[000:00:00;00] first of all, so to speak, this russian fearlessness there, this can be one of the stages of preparing for access, and in general, it is to raise the spirit of its future mobilizers so that here we are ready , here we are ready for everything and so on, but is it no one knows whether nuclear weapons are working in russia or not, because most likely they have already passed in many cases. this is propaganda

and it is precisely for the odesa purpose that they do such things message well, for example, if our partners in the united states finally informed us what will happen to russia if it uses practically nuclear weapons, no one informed lukashenko , then he can act in this way through his proxy through lukashenko, well , theoretically, there are several options for action if they decide to do it but in the end it can lead to the strike of high-precision weapons of our partners on nuclear targets and such i would , well, let's say yes, not with the probability of all

this is not zero. i would not say that it is not maybe where they can use it, they can use it both in order to instill fear in poland in europe and, let's say, to provide tactical support for a possible attack on ukraine, whether they will do it or not is unknown , most likely nothing what will be the benefit from the use of nuclear weapons are scarce for them, and the problems that this will be enough for them are very, very big, much more than there are even now , so hmm, it is logical not to use it, but only to use it as a similar one that happened together with medved, which he also did, but who knows what where is the logic in their heads and where are they if they had logic in their heads they would not have gone to this war at all, gentlemen, experts, we will thank you for this mykhailo prytula, military expert

yuriy gnati, spokesman for the air force command of the armed forces of ukraine, were in direct contact with us thank you again, we will move on auto khariton of the express block of eastern politics cardinator free on hong hugo center this is the ukrainian center of the free hong kong actor good evening good evening well, then, let 's start with what is happening now around sino-western relations and around the so-called chinese peace plan , we see quite an unexpected turn. by the president of ukraine zelensky what is not delayed is delayed water according to the words of the ukrainian president himself is not prepared so what is the real role of the people's republic of china all these stories, well actually

he is as if the main guarantor, the main sponsor, the main beneficiary of the war, this is the country that agreed to actually continue the saturation of the russian economy until the end of the war . the slightest thing was seen from the face of their economies, financial systems, and in fact china is taking a direct part in the war. it is, of course, not good for us regarding the visits of the western leadership, there is such an opinion that they will be able to look into the participation of zinfeng and see something other than chinese communism there, but i very much doubt that this is somehow will strongly change the general conjuncture. that is, there will be visits, they will try to convince china of something, but the cat is playing its own game, and this game is a ukrainian figure based on what sidin pin and putin agreed on . here is an example of joint information propaganda. i understand that that they signed documents that provide for information cooperation, the so-called memorandum on cooperation

between russia and a russian state-owned enterprise , which includes a number of mass media and chinese leading media of mass information, we will now have to counter not only russian propaganda, but also chinese propaganda, of course, and it was necessary to do something in the 18th year, when for the first time in vostok such an agreement was signed at the level between the russia today group and the tea media game. the chinese holding of the state-owned company that manages the ctv radio station, and in general, now we have agreements at the taz and sinha levels, and also a group that deals with satellites and all other russians according to mine. that is, in general, it is about the merger and their propaganda and this has been going on for a long time, moreover, they are still training their propagandists together and various information standards are being formed together. that is, these are processes

that have been at least five years old, but ukraine has not done anything about it, and in the end, i think it is time for us to think about sanctions on these companies, because it has already been proven that they not only spread russian propaganda, but also directly participate in these processes, that is, for example , they buy advertising in western social networks to spread russian narratives, and this is not new the story is just that they deepened it as much as possible and tell me, please, mr. artur, er, in er, in this situation of foreign policy , in general, we should believe in the conversation of dvinkin and volodymyr zelenskyi, it is definitely possible that such a conversation can take place, and i do not see anything wrong with it as a leadership, ukraine wants to voice the ukrainian position , to tell the ringing foam about the peace formula, which he probably did not hear, and actually we see support, including whitewashing, that

such a conversation took place and was heard in beijing the ukrainian position, but this will force sizinpin to admit that he heard ukraine's side, because he says that he is in touch with everyone and , in fact, about his peace plan, he is impartial , that is, he satisfies all sides. will take place but i have a big problem with the consequences of such a conversation. and the fact that he is not currently agreeing with the leader of china with volodymyr zelensky about a meeting means that beijing well does not want to play the role of such a constructive take into account the ukrainian position or is waiting for a certain moment in 2020, we saw that china cut them off ukraine's requests, this is not the first time that the president of ukraine has asked the head of china to hold such a telephone conversation in the last fall. the leader of the communist party of china. that is, it will be a kind of public slap to ukraine

. now we are waiting again. and we are making official statements again, but we have to see. and what will china be ready for, because we understand that in fact, he pursues only one goal, which is to support the russians. and tell me, in principle, how do you imagine that for sezenpin, after all , what is more important is the opposition to the measures or the interests of the chinese economy, that he ultimately chooses these related things. the question is what china is currently planning own war against tvaniya and the war against ivaniv will mean the complete isolation of the prc in the world, that is, according to the same model that we have today in russia, and this means that china, for the sake of its ambitions, has to give up the benefits of economic measures that is, this is a cold calculation. the question is that nowadays, according to the preliminary examination of the world analytical centers, it is relative to the west . it is necessary to look at what he prefers this visit or sisinpin to moscow. actually, there should have been an answer to this question, but we have seen

public agreements, and not public ones, we will see . i think for a week or months. by the way, putin, based on the results of his conversation with the dolphin, defined these talks as the highest stage of the development of sino-russian relations . in your opinion, this is too unequivocal, or is it the way it is? i think it is the way it is, that is, because we have never have seen such a level of relations between russia and china, but it is necessary to take into account that russia is directly dependent on china . that is, it is not a relationship between two equal players. and this is actually a handing over to russia of russian sovereignty of their interests to china. over russia and actually what russia will receive for this would be seen, for example, in the new geopolitical doctrine that they adopted, in their statements that all russian geopolitical interests

are now in the rubric of the interests of the communist the party of china is there for world politics, for russia we have a place left, it will perform the functions of a kind of chinese satellite, just as belarus performs the functions of a russian satellite, the only essentially international issue on which russia is fixated is the war in ukraine and they are ready to surrender everything to betray it what do you think in principle how do you think china looks at ukraine as a country that can exist, but for this it must get good relations with the russian federation, then it can have good relations with china or as a territory that sooner or later must be puzzled by moscow, what kind of view do you think the chinese, wait with your hands, look at ukraine not as a subject, that is, he defines ukraine as a part of russia, and this was followed in all his steps in recent years, for example, you can look at the structure of the hierarchy and chinese embassies, where actually the central the embassy in relation to ukraine is the embassy in moscow, and our embassy is secondary and has the same appointment. we received it a few years ago when the first deputy

ambassador of the people's republic of china, khmer, became the ambassador of china to ukraine. this is, of course, embarrassing and in general chinese propaganda constantly emphasizes the offensive of the objectivity of ukraine, talks about external management, and that is, everything that we heard from the russians. well, i will by all means reinforce this narrative that it was not russia that attacked ukraine, but that nato will be a video against the russians, what was announced in within the framework of such economic cooperation, if it can be called that, russia will use the yuan in trade not only with china, but with other asian and not only countries, this is more a plus for russia or for china. of course, this is a plus for china because look, the ruble is worth nothing anymore, we have the yuan, in fact, the currency that in russia is almost the main one in our 50% of the stabilization fund of the russian federation, that is, the fund from which russia takes money for the war, where the coverage of such

expenses consists of yuan, that is 60%. 20% ruble 20% gold is already about something, then we see how russian state companies drop bonds in ua, now russia has volunteered to enter into economic relations with third countries in yuan in general, and even before mishustin promises to introduce electrons in ua, this is a very dubious story actually produced in the people's republic of china, against which the united states opposes it. well, of course, this should cause concern to everyone, because in fact the central currency in russia is now the yuan and the ruble. if you think about the future development of events , under what conditions can china supply weapons to russia? do you imagine such a development of situations in general? yes, i imagine it to myself, but it directly depends primarily on the issue of china's isolation or the white house of nato , the european union, it is generally a sit down democratic style, the holders said that it

will definitely be a crossing of the red line, i.e. the introduction of sanctions against china itself, if it is not ready for this at the moment, it will not directly supply weapons, at least heavy weapons, but of course it can try to use various proxies to transfer certain secondary weapons, for example, drones or even some missiles, and for this it can use belarus or the northern it is quite real for korea, especially considering that lukashenko was recently in beijing and they also signed similar agreements there . thank you, mr. artura artur kharyatunok expert far eastern policy coordinator, free hong kong, the center of the ukrainian center, free hong kong well, you see, angelica, the situation is such that many people underestimate this chinese, but he is not one of them. jose is a fighter to say that the visit of the chinese president to moscow is a risk of nuclear escalation from below, as putin said that he

is ready to actually deploy nuclear weapons in er, to the republic of belarus, and this is also a good question, to what level can the level of escalation of the war by russia reach if it feels china's back behind it? it's just sino-ukrainian relations on your behalf not a subject for china, i agree but i think that for many people in our politics they believe that they will be able to come to an agreement with china, this is approximately the kind of faith they showed when they thought that they would be able to come to an agreement with russia, and now they are essentially on russia's place is not only them. many of our compatriots in this coma are not profitable now, or it is not possible to consider that it is possible to negotiate with russia, because the negotiations are not at the right time , they will say that we must listen to china, that we must deal with china, or katya

can give money for our development is all that well, now let's talk what about yuriy, a black man, a ukrainian, a philosopher, a sniper, he is an interesting topic. yes, he will discuss with us precisely religion, which means a problem to endure. i apologize. congratulations to yurii . please forgive them, so let's talk about what, in general, you think will happen on tuesday in the lavra. what do you think? well, the fact is that this is simply the date on which the contract is actually terminated and the terms of the year expire, and accordingly, the eviction of the monks from the territory of the lavra will not necessarily take place on the 29th, it is possible for them will be given or some time, that is, well, let's see, but i think that until the annunciation, that is, by april 6 to 7, they will move out, but

the governor pavlo clearly said that they are not going to have fun. they consider this decision illegal and they call on the parishioners of this church. well, i don't know whether to riot or to support them in some way, i don't know how he specifically addressed them there, but you expect people to start gathering and protesting, well, we used to organize processions every year. well, it's clear that this is their policy, politics deliberately as confrontations conscious accusations, that is, it should be said here that well, for example, they came under the administration of the president instead of going there to the epiphany in michaelmas or going to the ecumenical patriarch there where they can really solve their problems. and you . if, say, the president met without them , they still protested they would say that

they didn't hear us. and now, well, they created such a picture on monday. now, accordingly, there will be some events related to the fact that the term of their use of the lower lavra expires, and they will also try organize all kinds of protests on sunday, show that they have a huge number of people on tuesday, accordingly, organize something grandiose, too. well, for now, thank god, the national police, the territory of the lower lavra, is completely , absolutely controlled, and i think that our special services have a lot of experience, respectively, positive confrontation with any what kind of mass events, what kind of provocations, so that everything will be normal in the whole world, this happens when , for example, from france, some radicals

are evicted and they also gather there for their support the person, then they are still evicted, nothing terrible happens. and how will this situation develop further? what do you say? will they all leave ? what will they do next? no. the fact is that this is not the only case. systemically and now, similar processes are taking place in chernihiv, where the moscow patriarchate has to leave two churches that belong to the reserve, and in general , accordingly, there are already 3,000 contracts for the use of one or another structures on the territory of ukraine or for other reasons, they can all be torn down, the investigations led by the ukrainian orthodox church are more diverse there, and we see how, for example , yesterday at one of the checkpoints

, the former archbishop of paumansky was stopped there, this is one of those people close to antony. not yet pantelima, well, now he is the archbishop of buchan, and here we remember the massacre was in buchan. the irony is that the fate of this bishop of buchan of the moscow patriarchate is there , according to all the correspondence that he would have gone without i would also like to go to moscow, but he is kept there in an apartment, clothes, something else, and there is other correspondence and, accordingly, if it is clear that these measures will continue and we will see what the next measures are because the bishops who are deprived of ukrainian citizenship must leave the territory of ukraine. this is about 15 people and accordingly, well, there will be protestants before that and from now on, accordingly, i believe that the verkhovna rada will adopt a law that

prohibits any kind of ties with the moscow patriarchate, and then there will be such a critical situation that the law will not all the communities of moskovskiy and many in ukraine will lose the use of churches, and it will be quite interesting. that is, they will exist, but they will not be able to use the church, and accordingly, i consider this to be the case, if not the only example. well, for example, when in bulgaria the state tried to push the churches to unify once the orthodox came there, they were given two months, they did not unite , the orthodox came to the sunday liturgy, and the national police in bulgaria closed all the churches in bulgaria, it's like all of them, and then quickly in a few weeks they made a second attempt for

the mediation of the patriarch in the greatness took united, that is, anything can happen and i would go to the process. we see that everything is going peacefully so far, so far there are no such oppressions of religious freedom or something else, that is , people really a huge number on the territory of the lavra did it all the historians there, the employees of the reserve and so on knew all this, well, they did not show them all the violations , only those that cannot be denied, and accordingly, on these grounds, they evicted further under yanukovych, it was absolutely the opposite, remember some cultural objects were expelled from there, even in the hospital, the hospital. yes, and it was such a terrible phenomenon in general. and they wanted to give the top laurel and, accordingly, well, so much, in accordance with the opposition

. yes, in principle, they wanted to take the entire upper laurel for their own use, well, it is under yanukovych, it is clear that it was the maximum of such a privileged position of the moscow four house in ukraine, but it should be said that it was also under all other presidents, that is, if we take, for example statistics and there, even for m.m. about ukrainian presidents, we take yushchenko or poroshenko there and look there by year to whom the most land was allocated, to whom the most premises were transferred, it is always the moscow patriarchate, that is, in one way or another , there was always cooperation, especially on the ground, between officials and let's say in the moscow patriarchate well, today such an era has come, it is very unusual for them that they have taken away the right to inviolability and said to the stars, you broke the law, let's answer

for them, this is a cultural shock, what is such a concept they are not used to responsibility at all. they say that they were worried about the laurel and took care of all these possessions, but in fact , even if you take it from elements in public access, there is information that from 1988 to the 21st - this is what the nearby caves were checked four times were faced with a serious and real threat of destruction, this is not only about one of the objects, but funds were allocated to them, in particular under yanukovych , the most, of course, 60 million uah for reconstruction every time the budget was adopted , that is, it is not a small amount of money every year. and where they were spent on pavel's mercedes, on his. by the way, i once wrote an interview in his prisons with him and there, well, excuse me, you can do without those leather sofas there

, almost made of, you know, some last antelope in this world, or made of crocodiles and mahogany the tables are all in gold, diamonds, and so on, i'm not talking about this watch, his cars, his palaces, where did he come from in the criminal justice department, where did he get this money, he's a monk, he doesn't have property , he can't have anything. well, he used it, he used it, but it's not his property is true mr. yuriy a monk cannot have anything, a monk cannot have anything according to church laws with canonical laws, but this does not mean that in reality the monk has nothing, there were investigations according to the fact that we have a wide variety of bishops who own a variety of real estate there and so on. and this applies not only of the moscow patriarchate and, accordingly, other church structures. well, unfortunately, the reality is that the canons

are violated, well, especially. of course, those who speak most about the need to observe the canons there and so on. well, that is here is the moscow patriarchate in ukraine, then they violate the largest, in particular, process of enrichment, it is clear that a huge amount of money came not only from money laundering during work on the territory of the money reserve, but a huge amount of money was found for the fact that well, for example, to baptize a child there with bishop pavlo, it cost $ 10,000 it was necessary to donate, but many people eventually fell asleep and baptized him as such a sorcerer who was promoted and, accordingly, once again , vladyka pavlo was very successful in extorting money from

putin. there was a scandalous story when accordingly, at first the state paid for the murals of the assumption cathedral completely absolutely, and the people who painted in the cathedral were already working . he collected money for the murals of the infantry for the second time, then the third time he took putin’s money for the murals of the assumption cathedral, and accordingly, when this situation fell asleep, lenin danilovich i was in shock and said simply what are you doing. and only the intercession of lyudmila kuchma saved his pavla from being thrown out of the lavra, and accordingly, now such an era of all kinds of such intercession has ended, people are standing before the historical responsibility and what they did with the monuments of our culture well, let's say it's really terrible , especially let's say it's closer to western ukraine, because our baroque churches were being rebuilt, they were being rebuilt into these

lubachnyi, theirs, these russian domes, yes, they were taken there, for example, in one of it seems that the remains of the princes of ostrava were thrown out of the monasteries of imna and so on, and so on. all these people absolutely do not deserve anything except what belongs to them. the law should be applied, and since, for example, in september 14, they introduced a systematic systematic information war against ukraine , now all the events around the lavra, everything that is happening, they are using again for a systematic war against ukraine on all domestic and international platforms, so people must be attracted accordingly to responsibility, this is not some fringes, this is now the purposeful policy of their church and

everything that was achieved before the ukrainization of the moscow patriarchate in ukraine under metropolitan volodymyr, all this was simple completely destroyed, and these people are actually now on the side of the liar, let's say at least in the information war around ukraine and russian events, respectively. they should bear historical responsibility for this, and the right to be responsible for all this. and tell me, madam , what do you think, why is metropolitan onufriy another member ? the senad was simply refused by a sense of self-preservation, i am not saying that there is any historical role in the understanding of the moment, just a sense of self-preservation. they could have acted completely differently and they tried to act differently in imitation. they did not go to a real break with the moscow patriarchate, well, some agreements with constantinople of their own that would allow it to enter into the negotiation process with the ptu, why did they remain russian dogmatists, that

is, when did this great russian-ukrainian war begin, they had vacillations, we remember two facts, the first facts - it is the fact that the kyiv metropolitanate formed a delegation to the fanar for the second fact that is known to everyone is that they held a cathedral in the theophany where mentions of the moscow patriarchate died out except for the mention of the charter of the 90th year, which is extremely important which made it possible to prove that they still remain an integral part of the moscow patriarchate and, accordingly, if they wavered until they met with novinskyi, and accordingly, when this meeting with novinskyi took place, after that it happened to the son on november 23 where they stated that there are no collaborators in the occupied territories, all those who are there in the occupied

territories are all heroes, and accordingly , even the people who sat there in the kremlin have not been punished until now, although the byzantine canon flows clearly states that if there are sands put uh on the side of the barbarians who attacked your ukraine, and he should be automatically expelled himself even without a church court, here people are accordingly held, the synod meeting was recently yes well, then on the day when they went to zelensky, they again uh no removed from the uoc, they did not punish with eruptions the honor of those who betrayed the occupied territories, who sat in the kremlin, and so it is absolutely obvious that people succumbed to some persuasion of navinsky, and