[000:00:00;00] well, i now answer well, what you need to have to become a magazine is such a russian word, i don’t know if there is a ukrainian counterpart люба знаттьельность, what word is люба знаттьельность, люба знатильность , люба знатильность, this is not acquired. if we have such a gene, what part, what type of blood with all this some genetic dependence means you can approach this profession , i will explain what this means, it means that it is not a job, it is to some extent a hobby, a person who wakes up in the morning and does nothing, does not even brush his teeth, but immediately looks at the computer

now computers used to be newspapers yes and they watch and what happened there is more interesting to her, she is exposed, for example, she read some news and about chile chile where is chile located on the shores of the pacific ocean latin america all the way to the west such a small strip and it for some reason it is not known why this is not a robot, this is not an editorial task , she, but i will review what is there in chile and what is the politics there , who is in power? if a person has it well, you know, when he was, i always said that a journalist is a semi-grunt profession that is not completely creative, but semi , that is, you must have this trait , just as some trait must create an artist , sculptor, actor, director, and so on and so

on and that's similar and also somewhere in journalism there is such a trait and in journalism - this is a trait just like that. dear curiosity, you are just interested in yourself. if there is such a trait , then you can go to the matter not only in journalism, but the investigators know. and what is there, how to find to the killer so that he is a scientist there and why what there in the cell and so on, yes, what in physics is a+b and so on and so on, but in journalism, if you go to work as a job and not enjoy it as a hobby, because no one forces anyone to collect matches, packs of matches or any congratulations to this postcard and people are just interested in stamps and coins, they are interested in them if you mean we went to from south to north because

we are waiting anna lena lauren finnish journalist writer of swedish origin author of a book with a very interesting interesting name they have something with the head at those russian anna lena lauren thank you for being with us, thank you, i'm switching to russian, and the first question i ask is very important. did you understand that they have a question in their head ? i speak ukrainian now, and now i’m answering in russian for the time being. and you know that when i wrote this book, it was more than 12 years ago. then there was another situation, but all the problems that were there still

remain just now in this form, so what? that she could not then imagine herself that so and so but there will be the most important thing, of course, the most important problem remains, and this is not the ability to understand that i don't have the ability to see the situation from what angle, that is , you have the fact that you have a great history , you have a great country, and that's all such the most important thing is the number of the first backpack of a person who has this head yes, i always remember that the word german is from the word mute for russians many years ago, when germans appeared, foreigners are in the country, if he does not speak russian, i am not me i don't think so

he's a man, he's like an animal, i don't hear him, i don't understand him, and everything is german. well, yes. not that it's not mine. i'm just a person who. well , they can't speak . yes, very much . it is important, do you think the simultaneous entry of finland and sweden into nato, or well, at the beginning it was said, we will go only together, now it is said well, okay , the finns will go first, and then the swedes, okay , it’s okay, it’s somehow important, or it’s a secondary problem, it’s ochen, well, it’s was so much yours that together and because of the purple lime, the relationship is excellent, the general story

is better for us and for finland than it is for finland well, it’s just that he knows very well how to take advantage of such a situation, and he has, uh, everything about sweden’s day, which is considered unfair in our country. it's good for you and if everyone says that's all you nato members have already agreed and accepted everything, you can't say that if it's shown, we won't be members while we lived, it won't be because it's a security issue, and personally, sweden is waiting as quickly as possible, too, and that's all after all, such a situation is better than if it were the other way around, because now there will be a dream of two nato countries and, in fact

, a security guard. i think that this is definitely a big limitation for sweden. real the danger from russia is already here, they already understand that this is a problem, or do they think ? well, this is ukraine, far away. of course, there is russian activity, they are killing ukrainians, but it concerns us because this is where it is. and everything or people understand that this is a problem, on the contrary, that finland has its own history with russia, the soviet union, and they attacked finland in the 39th year, in fact , this is the situation that is very similar to the fact that somehow everything happened to koru, and uh, finns

, well, if you count on your first question i wouldn't she said that now the film is not talking, she thinks that they will attack us. nobody believes it. well, there is already one specific reason , because russia is now very alone in ukraine , and this is certainly an unpleasant and terrible reason. from the royal family in finland. they are empty, but not empty. i am now because everyone is singing in ukraine. unfortunately, but what is the concrete possibility now for russia to attack finland, well , no, this is impossible. after the second world war, when the earth was not all

the time , it was necessary to rapture and do, to put it bluntly, do so that all the people sit, moscow was bytovolny, of course. i was standing and the exiles depended on us. the second time it will be very difficult. they knew that no one would help us. that is why finland was fired upon and the attitude was good. the situation when it is the empire, i think that our interest is in our interest now, it is an invasion and a declaration of a willful one, that is, we do not simply mill finland, on the contrary, we only defend ourselves, such a situation is very difficult to provide , but we live in history. no one expects an attack from

russia . such a theory that in europe, no one wants us to fight, the russians will land in denmark or germany or finland , except for the existing army, no one will go to ukraine, there will be no people, the brothers will not go to the front and fight, and so on and so on here is the struggle of finland, if something happens, how, how, how, population, how, youth, how , first of all, it is clear that it will

be, regardless of feminism, we are finnish famous, but men will go in the first place, to what extent is the attitude of people who are people ready to defend their country or do they all immigrate to sweden, well, not everyone is there, how many are there, that’s absolutely no, and because i’m here, fastov and such young people, then it ’s easy to understand that it can happen again. men, they all go through military service, but they didn’t take away the badge of the military. they communicate with us for military service, and we don’t have it. and so we have a civilian reserve, well, we have as little as a country’s reserve, and the level

of readiness is good, but i’m sure that’s understandable. that you still don't care until the real situation actually occurs, you don't know what level it actually is, but i know for sure that during all these cows after the second world war and the 90s, while everyone thought that it was not and the war will not be the same, the military service will definitely continue and the finland will be in its own country , that’s why i’m sorry that they won’t remove their sweden, but the weather will be. but in finland they have a very strong army very well prepared finland does not need to redo anything in nato they have fully ready aircraft in my opinion more than in

nato therefore very well very strong army and everything is in order there so we should be calm for finland this is very good the news and how much when finland joins nato and sweden do you have swedish roots , you think well, i'm not the talking pig well, i'm a total girl well, andree the spy can tell you who wrote to me proleh she was a finn well, how about me, well, she wrote in swedish and of course she spoke in fim, i definitely speak athenian here, uh, about how i will do it if i have a daughter to play with you in the summer , it will be a torchestvennaya such a ceremony and a family man and a black man, and of course, sweden tasyt say officially that they hope that turkey will succeed, lenin will succeed in voting for

sweden before that, but i think that the general public already understands that sweden has passed . here's a little more, but if sweden and finland join nato, this is a guarantee that ukraine will be two votes for ukraine's accession to nato or not well, at least 2 years well, because it's very difficult to speculate about it at all, as it seems to me, while the war is going on , there will be no nato membership in ukraine, because it is the same as finland and the situations will tell me to say that because the book is interesting, although zelena is a very large standard of ukraine, or it is also a very cautious country, and i won’t say

, if i’m honest. i think that's it in general, it's obvious, a journalist, a writer of swedish origin, the author of a book, they have something wrong with those russians. the book's title is beautiful , and we and we. we understood in them that it's true what anna lena said, and i and my friend just recently talked to a canadian producer, and he told me i just said that this word is now a fashionable word, empathy, it is not pro-russian for russians, no , nothing exists in the world except for russians, and i am repeating one, one , one, one thesis, it is very interesting, this is love, and russians always say and no, they do not love us

you won't you won't find that is, you won't find any other nation that would express themselves with such words expressed seriousness interest interest t-se 5.10 but this is the very word that they always use mine for the last 20 years there, it was estonia for us, lithuanians don't like us, ukrainians don't like us, moldovans don't like us, americans don't like us, georgians don't like us, and so on and so on and so on and so on and so on that is, this word is similar love love we only need to be loved we are not we do not require you to treat us with respect or you love us or as it used to be a good phrase in the russian language враг или раб in the russian imagination враг или раб

о тераб i.e. and you must love your master or you are an enemy, like the united states of america, they tried to turn us into slaves. well, now we are enemies, you see, there was no gap because of this empathy, when you understand another person , when you understand that someone else's grief, well, that's damn it, and if you were to wear this suit of grief, it seems to me that the russians lack this, an absolutely huge, huge, huge majority of all of them. i even think that almost all of them do, because the first six months of the war, that 8 months, when i saw these so-called good russians, there were also a lot of those who, what, what, what, what ? that we are bad, that we are at war with the ukrainians, that's it, but you can feel it. i remember a conversation between a ukrainian, anton herashchenko, and a russian liberal, she said, "let's go, let 's call it something softer, not wrong, that the enemies

of the russians are murderers, and just like anton says come on let's invite kharkiv and i'll show you what kharkiv looks like and the people in kharkiv and the houses in kharkiv and then you'll say you can call russians something other than just criminals well, she fell silent. they mention that ukrainians have great empathy, europeans have a thumb because they invite ukrainians and help and so on and so on and so on, now you and i will immerse ourselves in scientific scientific events . and why do you think we will immerse ourselves because in ukraine there is a new minister of education and science and this the new minister of education and science was immediately accused

of plagiarism, just like the old minister of education and science, and i will say without preparation for this story in my program . with the dissertation of the minister for the positions of the candidate for the position of the minister is impossible and here i open the preparatory sheet where i am preparing for a meeting with iryna yegorchenko , a scientist, a scientist of the anti-plagiarism initiative disergate and here i have written plagiarism contains up to 90% of the dissertation in ukraine if this is true. good health, mrs. irina, good health, but on

the other hand, look at what i am, what is my question, we all want the minister not only of education, but any minister to be proactive. they want to protect the heart, the probability that there will be plagiarism . well, it's already appearing. i don't have to defend myself. i just finished graduate school , so as soon as i go, i'll be tempted to pay someone some money to say, but i have a beautiful dissertation, that is, how is this all? to unite proactiveness honestly dissertation or just close your eyes to the fact that there is a lot of plagiarism now tell me first of all there is no requirement for a minister to have a dissertation absolutely that is there is no such thing we are able to do normatively and no one presents such an initiative of mine secondly

an enterprising person who wants do science and not a dissertation, don’t go to doctoral studies. well, now it’s not a post-graduate course , a phd study course , do research, and on the basis of this research, defend a dissertation if a person just wants a dissertation. well, of course, without studies, she is already an imitator and not a scientist, i don’t see, to be honest, an enterprising person defending a dissertation, well

, a dissertation, as a rule, had absolutely no time to defend a dissertation in graduate school and was engaged in research, but for some reason did not defend the dissertation then. for example , vyacheslav is weak vakarchuk, who once studied in graduate school, he has good articles , and at least those people who are not in the topic there are no questions about this dissertation. although it was defended during an active touring activity, it was either commissioned or something like that. well, i'm a weakling . to be honest, look. i'm sorry, please. and in your circle, where are you, sergey, are you scientists who are researching, do you have any ideas about reforming scientific and educational activities in general? you and i understand that there is a huge

number of fake dissertations , a huge number of higher educational institutions, a huge number of things that cannot be called education and science. well, it seems to me that we are now first place, we now have as many higher educational institutions as in the whole of europe . in all 30 countries, it is very easy to enter and all of this somehow looks like some kind of fake, huge, what can be done about it? well, first of all, admit that our entire education system is based on lies and to investigate in great detail that aspect of this habit and plagiarism, we investigated it. it starts, isn't it funny, from kindergarten, where the teachers do some chores for the children , then they tell the children what they told their parents . what did they do themselves to learn this?

i didn't have a clue about this, somehow in my childhood there was no such thing ah ah ah, relatives somehow never told anything like that, and this is at one of our events about plagiarism, someone with experience in state kindergartens takes part in making patras , and she considers it absolutely their task to teach children instead of deceiving the parents, work begins at the school. well, now i think our school principals will run to make innovations from the first grade, and without an order , they are well trained to bend. and so read the thoughts of the superiors in order to satisfy these superiors. i am absolutely sure that no

there will be no orders, they themselves will run to make innovations, work for you there for everyone eh and parents should prepare to come up with innovations for the first grade these gdzs and for the willingness of teachers to accept these gdzs, as well, this is ready-made homework, as work , you have to fight and it means giving up the general school idea that if a child has a document about a certain class there, she really has this knowledge, well, this is not true education should be based not on the program and not on the real knowledge of the real children who are here. now the teacher must stop the absurdity of writing a calendar plan for six months, that is, the teacher cannot fulfill it, the teacher is the lord god and cannot predict the situation that will be in six months

, cannot predict how the children will learn the materials that is, this is a very difficult task in the world . just as there is no ideal system of medicine, there is also no ideal system of education. years is calculated because what you have drawn must be started today with higher educational institutions, where to find those who will teach teachers in a new way, they must graduate in 5 years or less and continue to go to school to get some but it is some tens of years, at least for those points that we have already started to investigate, to investigate simply where

in the education system of ukraine this lie is and of course to stop working, man, in ordinary schools, this is also an item like this, it’s just like that, it’s small . the academy of sciences has no resources, time, or qualifications to deal with it. that is, they can to be groups for children who want to have camps for children there from settlements where it is impossible to organize groups and not coercion for teachers, we now have teachers by the way, it is evaluated as tested according to anything except the results of the real results of the children’s education, that is, the teacher has to give work to the mother there to participate in olympiads, some shows, flash contests , well, anything except studying, two minutes if you can , mrs. rynat, i'm sorry, each of the teachers has

nothing to do with education, and there are many, the same, the same yes, approximately the same, yes, there the situation is different there, they do not require such dreams, but there they require imitations from everyone, including from people who are absolutely , well, firstly, we are doing this together for everyone , there are very few people who have the inclination to do so, and secondly, the leaders, all of them the teachers who bought it wrote off something um, well, they don’t control me, they will also teach these students to write off or generate some smaller one. well, why is that? kateryna kyrylenko can teach students of nu. i’m sorry

, but her dissertation was probably not bought because i can't imagine how some hired author can insert a masterpiece dissertation on the electronic side, she obviously compiled it herself, but what and why will she teach her students, and so on. well , we have such a thing now. the ministry of education can teach what kind of example for students students is a person which has such a very strange reaction, er, this submission for examination well, somehow, er, it looks like knowledge that they did not read it well, if the author wrote his dissertation, he himself knows what is written there and can explain, for this, an examination is not needed, especially not provided by any legislation that is not provided for by the legislation on the refusal of the degree, this loophole is so very strange, and especially in a situation where we have a lot of experience of commissions that perfectly

signed the fact that there is no plagiarism in kyrylenka, that is, people have seen large pieces of texts that match we have seen references and they told tales about the fact that everything is in order . that is, there is no point in handing it over for examination, this is not provided for by the law, evidence of e-e textual borrowings without proper references provided by my article 42 of the law on education provided by numerous volunteers who decided to read the dissertation. i don't see the need for any kind of expertise here. thank you very much. iryna igorchenko, a scientist of the anti-ploit initiative