[000:00:00;00] constantly in lasagna where to communicate directly with the representatives of the executive committee and the representatives of the international olympic committee regarding this situation, to convey their position, to invite them to ukraine, as they once invited mr. bach, he was here, there , zelensky talked and so on. we have two representatives in the international alpine committee, mr. bubka by the way, i haven't seen him make such a public statement about the current situation mr. barzov and these people who are definitely influential at this level they also have to communicate in some way, we are open athletes are definitely open and in the plan that if klych is there, i was sure that half of the fat national teams will come to this lausanne and make a rally and report that there in the same kateryna tabachnyk, she died , she died from the market blow of

the russian federations, that is, and what kind of discrimination against russians can we talk about at the moment, when half of our sports infrastructure is simply destroyed, destroyed, uh , half of the athletes are outside their homes or simply relocated there from different regions there to some safer a part of our country, friends, relatives were lost in this war, that is, what did we not do, they just wonder what we should have done before this, show the video let's work simply i want to understand simply that i don't know that is, there is no just from the video if we did no one i don't really want to show the audience a video made by channel 1+1 together with ukrainian athletes calling for the exclusion of russia and belarus from the olympics . let's watch it, let's continue our

interesting conversation between russian and belarusian athletes to the olympic games in paris here under a neutral flag, this is a way out of the situation for russian and belarusian athletes, these medals that they can win at tournaments can be brought home and promoted under the russian flag. while russian and belarusian athletes are silent about the crimes of their countries, ukrainian athletes are dying for freedom and independence of the country on the battlefield , our population continues to kill our people , to destroy civil and sports infrastructure, irpin, mariupol, romanchuk , vinnytsia, dnipro, my native mykolaim, and everyone

peaceful cities that under the crosshairs of russia, russian athletes must also feel the consequences of their country's actions and that is why they should not be allowed to participate in international competitions. we must do everything to prevent russian athletes from competing because we cannot stand by while the war athletes for 50 and perform in the same sports halls, we must unite together with our partners together with our allies in this matter and prove this decision to be silent. and it is absolutely shameful in terms of the development of russian propaganda. athletes are for all athletes are for and we are talking about the fact that something should be done, but i remembered the discussion and a month or two ago, when they started to find out, because serhiy bubka represents ukraine while in the international olympic committee, they discovered that he represents himself as a natural person, so well here is such and such a format, they are members of the international russian committee, they are not representatives of the country, but they are just natural

persons who for certain achievements there in certain areas, including in sports students to the international alpine committee who is the representative of ukraine there is no such thing but serhii nazarevich bubka i hope that he has a ukrainian passport and this is already and this and this and this is already a reason for there to be at least some kind of pro-ukrainian position there i want to point out more about the previous question , what we could have done, what we should have done, absolutely. a committee in which, despite the fact that in general mr. sushkevich was removed from the ranks of this committee, representatives of russia and belarus were banned a few months ago, and now the question of their return is not even raised. that is, we have two organizations that

essentially perform plus-minus one very uh well in globally the same function , i.e. participation in the olympic and paralympic games in one. now we have 28 votes where it will be true to uh to raise questions about the involvement of russians and belarusians and in it's not enough that such questions are not brought up at all, so even a few months ago they removed the representatives of russia and belarus from the ranks of that organization, serious behind-the-scenes work , valery mykhailovych sushkevich himself appears to have declared this at the meeting of our committee or at the general assembly of the national committee. what is this? there will be no e-persons coming just like that, if you, we are children, just stamp letters to various federations there to various representatives of the governments of various countries. this is

very good. you yourself understand who is special and how do they read the letters and directly behind the scenes work and er delivering the necessary narratives specifically about the ukrainian ones that preceded this decision, she gave her results then we had to travel we had to communicate we had to live there we had to talk it is possible to get involved in the sooner how he will do this i want to ask about this compromise option , which is proposed to create a team of refugees , what is it, what is it, why are these compromises? there is a certain team that will come out and the fact is that there is no athlete from the russian federation who trains there and whose family and close people live there, they will definitely not do such things about

condemnation in the so-called so-called if and if they are offered such options, well, you won't finish it, i think it might be the international secretaries , the olympic committee should speak up , for example, say that you are going abroad, let's launch you should make a statement on the wall that you are not you support politically, it is possible hypothetically if the athletes can work it out or not, even if not, the question does not arise at all , because no one raises this topic at the level of international resources to raise it well, this is a question for the national committee, who should be the main communicator, friends. look, what is an athlete yes, this is a person who , well, athletes who prepare and take part in the olympic games. this is a professional athlete who has to spend money and resources to have sites for training when he is on of the territory of russia says that i am against this war, calls the war a war, then instead of preparing for the olympics

, he will go to the mountains. they go their their country had no finances they returned home i'm sure some certain commercial tournament yes they can earn tennis tennis players they do the same i remember at the olympics a girl she has never been to russia at all, she spoke because she was there, she represented this country there. but these are isolated cases, if she does not feel any threat to her loved ones there, who are free to live and live on the territory of the russian federation , if she she really thinks so, it's hypothetical , she can say it, and if it were spelled out in the criteria for the inclusion of representatives from the russian federation in the olympic games, then yes, but, well, these are similar cases, i don't think that this is considered at all at the international level

of the olympic committee, that is, for this you have to come and say yes. okay, yes, i know that. well, the president of the national security , i know that you want to be on the sidelines, in the kuluan, the conversations are going on there, in any case, you want to participate. let's work out the criteria for who has the right to participate in the international games to be a representative of this country and what responsibility should the sportsmen who posted photos on their social networks have to bear? what should the sportsmen who stood directly next to putin with olympic medals bring in alpine language to all the symbols that athletes from russia have to declare before they have the opportunity to sign something that they condemn the actions of the kremlin. they are against this war. it is possible and if they have a list of actions that they should do, i am sure

that even we will not worry about the fact that the russians will be included in the olympic games, because they will definitely not go for it, but the national olympic committee discussed such an idea. everything is right there, you are right there from the registration, which does not concern such a deeply professional discussion, because, but, is there much sense at all in squeezing some kind of condemnation of russian aggression out of these athletes when they actually do not feel it? if these same athletes did not do this at all once voluntarily yes well, we can imagine that they are there under the pressure of circumstances and so on and so on and so on, but if they really do not condemn why is this a question of squeezing, it is a question of leaving some there is a certain possibility for an athlete to still go to the olympics and remain an athlete after leaving russia. if he does not support russia and russian aggression so much, then he

, being an athlete, can be in any other country, i think that they can gladly accept him, he can perform under another flag that's the same maybe, but it's a matter of moral choice yes, of course there will be victims, of course i will be a victim, and in soviet times, how many were there who simply fled the soviet union and these people? no, i don't remember anyone disappearing there. yes, and then everything i regretted life, there is simply a solution, now this is a matter of moral choice. is it still a question of more than that? well, let's say life 's material and so on. yes, two questions from the first. i will answer your question about whether they run away. well, how do they run away? there are simply different reasons, i don't think that the lion's share of those who leave think that yes, i condemn putin's actions there, what is happening is happening in

ukraine, they are not satisfied, that's why i will leave , mostly it is because the level of competition is high we now have france for there, slovakia for hungary, well, the representatives of the caucasus mainly, that is, these countries are interested in taking them because it is there, well , a large percentage of the fact that he will take an olympic medal for the competition because at the level in the caucasus and when the level the competition is crazy, and only one from the russian federation is competing in the category. and yes, we already have half of europe, in fact, representatives of the caucasus. and there they are among themselves a powerful school of wrestling. yes , there are many. this is a traditional sport, so you understand, and that is why they resemble a state what kind of sportsmen are constantly in relation to your question, that is, it is individual and you know. i want one case when an athlete condemned

publicly in football, there were cases in football, we have guys, yes, a soccer player who actually performs abroad performs yes, she performs abroad, i believe she condemned and she i'm sorry. i'm for it. i just forgot her last name. she is a football player of the russian national team. she said i will not play and i condemn her. she constantly declares this in her social networks. this video is probably why she may or may not be able to return to russia. in the near future, some more questions, that is, i am leading to the point that moral choice is not free of course it happens of course they have to make some sacrifices but that is the meaning of moral choice in this regard , because we see the case of this girl who advocates border. me too. i saw this information. i don't know the nuances there, but we can only speculate about what interests she has inside her homeland, but when you

are directly in russia, all your relatives and friends are in russia, that is, the price of your words here is a sportswoman who played for some russian club and was in russia, she had a different size, no, it is clear that you understand what it is to be aware , just that you know the zone, the olympic committee is looking for a way out of the situation in order to give them the opportunity well, everything- so that they don't accuse them later that you have discourilized us and everything is correct, they can tell that this is not the olympics, what kind of olympics, they didn't let us in, they allow them, they only do what i suggested right there and what history at the moment, we are not talking about the olympics, we are talking about international competitions, in principle, because the olympics are held under the guidance of the international after the committee, and at the moment, a year ago, the international alpine committee recommended that the international federations not allow their representatives , but now the international olympic committee

should this gap if it wasn't uh before the olympic year, but i just insist that the federation council still make their decision and they will make their decision, well they make this decision uh looking back at the recommendations of the international olympic committee as financing of credit when the imf imf says a great country , we will give money and all institutions can be invested yes the same is an advisory function which, in principle , must be carried out so it is not necessary that we see the president of the international fencing federation, that is we saw that they voted to allow and no one can say anything to them even in international committees, but mainly because many representatives of the heads of international federations are members of the international of the olympic committee and it will be for sure. well, how can i draw it? from their point of view, it will not be correct to jump over the head with an interplanetary drone after the committee, that is, they

are also there, if they perform a certain function and they ask him a question. approach in general to one place, that is, there is a question about football. i suggest you take a break from the rush of our clarifying questions. well, they are conversations. i want to ask you about uefa. the hungarian football federation announced that it has received permission from uefa to use the symbols of the great hungary where marked lands that belonged to hungary before the first world war, including the territory of today's ukraine, part of uefa , how much is it a structure that today is apolitical and independent, well, what can it be? well, we will talk about the international sub-committee, and you, uefa, are huge they say the money may be the police told me that they gave up gazprom's money , they gave up the state no

, they gave up on russian, not strong. they are outstanding athletes, the loss of russia for football , it does not bring anything from a sporting point of view. she will lose in the interests of the football championship , she will not lose the champions league, she will not lose in the sports, it cannot be missed because the olympiad features different athletes who represent different cross-country federations, but in general well, there are quite a lot of sports where russians can be have a predominant importance for and somewhere they do not have at all somewhere of course and for football it does not matter at all, you understand, there is no importance except for money, that is, sports interest russia does not win anything, it never gets anywhere, it is considered you know, if the country had a sports plan, well, give us money and everything has already been understood by these people and these teams and these structures that it is necessary to look for alternative alternative opportunities in

order to function without russian money so that we don't lose anything to the sense of sports then let's look for where we can replace it with money and in principle they are looking for these opportunities and they find these opportunities where they are opportunities now there are a lot of american businesses that enter because they want to build the same system as american football uh, and baseball should be built in the same way with european football, that is , practically all the clubs are now prominently owned by the americans, chelsea was bought by the americans, well abramovich, you can justify that the americans bought there now manchester united is being sold, americans are buying, that is, money is coming in and now there is no such influence . i somewhere consciously understand that here, too, there is probably politics at one time . yes, here is russia, here is america. well, we understand that somewhere by a flag they understand that there is a war in ukraine, and this flag is not just a flag some this is our historical there historical flag you see this too i think not a strong football player er football player plays football i want to tell you what day some some some some meanings some

uefa decisions they are not quite clear to me well for example, last year we declared that we need well, we want to stuff every country has the right to stuff a servant of ours stuffed glory to ukraine glory to the heroes glory to the unifa banned glory to ukraine left glory to the heroes removed yes no left then allowed somewhere on the collar allowed somewhere there something was banned but this one here, but the flag, they allowed it to be the territory of crimea, they approved everything on it, they make some decisions at their own time, i can’t tell you, uh, hmm, do you know exactly why this decision was made, so i understand as far as i can i read this information that it is not only ukrainian lands there, they are already talking about the fact that it is a big hungary there, half of austria is there, half of czechoslovakia is there, of course it is here. where certain ethnic groups of people live

. well, we will not rule out that we have a certain group of hungarians in transcarpathia. how many football players we have? national team of ukraine for the national team of the soviet union back in the day. that is, it is not for me to explain to you some of the decisions of uefa today in view of politics. they are not clear to me, but what is now. at this stage of uefa. er, to return russian football in general, because in terms of sports , they do not get anything, they do not lose anything if they are not there. well, the interest is the level of broadcasting, the level of money that comes there from italy, from spain, from england, from america, it is not the only thing that will decrease is that they lose sponsorship, but they survived, everyone was worried about how they survived this champions league because , for example, there, well, the clubs will receive 40 million euros for entering the champions league , there are 24 clubs there, everyone must pay it. that is , it is a lot of money, but somewhere they were able they were able to, they were able to, they were able to do it because of this financing, that is, there is no dependence on russia now, and i am inclined to believe that in the near future, you see , even there, the russians are already looking for

an opportunity, we will go to asia, well, go to asia , but fifa banned them there, too, and more one very important point, so why not, jean, i am with you, well, i completely agree with myself, there is personal contact, personal work, as a russian , they qualified somewhere. last year , it was very simple. a full-scale invasion is coming to poland , the captain of the polish national team is coming oh, yes, honestly , he has a ukrainian wife, he plays for juventus, a rather serious character both for poland and for european football, he is coming to gather football players he says we will not go to play and based on 16 football players, i say we will not go to play and something must be done here, i.e. disqualify the poles who will not go to play . well, they will raise a very big riot after that. fifa simply didn't matter anymore, there was no possibility, as you know, there was no way out

, then all teams should be disqualified in order for russia to get on the very and that 's personal personal work behind the scenes work working with people it's not letters it's not that what are we writing here, you there, please disqualify a person who came and says we are not, we will not go. these are the statements of ukrainian athletes, but they must be at the international level and have the face of internationally recognized athletes. i understand that someone should push it, someone should e- to project when when the topic will be that there will be a boycott of the olympics if russia and belarus go there, then no one will go there except for example iran, north korea, russia, belarus well , then it could be an influence, it's unreal and a more real story if we just... is were able to form a certain number of countries that stand in solidarity

with our tragedy and with and against this war . well, now poland is staunchly supporting the baltic countries there. well, expand this coalition, since there are now 152 countries. well, i don't know in what kind of sport is it? well, if the international pp-committee realizes that by adding belarus and russia, they automatically lose 15 european countries there or there, i don’t know, the united states will join there or become a serious player at all. that’s it, of course. they definitely thought about the occasion and is it worth it, even taking into account some financial resources of sponsorship and everything else ? and when they join two countries and lose one ukraine. well, i think that there are two minutes left here, this is an example of what we should have done, what happened in football when

just she supports me cool new this is an example we just won't go this is me imagining how he is at home well his wife met that he packed his things threw the team came gathered football players and we say we won't go again you understand i mean this is very important very important contact here i just know for a long time valery mykhailovych serhiyevich i know his capabilities are diplomatic and in general well, how much of him do you know if in this plan because for many years the most important thing is the result so he was very reminiscent of years comments he has been leading the olympic e-e movement of ukraine for many years now and it is safe that he there is very well, as a politician, he is of a very good level . well, in the same way , we say, that is, two organizations with the same structure, one species in one. so i understand that we already have a lot when the olympic committee will make a decision on the 28th, it will be recommendations, yes, in fact, recommendations, and

after that, after these recommendations, there will be meetings directly of the international federation for various sports and where they will decide with their executive committee so that recently athletics, as mentioned here before the publication of these recommendations, they determined that they , for the time being, support the suspension well , hockey is the same, yes, hockey is, but we we all understand that if there will be three recommendations, if there will be a shaft, and then the russian foresters will be admitted, and we understand that there will be tremendous pressure on these presidents of these federations, who are currently holding on to the post, because they have already been precedents, and everyone will show, well, look, a-

and there in i don't know, there in gymnastics they allowed synchronized swimming, wrestling, they allowed it directly , it's discrimination and everyone will be a sin to fly at that president who took a clear position about ukraine, that is, the main thing here at the moment is for this recommendation to continue and therefore the president who holds the ukrainian position in the international federations will be will be easier to hold on to this resistance . it makes sense to turn at least to our sports leaders yes. months, several months, we, directly at our committee of the verkhovna rada, we sent inquiries to mr. bubka regarding the fact that he should simply demonstrate his public position because we don't know anything no no, unfortunately, that's it this is this. well, we are already losing. why is this a legendary athlete who has taken such a position at this stage? it is not very good. we do not know what position he has taken, so

we ourselves. if you worked, we simply do not know him. and what to focus on because when there was a story about an invasion of a large-scale, we didn't know what to do for 8 days olympic families. that is, we athletes communicated with each other, we ask. and where are there any instructions from the national olympic committee only when the athletes started calling serhii nazarovych, you ask what what should we do? how should we react? can you at least say something? the appeal came out when he said that trouble had come to us. well, everything else is left to wait for a few days already. i just want to understand. well, what? well, where has the year gone? well, you communicate. well, serhiy in we are now bubka, but i don’t communicate with him, but someone communicates with them, there are some people, everyone is filtered and what they say , what is his position, what does he do, what does he do, i don’t know. let’s put an end to this, i would really like to develop this topic

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