[000:00:00;00] ex -adviser to the secretary of state of the united states, former director of european and eurasian affairs in the case of us national security goodless america glory to ukraine glory to heroes, now our guest will be mark feigin, a figure of the russian opposition in emigration, ex-deputy of the state duma iconic video blogger glory to ukraine mark i congratulate you as a hero glory to all hello, viewers of the channel plus anton well, for a long and boring time we dragged the carcass of sizinpin around russia in our teeth for almost three days, we met with him and discussed and so on. well, in fact, we saw that russia is confidently becoming a raw material an appendage of china yes, but about the rest of the cases, in particular, about the affairs of the military and the affairs of the so-called diplomatic settlement, xi jinping remained silent, they were silent about this case

in the kremlin, too. well, i think that here are two important conclusions, of course two central conclusions that can be made. china's goals in relation to russia have been achieved, he actually received russia in the box office , a series of appendages. ограннии тыкстазии and so on . this was expressed both in public and in general secrets. even if someone says that you will elect him next year , it doesn't matter what he is like as the president, it doesn't matter what the circumstances are, and it's not diplomatically acceptable from

the point of view of a political lack of opinion. morally and politically, he says, he will be, oh , you know, we’re still not going to decide, and so on. well, it’s called turning on a fool, but it’s paid late, as they say, of course, yes, well, the owner told you, i ’ll leave it to you. and here they won’t play it back and here they won’t say that oh no you know we are different partners and so on putin himself speaks he says we are jealous we envy you yes it’s directly him i choose quotes china he envies okonstatatsy of what russia is in power now there is a traitor about the chinese party, all of putin has stopped being distracted by rhetoric, talk, you know

, you don’t know what it is about, you know, it’s mind- blowing . it seems to you. it became mainstream a couple of years ago before the full-scale russian invasion, and so on. and so on. i remember very well that you and i outlined this scenario that, in principle, would absorb a significant part of the so-called of russian sovereignty and now the second part of this visit is that china is claiming a greater geopolitical role in international relations . canons there for a few weeks , the signature agreement between the tehranians or poison and the old sworn enemies, and china has not passed through you, polish, we , we tried

on the fonts. the east is agreed too much is not worth it, here are these conversations about what forever means between the saudi area and tehran , there are no more contradictions. in parts of the world and here , as if he, uh, decided to speak on this story . in what sense, if you manage to represent yourself further in this capacity , then everyone will then turn to china for a solution to these international problems as the mediator for the fragmented has influence on moscow in particular, but we were early, by the way, you also had an almost decisive influence on this issue , and this will be successful, and the fact that, in principle, moscow, yes , and kiev is comprehensible. regulation is not according to its rules, in general, they refused any possibility of peace negotiations, it did not hurt china much

, but the visit was smeared because even in the canon of the visit, it does not even indicate the date, the chinese country declared that it would be about peace in ukraine, and the negotiations would work in ukraine you the rest of the questions have long been resolved about the sadness of the self-destruction of the political subject of russia, the questions have long been resolved, that's what you're discussing , what concrete forms have been fixed there - this is to take a video at the same time in the vestin company's son's office, remember, eh, she owned india , eh, it means colonial the politics of the british empire played a role in this, or something else . i will prove it to you. well, i want to say that we can't communicate with them after four, and then there were six. i think they talked longer than that behind closed doors. doors, but i think they met there in the evening in magazines and so on . i think they didn’t show it to us. well, it wasn’t concluded , including their negotiation via video conference with zelenskiy, evidence that they will discuss something, even more so. by the way, i was surprised that putin

howled we met in the plan, about whom the chinese are talking about the plan by example . these are the 12 declarative points that were published annually by the chinese country. well, there is no plan, this is not a plan - this is the principles and the first point. it will be exhausted in general. recognition of the international right to statehood ferrinitet international recognition of the border and if we are talking about ukraine, the same as the russian border, no one, sorry, did not violate it, so what are the rejectors to accept - this is a declaration that must be made without a country such as russia as a permanent member. of peace, stability, and security, everything in the world, mmm. i don't remember whether piskov or someone or ryabkov promised to come back after the meeting, so to speak, we all zimpin and putin, and if they didn't, they didn't make two points public here or didn't agree on anything or

agreed on everything and decided to do this work quietly you know what to do quietly, yes, quietly , nothing. it will be successful and no chinese plan will be successful anymore, there will be a western plan, the american plan will fail, or it will choke or will not reach the maximum goal , who will probably return to some kind of mediation by china, i allow it, which will represent russia, whose name will speak for china, america is what they think they want to solve the global problem and security, but i somehow do not think that even if under the plan they assume some kind of general concession in moscow, that they want, well, like

leaving crimea partially there, donbass the rest, we leave there, but the conditions for ukraine entering are necessary. but it’s not pleasant, no one accepts here. another important aspect is the western partners from the west . i really like the follow-up of china. you have an enemy he is from one north korea here they decide to decide and you are going to uh, so to speak, eastern europe to be engaged in something what are you not stepsons and a hat, you know, as in principle, as it usually does not react, well nevertheless, this is a position, the request does not want to see the chinese negotiator, peacekeepers, etc. well, it is understandable because china disputes the first place of the american, three things in the world, and on the other hand , it is true that china has suddenly turned into an equal partner of the west in the collective demand, and it is not only the united states это всё вместе, like how china depends on this trade turnover of the usa or, er, europe

, first of all, it therefore does not agree to these requests, of course, tomorrow it is an ally of ukraine, ukraine protects its own souvenir why about ukraine and not everyone uses the opportunity that the question arises from the military , economic, political, geopolitical, and so on, this is a completely different relationship than the relationship between beijing and moscow - this is a dry and different relationship , mainly based on different principles , you know, it cannot be compared. and in the conditions of the collective here, indeed, there is the primacy of america simply because of its power , the importance of the historical mission, and so on, and china, which actually speaks in relation to its satellites, knows what

politics is conducted and the accession of muscovites to it does not imply any ideological unity . the most ambitious woman wants a part of the system. and therefore the west, together with ukraine, will never accept moscow’s binding conditions, because now it’s even there the conditions of china, i.e. ukraine, returning to lon from something, never eurasias, that's how it would be, she returns from them in moscow , she returns to beijing, she must be part of the peking civilization, you understand, this even aggravates the former ussr, how can you run away from it, that's all here is putin's ego, the ghouls have been building a russian world for a long time, boringly , in order to get such a payment system tied to the yuan at the end and, accordingly, so to speak , renaming the cities of eastern siberia, but putin at this stage, what was needed on

at the tactical level, it is really a shortcut to the reign, and on the other hand, we need weapons and provision, so to speak, of this transition period until medvedev. she will be finished with him, so to speak, in four shifts at russian defense plants where tanks, missiles and artillery systems are blinking, and the key question is whether the chinese now will agree to provide the russian army with the necessary ammunition and weapons, because no one said anything against russia becoming a crude appendage in the west, instead , troy said clearly fu yes no so оно есть есть russia voluntarily chooses the side of china, it's her business . and i'm not detailing it now, i'm repeating the government, it was chosen there by the people, not the subjects, but the power , which means that it holds, will jump into the dictator's district, it's a lunatic church million well, the goat is already here, yes, it’s really a second story , because you’re watching, because everything is predicted somewhere. over

the horizon, a confrontation is already right up to the pre-war period between china and the west , which is not excluded, but the supply of weapons to russia from china in any form, yes to make it clear that this is precisely a chinese resource that will bring this uh, you understand the line, and the face is ready, not china, that’s it, i absolutely will not remove it, of course, it is also preparing for this uh, global confrontation , of course, of course, well, once again, i want to draw it right now. and we i understand what consequences beijing's involvement in the war will actually have on the country of the aggressor, because this is a violation of international law, because it is possible to put weapons in ukraine, according to the sound of its sovereignty and its occupied territory this happened so that he understands the guarantor, which is among the five members of the permanent members of the site security, all about whether he is ready to break the international law of china

. is crucial for intensive development china and the growth of its economy 850 billion turnover of the united states and the same turnover of europe and here they victoriously claim 185 billion dollars from russia , so what are the quality yes, this series and there it technologies, therefore, this is also a big question, how much china is ready in principle not to exchange these things, i still have glass. what's more, what's more, that uh , china will not go to such an open serious arms supply, perhaps some will be from the scheme shown, by the way, they will publicly announce it yes, this has passed, we need more and will be deceived. the international community declares that the weapons are not displayed , but they themselves will say, look , it's early. we don't know if these are iranian drones or not, they will discover everything, and moreover, indirectly, a number of actions were managed

to take the stand of combailist rockets in the direction of moscow from the side of the government with a warning that we will bomb with bombs , you know somewhere that means that in principle so there is also china will start here on the same scale and the same products will be presented, then they will see everything about it, they will know, then the reaction will correspond to what was promised , the more i will notice. there is some kind of discussion going on between the republicans, well, the topics of who are applying for a seat, and after a year and a half in the white house, and between the topics of who are the supporters, there is a continuation of the discussion about china against china and the republican from trump to the landings. and now the leadership is ending of the democratic party , so i still think that china will not decide on an open position , what kind of small series of schemes will show that we are not here, and we do not know anything about north

korea, or through other channels. but this is an insignificant volume, they are now somewhere, they can be seen like this, the end of hieroglyphs, eh, some projectiles, mines there, and so on, so probably such a one can be, i would not rule it out. drones and so on, by the way, drones are in china. and it seems to me that they will go to this moment. well, it is a very characteristic , interesting moment, just before the meeting with zenpin and putin. what did the international criminal court do? vladimirovych personally and lviv understand that this is a discussion about the future of putin on a fundamentally new level . i do not know how relevant it would be to open a case in the case of children, taking into account , so to speak, a number of other important and serious crimes against humanity, against everything , relatively speaking. but in

any case, they decided to start with this. and everything is just a matter of fact that the international court refers to the treaty courts, it is not a court , a projection from the organization of global nations. and this is a treaty court, when the state conspired to say that, well, we will create a court like this. the international court of justice is the 98th year. and now 123 states have signed the roman garden here , and by the way, all the states of europe, except it is clear that belarus, russia, and ukraine too, for now, there are complications with this roman statute, although this is a question of time, in my view, it still means that, according to the eighth article of the rome statute , putin is really attracted to you, it just happened to you the inspector of the children, their deportation to the territory of the aggressor, the problem is that they themselves recognized this crime, the awakening denies about it, mariupol about everything, and here the judge is talking about how many children were taken away, nothing, they did not adopt anyone, guardianship was issued, this

crime cannot be taken away children and strangers who were attacked on their territory, this is a military crime and it is a sheep under the pretext that you should take care of the children so that they are injured as a result of the military you commit war crimes when you import them, you understand, well, the problem is that russia, as i have already talked about a lot, has been outside international law in its regulation for a long time , and therefore they do not consider it shameful . they do not recognize international law , russia is not a part of international law, this is the main statement. and that is why the international chief court followed putin's path of less resistance. and why would they present us now? a warrant for something that still needs to be proven, they vindicate this wine, but here they don’t deny it, they are examples, even this is their nebendy copper, he also said that he initiated the right ones there in the organization of voluminous nations regarding the children

, so it’s nothing from me if you they will already take the children away, this is a war crime, you yourself confessed to it under other pretexts. whatever the justification, why were these children taken away , this is what the speech is about. the accusation can affect the outcome of the war, of course, you can change it to the hotline, now look at how many statements were made by the main state about the fact that if putin appears in europe, there is not one example , even they said that we will draw him immediately, well, the minister of justice of germany did it because the status obligates in a different way, it is impossible to see from this there is already a derivative that he is a war criminal and owns communication with him and contracts are signed with him oh, this is the most important story, the most interesting, respectively mark, we understand that this leads de facto putin's perimeter of possible negotiations, that is, with him directly, few people can afford not only to shake hands, but also

to sign something to talk about with a person for whom an appropriate arrest warrant has been issued , any normal international legal mechanism protects the parties who could enter into any contractual relations on the part of the fact that he is not the proper person to whom these contracts can be concluded, it is scalded and poom . legal, they are justified, the leonist holds his point of view, this is a good question if , for example, the peace agreement with ukraine how many of his signatures can not be used in the future is good, this is an example for you , ten other people will come, and i mean to say, uh, what political opponents of putin, his rule are the opponents not even the same pipes in the older or younger or the same shoigus gerasimov okey esty they

will not be presented with the same obest taka i can’t say that he signed it not to us he is a war criminal what about it we have to all that was signed by putin m.m. means to consider eh consider legal eh weighty yes, that is, no, we do not admit that we subscribe to 500 and others can say so and listen . i would not enter into any kind of contractual representation and sign something else . well, i think he will not recognize, for example, until one of them is judged, until the court is not determined. that's for sure m-m means uh-e immunity international i think that by no means little understood already two vopros debatableny but it changes you know according to me yes there is a reason so she says the psychological state of the patient how it can affect so well we understand that he

was building a system of his own narcissism so in in the imperial direction, and here is a return to the career of sloboda milosevych. well, it is possible . well, not only were there other characters , but we need to compare them. obolon court and you don't have the same warrant in your time and he exercised shalom there in south africa, he was in south africa now by the way, and by the way, he announced that on the bricks line, if putin comes, they will execute an international criminal order , the vote of the court has a strong influence berg reaction to look at the propaganda and so on to this order , oh, we don't recognize it - it's all the same to us. well, don't recognize your business, although they speak honestly, well , they immediately put their hand in their pants, so to speak, and started waving nuclear warheads, well

using an allegorical expression wave let them wave help yes it means that the legal side of russia signed in september before 2000 putin signed the rome statute and then they did not ratify it in 2016 the fact that international treaties cannot be called a signature, signed once, everything is just regurgitated, that’s it. well, that’s another question. it’s also debatable, so how effective is the rome statute, once signed and signed under which, in principle, you are not a person it’s possible, but i have another question: they won’t recognize you because of them, you did everything you did, you know, it won’t be enough for a tank, you won’t go there now , but an armored personnel carrier and you won’t get putin out of there. it affects him psychologically. but look. is it possible to accept that any peace agreement with ukraine? and that's exactly how i think the clause will be included that a warrant for military action will be removed from it. i'm

just convinced of this, understand now requirements for the lifting of sanctions, and they have stated this more than once that if an agreement was reached with ukraine, the sanctions must be lifted, then now a more important point, even higher in importance, will be the cancellation of the international court of this really international court, and this is just a demonstration of what it means to him, it is psychologically very nerve-wracking, because he and sanctions in history now wants to be an international war criminal . aggravates his situation, not everyone is doubted in a very meaningful sense. well, how do you say psychologically? and others , he definitely wanted the other himself . with the peace awards of the nobel peace prize, they loaded the whole money into the system there, you know how they worked on the topic

of the nobel peace prize for putin, despite the fact that he himself knew that he was not an angel, but like there, my arafat was already given direct peace, so that i don’t so you know what direct peace can be for a war criminal . этот в городе рабавится у меня всех самым, thank you max for this extremely interesting informative conversation , and i would like to remind our viewers that mark fegin , ex-deputy of the state duma and member of the russian opposition, worked for them on espresso on emigration and, of course, a famous blogger well, the time of our program has run out, i am passing the broadcast baton to my colleagues they work for you non-stop, take care of yourself and your loved ones

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