[000:00:00;00] to do this for a lot of their saved money, the russian state is not responsible for the fact that, in principle, the russians always knew that sooner or later it will be as it is, but in the event that russia chooses this path of rupture and measures will be taken to return to the model of such a soviet union light within the borders of the russian federation must be implemented understand who will then be your economic ally, well, in this situation , the absolutely logical economic ally is the people's republic of china. well, then, if we want to abandon the dollar from the euro little by little, if we simply do not have trade there it is decreasing every year and vladimir putin, i think, has no illusions that it will be different for him and he does not need the sanctions to be lifted. you say that he can exchange it for the lifting of sanctions, he does not think in this way. i would say in this way , he is a politician of the world revolution like trotsky

trotsky believed that it is not necessary to negotiate with the west, but to stage a revolution everywhere. he strongly believes that these territories that you need will be captured, those territories that will not be needed will be destabilized and should be everything as you want, at least in europe. well he tried to organize a large-scale migration crisis in europe, what does he hope for, that sooner or later the economic crisis in europe will intensify and, thanks to russia and thanks to china , populist politicians like tam malin will come to power. that russia, which in turn will be china's sphere of influence. well, everything is a simple and absolutely plan for the next decade , of course, us and then everyone else, and it may seem crazy, but they think exactly in such categories of their dependence get rid of and here's a new one. this program regarding the yuan. it can somehow bring this step closer, i don't really believe in it. because i, one way or another, it is a currency

that is not marketable, and if you trade in yuan , you completely depend on what the mood is today, all the calls with which he got his feet, if he gets the wrong kind of feet, they can bury your economy in general, everyone knows perfectly well that ivanovna is not to be touched because he is not traded on the markets, ua well , listen, i think that putin is interested in the economy in the last place, i am not amazingly it sounds like i wanted to ask. today we discussed the topic of uh, whether zelensky will meet with the president and whether this meeting is necessary at all. but it is interesting that the united states has somehow started to push for these negotiations and the europeans are also voicing such theses, why , because china is not such an unacceptable position for us voice many different things , for the first time we see that the european position and the american position are not the same regarding china and regarding china's role in the process, the europeans want

to think that china can restrain russia and they want to understand what china can offer in order for this to happen, and in principle, everyone understands that without a conversation with zelenskyi, everyone cannot be a real participant in the peace process, because if you try to stop a war between two countries, you at least talk to the leaders of both countries. however, i think that let's say something happened in moscow what made this dzvinkina postpone all his intentions for later or cancel them altogether when he was going to the russian capital, it was known what he wanted, i mean purely from the point of view of steps peace plan putin zelensky biden european tour

negotiations with the europeans and reaching some kind of agreement, the plan was vague, absolutely possible, cd-in heard from putin that putin is not going to agree on anything, then explain to him that in fact, a war of attrition for ukraine is useful for both russia and china because it weakens the west, he could just to convince, you saw that despite the fact that putin himself said that he considers the chinese peace plan to be the so-called foundation for further peace negotiations, when measures to ukraine are ready for it, samsimping suddenly lost interest i would like to use the moscow tribune to make it more specific, to say that he will talk to president zelensky there about the proposals he made to president putin, and he heard the answer was even negative, and he just lost interest, but why are they interested

? putin could have offered him this or said that the continuation of the war is better than ending it, well, it is one thing to say, but you need to give some arguments. well, i think that there were some arguments from the numbers of what is happening to the economies of the west to show the figures of ukrainian losses interprets such russia could arithmetically calculate when the war ends at what level will the ukrainian dpa be already there, well, i showed him it is profitable, you can’t go behind your back , you can’t appease an authoritarian leader, you can only prove that this or that situation is beneficial to him they think in such if he realized these calls, it would be more profitable for him to be like this, he would simply walk away from it . i thought that it would be different, that he would talk to putin, then talk to zelenskyi, you will say

you see something, russia is peaceful, ukraine is not peaceful and will continue to help russia, he somehow stopped talking about it after the results, they didn’t say a word about the war in ukraine and chinese politicians practically don’t talk about it, officials, here i am looking at the statements of ven and the member the central computer of the chinese company is completely uninitiated when they are asked what the assistant of the french president will be there , he called vanya and said that china must be listened to in order to further the settlement was on the terms that china can offer. but it was not a chinese initiative, it was a french initiative. according to the idea, if a country is interested in the implementation of its peace plan, it itself calls everyone to get support, and here the situation

is completely paradoxical. china put forward some kind of plan a now the europeans are calling the chinese and saying oh, let's think about how they implemented it too. well, this is once again another evidence that china has lost interest, for what reason , let's see, let's see the future in relation to peaceful you said that the europeans had already started, and indeed in italy did you hear in particular the pro-russian forces in the parliament shouting, saying let's also write our peace plan and end the war in ukraine, it is true that the prime minister of italy, giorgia meloni , sharply responded to such accusations and first of all, regarding the peaceful settlement, she noted that let's start with the withdrawal of troops, so with in principle, she followed the fact that our president said the withdrawal of troops, e.e. , a cease-fire, and so on. this is where

any peace plan should begin. and secondly, she also said that it is wrong to criticize the supply of e-weapons to ukraine and aid to humanitarian ukraine , that is, she completely took our position, but vitaliy, after all, such conversations are already being raised, it is not dangerous for us, why do representatives of certain forces always go and say that it is better to be peaceful war, that weapons only intensifies the aspirations of those who want to continue the war to infinity, that negotiations are needed, do you understand the point of logic in all this, then what explained italy’s fitting if russia wanted some real ones negotiations, if in moscow they said, you know, we are ready to talk about the status of ukrainian territories. where are our troops now, we are ready to withdraw them, we are ready to discuss it, but the population of these territories. well, at least at the level of minsk.

such a baboon well, in any case, this is a position after which you can talk colic one country recognizes the territorial integrity, the situation is that russia says the same thing all the time, recognize territorial realities and this is where we need to start. we will speak to you when you clearly say that what we have occupied is ours and what we have not yet occupied will also be essentially ours someday it will be like that plus decentralization neutral status conditionally speaking in addition to what you recognize the occupation of your territories, which is also illogical, that is, in essence, these are still negotiations about surrender, when the president of ukraine says again that there is no garden for negotiations. he is absolutely right. another question is

much more important. and if these foundations where peremolon, in principle, it will not arise , as the political process will develop, but i have no impression that russia in the future will change its idea of ​​the pergo-belief process in ukraine, of course , this is also the first story in the 21st century when one country occupies the territory of another and does not it simply occupies them, annexes them, writes them into its constitution , this is a real joke when you say that, you know . we do not think that russia will not want an escalation of the conflict if crimea is liberated . but why only crimea if all the others are ukrainian the regions are also occupied by russia, they are also part of the russian federation from the point of view of the russian constitution, when did the new term

constitutional border on borders appear from the point of view of international law. the territory of ukraine , therefore, in principle, i do not know, simply no one can say it out loud, real western politicians from commentators, nashika, etc., but there is no political solution to this war in nature, that is, the military way is the only military way, the only way is the military way - this is not a solution to war, it is simply a military way, there is a military way to liberate territories or lose them, but the war may not stop, but it is not a political solution to the war, that's why everyone thinks that if there is a military solution , then it will be a political one. i just take the position that a political solution is something that ukrainians, in principle, in the current generations , can not wait for, they can just deal with it not to meet, but we are constantly told that if we have even greater success at the front, then we will have the trump in our hands at the negotiating table

, which will not be we would have the trump in our hands at the negotiating table if, relatively speaking , in addition to our territories, we could occupy three or four oblasts of the russian federation? i'm not kidding, i'm serious. i just know that it won't be, because it's a nuclear state, but it's a trump card, but sanctions are not a trump card. and when you, relatively speaking , occupy the kursk, belgorod, bryansk, and voronezh regions, you can demand their release in exchange so that the enemy recognized your sovereignty, agreed with your accession to nato, and you are leaving from there. this is your safety train. you are going. until then, armenia had control over the regions of azerbaijan, it had a goat for negotiations about the future of nagorno-karabakh, it could not use this goat for one reason or another, but it is clear when they, when it was defeated in the second karabakh war, all the trump cards for negotiations are in the hands of azerbaijan, not armenia

, because armenia is not located on the territory of azerbaijan, azerbaijan looms over this the territory of which the armenians consider important for themselves even on the territory of armenia and the territory of nagorno-karabakh who has who now trump in azerbaijan who had trump in armenia what does our situation look like we do not have trump cards for victory now from the point of view of the west because we have not yet freed our territory, but i don't. we can't, we can't take such big trump cards, then because we will liberate our territory and not occupy russian territory, fortunately for us, we are not aggressors, tell russia, you know, we will leave our territories in exchange for our sovereignty, we we will never be able to. well, that's all. and if conditionally some rockets from space, unknown from where , start killing russian citizens in the bryansk-voronezh region, not just fall somewhere in the field, not just on military bases , not on railway junctions, but on residential

buildings, then what can we do somehow to stop this war, maybe the russian president will think about it, i don't know how the reaction of the russian population is, or i remember very well that when there was an escalation during the war in chechnya , it only strengthened the military mood in russia, and in principle it must be said that strengthened the position of the hawks surrounded by boris himself because that's when all these people appeared when there were terrorist attacks, when houses exploded, all these people who today are the heart of the current russian regime appeared. it was here that society advised them , so i don't know to what extent will the president think about whether he should end it or whether we should proceed to escalation, we are repeating it once again well, rockets will be fired on the territory of the bryansk and voronezh regions , in turn, missiles will be fired on

the territory of our regions well, this is correct what about escalation, but you always say what and where to go next , escalation is correct. i mean that this is not a trump card. these are just goats in order to develop some other air defense system in russia. besides us , we will close voronezh, i will tell you more. i don't think that our rockets can be launched on the territory of voronivsk or bryansk region in order for the war to continue. i think that they can be called russian ones, so the day will come when the russians will think that the population is not sufficiently mobilized, they will start there us there is no need to launch a rocket there, i will skew you. no, i mean that the russians themselves are happy to fire at any of their regional centers. when will they need to show why this war must continue forever here ? -e at home with civilian residents so that putin becomes the most popular politician in russia. so they will calmly bombard russian cities with missiles to prove that the war against

ukraine is the only task that russia can engage in because it is possible to ask the answer to question we don't have security, we already have rockets in belgorod in voronin, what conclusion should be drawn to protect our unfortunate residents of the belgorod red region, what should be done , the war should be stopped, the ukrainians should be finished logically, well, we ourselves are engaged in our heroic soldiers mobilization, we are ready to announce we didn't want to, but now that this poor child died in belgorod , look at the photo in the program, time, uh , that's all, that's what they are. they know how to do things perfectly, they don't know how to fight, but they know how lying is therefore not profitable for us well, we are not the aggressor at all, of course we are defending ourselves, but we fantasized about it in such a way that it is simply not profitable for us, the escalator believes that it is profitable for the west to show political will

, this is what is profitable for us that we liberated our territories and entered without a peace agreement with russia to nato in our borders, if the west agrees to this, well , the war will end if the west will speak from the beginning of the peace agreement with russia, then the introductory one , then it will continue, this is a very simple formula for such a development of events and it is necessary to prepare realistically by the way, finland has already signed the law on joining the alliance, and sweden is waiting for the decision of hungary and turkey . you noticed that no one in russia pays any attention to this at all. they don't care how many letters nato has, because they would care about the expansion of nato , they raised the question of the rub as early as 1997, they raised the question of the rub, at least when the baltic countries joined nato, they never did it because they were never interested in an expanded nato, this is a lie, and by the way

, the history of finland and sweden proved it you were not at all interested in them at all, when the president of finland gave his seat to president putin in the salon to talk to him about finland joining nato. well, i am not quoting the conversation, but that was the impression on the end, if you asked putin, what do you you are calling me that you have become dripping, well, that is, because russia is not interested in the expansion of nato , russia is interested in the return of its statehood in the borders of the soviet union in 1991 , presumably without wings, this is all that they are interested in, that is why when they say that the former the soviet republics should not be members of nato, this is an absolutely clear statement that sooner or later the state of these republics will be liquidated. well, there is nothing to say about it and it is a political goal. but it is illogical that they do not care about nato expansion. they are supposedly afraid of

nato. they know citizen, listen to them, it’s not for money, it’s a big nuclear state with a nuclear weapon, no one can attack it because it could be this nuclear weapon destroyed in russia, everyone knows that, well, russians are such stupid people that they don’t they ask. and what are you telling us that we are under threat from nato, that is why we are at war with ukraine, but finland, the swede , is joining us, and you do not allow that society and the government can live in harmony , lies, i am allowed within the framework of russia, i still wonder how you can live in this old house for so long, the union lived like this for ten years, everyone knew that people were lying, old people stood at the desks , komsomol meetings, young people who were 18-18 years old there lied to their teachers, to the teachers who lied to them, that was how the whole society functioned now people who

they are the moral accountants of all sins there, they seem to have crossed out i have here in ukraine, they crossed out from their memory the history when they were secretaries of secretaries of party organizations in factories, factories , anywhere, that's a hundred and you already now they can mean uh, to behave like that from the point of view of their true views . but they lived like that, and the russians continued to live like that, because this style of life would be more characteristic of russia than the territories it captured, so again , believe me, not a single russian, well, not a single one think that he is at war with ukraine because he is threatened by him, no one in russia thinks so, well, that is, you cannot say, but it is not because the tv tells them so, but because they understand for sure that by seizing a lot of ukrainian

land, you will win by expelling these people from here ukrainians they are not called that, but i will say let's be intelligent. it's a difficult task, but everyone understands very well that you can't say it like that , it sounds ugly , it won't be understood. you ask them a question. and why finland is near our borders, your borders don't bother you because before, well, it's far away. well, they already gave it when it's the same as the border of poland. oh, it 's a small piece of the border, but it does n't matter. kaliningrad region, we don't know where it is, but here it is already clear where it is. this is a huge border, isarionovych stalin

. at one time, he also started a war with finland in order to move the border. seconds and there is no st. petersburg, it’s like that and no one and no one is talking oh listen we have to stop it somehow well at least we have to at least talk with finland we have to spend we have to warn them we have to snow what’s more putin says that he is deploying tactical nuclear weapons in belarus and not on the territory, let's say from the northwestern military district, which would be a logical answer to the expansion of oil well , everyone can hear it, you see it not in nato, look putin is sitting on the tv screen, he is lying inspired, everyone knows that he is lying, all russians are calm they are lying to each other. now i am reading some posts on facebook of my old moscow colleagues there who say that when people

gather, intelligent people who are against the war gather in some companies, they are silent. well , how is the voice? look, mom, what a wonderful weather. svezhela culture here , too, it’s careful because there chulpan khamatova no, but culture takoy smotelly or you are a beautiful filipino film about the love of a fisherman to a mermaid, culture is also very significant here , the theater was kicked out, so it’s better about this theater back, that is, because you are sitting in this company, you do not know who will report you and whether you will be kicked out, fired from your job or will be reported on you, you know that now the indictment was against one former employee of the internal affairs who was against the war, you know why was he based and a person was talking on the phone with another person and they said that she did not like

the war, it was a private conversation, this conversation was eavesdropped by an employee of the internal affairs that is illegal is prohibited after he eavesdropped on this conversation the conversation he brought a report against this person, the relevant authorities arrested this person, the judge concluded that this person who eavesdropped on him was deeply traumatized by these words and that his countryman was making calls to the russian armed forces, eavesdropping on this person was illegal in general you cannot eavesdrop private, together, this person did not say anything anywhere, public , at all, this is the world of words at all . they did not stand anywhere , even on the street, even in social networks, even with a white sheet of paper. she was just on the phone in her house, she says things

easily that were recorded by an illegal eavesdropper of her private conversation, who received psychological trauma from this and this person will sit in prison for this accused and for what else well, now imagine that you live in moscow what will you do you can't pick up the phone, you can't talk to anyone, well, you, oh, the weather is wonderful , oh, dozhdeh, here goes everything and all of existence , if you are a supporter of this, then in general, everything is with you now. you are just lying and saying these in this company of those who are silent and you you see how our president is our nato eh-eh-eh oh, i'm going to the bathroom now where are you here to wash your hands, they tell you one oh, you know i've burnt all my pies now, i'm going to get some pies says another oh, you know i'm alone here

happened i will run away says the third well, they all leave and you sit well, all in principle no one told you to do that to me now it is such a circus tent , i observe that even there are many million-dollar bloggers on instagram, artists who were during the war and supported putin and here they shouted that we are alone and protected by the president well done, putin, the good guys, now criminal cases were filed against them for some well, i don’t know exactly, of course, but rather ill-conceived articles, because for many years they have been engaged in this activity, there they sell some info products, and then suddenly , cases are opened against all of them at the same time although they supported even their telephones were taken away from the war. what did i lead to? as far as their democracy is concerned, it is simply not enough to actively leave . you know, ani lorak is now banned from speaking. she did not condemn putin, she did not

condemn russia, they just said that she was in pain. that there is a war, well, at the beginning, it hurts, that where is the war, she is a ukrainian woman from them and her relatives are in a terrible state, tell me, this is how we can hold the concerts of this traitor, she will give money to the armed forces and i warned these ukrainian collaborators, i told them you you know, in 2008, when there was a war against georgia , the decision was secret, but i know it simply, when all persons of georgian ethnic origin who worked in the state structures of the russian federation were deprived of access to the secret secret to the state secret a what does it mean when you are deprived of the board of the state magician and the type of official put in place will allow everything, well, do n't scream like that in january, first of all , no one is looking at you seriously anymore.

mandalak and serving the public with your mouth, that's all, but your career has a clear level of opportunities with ukraine it's much worse because it's a full-scale war if you think what can you say i'm ukrainian and my heart aches for ukraine but i'll sing here nothing sooner or later, they will kick you out. yes, and from there, and from here, god forbid, if they don't beat or poison them there, i gave an interview to one of the moscow polytechnics, the author, the author of the whole , and i was very surprised why she asked such bold questions and they confessed that they were poisoned with heavy metals, they were just poisoned, she says that she is already undergoing rehabilitation, but she did not even appear on the screen , we do not know what she looks like now, i always ask why, i think, how is she not afraid to ask such questions? now it is clear that she was not afraid simply because she is a strong person, but they didn't even threaten her to go out there, they just

started to slowly poison her, just horror, and by the way, i want to say that ani lorak, maybe she is not some kind of activist, but she is a person who said what she said in which, regarding the appeal, that she is ukrainian, it is enough that her initials are three and whether or not, who is stopping them ? so, i believe that artists like ani lorak did not decide immediately, did not immediately return to ukraine , or at least did not leave for europe in the 14th year had to be determined, you remember when it was the 14th year, our show business had one main idea, all these screenwriters, all these authors of these serials, that we need to return to the russian market, what a horror this war is. we can’t

uh, sell our serials, uh, to moscow. we can't perform at russian concerts , what did these nationalists do to us, well, that's not what happened, i went for a ride, now of course they look absolutely terrible. of another nationality because constitutionally - this is not a subversive state. for this, a special law needs to be passed, let's just say there about a collaborator, about collaboration, etc., etc., but i am absolutely sure that citizens who betrayed the motherland should be deprived of these honorary titles and etc., etc. of ukraine, if a person is under suspicion for treason there or for something else , and he is a hero of ukraine, along with this, a soldier sacrifices his life for a hero, except that the rank is not leveled, and the same there from the national