[000:00:00;00] because you will succeed in something. yes, the hostilities have intensified there, for example, the samuli battalion of the so-called donetsk people's republic is fighting there, so i think there are fierce ones going there. at least from the national guard, such people have been there since the 14th year, that is, they know this area, well, every bush and every blade of grass. that is , it is easier for us to defend there than in bahmut , or in bahmut, there were no hostilities - this is new phase is a new reality for bakhmut in avdiyivka, there were hostilities there, all the places are equipped, all the passages are there, uh, there is already what is needed, what is needed is mined, what is needed, how can you hide and where can you move to a more convenient position there, it has been worked out, well, for 9 years there, where are the people under the hands are fighting. well, it is obvious when it lasted for eight years. that is, it will be difficult for them there, but they strive especially for this self-made battalion that

is located there, they hate it so much for ukrainians, that is, it is not just russians who were forced to fight there. volunteer for volunteer, but to the people with whom we are in the counters, we give serious thanks to oleksiy, hetman, reserve major of the national guard, once again we congratulate all ukrainians , especially the national guardsmen, on the day of the national guard maria golub is an expert on european integration from brussels. i think it is important and we are in favor if we see her now, then immediately and ask her questions ms. maria good health already get ready for the answers a-a so, look, ms. maria, when i read in the ukrainian mass media interviews or some

opinions of various experts or journalists or political scientists, they are 92% of the obligations of the ukrainian government in order to start negotiations on the question of european integration has been fulfilled, europeans are looking at e-e practice or at the theory if the ukrainian verkhovna rada accepts tomorrow by 90 and 100%. not 72 but 100%. well , i would wait until it comes into life so that we understand exactly how it works and not what is there somewhere, someone, everyone, the whole world is talking about you, you have a wonderful constitution, you have wonderful legislation, everything is wonderful, but on the other hand , you have wonderful corruption, crime does not fall , i am not saying that it is now during the war, and in such a normal situation, you have problems with the sbu in

you have problems in the police, you have ongoing legal proceedings, we have problems with the penitentiary system , in short, there are many problems, but everything is accepted on paper , on paper, everything is written, why wait when reality will come, that is, europeans will wait for reality, or something is enough for them 72% completed and then, well done ukrainians. good day. once again, i will tell you this. european integration is such a complex thing that there are no simple solutions, that is, when evaluating the progress of one or another country, and ukraine, i will remind you, is not just a country that claims to be a full- fledged membership in the european union, we already received the status of a candidate country last year. so, when the europeans evaluate our movement, our progress, they look at a lot of parameters, there is a bureaucratic parameter, we

will not be able to get anywhere from here and never will withdraw from it because there are specific obligations, laws, how they are adopted, as you rightly said, then they are implemented , there is a political structure, the political vector is the strengthening of our political geopolitical cooperation, the integration of ukraine into the geopolitical economic space of the eu, so when the ukrainian side reports on certain figures this is, of course, very good and we have every right as ukraine to talk about this progress, but it must be understood that the european side will then evaluate it, uh, according to the quantitative components, yes and in terms of quality, because our large-scale bilateral agreement on association has not gone anywhere, let me remind you that it is more than 2,000 pages, where all the rules and all the e let's say the criteria by which a country is evaluated when it demonstrates progress are very clearly laid out, and it is also

important to note that there is always expansion of the european union, this is a political decision, accordingly, we should not just declare good progress, but also not forget about these political diplomatic agreements and what ukraine should always remain under such focused attention of european politicians ms. maria, look, i will definitely never be taken into the ukrainian establishment because i believe my eyes, not the number there 72% 94 and so on.

i see uh well and so on to the universities of decoration schools and i say well, we are not similar, we are not similar to europe , that's what my eyes tell me, and when i see this whole set of necessary works, i just have a hard time imagining how to do it in 2 years 3 5 7 and maybe even 10 and maybe even 15 i can imagine conditionally speaking bulgaria or romania that ukraine will be like romania or bulgaria in 10-15 years . and this is the least, well, it is not even poland, not the czech republic. with ukrainians in the ukrainian establishment there are such people who look at the world in such a way that it is not just a matter of writing something somewhere and recording it on a piece of paper, but simply you go out into the street, look around you

and say whether you are still far away no, not yet well, it is not suitable yes, i am saying this, i am now in lviv i live in lviv very reminiscent of italy, but vitalia, the whole of italy is like lviv, that is, it is all neglected, because italy needs to be restored . i don’t know, there are trillions of euros a year to decorate and clean all these houses from noon to midnight . well, because it’s just that. well, the whole country is literally like lviv and architecture 17-16 15th and i say no, well, we are still. well, we are still far away. are there people in ukraine who think that we are not talking about words , but deeds

? work because everyone has one this is the impression, you just need to defeat muscovy, and then manna from heaven will fall and everything will be wonderful, the most expensive hospitals will be built, doctors will be teachers, everything will be wonderful and this is us since 1991, each of us will have new elections in a year , there will be happiness, i will do it in six months, there will be i took away my happiness, i will raise it tomorrow as soon as i win the elections, tomorrow the salary will be high, then we need to train people so that there is a lot of exhausting work ahead. i'm sorry that i took so much of your time. we are similar and different from the countries of eastern europe and from the old european countries, as they like to call themselves, this is not only a challenge, it is our huge advantage, and i will tell you what is more, we are just

interesting to the european union as a country of the future, as a country, as they say, with which we have never sometimes it is boring and in which it is never boring and here we return again to this pragmatic approach membership in the european club is specific tasks here by the way we will have to take great care that our national interests are preserved, especially what concerns our future economic agreements with the european union , they have already begun to prepare for this, they clearly understand that ukraine is a large country, which, in the event of accession, will of course have an important impact on the economy of the european union, so we also need to not just think about how to become more similar so it will be a process that i think it will take place historically as it is as it should be, we need to think about how to preserve ourselves and not lose the eyes of the large and extremely

diverse european family, that's why here really very complex questions and i will tell you that of course people who understand the technical side of the process of european integration, they understand that this is a long game which, by the way , did not start the day before yesterday and not even in the 14th year, but much earlier and we had our own stories of successes and stories of certain disappointments in our cooperation with the eu . at the moment, i am somewhat optimistic that there is a lot of work ahead, as you rightly said, and this work will be connected, including, with the reconstruction of countries, so the reconstruction of ukraine - this is our huge chance to build something new

, high-quality , cool from the very beginning, which will meet the standards and principles of this good and safe european life. that's why it is still unknown whether they captured kyiv or not. at least i thought so, maybe other people thought differently, but then i asked the question to many people that this father's reconstruction of ukraine will be on new foundations, so to speak it will already be the ukraine of tomorrow, and that is, i see that if you say that it should be the country of tomorrow, it is europe not today but tomorrow, that the europeans understand this and they are taking it in that direction to push the ukrainians, because i don't, let's say, i don't really believe that in ukrainian, among ukrainian officials, there is an imagination of what the ukraine of tomorrow will look like, they are used to the old tracing paper, and the factory was destroyed, let's rebuild the

same factory, and i say no, we don't need the same one , we don't need the same factory, the same school, the same asphalt, the same the hospital we have a hospital of the 22nd century, then it makes sense to fight for it, it makes sense to fight to fight to build the post-soviet union . it seems to me that it will not make sense to push europe in the right direction, as in my opinion it will be because if we seriously want our ambitions to become as a member of the european union then had a continuation in specific actions and in specific agreements, then we simply have no other choice because the european union is about these boring standards that are present everywhere in the construction industry and in the question of the food industry well, we have faced this since 2014, when ukrainian manufacturers and exporters were planning

their exits to the markets of the european union, but then it was such, i won’t say a cold but realistic shower, in order to understand what it actually is our major trading partner here, the situation will most likely repeat itself. that is, we will be hinted at, they will directly tell us that this reconstruction must be carried out in accordance with the best standards, but this is in the interests of ukraine and one more point about which it is also worth mentioning and should never be forgotten about security guarantees, because any reconstruction of e-e according to the models of the 21st century, using the latest e-technologies and developments, it makes sense. if we all clearly understand together with our european colleagues , investors, what we are investing in the fact that the day after tomorrow russia will not be able to destroy and destroy with its missiles

, there are also a lot of negotiations about this now, so the issue is even more complex and complex, because security guarantees - this includes infrastructure, that is, it will now be clear the task was to do the same. the school was equipped with bomb shelters, the plant was covered by air defense forces, and these are completely different approaches to construction and infrastructure projects in general. and when we don't think about building a roof that's impenetrable when we don't think about russia as an aggressor if we're going to rebuild bearing in mind that we still have to hide something because russia can attack then no fig excuse me for the word no fig we are at war i think we need to fight so that russia

will never be a factor again if it remains an aggressive factor in ukraine and in europe it means we lost all ukrainians europeans americans all lost russia won like that but you have to look at the reality of the nato umbrella - this includes infrastructure. look at the location of their military bases, and this now applies not only to russia, you know, sometimes, especially in matters of global security, it is necessary to raise it to another level, that is new security alliances of good and bad guys are being outlined, so peace in europe and peace in the world will not only be ensured after the defeat of russia , here is the issue of china. finland, which will soon join the nato club, the country has

the most modern and most serious security infrastructure, even they have a center of influence equipped with bunkers into which, if necessary, you can go to descend. the same applies of the e-e countries of the baltic states, poland is now arming itself as much as possible and is getting the latest e-e samples of modern weapons. therefore, this is a question that has been around for years, and here you are very right. we need a joint solution. what are we doing with russia, how can we make sure that russia never was not a threat to peace in the whole world and it is to my great regret specific answers to this question

. of money, vasyl furman, doctor of economic sciences, we will talk about this money right now, just now mr. uh, and between no one, the currency fund issued a lot of money in ukraine for four years, 15 billion, but for this, uh, i asked the ukrainians to carry out reforms and if i now i'll see mr. vasyl, i'll be in good health p. vasyl thank you for finding time for us for the international monetary fund, when they talk about reforms, we just spoke with the expert on european integration, p . maria, and i just asked what was written and said it's the same thing done because ukrainians very often say we have fulfilled 72% of what we are there too what about mine what about we agreed with

the european union and i say where is it to see where is it to feel what is 72 percentages this is this something has become better in ukraine, i ask you the same thing. okay, we agreed that they will give a lot of money there, without a doubt, in ukraine , we need money, and we also have a war, and so on and so on, but on the other hand, they will not give money, just because they want some reforms. what reforms do they want, and what reforms has ukraine agreed to, mr. vasylivna, please? thank you for your questions in advance. i would like to say in advance that ukraine's cooperation with the international monetary fund is extremely important for various reasons. well, i will list them first - this is financing. we understand that during the war, maintaining financial defense is extremely important for our state. and in this situation this year, for example, 50%

of the funds are on our budget. they remain from outside, that is, we are not enough for us, we have a big deficit. and thanks to the eu and the usa and other international financial organizations, that we include the imf and we will cover this deficit of the state budget, that is, today it is more than 40 billion dollars, now, except for finances, what are the other advantages , that is, the second is really the reforms of the international monetary fund to different countries helps to carry out reforms in the state, that is, thanks to these reforms, ukraine has a lot of requirements, which will be, by the way, in this agreement , expanded funding will be assumed with the requirements for ukraine's accession to the eu, that is, and for ukraine to become full-fledged a member of the eu because it is necessary to adopt a lot of laws. this is the first and the second is to implement them because if we are talking about ukraine

, then in our country . for us they need to be implemented because we now have to build in what directions, that is, and what laws exactly . well, we understand that if ukraine is to become a full member of the european union, then we must have judicial law enforcement, customs , tax and other state systems like in europe . and for this there is a lot to do steps, therefore, if we are talking about the requirements of the new program of cooperation with the international monetary fund. by the way, i would like to note that this is how we dragged let's say yes, the agreement at the level of the staff of the international monetary fund and then next sunday there will be a meeting of the board of directors of the international monetary fund fund, which will be approved by the board of directors of the imf, will approve this new program there for a period of four years in the amount of 15.6 billion dollars. well, it is clear that according to this program there

will be the following two main stages - this is a military stage of development there, the main attention will be paid to, for example, monetary stability, fiscal stability, these new stability of our state, that is, it is clear that there will be some requirements related to anti-corruption legislation , but the main main one. war or the active phase of the war will end. when will we be able to really move on to many structural reforms in our e-e state, if we are talking, for example , about the banking sector, then we are talking about e.g. what are the requirements, for example, that it is necessary to introduce a diagnosis of the banking system because the war has a negative effect on the sikhs, on the state and on business, on the population, including on the banks. this year, he will conduct diagnostics at his banks

, we need a clear understanding of the problems in the banks, and then ways to solve the problems that exist in the banking system, and then we need to return, for example, we don't know when, but will you return to that monetary regime and is it centrifugation or the addition of the exchange rate? how is this related to politics? on the foreign exchange market that we conducted before the war , that is, the national bank has repeatedly stated that we will return, simply for this , the appropriate conditions need to be met. no one is talking about specifics . terms but we all understand that the monetary regime and currency policy that existed before the war are much better, for example, there is a fixed exchange rate regime on the one hand, but on the other hand, if we are talking about the war, then under during the war, during the fixation of exchange rates or other currency restrictions , they still work better, and today we see, well , the corresponding results there. on the foreign exchange market , do we see how inflation in our country decreases there, or how

the banking system works there today, as a whole cooperation for the emef is strategically important. that is, this is a green light for other investors, it will make it possible to attract tens of billions of dollars to the ukrainian economy. by the way, so that our viewers also understand that it is very important. many of our donors, that is, these countries and finances they are confused, why do they look at the imf, because they create a macro forecast of the international monetary fund, they trust the opinion of the international monetary fund, and for example, when the voters of the european union countries have a lot of questions, why do we help ukraine , that is, this is a difficult time, that is, if they don’t steal money, then the imf is so peculiar it is a sign that everything will be fine with the money, that is, that reforms are being carried out, simply that the money allocated to our state is going in the right direction. therefore, it is also like a green light for european politicians

countries, it's just that when they allocate money to us to fight the enemy, look, uh, vasyl, i'm going to go a little to the side now in our differences in our conversation, because maybe i 'm wrong . approximately understands how well, i am saying very naive things there. well, there is no need to print a lot of money, then there will be no inflation . that is, this is such a law and everyone understands how it works, but if you print a lot, it will be worse , today will be better, but tomorrow it will be much worse, and this the moment you are talking about mentioned. i would like to emphasize here and what to do with the judicial reform . i have not yet met a person who would say what to do with it, you can invite american bankers, they do not lead a year in six months, precisely because they have

experience in capitalism. now there is bankruptcy in america and in switzerland, where until recently everyone believed that the banks were the most reliable, but their credit failed, but when we talk about the judicial system, it is tens of thousands of people who are waiting for justice, and each person does not have a general don't print money, it's my specific case and i want to see a judge who will fix this specific case, and every judge has 5 such cases a day, and the judge is used to taking bribes , well , that's it. they want to have a new normality when the judge, like in america and in england, judges as it should or even as in poland. but here we have this problem, there are some at least

remote problems, what to do with the judicial system about finances, i am calm, i think that the imf will fix it in the case of what a ot a ot what i don't know about the judicial system. do you know that you are calm in finance, because since the 15th year, with the support of the international monetary fund , huge structural reforms have been carried out in the banking market. and that's why we simply see that the banking system works 24/7 in conditions of war. the level of citizens' trust in the banking system, people simply vote with their own money, and during the war, the balance of individuals' funds in the hryvnia banking system increased by more than 40%. i recently read a study there rating agency conducts the level of trust in the constitution in our country, for example, most ukrainians trust the military there and trust the president of ukraine, but what i was advised

, for example, is the 56% level of trust in the national bank of ukraine, that is, this quality mark of those reforms that were carried out and are being carried out in the banking market and now transfers to your question about the judicial reform , the composition of the question is extremely simple, it's just you and me. well, as an economist, i simply do not have a specific program of reforms in this direction, the only thing i can say is that reforms in this direction are it's not an easy path, it's a path of more than one year, i remember i was there eight years ago, probably in georgia, and they said that we were going through the third stage of reforming the judicial system, that is , it started after the revolution in them, too, when saakashvili was elected president then, that is the reform of their judicial system began there in 2005 and lasted for more than 10 years and was just passing and then there was the third stage of reform . therefore, it must be said that we also have relevant positive developments, for example , the supreme court has been reformed there and as far as i know

many cases were simply judged. honestly, this is a huge plus. we have, well, an anti -corruption court, that is, the level of trust of ukrainians in the pre-trial decisions of this court is also extremely important. there is also a question regarding the judge of the first instance, especially who judges there, well, simple citizens of the case, that is. yes, i am, well, again, i am an economist by profession, the only thing i understand is that this system should work in which europe, then really we will enter europe as quickly as you want, the government, that is, ah, and what are the specific stages, that is, well, it will probably be like this it is not an easy path, but by the way, the supreme council of justice, we know that it is already there . well, it has new members, just who will examine the judges who take bribes there, that is, or appoint new judges there. that is, i understand that there are huge changes in this direction, despite the fact that there is a war going on, and despite the fact that i understand that there is a huge resistance , well, let's say so, we thank the corrupters. thank you, vasyl furman

, doctor of economic sciences. thank you for finding time for us on sunday . i will still allow myself here. to say why this is a big, huge problem. first of all, i absolutely support mr. vasyl because he says that in the 15th year reforms began , and i remember the years 15, 16, and 17 when everything that could be negative came down on the head of the national bank, mr. gontariv. they criticized and set fire to something and did a lot of such negative things, and the critic was so mad when i found out that she had moved to work , it seems to me that the london school of economics was boring and they do not accept people who do not work well in their fields, i said, and then i suspected that she is a professional economist in finance first of all, but i am not a specialist, but when i asked specialists about her profession, they all said that she is

impeccable. in general, and the main thing is that she cleans up the banking system and weak banks disappear, hundreds of banks disappeared there, and i think that this is important it is definitely painful for people, and the second thing i was talking about was the economy, since i can understand the new ones with my clear mind. and i asked about the courts. literally three weeks before the death of the kingdom of heaven, khabendokidze is the right hand of saakashvili, it is actually an engine the reforms that were carried out in georgia, which were very highly evaluated by the international community, it was considered that it was simply impossible for this to happen in three years, and this is true . i spoke with the ambassador, he said that the budget of the country was 500 million dollars. after three years