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is the only news, we are ukraine, congratulations to all yuliya galushka and oleg biletsky are working for you in the studio. good night, and we will immediately inform you about the air alarm, now it is sounding in the chernihiv , sumy, kharkiv, luhansk, donetsk regions and in the crimea, as well as in the nikopol region, be careful. please do not ignore these signals in case if those regions will change, the actual list of regions where an air alert has been announced, you will learn about it from our broadcast. well, for now , let's move on to the first topic to be discussed in this hour. so, it is dangerous and irresponsible this is the characterization nato gave to vladimir putin's decision to deploy nuclear weapons in belarus, the writer's agency e writes about it. they emphasized that it is impossible to justify this adventure with the alliance's program on the distribution of nuclear weapons, because russia is a permanent violator of any international

treaties, including non-proliferation at the same time, the alliance currently does not see the threat of using nuclear weapons, meanwhile, the ukrainian foreign ministry demands an immediate emergency meeting of the un security council and calls on great britain, china, the united states and france to counter the nuclear blackmail of the kremlin about this and not only we will talk with the guest of our studio, this is igor ratyrovich, political scientist, political consultant igor, we congratulate you , congratulations. how do you evaluate these statements of putin and the world's reaction to them ? generally characterizes the reaction of the civilized world, first understand the essence of the problem, see what it can lead to, and then draw certain conclusions or make certain decisions. in addition , you know this is such a constant signal. well, maybe something

tired of him who appeals somewhere to adequacy and to common sense yes well, the answer is obvious but nevertheless, well, in western democracies they will do it , they will do it for a long time as far as this story is concerned, on the one hand, it is a continuation of the blackmail that russia is engaged in since the beginning of the large-scale invasion of ukraine, as soon as they have a catastrophic situation at the front or there are no imaginary victories there, they start to pull out this nuke and wave it there and scare the whole world from the other side. i will not be surprised that this statement was made in the background, you know, after the taste of the visit, and putin had to at least somehow emphasize and strengthen the loss of that subjectivity that everyone absolutely recorded after this visit , expensive placement, we cannot keep this information off the air of poltava and dnipropetrovsk region air alert friends there in the shelter, it also just became known about the air alert in zaporizhzhia region and you see how the air

alert is spreading across ukraine map now in front of your eyes please do not neglect like me we promised, this is such a forced measure , we are interrupting ourselves, we are on the air in order to, er, it is a priority to notify about air alarm signals, er, well, we will continue like this , that is, here, or you finish the sentence, or if the question is, then i will say what, just er everyone made a certain conclusion after the visit of the chinese leader, who, by the way, separately said that the issue of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons is fundamental for china, and maybe putin decided to at least show that so that i would not be told there, even in relation to the allies will act as i consider necessary , by the way, they are spreading the same story after the 21st year about belarus and here it is more telling that there is silence on the part of belarus, there are no statements, no comments , maybe for them it also became a certain surprise that they are on their territory decided to deploy these nuclear weapons, but there is still time until july, well, there is enough of it and

not only that well, they will change their position and under the pressure of other countries, for example , they will be forced to abandon this . lukashenko also said before that that aegean russia will show everyone that it is obvious that he is not against it at all. well, maybe he is not against it, but you know, there is one nuance, because putin likes to say that the accession of some countries to nato automatically makes these countries a target for russian missiles. well, there is finland, sweden, and so on. now he actually well, he sets up belarus because he logically makes them a target of the alliance because the alliance will be forced to react somehow. i am not saying that they do not fire missiles at them in any case, but to take into account that including well, no god forbid that in the worst case scenario, it might fly in from this territory, well, it will somehow force them to pay more attention to this territory , both from the point of view of the introduction of sanctions and from the point of view of direct military, well , military countermeasures, and this should also be understood , whether or not you think that putin did it

deliberately in order to cut off lukashenko's last paths to some kind of dialogue with the west . well, he has already cut him off so many times . those are not numerous, but still the white army should participate directly in the war against ukraine, that is, not through some mercenaries there or in front of well, what he leased or not leased a training ground and weapons there, he told the whole of russia and gave his territory directly he is not taking this last step, it is possible. in this way, putin is really pushing somewhere, but uh, well , everything can work on the contrary here. lukashenko will say well , i have now there is the protection that i dreamed of global so why should i interfere at all war because the logic of nuclear weapons, and by the way, putin once said about this , well, it makes no sense to believe him at all, and the same lukashenko said that it should never be activated and fired, it should simply be as a means of deterrence, having received such a means, he can say that i i have achieved what i wanted and everything is normal, you see here, it is also

interesting. well, what will be the reaction of the world, because we understand that here we really need to entertain and approach thoroughly, although well, let's say so , according to those moods, according to the climate that is now well, for example, from the white house from washington, we understand that they are calm about it, that is, they say that there are no signs at the moment, we do not know if they will appear later, but there is a different reaction. i understand that with all due respect to the partners there, bulgaria is this is definitely not the level of the white house and washington, their reaction . yes, but still, the vice president of this country , iliana yotova, says that listen , after this news, everyone sit down at the negotiating table, and this is a single one such a precedent of understanding that eh as in this the situation can be improved, or will we hear something similar from other capitals in the future, i do not think that it will be of a mass nature, some individual statements may sound somewhere, and you know how the saying goes, where it

is subtle. peacekeeping or pseudo-peacekeeping initiatives. maybe the hungarians will become more active in the near future and make some kind of similar statement, but it will definitely not be those countries that are clearly on the side of ukraine, this time and secondly, and that are categorically against any kind of which are related to nuclear issues, that is, they may not even possess nuclear weapons. but of course, for them, this issue is fundamental in europe. as for such countries, just look at great britain, france, which possess all the others , or they are under the nuclear umbrella of the united states or are under - those borders are the arsenals of britain and france. but it is clear that germany, too. we have situations and will not remain silent because for e and the elites of these countries and for the citizens, well, this is a matter of principle , and if putin thinks that it will play to his advantage from the point of view of forcing ukraine to some kind of peace on its terms, here on pho most likely everything will work the other way around because well , there have already been precedents, but they don't understand it, because this is a flaw of any authoritarian regime, by the way, the question with china is how

xi jinping will react and will he react, because on the one hand, so many meetings took place here, he was promised something about non-distribution . and here is such a step. well, i think that they will not publicly comment on anything yet, because there are two versions. well, someone says that they are a conspiracy they even agreed that putin will play a little in these games, and sisinpin for 7 will be with his standard smile, which is observed from the other side at all diplomatic events. the leader of china, because he needs to somehow er, well, raise the role and status of russia there, but as soon as they receive information through some closed channel, most likely , the information will come that we did not agree. and in general , there is no need to do such things. well, they mean they will say that there were some insurmountable circumstances regarding the completion of those warehouses and it must somehow be postponed somewhere, this is an eternal story, and a complete bluff is possible and that means nothing will happen, but well, they are building right there and then . the question is that they started these conversations from

the 21st year, that is, in principle, money was allocated, some planes were rebuilt there, and so on . here he said that we will bring it , as it were, place it there, and also train belarusian pilots and soldiers so that they can use it, here, most likely, for now bluff therefore, by the way, such a calm and sufficient reaction on the part of the same white house, well, now it is very difficult to move nuclear weapons, even tactically, it can be tracked in principle. i think that they simply have all the information that there are no movements here. this is a statement for now , but if movements there will be. well, we must prepare for different reactions, well, the most likely is the one that is suggested. this is simply the placement of additional anti -missile defense equipment on the border with the same belarus, including equipment that can strike storage sites. of these nuclear weapons. you see, this is the same game that putin plays, which can be played in twos, threes, and in a much larger format. if he takes such a first step, well, everyone should be aware that sooner or later there will be an answer to this, and here

the question is still being placed on the territory of belarus will putin give lukashenko as much influence as putin likes to say nuclear, he doesn't say a club, he says a nuclear razor, this is the lexicon of st. petersburg spaniards, well, this is typical for him. the decision to influence something, even in the statement that we will train the belarusian military there, i have some doubts that it will actually be the belarusian military, maybe it will be the military dressed in belarusian uniforms, but it will be necessary to look at their origin and the passports that they have lying directly in their pockets because this is more of an element, you know. well, this kind of bluff game, putin likes to do it in general. and he has done it many times, and the event succumbed to this bluff, but what is strange about this story is that he probably has a really critical situation if he resorts to this again, to the point that he did it at least two times very widely after february 24 and it did not work, that is, the world

did not react to that at first, somehow, as if by insurance, but the second time when they spread this topic, well , the reaction was like this oh, that's enough, that's enough to tell something, we know that you are just a disaster on the front, it was after our counteroffensive there, and you again started to tell something about nuclear weapons. well, there is medvedev, who likes to write posts, then he erased and erased these posts because he wrote them about the red lines from the degree let's say it's not only voltage i'm about it er volodymyr zelenskyi announces steps to protect against external and internal threats we learned about it from a traditional video message this is this game how do you speak in two or three well of course because ukraine in this case well, we are at the forefront, well, in force, as the circumstances have developed. we understand that we are taking various initiatives, and it would be good if there was, of course, a little more prompt reaction to our initiatives, because, as history shows, well, there has been more than a year of war

conducted by russia on a large scale against us, everything we warned about or proposed to do, as a rule , turned out to be what had to be done , that is, in principle, not because we are very smart there. we are faced with this and it is clear that the reaction to this should be not only at the level of the organization united on and it is really interesting to listen to china's position because they will have to explain it publicly somehow and it will turn out that in some of the cases they explain themselves one by one, and here which others well this there will already be a blow to the reputation that china continues to hold for itself. accordingly, here, of course, is the idea with which ukraine advocates about collective security, about the formatting of the system of international relations, there is a system of security in general. well, they are appropriate. well, it would be desirable that our partners and allies to well, they listened a little faster, well, as such, i don’t know if it can be called a counterargument at all, but it is probably such an excuse. we hear a story about what, you see,

the british will supply weapons here with modified uranium to ukraine, and we, accordingly, have to react in this way, well, listen, well, this is manipulation, everyone knows perfectly well what it is that the british plan to supply only , it has nothing to do with nuclear weapons, well, on abrams tanks, the identification armor of this armor is not even offensive, but in the country. i am talking about the latest modification, which , unfortunately, we will not receive yet, but maybe in the future we will receive it, but before that, the russians did not shout that these tanks are nuclear weapons because they use them in general, for protection, it’s the same story here, but for the internal user and for these , you know manipulations to influence some third countries that don’t really understand well, of course it comes in, i will say that people who, well, there are even minimally interested in politics , of course, after reading a certain news in them a certain island may appear. well, i will honestly say frankly. i even met something similar among my acquaintances. that is, they read the headline and think that it is almost a non-nuclear weapon

, then when they read the news where everything is explained in two paragraphs, they have any questions they disappear, the problem is that russian and society will not read these two paragraphs or will read 20 paragraphs written by their propagandists and there will be an apocalypse, yes , in the form of, let's say, shells or some conspiracy theories, as they love to spread that there is nothing the truth and everything is accordingly possible, that's why our society is simply more critical in this regard, it can read everything normally, and we have different sources of information, but it will certainly work for the internal user, maybe putin hopes that this will even somehow, you know, encourage internal mobilization to the understanding that nato is already so close that soon there will be almost non-nuclear missiles flying there. well, in the end , muscovites are already talking about the need for this alarming suitcase gather that there should be people there and go to hide in case of any nuclear strikes there, that is, they

are trying to disperse this hysteria . from of all threats well, apparently putin believes that under the conditions of such a conditional caribbean crisis 2 it will be easier for him to manage, it will be easier to make some decisions, but you know this in reality is such an illusion because it can work in the opposite way, because i don't think that well mostly most russians want, as he sometimes said, that we to heaven, and they will all die there, well, they hardly want to go to heaven now, and they want to live, but they understand that in a nuclear war, the winners are overestimated. we also know this from the russian media, yes, do they want to live? you also need to face the truth and not build any illusions for yourself, more than a year is needed, a full-scale war has been going on for nine years, but the russians continue to confidently tell that ukraine started this whole thing, and if it wasn't for ukraine with nato, then

nothing would have happened it was uh, do you think it is possible to reverse this trend, or is it even uh, impossible even in theory, and they will believe in uh, uranium in ammunition, and well, i don't know that here we still have combat mosquitoes, combat crucians, well, that is, arsenal is terribly dangerous for russian weapons, ufos flying there somewhere and they are falling, well, look, for a certain part of the russian population, there are probably no tools and mechanisms to convince them otherwise, this is the nuclear electorate on which putin largely relies, and unfortunately , many, many such people even did. well, they they don't help, you know, but last year, towards the end of the year, in russia they proudly reported that approximately 10% of the poorest population there significantly improved their financial situation in the 22nd year, and this was presented as a big plus due to which they they improved funeral services that were paid for simply those who died

in ukraine, but for most families it was ok, that is , he died, life is like that, but we made money from it. unfortunately, this is how it works for this electorate it will be possible to convince him to relearn it only under such conditions as it was in germany after the defeat in the second world war, when the territory was occupied and the germans were simply shown films relevant to the zones, for example , where were the americans, the french or the british, they did not they could get food stamps if they didn't watch these films, a proclamation about other crimes, and that's the only way these electorates can work, some part left , of course they don't accept all this propaganda , the problem is that they left russia instead of staying and fighting for a better life well, they chose a very easy way for themselves, and there is of course a fairly large part that removed themselves from this as much as possible well, they pretend that

the war does not concern them if it is directly well, no affects some of their families, but these can be influenced in some way, and it seems to me that with a certain correct approach, the threat of a nuclear apocalypse could reach them. well, because these people are not stupid , well, from the point of view of some kind of education of intellectual abilities and at least things like that, so there won't be a war there, nato, ukraine, and yes , nuclear things are not possible in donetsk - the question would reach them somewhere else so that they would do something about it. well, i'm afraid that once again the majority would try to somehow escape from the country i hope that this will not affect them, in principle, nothing will be affected and they are very surprised when something happens there, as if there is a war somewhere behind some stone wall. well, because they have formed such an image that, you know, it is very reminiscent of the propaganda that was in 1938 in the 1939s, as they wrote in soviet textbooks. well, i will quote in russian. excuse me, we will fight. we will fight on a foreign territory of small blood, that is , they told the whole society that our great army would

fight there abroad, so they did that in poland in the 1939s. divided poland with they fought in germany, as it were, abroad, and then when everything started differently in 1941, society turned out to be not ready for this, and the russians are now. well, the last one is somewhere . the only thing is that ukraine is not going to go to their territory. and it was not necessary and we are not planning it, but due to some things that are happening there, including because of their rockets that fall on their own territories during one of the last shellings there, 8 or 9 rockets fell just before reaching er, accidents, disasters, what kind of accidents do they have there? war comes to them to a certain extent and for them it turns out to be a shock, but unfortunately this is a shock for a small number of people , that is, those who live there in the border areas , but for the vast majority they still believe that there is a professional army and boys they live in ukraine, they fulfill their duty with dignity and defend

the country from nato, this is actually the scariest thing, they start recording videos where they cry, they cry not because they came to kill ukrainians, but because they have security bad and vladimir vladimirovych must solve it, that is, the boyars played bad commanders there, and they actually came there from a peacekeeping mission. it will take a very long time or because of some such global defeat and they will pass by themselves, or it will lead to some internal confrontations, the country will split, there will be some centrifugal tendencies and then some part will say that yes we are guilty. we must bear a certain punishment for this. and we are ready to bear it, well, along with the whole society, let's say, the germans. by the way, after the war, it took tens of years and they finally accepted it somewhere in the 60s and

70s, that is, a change, but what if indeed, there will be some internal factors in them, because i want to emphasize once again that no one needs the territory of russia, no one is going to conquer them, that ukraine is the west , as they say. of an internal nature, returning to this so-called nuclear threat or threat in quotation marks, what should be the reaction of the world, we understand that it is already considered, but in the future, what can this lead to, is this another concern, or can there really be levers or deep concern is it an extreme concern or are there real levers that could hmm well, let's say draw this demarcation line to show russia that this should not be done well, it seems to me that there are 3 levers, the first one is diplomatic, that is, at the level of everyone now institutions, starting to agree and involving third countries, the same china in this story, well, to increase the pressure on russia, it is possible to make some additional decisions, and in the end to start

reform even the organization of the united nations . well, it turns out that the country, a member of the permanent member of the security council, is engaged in nuclear blackmail. by and large, the second lever is definitely sanctions, but not those of a personal or character nature, but for example those about which, by the way, ukraine and the president have repeatedly said that they should introduce in the end, sanctions against the nuclear industry because they do not have a peaceful atom are things that are interconnected, if you hit it, it will hit the russians and, well, the belarusians, respectively, with a ricochet, because if they agree to the deployment, then sanctions must be imposed against belarus and the third point: in the west, they are afraid of him, but in fact there is no need to be afraid of him, the answers should be symmetrical, symmetrical, call it what you want.

there are some exercises there. yes, with the use of weapons, such nuclear exercises are conducted in a square with a tight stamp much more and show that we are not afraid of you, we are ready to react in the same way as you do, and here i am. i think it will be more successful because, well, in russia, they understand force if they see that no one is scared . although this, well, this is an absurd thought in itself, because it opens up to other regimes there, for example, north korea, in the future and in reality, the possibility of simply blackmailing the world . well, this is the way to nowhere. that is, you yourself sign your incapacity when you , with such a regime, give the opportunity to do something , but when you respond with force shows that we have increased the number of bombers and the number of cross-border flights , which, by the way, nato has already done several times, and after that, in russia, the topic immediately

began to fade. they discussed for two or three days and then silence, because they saw that no one would ignore this, and they really and seriously treat it with force , force must be met, well, within the limits of what is usually permissible, with the understanding of all responsibility, but precisely the responsibility of nato, for example, well, there are no problems, they are very careful about all this, well it's more nato is expanding and there already how long the flight time they were worried about because of the time of the floor under the ice from ukraine, now you can reach them with a hat over the border, especially to st. petersburg, the city's favorite city the president of russia, an admirer of st. petersburg's twists and turns, uh, don't you worry about what, uh, besides this bulgarian vice-president, who says that we need peace, his closest competitor in the presidential elections also says that putin should agree to withdraw from the lands uh in your opinion, this is, in addition to trump, a tribute to such a political election fashion, like we oppose the incumbent in the leader with something else, is it really a danger for us in the future, well, in

the context of turkey, i don't think turkey, i don't think it's any real danger for us here at the moment there is more internal competition and an attempt to capture, for example, a part of the electorate of erdoğan, who does not like friendship with russia, because let's be honest, if we look at the history of these countries of friendship, there has never been how many russian-turkish soldiers there were, well, they cannot be described. this is a huge number there are tens and somewhere dozens, realistically, here it is more simply an attempt to claim at least regional leadership and a very important second point is to make money from this, the opposition in turkey is interested in this no less than erdoğan on the other hand well, i am not i rule out that if, for example, ordigan wins there, which is not so clear-cut at the moment, but nevertheless, this is a likely scenario, his politics and attitude towards the russian federation may change, it may become more rigid, because he will feel that he has a margin of safety in

he has a certain time and he can behave in a different way, in the end, we remember very well how russian planes were shot down and how they talked about a blow in the back and many other decisions to take turkey away because this iskon is on russian soil, here they are they will shout something like that there, because if ordigan wins and the issue of the grain agreement remains, it will come to the fore again , because for him, as for the re-elected leader of the state, it will be extremely important to eliminate the consequences of the terrible earthquake, and in this context, the agreement that destroyed it will help them because let's be honest, they make money on this, it 's a normal position. everyone wants to have a certain interest there, it suits us, it benefits ukraine, the whole world and turkey, so it is important to erdoğan right away he will remember why there are 60 days and why is russia behaving the way it is? and why is the geography not expanding? and why are mykolaiv and the ports of the mykolaiv region not involved in general? these issues will become

important for that. there is an earthquake related to him and elections, yes, he has a more important issue of going somewhere to communicate with the electorate, and there the position can change because this is typical for similar regimes in general when there is a new credit of trust well, for sure, the hands are a little loose we need to think about the elections, and it is possible to take some more drastic steps already with a more distant perspective, and therefore certain surprises may await the russians from the other side, if , for example, the opposition comes to power, it is much more pro-western in terms of cooperation with the same nato and the future of some kind of integration, even though the turks are probably already forgotten about it in the european union, but they will be interested in the european markets. it seems to me that these statements they are making now about peace sit down and so on, they well not that they will radically change, but a certain modification will take place, taking into account the position of the partners, we will see how it will happen after the elections, just for comparison, this will be interesting igor, thank you for the conversation otaku late hour price to him, this is

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