[000:00:00;00] about how the boys raped the girl uh, with us mykola kuleba, the representative of the president of ukraine for the rights of the child in 2014-2021 , the founder of the charity fund safe ukraine p mykola good day, i congratulate you, you have heard 100% and we will start the first and second stories with the story about rape because, well, because a child suffered here, and she continues to suffer after the verdict was passed by this volovets court and it became clear that now there are two lawyers who are analyzing this story in detail and looking for all possible witnesses it turned out that the girl didn't even have a lawyer, that is, her grandmother was her representative in court because her parents

are somewhere earning money abroad . the system that operates in the country, it works quite often not in the interests of the child, especially if we are talking about such a composition of the crime, i will say even more. and if the child suffers from rape from violence in the family before that. continues act as a representative of this child and in what way should this child be protected and how can she do it by the way, for quite some time there has been such an initiative as a dtn lawyer where it would be possible to provide a child with such a lawyer even if the legal representatives are suspected or not suspected as a witness, but

for a child to be able to use such a service , unfortunately, in such a situation today, the child is without truth. that is, we need to change our legislation, we definitely need to change the system and bring this system to the point that in in such cases, the child had a professional lawyer independently. there is even money and this is a grandmother, not a grandmother, but such a child should be given a lawyer who specializes in children's cases and can defend the interests of the child in all instances, and if it is about minors, but if in the case of this volovetsk district i'm working on a scary story . yes, it's about three minors, these boys, and they and we understand that maybe the judge was right and when she wasn't ready to send them to jail. maybe she was going out

from the fact that 5 years behind bars will not make them better people, they will not make them people who will later return and bring , i don't know, some benefit to the community , everything can be like that in our country. unfortunately, the potential system is not the same as in holland. no less than just 60,000 compensation payments for general crimes, they continue to live and in their settlements , i will tell you one of the stories, yes, a 13 -year-old boy was raped and sexually molested by a 40-year-old adult man, and his peers filmed it on phone and put in the network in this village and this guy started to be harassed. all the villagers simply because on this video they saw the contented look

of this guy and started to harass him that he was being molested by a 40-year-old man and a 13-year-old child. so long as we as a society will tolerate here the issue not only of the law enforcement system, although it should also work here, uh, social services , the law enforcement system, but also the issue of society, the formation of an appropriate culture the formation of zero tolerance in general for such crimes, for such criminals, we have to educate children in this from a young age, because the children who filmed and the children who then spread it, the adults who then harassed this boy together with the children, and the law enforcement system, which belongs to the right way, are also to blame affected it, that's why i'm telling you about

the components of this very system. it's sick. it needs to be treated. it's simple. look, what a thing. she apologized. well, just look at us . there were so many conversations that we had parents. they can sit in the mud in the basement under fire and say that the children will not let go of their children, the children are not your property , on the one hand, and on the other hand, the children rape another child, and it turns out that no one is responsible because the parents are not responsible for their children, this is also not the case there may be a reason why the parents should not pay, well, a huge compensation, well, that is fair. what should be the punishment for those guys who did this to this girl or 60,000 uah , that is, their parents, their families should pay. then i don't know. well, it can't be yes / 3 for 20,000 hryvnias listen, it is not a problem even for a small village to collect such an amount, well, look, uh, again , you gave the example of holland, i can give the example of canada, other countries have correctional colonies

, this is an institution where a child can stay there for a year , but they can her parents should come there. where does she study there, where, if she is a threat to society, and in such cases where exactly such a punishment could have been awarded, today this system in ukraine has been destroyed and there is no judge choosing between imprisoning the child it is very difficult to do this with a minor child, because , as a rule, there are not many colonies left, or to be left at large. if someone pays good lawyers, then in principle , decisions are made that nothing. well, there will be condemnation uh, in the community, let the child, let these teenagers be subjected to this condemnation, but quite often there is no such condemnation, so what is the second question , how in the other case, the child commits

a serious crime because the roommate of the mother , who abused the child, made this child do this so the child was nowhere to be seen in general, even to hide from loved ones this man who wanted to kill this child, just kill this child . here is the situation for you from the other side, so this situation would be useful for this teenager in the presence of such an institution, in the presence of rehabilitation programs , special restorative programs for such teenagers to educate them. would benefit the community and these teenagers, and the child who suffered and relatives understood that there is a punishment and the whole society understood for such criminals. well, when we are here at war with in the russian world, it is to the ukrainians in ours, and we are surprised how they sometimes have double morals

. listen, well, look at yourself, too, when you say, well, it’s my fault, and uh, and when something like this happens, and then you say it’s up to the boys, boys the boys are from a good family, they have good characteristics. well, it’s okay that they were given two years of probation, and it’s okay that they will continue to go to school and walk with their victim, mr. mykola. one more story, and this is already at the end of our conversation, a girl with a rope, who also stirred ukrainian society, someone took the side of the grandmother who was indignant at the girl, saying why did she come there to jump

rope ? the fact that i'm older, have respect for elders , the girl's arguments, uh, i'm not bothering anyone, i came to jump rope, this is also my yard, well, look, these conflicts happen quite often, and uh , there should be appropriate law enforcement agencies for this what kind of conflicts does the newspaper have, well, again, we turn to the systems of western countries, if there is a misunderstanding between an adult child than adults, if it is a child , social services match the social worker immediately appears and begins to act in the interests of the child, studies this story, evaluates further , a decision is made, so we can there is a lot to tell about different stories now , there is an extremely large number of them until the state decides that a child is a value and

a system needs to be created in order to start raising a child as a value to help such parents, because if we dig a little deeper into this story, where did the girl live, who raised her , why did she make such a decision, maybe there is not proper upbringing. of this case and then a decision is made in the interests of the child, what is better for the child, by the way, about these boys who previously raped this child. well, it is precisely in their interests that it may have been a correctional colony and a one-year term in order to discipline them and teach them appropriate behavior to re-educate what is in other developed countries, it is also in the interests of those who we imagine that some kind of punishment and discipline is in the interests of the child. no

, it is not true , it is in the interests of the child. how can we help this child? we are talking about help. thank you, mr. mykola. mykola kuleba , the authorized representative of the president of ukraine on children's rights in 2014 and 2021, and the founder of the save ukraine charity fund, was also with us . what would i like to say about history? girls and grandmothers, it's not about who is right and who is wrong, but about the fact that our society, ukrainian society, which aspires to be a european society, which is at war with the russian world, must get rid of such phenomena as aids and izumin. people because in this conflict, a lot of people talked about the fact that an old woman is aids, and aids also applies to younger people, you should shut your mouth, because that's a bad boy , listen to what i'm telling you. well, in principle

, there should be respect for any person. any age from all sides and not only because someone is older or because someone is younger and wiser, er, and he is there, i don’t know, more advanced , there just has to be mutual respect, and then there will be much less reasons for conversations on our airwaves, such sad reasons and now let's talk a little about the orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, about its future fate and how we should treat it, and it will help us a little too. good day, good lady, but there is a beautiful video that lasts exactly three seconds, and i would say that this is the whole essence of the moscow patriarchate in three seconds. the video was filmed near one of the shopping centers somewhere in moscow

this spring . - it is still necessary to decipher the sin somehow but if we see from this video in the end, well, we see the moscow father who loves his pasta, but i don't know, maybe this woman was his competitor there and collected for her temple, and it is clear that business, you know, interests have entered there in a contradiction, well, it’s hard to say, it’s interesting how the russians themselves comment on what they saw there, er, i don’t think that this is possible in ukraine, although you know that people open up in such interesting ways in such force majeure circumstances. as you can see, the ukrainian orthodox church also returned to

we knew that they were very specific in our religious field, that is, in this landscape of religious life , but we never thought that they were so zealous and zealous, that is, the situation was such that god had to somehow change its rhetors. i'm not talking about tactics anymore, but they have the impression that they are acting, you know, the polikalakhs, who in their time drew the appropriate structures for them in soviet times. well, now it's fsb structures, that is, according to the scenario, it's absolutely the same as it is directly felt. what is coming, for example, from moscow, some kind of new instruction and they instantly change their previous attitude, their previous comments, er, well , they listen very much to the voice from moscow

. the territory of ukraine is an independent state, so i don't know how much time is needed in this church for it to reconsider its history and its strategy and its policy. well, we remember that it has already begun . on christmas day, on the seventh day, he called to keep calm, not to be nervous, to be calm , to show one's orthodoxy in the best possible way, but now we see that he is calling for resistance, and the question is who should be opposed, that is, this ukrainian the state that registered you, where are you all 30, you have lived there for more than 30 years and i say that it surprises me that they see enemies differently in

russia, in putin, in the kremlin and in the russian orthodox church, how many enemies do they find inside ukraine and the first such enemy for them, there is the ukrainian state, and then there is also the orthodox church of ukraine. they haven't reached the catholics yet, but they haven't reached the muslims either, considering that people are preparing for pesach and the muslims have already started celebrating ramadan. well, the greek catholics it can reach protestants and us at the same time, you as journalists and us as experts , uh, the church does not want to fit into the context of the changes that are taking place, it does not feel the pulse of life, i say once again, it lives according to some old ideas, do you remember all the videos that were filmed they caught some two monks on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra and

one of them pretends to say that i have a push-button phone . i don't have access to information. i have no idea what's happening on tv. i don't watch the war. what are you talking about? it seems that children even at the age of 4-5 years know exactly what is happening in ukraine, and such a serious reason is already at that age and has still figured out which country he lives in and what the circumstances of this life are now. do n't people come to him and order a service with a request to pray for those fallen soldiers, don't sing or make a mistake, so that they return healthy, unharmed , alive with the front, you know, you're just surprised by such things and you ask , how to comment on

this? ministers of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, they know why they serve and why they are the way they are, and they create their own role and mission, but people who go to churches continue to go to the churches of the moscow patriarchate, seeing what is happening in the country, seeing what these moscow priests are doing seeing, for example, what russian bombs and russian military occupiers are doing to churches in ukraine, even to the same churches of the moscow patriarchate , i saw a church this week the holy trinity is located in malia komishuvasitsa, izyum district. this is how it looks after the representatives of the russian world visited there. they set up a hospital inside this church . by the way, the architecture of the church is absolutely not similar to the church of the moscow patriarchate. if you look at it from the outside, the pile is completely different

. i read a little about the history of this church. it was built at the beginning of 1800 at the expense of the community at the expense of the parishioners. there were something like 3,000 of them there . full-scale invasion of the occupation, now there are 14 residents and this church belongs to the moscow patriarchate, so what has to happen for people to make a decision and if there , even if the state does not expel these moscow priests, then people would simply stand at the door and not let them in, and then it goes from below here is this, here is this resistance from the parishioners themselves, who say we don't want you because you are enemies. you call here the russian mir who will then kill us . we will sit down from

the people. people because they cannot allow the thought that there are a lot of people around who lack critical thinking and who in such circumstances cannot act responsibly as adults, well you see in the church of the moscow patriarchate it is generally accepted to be obedient and in their understanding obedience and when you listen priest and you do what he told you. well, for 30 years, the priests of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate have raised such a very obedient flock from whom they have repelled every desire to think, reflect, be critical of the church, can you imagine criticizing the bishop there or your priest, the father, on whom a lot depends, and in the village or in the settlement where you are, the church is very heterogeneous, and by the way , absolutely all the experts say that, so we cannot

know now for everyone to anoint with one as they say with illium and say that there are all traitors and all such dumb-headed people who do not understand where the world is actually moving and what is needed in such a war situation when i am an undefined aggressor which kills and destroys our cultural heritage, our historical memory, where should we go, but still, the number of these people who are finally beginning to see, as we say , is increasing, although it is absolutely obvious that among the parishioners of this church there will be those who will still trust and believe to their priests, er, how they did it during the previous 30 er years . well, you probably need the intervention of er psychologists there , because we have an affected psyche as an illustration of such er, such parishioners er,

ukrainian pravda talked to a man who walked around the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra from which, by the way, they have to get out by march 29, er, the moscow priests and he said something like that , it’s all natural, if you listen to it, er, it doesn’t hold and it’s difficult to give in to logic, but it’s still march in 2023, the full-scale invasion has been going on for 300 , almost 400 days, but these are the people. i don't know if he is an angel or he is some priest, but they are carrying something like this , let's listen to it. ukraine, they are

the property of the russian orthodox church if we know that in 1917, the bolsheviks took this property from the russian orthodox church, the ukrainian confessions have nothing to do with it, and the state of ukraine is the same, this is the shrine of the greatest world shrines, it is the property of the russian orthodox church , er, ptsu is a sect that has nothing to do with there is no church, this is a sect created by political structures with specific goals great russian russian russia and white russia - this is the image of the holy trinity here on earth and who sins against of great russia he commits also against kievskaya russia against belarus, that is, this is personal russia. let's say that the name does not correspond to the church concept , the current current name, they preach more ungodly news , it is kievskaya rus in the name little russian rus

, and people here are confused. by western countries and by the western country, not orthodox, any war ends in peace, it is better that it starts at the worst or later. what do you think, that is, we should lay down our arms and say that well, what does it mean to lay down a meeting and they should stop shooting and here the shooting should be stopped and the bloodshed of the cover will stop - it will be less colleagues - less killed that they don't want to stop. well, you want it, i don't want it, and they want it, well, it's like a revival. and why are you taking over your shrine if it's your land ? you betrayed your land, it turns out that they are no, that's it. well, i think that this man will hardly be able to change his mind, and even if the tomiary is translated in front of him, it is not a distorted history, but a real

history, then he will be absolutely deaf, because you know, he already has a certain matrix stuck in his head, it is absolutely imperial, it is about moskovskaya, that is what was invested there , starting with stepan yavorskyi and feofan prokopovich , and then it was built up from year to year. in the 17th year, it was the property of the russian orthodox church, where it was not the patriarchate in 1917, because their emperor peter abolished the patriarchate and forbade the existence of the patriarchate. ukraine, which was a part of the russian empire, yes it belonged to er-er, it means resistance to the prosecutor on a large scale, but then in the 17th year the movements for the autocephalous movement began thanks to the nice church and it is difficult to say whether it became

my property and then we know very well that now it is an architectural monument, now it does not belong to the church, that is, all these premises were taken from the church. and now it is a national heritage, it belongs to the entire ukrainian people. well, you know the idea of ​​a single font, and this is a cognate of three fraternal peoples. well, i already have it you know not there are enough arguments to refute this theory, which is already being refuted by the russians themselves, they no longer perceive us as a single people , finally, listen to what piskov or the same putin is saying, finally they admitted that oh , it turns out that ukraine is not an independent state and that the ukrainian people are independent, therefore it must be destroyed because it is independent, if they do not perceive a part of their

one, as they say, the field ethnically. well, he is a monk, judging by everything, it is absolute chaos, there is no clear idea of ​​what happened and even more so what is, but i think that there is no need to work with them. it is just a stupid waste of time, these are the people. i think it is absolutely possible to present russia with great joy let them there continue to promote and tell russians precisely in such an interpretation their idea of ​​what is happening here, and we must live by our doctors and by our matrices and better understand our history and know very well that today the uoc is actually in the universal orthodox are a sect because the orthodox church of ukraine and ukraine is canonically recognized and gradually we will receive recognition from other orthodox churches

. well, by and large, not only the uoc is a sect, but the russian orthodox church is also being transferred to this sectarian state , listen to what this means ecumenical patriarch bartholomew said the reason when he calls on the russians to assess the situation correctly and not to go to confrontation, but they are behaving in such a way that they are only busy with constant divisions, constant confrontations, they in fact, they are opening the front of the struggle. that is, there really is a war going on there, a war has started between these two er centers. well, now the ukrainian orthodox church must decide whose side it is actually on. the russian orthodox church, the moscow patriarchate, opposes the entire er orthodox world, because even such er means like the antiochian church or the jerusalem church, which in principle supported it for a long time, or the polish

autocephalous church or the serbian church , you know, enlightenment is already beginning in the brains and they perfectly understand what that brings today, the patriarch of russia, the patriarch of moscow, it does not form the basis of the christian faith and teachings. and it is not for nothing that they are asking today to condemn exactly at the level of the church court that heresy that we hear from the lips of the patriarch of moscow, mrs. lyudmila tserkva , patriarch bartholomew, who said that the russian church shares the primary for that that the war has been unleashed, er, that russia has unleashed a war in ukraine , er, he is speaking from the other side, the pope , who is ready, for example, to meet with kirill gundyaev, who says that, well, that's not all it is so clear if you analyze it in principle, because from time to time these statements of his differ, but

for the most part it sounds to me that it is so clear why so why with the head of the roman catholic church there is this is how the ecumenical patriarch bartholomew the orthodox