[000:00:00;00] nice person and this is also a difficult story, but in any case, justice must prevail, at least in the first aspect , in particular, it is about a fair trial of those who have committed similar crimes . on the off chance that our meetings continue, that we are collecting for cars for our military and periodically during this evening, you will still receive requisites, how can you donate, then we leave everything for our colleagues. on the air for your attention the verdict program with serhiy rudenko let's watch together glory to ukraine this is the verdict program my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to everyone today march 27 is the 397th day of the heroic

resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers in the morning the rashists are shelling boryslav boryslav in the kherson oblast kherson - slavyanskyi , the occupiers are also hitting zaporizhzhia and zaporizhzhia region, the mentioners suffer heavy losses in the area of ​​troitskyi, luhansk region , to the morgue of the central district hospital for last day, about 10 articles of the russian occupiers were delivered to the temporarily captured melitopol of the zaporizhzhia region. this morning, several explosions were heard near the barracks. in addition , the car of one of the commanders of the occupiers exploded in the temporarily occupied mariupol. russian troops continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine , as of the morning of march 27. in ukraine, 171,160 people in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 610

orks, at the beginning of the great war, the russians had already lost 3,595 tanks, 6,953 fighters in ukraine armored vehicles 2,638 artillery systems 523 rocket salvo systems 277 air defense means 305 aircraft 291 helicopters 5,493 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 907 cruise missiles 2 2016 drones 285 units of special equipment nuclear weapons in belarus why didn't everyone call zelenskyi and the un security council will soon be under under the control of the russian federation , or rather under the chairmanship of the russian federation , we will talk about this for the next hour , i would like to introduce today's guest

- this is a politician-diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2014-2019 pavlo klimkin good day mr. pavla good health to you and i am glad that you joined our broadcast congratulations to serhii greetings to all, friends always happy to be with you thank you mr. pavla i am glad to be with you always communicate and talk about international politics, uh, since ukraine is the place where this international politics is actually being created, all the more so let's start with vladimir putin's statements that russia will deploy tactical nuclear weapons in belarus in an interview with one of the central channels of russia, putin said that airplanes are being converted in belarus, he named the number of 10 of these planes, they are delivering a missile complex from kander, which can also carry nuclear warheads, and

the construction of a storage facility on the territory should be completed by the first of july the republic of belarus says putin has done everything lukashenko asked, let's hear putin. we have already helped our belarusian colleagues to re-equip their planes. 10 planes are ready for use of this type . kanter can also be a carrier, and from the third of april we will start training the crew and on the first of july we will finish the construction of a special storage facility for tactical

nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus . еще договоренности состоятся мыше производнее mr. pavlo, how is the transfer of tactical nuclear weapons by russia on the territory of belarus changing the balance of power in europe and the world and what does this mean, including for ukraine, this means that putin, and most likely, he discussed with the chinese leader xi jinping, is ready to further test the red lines of the west. it is also obvious that this placement will be a violation of who, as putin says, of all

the fundamental principles of non-proliferation please note that putin is not talking about the use of russian planes that can be based on the territory of belarus, but he is talking about the planes that are belarusian planes of the belarusian air force and even the very fact of converting such planes and then it is possible the use of training, they are fundamental challenges, a fundamental violation of the non-proliferation regime, this must be clearly understood. putin understands very well that he needs to raise the stakes and

further intimidate europe . understands he understands that at the moment placement is possible, which, most likely, will not be announced, he specifically postpones it to the summer well, he also wants to feel on the same level with the united states, he uh the united states constantly says yes, they are still placed, yes, on weapons in europe for russian-tactical nuclear weapons . according to russian logic and according to russian doctrine, they are used in order to repel

russia's potential is so far from what putin always presented, and the chinese also understand this perfectly, who learn , unfortunately, of course, from our war, and this means that we need an answer. first of all, as a measure, i believe that this placement is also planned for vilnius and the nato summit, and it is also obvious that at the vilnius summit, nato should announce a new strategy, a new concept of deterring russia, eh, will everything be ready, the concept in that i have doubts, but about the development the concept is clear, this concept should still be developed after putin suspended russia's participation in the treaty on the reduction

of strategic offensive weapons. well , the main thing is to put a full stop here, but this is the main real point. in this story, we have to be a part of the future policy of deterrence, including the nuclear deterrence of nato in relation to russia and after the plans appeared in belarus well, so far they have not been implemented but nevertheless, the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons eh, it is absolutely obvious without us being a part of eh such a strategy, such a doctrine of nuclear deterrence of russia, we cannot ensure our security, well, that is, is it correct ? i understand that putin's current step should simply push, including the member countries

of nato, to the fact that ukraine in the shortest possible time in the future, you should become a member of the north atlantic alliance because in this situation, well, for ukraine, there is simply no other way out, well , it is absolutely obvious to you and me, mr. serhiy, this is the only way for us, and i really do not believe in any security guarantees other than nato membership or a nuclear umbrella as intermediate, an intermediate decision from the united states on the way to nato membership, well , it can be two, a two-phase decision, or it can be immediate nato membership, but putin's idea is kind of the opposite, it is that

to test this measure is to test western solidarity and by trying to give putin this trump card and postpone the decision on accepting us into nato, and now of course it is very important to speak not with emotions but with arguments about what the future strategy of deterrence should look like what should the future strategy of strategic the weakening of russia here, of course, is not about emotions, but about security , and when putin starts to intimidate, we must firstly be united with the west, and secondly , speak with hard arguments. i believe that with putin can talk with russia only from the position of force, no other conversation with them works . that is why the proclaimed president of belarus lukashenko says that the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus

is not nuclear blackmail. nuclear weapons on the territory of his republic, but it is obvious that lukashenko is preparing for poland's mirror response, but it is also obvious that belarus is now turning into a large military training ground. and now, in the future, already a nuclear test site for the russian federation, let's hear lukashenko. i'm just letting you down in the last negotiation with the president of russia. nuclear blackmail. we 're not going to blackmail anyone with the president of russia . we didn't pay attention to the last time we turned to the americans and asked them to bring nuclear weapons to poland, where president putin said

, but we, and we, why, why, what are you doing? nothing is happening, we consulted for a long time and came to the conclusion that we are in order to answer them in the mirror within a day, but in this situation, mr. pavla lukashenko is trying to say that for the west , nuclear weapons are weapons of attack, and for us, for belarus and for russia, they are e- it's a weapon of deterrence, that's how he says the mirror that they turn over now and constantly say. putin talks about what you look at, how western europe, together with japan, repeats the 1930s and creates this axis of evil there in fascist germany, where the nazis were and in germany and

in japan, lukashenko is deliberately playing a fool in this situation, or does he sincerely believe that for poland, which for nato countries, belarus is the place where the north atlantic alliance wants to go, does the north atlantic alliance go, or use nuclear weapons, of course i will try to answer, but the best answer is to once again show the faces of those who are listening to lukashenko. in this hall, by the expression on their faces, in my opinion , everything is so clear that there is nowhere to go, but lukashenko understands everything perfectly. he wants to become necessary for putin, he wants to become necessary for china in the sense that for china, when talks begin about containing china globally, he wants to be necessary

, he wants to test these red lines , he wants to create problems, he wants these problems to be answered, then he is you. and if he is in the game, then he is needed and can continue to remain in power, that is, the whole logic of lukashenko, a person who is absolutely cynical and believes in nothing but himself, is that let's help me retain power let's make it so that he is useful to someone again, this is exactly the story about it here there is no big policy, security policy, risk analysis, or doctrinal approach, this is lukashenko's desire to hold the co-government, period, nothing more, by the way, lukashenko is trying to convince belarusians that he will not bend

to putin and unoccupied belarus says that this is what they are pulling him for. he is alive, but he does not give up . let's hear lukashenka again, well , if someone thinks and often signs this today , i'm watching the mass media, everything in belarus has been stopped. walks around belarus on foot and decides everything, they now use all kinds of methods and principles of struggle with us, they know my character , what can i know like that in a rustic way, they instantly wave them off and they ask me to jerk off with a living lukashenko is no longer there he does not accept a decision, remember more than one step in belarus, especially today, cannot be done without the consent and demands of president lukashenko. as long as i

am the president , that is, mr. pavlo. will give up this status and what charges will be brought against him because, well, in principle, he said that not a single step taken by putin or putin's army on the territory of belarus is done without his knowledge, uh, against the background of the story with the warrant the arrest of putin by the international criminal court, it is clear that it was about the abduction of ukrainian children, but still, why do the corresponding or, let's say, similar accusations and similar similar steps

not affect lukashenka when he admits that everything that happens at his uh-huh-huh military base of the russian federation controls everything, he means the self-proclaimed president of belarus, and nuclear weapons for him are actually also protection, he perfectly understands that at some point they will get him in a different way, he is nuclear he asks for weapons in order to feel better, the only problem is that if putin wants it or someone who will be after putin, he will drop it in one second, if not shorter, since nuclear weapons are tactical, they will be under russian control and so that lukashenko is there didn't say that without him, nothing seems to be solved in belarus well, of course he is trying to show himself as the head of the collective farm without which nothing happens, of course he

is that putin despises him and is ready to remove him, but so far there is no scheme to remove him and there is really no way to replace him look how he speaks everything that is actually the speech of the head of the collective farm, everything around is almost soviet-like, but you show them in my opinion , well, that’s what they say about everything, that’s why i think that he is also trying to create some spare, spare bridgeheads for himself, i.e. he is such a political animal, for him power is the only modus vivendi of his existence and he will always do so, but he must take into account the fact that the russians will not let him go like that and if they have the opportunity, they

will definitely reboot him. well, for now what will happen, how china will actually use russia . of course , this is not a comparison of things. but nevertheless, here and there it is about the use . bilateral movement well, it is interesting to see what the belarusian propagandists say. they usually say what lukashenko thinks . belarus is now a nuclear state. threats in warsaw and freedom with a sensitive mushroom and radiation . let 's see. and vilnyus will sink, we will look at

the frosted sunset and the rise of a sensitive mushroom in the polish swamp, and this is how the secret will be done , rush for new things, because you forced us to irradiate and don't complain, now you have been warned about the main thing. probably, in this situation, the gentleman was smoking so that they themselves would not be exposed to radiation, uh, well, even more so because of lies, it is such a mix of uh, russian solovyov and kisylova, his last name is ozaryonok. actually, they mold their voters for themselves, huh? is lukashenka and azaryonok convincing in this situation for the belarusians, because the presence of nuclear tactical weapons of a foreign country on the territory where belarusians live will obviously raise

certain questions from the belarusians, because once again i say it is similar to the fact that belarus is turning into a large nuclear test site of the russian federation, according to you, will there be a reaction of the belarusians to all this, and is this defense that is now trying to find lukashenko in sizinpin and in putin, is it at all perceived and is it correct? is understood correctly by belarusians from the point of view of the ukrainian state, well, first of all, he is a freak who was shown, uh, against his background, in my opinion, and solovyov is almost an intellectual, uh, that's why we talk about but nevertheless, he works for certain profects of belarusians in belarusian society and this means that

the belarusian propaganda is even dumber than the russian one, which means that it works on someone , and they are pretending, they are preaching some final truth . the elections were successful, er, almost everyone was cleared, someone was imprisoned, someone was killed, er, someone just left, and what is happening now in belarus is such a classic dictatorship, are belarusians ready to take to the streets again, er, i don't want to offend anyone, i 'm like you i was very, very worried when i saw 200 300,000,000 belarusians on the streets of different cities every evening and i really wanted them to succeed, but belarusians are not ukrainians, they are not ready

to go to the end, whatever our reasons, belarusians always consider the consequences and this is not the option how you can demolish a dictator, so i would like to answer you that yes , of course, the belarusians will protest against this, but it is unlikely that i really see it. i think that today the west is very tough on this and not only, not only with sanctions, i already talked about it said eh thank you, mr. pavla. remind our viewers that we are working live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social e-e resources on social resources on youtube and facebook

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well, while belarus is chewing over this story with nuclear uh nuclear weapons tactical nuclear weapons that they will have on the territory of the republic on the first of july, simonyan says that she will survive a nuclear attack in a bunker, she mentioned hiroshima, she says that there was nothing wrong with that two days after nuclear after the explosion, the trams were restored there, we can hear the people of siman, in fact, if the impact is one, two, three, then it is indeed possible to sit in the bunkhouse, if i remember correctly, in cherosym, after 2 or three days , the trams were restarted after the nuclear strike , literally on the next one because of the next one day the tram went, but it doesn't say anything about the true goals, it's about both of them, it's absolutely stupid if they're scared, it's an attack

on their territory, mr. pavla. well, i'm listening to this propagandist fool. i'm sorry, and you're surprised at that what can we say about the fact that trams started running in hiroshima in two days and everything is fine. they think that starting this epic with a nuclear epic, they will continue to drive in their limousines on the white stone , there will be nothing wrong with the propagandists together with their hosts, the russians are cooking is it all like that at some point, then they will say that we will press the button there and show in this event, because frankly speaking, you can expect anything from them , especially after february 24, 2022, right?

i always said that from them can wait they don't have any red lines or other colors in their heads lately, they just don't have any other colors, they think they have a mission and this mission elevates them in a different way . and what do they live for? to be around the dictator and somehow keep this power for yourself and use it, well, that is, the russian system, it is actually a purely medieval church of merchants. and all the other scumbags, or whatever they call it, freedom , as for ukrainians, is not a value for them at all, moreover what i see from polls and

because of what they say, they no longer have empathy, well, that is, feelings for the people around them, feelings for their neighbors, feelings for relatives, well , look how they react even to the dead, these are actually people with a completely different mentality. these are people who live in a different mental space, and what simonyan says is, first of all, to try not to be fooled, and this is completely conscious logic. she knows very well that all these idiotic shows are watched in the west, and i think she has some sort of order or something it's called raising the stakes for them there in moscow. well, the second thing is to say, well, nothing will scare us here, we 're the coolest, we're poor

, we'll be even poorer. someone else will allow them to use it, but i would not drink more in the absolute influence on putin personally and also i believe that russia has no more serious levers left conventional weapons everyone understood the capability of their army okay understood the energy levers everything food security has gone into the past, they usually manipulate it and manipulate it, especially in africa, but it doesn't work, all they have left are nuclear weapons, so in the near future we will hear a lot more and i am absolutely sure that this is an attempt to