[000:00:00;00] rather we talked about survival and emergency aid, today in the 23rd year we are talking about permanent support and already analyzing the situation , today's cooperation with the international monetary fund is a lot. exchange rate, you know, i would like there to be no manipulations here and i will tell you very clearly to your broadcast, just to give specifics, we are talking about when we win back the territory, when the economy stabilizes, we know that the floating exchange rate - this is good. that's about it, because many changes have caught on to this norm and say that tomorrow the national bank will release the rate and panic will begin again . there will be no exchange rate. this wartime floating rate is nonsense, you understand, and the national bank understands this. the ministry of finance understands this. we all understand that it will only happen after the victory after the restoration

of ukraine about me between them carefully in terms of terms so that it is precisely after the end of hostilities and , accordingly, the victories of our state or are we talking about a year and a half now specifically i can tell you the phrase that was written exactly in the document and it was published on the website of the national bank, and there was the following phrase : we recognize that after the return of the ukrainian economy to a stable state, we will restore the policy of floating exchange rate and inflationary crediting, that is, it is approximately written there, there is no priv ties to the end of the war, and rather to the economy well, but i say this in simple language, you know, so that it is more or less clear what this is. thank you, mr. andrii, for this simple analysis of difficult problems thank you to andrii dubas andrii duba with the president of the association of ukrainian banks, and now we will talk about corruption , the fight against it in our country, and what

safeguards we as a civil society can create so that there are no manipulations where, in principle, they should be just no, literally, on friday , a nationwide online vote was held on the nazk platform for members of the public anti-corruption council under the ministry of defense of ukraine , more than 40,000 people took part in this vote, the final composition of the council a-a they promise to make it public after processing the mass of data received, and here is how hmm this experiment of a kind was successful or not . participant of the competition, yes , dmytro kasyanenko, lawyer, in short, a partner of a legal company, for some yen, partners , we applied to the public anti-corruption

council, uh, we experimented. yes, of course, very it was interesting to see how people applied, participated, how they voted , that is, of course, they also asked our colleagues and friends to vote for my candidacy. we saw how it works, how electronic democracy is being created in our country. let's say who do i want to congratulate? first of all, i want to congratulate the kingdom of thailand . hello, yes, we hear it . and i want to congratulate for the victory in ukrainian democracy.

of ukraine in the anti-corruption council. and i was very surprised that many people from the african continent took part in the voting. there were a few ukrainians . yes, they voted, and ukrainians may not have been africans, but rather the ukrainian diaspora , that is, judging from those ip addresses that we analyzed on dmytro please tell us about the analysis of ip addresses, so to speak, and whether some cunning professional bots could get into it during voting . well, look, judging by the way we analyzed that array of data who exactly did people vote for, uh, from incomprehensible ip addresses, there were a lot of them, well, it was a systematic approach, yes, that is, it cannot not be like that. that from one of the same ip addresses or from different countries of ukraine, they vote

exactly for a specific list of people, that is, it is obvious there is a fact that there is a certain agreement between certain forms of the following implementation before the format is a voting format, but i am not against the agreement, it is on the contrary good . this is like a direction to overcome corruption or the creation of such a barrier between the society and the ministry of defense, that is, i still wanted to concentrate a little more on the mechanics of the process, and using a vpn to change the ip address is difficult, and then can we really be sure that well, let's say not quite, to be honest, the african continent or thailand voted purely territorial a-a yes, of course, but i looked. well, for example, there are certain services that help determine the location of this

or that ip e.e. this or that ip-address and in my personal opinion. in some cases there was voted germany voted er, well, i don’t understand how it is formed thus what where when we put a check mark on the website for voting we define precisely that the voting must take place on the territory of ukraine and a person must live on the territory of ukraine and that is exactly the vote that was about - voted for probably in a person should be located and the button is pressed in ukraine and not in some in some other country if software was included , for example in vpn yes which in itself is already a certain manipulation e for that or another vote, or me, then the question arises why include a vpn for voting for a clean and transparent vote on

the territory of ukraine, the format of this vote was approved by oleksiy reznikov, who noted that the anti-corruption council at the ministry of defense must comply with the best practices used in in this system, the key to this practice is openness , transparency and trust, that is why we hold elections to the council, that is, through the use of electronic voting, that is, some of the media and your media did it links to certain e-e resources that were published on facebook. for example, on your website, espresso tv, it is stated that according to preliminary data, all members of the ukrainian coalition went to the anti-corruption department of the ministry of defense , that is, it is not your figure, but certain references are made there to others publications on facebook

, i.e., a timely conclusion is drawn, i.e., the person who analyzed these, let's say, made this post and analyzed exactly the order there, the voting mechanisms, was already sure that some kind of coalition took place. but it seems to me that maybe i’m like that, you know, when i’m stuck, i feel about it. hello, but maybe the people who will do the calculations in nazk or the ministry of defense will turn a blind eye to those vpn addresses, those numbers that were specified exactly in that array of data exactly 42,000 votes, then i believe that if there is a certain doubt, yes, this is my personal opinion, i do not want to offend. i am very happy for those people who were voted for, because there is no profit here, specifically for me, and so that this is not an election to the verkhovna rada this is not an election of deputies, this is a vote in the anti-corruption council, which is supposed to fight corruption, where this is precisely its

direct task, but i have certain doubts about the authenticity of these ip addresses and the very fact of voting by inanimate bots or a group of such in quotes in volunteers yes, some people sit down at computers and stupidly start clicking on buttons in order to get a certain number of votes, and nowadays even the gpt chat is famous today. yes, it will create a program for you in three minutes. task write me a program for voting of the ministry of defense in order to, well, this was my test in order to vote , first, send the code to the email address, second , send an sms to the phone number, put it in the data , that is, all the water data, he wrote it for me , created a small such program the code is so that it can later be used somewhere and only under the gravy phone numbers, yes mass in order to vote, but i, uh, this is exactly my personal

opinion and i don’t want to involve anyone there. processes no, this is a very important story, and i thank him for voicing your personal opinion, yes. well, we understand that it is necessary to protect various mechanisms, so to speak, from possible interference from the outside, and i cannot blame there, whether one of the attackers really tried to use , so to speak some or other bugs in the system may not have existed, but that is, this history is important and we understand that electronic voting should also be under a certain control of specialists, unfortunately, i am not an expert in the relevant profile, nor is khrystyna a pro- a specialist, but we are more than sure that the relevant specialists. well, we would like to ask you now about the powers and the next stages of the passage, so to speak, of the completion of this competition for the appointment and

launch of this public council of defense applications . how effective will this mechanism be? i also want to add to to the message i was talking about just a second ago. yes, i called my friends in poland, yes. many immigrants there are from ukraine, and they say that they were able to vote very interestingly. yes, they are in poland and vote in ukraine. well, this is precisely the ban, and the check mark on the website for voting says that there people must be in the territory of ukraine and must vote only those people who live in ukraine and not immigrants or migrants or refugees there or other people, but that's all for them after all, having a ukrainian phone number , they were able to vote. well, it seems to me that they are not even immigrants or refugees, but the determining factor should be ukrainian citizenship and participation in the process in general. this is probably

the most important thing. i understand correctly, mr. dmytro yes, it is important, but we are now here , and it is on the website of the ministry of defense, on the website of the official website for voting , there, when you vote, it is indicated that you are about yourself, but many people did not notice. this is what you mark. sign the official electronic document, sign what you find with us , vote and have to personally bear this criminal responsibility, even for this, for falsification of data, so they will be held responsible if there is established, so to speak , half of them or their indiscipline p. dmytrenko, let's go back to the powers of no responsibility. i just want to point out what it means simply to take these votes and cancel them. yes, for example , those dubious votes. bots, all these stories there with an african partner, remove all of them and leave only the real ones. the people of my time

did not cause me any questions, only the conduct , do you remember there was such a program sportloto when such balls were rolling and on live air and some other aunt turned them over, so to speak. well let's hope that there is some appropriate mechanism for reviewing, so to speak, those voices that would violate the procedure, or there is no such mechanism or how it would be calculated , yes, we don't have such stupid people. who exactly is the telephone number, where were they registered , when did these postal addresses register all of them?

specializes in this kind of thing, so the anti-corruption council is very good for our country and i'm very uh. in his ministry, at those meetings that he attended, he said that he could simply not follow up on some points, and that is why the very essence of this public anti-corruption council will control the processes of identifying stop bringing to the attention of law enforcement agencies eh eh and establishing there the recording of these facts yes, for example, checking certain contracts, that is , eh, it is the participation of the entire public council in the process of fighting corruption that is important, because everyone is a participant there on their own -he does not have the same powers as the same anti-corruption public council. that is, it collectively has power

. it has certain pressures on society and expressions already, according to procurement and they, the anti-corruption council has the right to invite the minister to its the meeting has the right to invite certain documents to check information, but they do not have the right to interfere in the activities of the ministry of defense for five, and the main thing is not to interfere with the work of legal activities. the chairman of the board of the legal partnership of ukraine , a participant in the competition for the position of a member of the public council at the ministry of defense for the 15th year, let's go further, inform about the most important thing

, china is in favor of a political settlement of the ukrainian crisis and will continue in its own way to contribute to the de-escalation of the situation, said the spokeswoman of the ministry of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china maunin, who was already mentioned today, in the matter of ukraine, we are in favor of a political settlement of the crisis and the promotion of peace talks, and we support communication with all parties and will continue in our own way to play a constructive role with contributing to the de-escalation of the situation, she said little while answering the question about how it is possible to implement any peace plan in ukraine if such great powers as the usa and china do not even are discussed, according to her, in beijing, they hope that the us will also act responsibly, creating the necessary environment and conditions for peaceful negotiations between the interested parties, and not adding fuel to the fire, yes. and we are now moving on to the analysis of the extremely resonant, blatant and difficult topic of the rape of a minor in transcarpathia in transcarpathia the girl's father

will appeal the verdict so, the father of a minor resident of transcarpathia who was raped by three teenagers in august 21 filed an appeal against the court verdict against the attackers earlier from his words, the local prosecutor denied the right to appeal the court's verdict on this principle, we will now talk with tamara, the evil philosopher, cultural researcher, editor-in-chief of the online publication, gender in detail, we congratulate you , tamara, glory to ukraine, the details we have as of now, the prosecutor's office is preparing an appeal against the court verdict regarding sexual violence against a minor in zakarpattia the prosecutor general's office reported on this; in general , the social resonance of this story led to the fact that there were no institutions left or e-e institutions which would express themselves in favor of the court decision, but when we talk about

this or that decision, this or that decision of the ukrainian court, we very often omit the factor of the work of prosecutors in general, the factor of the competitiveness of the process and how important it is when the judge needs to simply really have his say the last word, what do we have in terms of advocacy in this matter, and the victim's lawyer actually did not have the interests of the girl represented by a place for child protection, where the mother of one of the accused works, what do we have in the context of the parties charges during the trial, the prosecutor's office reclassified the case of rape to sexual violence. and already today, the prosecutor's office changed the classification of the crime during the court session, they announced in the volovetsk district court, this is what severyn pavlyuk, the judge and speaker of the volovetsk district court, said as conveniently as it happened. well, we

have a very difficult situation which shows what deep problems we have in ukraine and that we have in ukraine the so-called culture of rape is a sociological term that describes a society in which offenders are acquitted, as we can see concretely. in this case, all the state bodies are these local ones. those who should have protected the victim, they instead grouped together to protect the offenders and give them the mildest punishment, somehow to smear them, and this is what outraged ukrainian society and it is this moment of publicity, it is very important because it shows that we are a healthy society if we gather together to protect the weakest and so that this does not happen, and i am sure that in this particular case, already after this huge

publicity after this and after the heads of bodies at various levels took up this case and control it. i am sure that justice will be restored, but we know about this case, and how many other cases are there in ukraine that we do not know about, and here we need to create such systemic solutions which will make it impossible for something like this to happen, for example, first of all , we have to work at the school level, for example, you said that this rape took place in august of 21 , the verdict was in march of 23, these one and a half years the girl studied in the same school with her nailers, you can imagine the level of traumatization for this child and the school did nothing to protect the victim, she did not exclude these rapists from the school , you understand, that is, at the school level, at the level of the teaching staff, no

steps were taken to protect and to protect the lover on the other hand, the lawyer told you something like the presumption of innocence, well, that is, while there is no verdict against the boys, we can say that in western schools, where this problem has already been practiced , practiced approaches, for example, even for such as, from the ukrainian point of view, a minor misdemeanor that boys pulled up a girl's skirt in our school, what would they say, and they are courting you so much, did you drive them out yourself, did you provoke them yourself, did i not pay attention, you were a typical typical answer from ukrainian teachers in a western school when this is what happened, this is a real case , a reader wrote to me on instagram that they raised the whole school, all parents were informed , conversations were held with the parents so that they explained to the boys, in general, to all the boys from this school

, that you can't behave like that, it's boys immediately on the same day, they were transferred to another class so that the injured girl would not see them or come into contact with this ostrich, and they were entered into their personal files that they had done such a thing, and it is very bad for these boys, because it will be difficult for them to enter the university with such a record in a personal case and when we say rape in transcarpathia , social workers and teachers there also gave positive characteristics to it, as if sexual violence is not a reason to give a bad character to such things, we have speak here is a very important point, er, the qualification of rape, on the other hand, sexual violence, er, is generally a little strange, er, somewhere, for sure, to an average ukrainian , er, to realize that these are different things if we are talking about the legal

plane. your lady tamara , rape and sexual violence, what is the fundamental difference, if we are talking about criminal law, then the difference is in penetration, if penetration was genital penetration, then it is rape, if there was no penetration, then it is sexual violence but if we speak from a moral human point of view, then what is the difference if there were any sexual acts with the text sexual organs with penetration without penetration, it was all done without consent , suffered and we as people as a society have every right to call it such a collective term rape in criminalistics can be classified in a different way, but we have to say that this situation is rape and this cannot be allowed. in no case

should it be punished accordingly with all severity so that other people who would want to do something like that knew that there was an inevitable and very severe punishment waiting for them and that this inevitable prospect of punishment deters future rapists, this is what we most support in all kinds of issues of mechanisms, so at the time i do not want to return to the repressive methods of the best in the world of the soviet school, you understand when but they excluded but influenced but tried, i don't know , to apply some punishment there, including the so-called juveniles, it is about correctional colonies, now we understand that something we would say, they stopped this process, on the one hand, it may be good, on the other hand, very often the parents of polite, normal children are hostages of impudent, er, i don’t want to use the word , so to speak, with a negative connotation

of undisciplined and psychopathic children , that is, a mechanism for throwing one or another out of school so to speak, there is no potential criminal. yes, because there is a lack of mechanisms and teachers are very often hostages of this case, they are dragging their feet, bullying continues and so on, we all see videos regularly, unfortunately, questions to the ministry education, we have a specialized state body that must develop mechanisms, must develop algorithms, bring them to schools and really give these tools to teachers and psychologists in schools so that they protect themselves from such situations and that really aggressive children have punishment and understand what will be the punishment for these actions. there will be no impunity, because impunity breeds criminals

. well, how can we be? stimulus ? humiliation is about psychotraumas of children and so on. and so on. it is possible that somehow we still need to play with the criminal legislation regarding minors , but on the other hand, children are children, they play , they throw stones, throw sticks and fight. the criminal code of our country , if i'm not mistaken, some corrections were made. and actually bullying in educational institutions, in particular, entails responsibility , in particular, for parents of children who are the source bullying for my classmates and so on. am i not wrong, mrs. camera ? i cannot comment here, because i have not studied this topic in depth, but the way to solve such problems can be,

for example, home schooling, because again after all, i received a direct message on instagram . i have a lot of scary stories about how a girl was raped, a goldsmith stayed to study at school, she was forced to go to a vocational school or to home schooling, aggressive children are not the ones who hurt others, they are the ones who have go to home schooling, this can be a very good mechanism that will solve this problem and the second mechanism is a record in the personal file with which it will be difficult to enter a university and that universities also pay attention not only to the results of the external examination but actually to these characteristics because why eh, universities should accept potential payers for training, and it should be good , sexually violent, fillings should be a camp for life, and this fear, fear . punishment should stop employees, otherwise it

will not happen in the end ms. tamaru, your short comment meningo - the un human rights monitoring mission in ukraine recorded 133 cases of sexual violence during the year of the full-scale war, 109 of them were probably committed by the russian military. and what is interesting is that most of these cases recorded are only men raped or sexual violence against men please comment on this well, i think that in fact this violence is much more, we are talking about documented cases and questions before this monitoring was carried out regarding why more men, more women, maybe the reason here, i hypothesize, is that in our society there is still a lot of blaming the victims, blaming the victim that she herself is to blame, she herself wanted it, she provoked it, and women feel this as a threat and are very reluctant to talk about the violence that happened to them happened because it is far from always, if

we can see again on the example of this seventh example, transcarpathia far from always suffered from violence finds support in those bodies, those state institutions that have to protect her thank you ms. tamara tamara evil philosopher cultural scientist editor-in-chief of the online publication gender in detail well, we understand that the key story is not only the punishment of those uh-teenagers who committed a crime, but also the rescue of this girl who should be maximally socialized and protected in this way because the story is not only about sexual abuse . and also the story about her current mental state when she was made too popular and it is also a difficult story, but in any case justice must prevail at least in

the first aspect, in particular, refers to a fair trial of those who have committed such crimes . well, on this matter, we and intin have traveled with you and are leaving the press. you can donate it, we leave it all for our colleagues . moreover, the verdict program with serhiy rudenko is on the air for your attention. let's watch it together . glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko vasyl good day and good health today, march 27, 397th day