moscow eh in eh means in the fight against lviv dissidents and here we first learned what kind of cysts we were assigned the nicknames eh 'yacheslav uncompromising mykhailo kosiv e-e krot

yaroslav kendzyur is an athlete, and tena pashko, athena's hygiene, was very indignant that they could do all of them normally, and that's how you understand, well , they were athletes, in principle, and here it's interesting that when when aha, for example, ostafychuk eh ivan and eh artist oh forgot him eh the wife is the wife. she is a musician, a pianist, that is, they chose either professional affiliation or some external similarity, so i am an athlete because well, i played sports and all this on pashko hyena, i never understood. she was very indignant , this is very vyacheslav was always her

laughed means vyacheslav calmed down but nothing it's on but it's kind of courageous means an animal that can fight and bite and so on and they still decided to call it phyto and i remember this document. i say to yevhen kirilyovych, we don't have 30 minutes for the program. i say let's agree on this. give the audience a promise that on the next program we will talk in more detail about what a criminal case is. he told me that the central committee of the communist party was considering the issue the ukrainian herald is for the authorities, for moscow , for kyiv

, for the party bodies and the kgb. it was scarier than the atomic bomb. this ukrainian herald was the task of the kgb. these special operations block when several hundred , well, literally the whole world of the ukrainian national movement was arrested literally in one day in one day. the most interesting thing, let me say, was long before the first three issues of the ukrainian herald came out when we listened to the voice of america and freedom on the radio , we were happy, we were happy, we congratulated each other, mykhailo, me, i , mykhailo, but we met before uh, 69th, 70th year and with vyacheslav vyacheslav said i know that they will arrest me , they won't forgive me if they don't even find any evidence of my involvement, but if

the guys arrest me, you should publish the following when i'm behind bars, so that the last issue of the ukrainian herald is published and number six came out already at the end of january 1972, when vyacheslav was already arrested. and those arrests took place on january 12, 1972, and we were joking afterwards, vyacheslav, you have to expose the thing because we gave you at least five years from that the sentence was dropped because the mention of the herald was removed from the accusation vyacheslav chornovil lived for 62 years that is very little when we look at baida who is 80 years old and he is still a powerful politician nancy the vacuum cleaner 82 years old makes brave people like them no steps i take yacheslav chornovola, but his spirit, that's what but you said it very suddenly, as they say then , that it was a coincidence