[000:00:00;00] the encroachment wanted to deprive ukraine of any effective weapons, of course, this was their strategic goal, but also the united states , we were under pressure from two countries, and at that time, i want to remind you that ukraine was still a weak state, still only produced its mechanisms were literally torn apart by the communists, specialists in moscow who wanted to be allies and partners and vassals of moscow, etc. that was such a complicated tangle of contradictions, and in this regard, we can judge from other positions today. of course, today we are very sorry

these weapons were surrendered and we were deprived of it and it was very romantic , a very kind of a step, well, it is incomprehensible to many that you correctly said at the introduction about cynical politics , politics is always cynical, it must be realistic and it must proceed primarily from the national interests of the country itself at least we had to have tactical nuclear weapons, i want to remind you that tactical nuclear weapons are from less than one kiloton charge and up to 100 km, and i want to remind you that the bomb that was dropped on hiroshima had a power of 15 17 kn. that is

today, the average warhead of tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of ukraine in the carpathian region was from two thousand 2,600 to 4,000 tactical nuclear warheads. with nuclear weapons, we were on good terms and he said frankly , he said that as soon as ukraine declared its independence in 1991, immediately on e-e units of the soviet army that were not under the control of the then ukrainian the government or the president was ordered to immediately transfer nuclear tactical nuclear weapons, these warheads, these installations, which we would need very much to ensure national security, they were evacuated to russia, and although leonid makarovich made some attempts there, he had no power over that

i didn't have time especially for the soviet army, and in may 1992, all tactical nuclear warheads and installation complexes were exported to russia. now you know. saying bombs and projectiles with nuclear components which, well, in principle, could also help us very significantly now, i see a song sung by the late yosif kobzon, to which concert russians now go every day, this is about the cynicism of politics, you know, in soviet times bombs, these rockets to the states, there are conditional some topics by the investigators in arizona, when they sent them there or not to mexico, but they sang very good songs, and here in particular no ears, tomorrow maria will die in the pine hammer under the last conditions here

the birds will freeze the pines will not be able to enter the dawn and ask the sky for anything it is too late so let's swear that we will save this sky in the hopes of the stars we will save the planet our good home until it is too late until it is too late side by side side by side joy trouble we must, we must, we must give a firm answer to the sunny world, yes, yes - yes i returned the explosion no no no oleg the children sang i remember we in the pr camp from the 26th year also sang eh measure of the measure of war is not necessary here is the motto of the detachment friendly us detachment druzhny was well but in fact all this was targeted and addressed to serhiy and me now russia can further destroy this planet and it is not too late sergey and i would like you to tell us more about what we had and about the bombers and what we could in principle save well there strategic missiles are aimed at new york alone history was taken away, you divide yourself and heads and so on, but what could we leave from the fact that today, relatively speaking, could also restrain the enemy , the russian federation, and that it did not require any extra effort, it did not require consultation and support with russia, that you

could serve yourself and themselves by this please use, well, in any case, when we talk about both strategic and tactical nuclear weapons - these are sufficiently technological samples of weapons that the installers need to know which ones to maintain, and when we talk about the year 1992, then we found ourselves in a situation where actually russia and the united states were on one side to rid us of nuclear weapons, and on the other hand, we must remember the political and economic realities in which ukraine then existed. i remember 10 in 1992 we had there is a power outage there was a lack of gas. i remember that i was still a senior lieutenant at the time and received a salary that was equivalent to about 20 dollars, and the owner's salary was not paid, and then , if it were not for that background, the question arose of what we

want to keep without saying nuclear weapons, strategic weapons, it would hardly be supported by ukrainian society, because even then, i remember that i went to zakarpattia to those warehouses mentioned by mr. yuriy, where they were located in principle, i don't have nuclear ammunition there they let it in as a military one, they didn’t let it in, but then there was already a situation when it was said that there were low publications in the press, both foreign and in the russian press, about the fact that there will be a new chernobyl at the e-bases of ukraine, because the nuclear ammunition that ukraine stores there , the temperature rises, there are risks of uncontrolled processes and this was just another push to put pressure on

the ukrainian political leadership or to transfer nuclear ammunition to the russian federation as soon as possible. and let's remember that history seems to be in 1994, when he arrived klimt to ukraine, and he then made a stop in boryspil without even moving to the capital, and it was an element of pressure at that time for ukraine to sign the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons as soon as possible and recognize its non-nuclear status, and this was such a certain ticket to ukraine's independence and further cooperation with ukraine in various spheres i think that we actually made several mistakes besides tactical weapons , which i will mention later, we gave up too quickly on the very process of nuclear

disarmament because it was not better calculations of the value of weapons-grade uranium and plutonium stored in these tactical and strategic nuclear warheads, then it actually turned out that if you count the number of plutonium and uranium there, it turned out that the total value of this uranium, which hypnotone was transferred to the russian federation , was about 40 billion dollars. and then the budget of this ukraine per year set somewhere around 7-9 billion dollars, these data were calculated, but they were not taken into account, we did not have enough political courage to, relatively speaking, set a high bar for the payment of our de facto nuclear-free status, we gave away weapons, and for this we received , it seems, 176 million dollars for the transportation of its traps to russia and another 900 million dollars as compensation for the transfer to uram for the fact that russia

will supply us with nuclear assemblies for our e- fuel nuclear stations due to the supply of the sbu, the transfer of arms to russia is actually 1 billion instead of 40 billion - this is our economic miscalculation. we are talking about tractors, we had 3,500 tactical nuclear munitions, they were used in our operational-tactical missiles in torpedoes for naval weapons to air defense systems and these nuclear munitions p yushchuk is absolutely right they were all exported by may 1992 and it was the main task of the russian federation not to leave these munitions, which had much greater autonomy, autonomy both in terms of control and

in terms of use, and i think that this is our second mistake that we made. well, and the third point - this is actually trust in the promises of super countries when we signed the budapest memorandum, where we believed that these were security guarantees, but in fact it was written that these were, relatively speaking, security promises, so in any case, our young country made a number of mistakes for which we paid for our own no no no no no independent we are learning to be more powerful and taking into account the past negative experience and are looking for options on how we will protect our own safety well, i will ask serhiy very briefly, we will now come even further, thank you mr. yuriy strategic tu 160 bombers here and there no there and 100 and 160 here 95 so there were a lot of them in ukraine , they could have been saved either because they were cut there or where they were, well, some flew in, some were cut

there, the last ones were cut, and kuchma, in principle, i also read from what some kind of machine tried to do something because he, after all, as a director of yuzhmash, as a technical person, well, he somehow understood that it was not very good, and i read today an estimate that actually all this potential at that time was worth somewhere around billions dollars these were 10 budgets of ukraine well, that’s it. and we got 300 million p. yuri will tell me now, if i’m not mistaken , in my opinion, it’s somewhere around 300 million. oh, even dollars. sergey, very briefly. if possible , strategic bombers could theoretically be left here. the question of the context of the political and economic context, i think once again of the period of 1992-1998, we are very economically vulnerable. i remember that we cut places then because we had a large number of tanks, we cut planes, we had

an army of 700,000 and we did not receive officers salaries and the army were reduced, there were many such economic ones, and who can talk about the fact that let's keep the bombers, it was necessary to have a significant foresight of the military leadership at that time - the year-long horizon in which we now exist, you know, reminds me of the story from the bible, how issaaf sold his prophecy for a plate of this well, i really wanted to eat soup, and his brother took this prophecy for himself, well , in fact, ukraine can also be said to have given a certain level of security, a fairly high level of security, well, in fact, for a bowl of soup. it is okay to be brief, not about that, because we will now move on to another important topic, whether ukraine can restore its nuclear status . well, at least hypothetically, please tell me what the 300 million dollars were spent on, because again, with different estimates, what we had

cost 100 billion dollars at that time. well, by no means 37 million. i want to add that uh, to that number of our mistakes, we had only 40 strategic uh , carcass bomber planes and tu-160 here, 95 of them uh, under the president of mr. kuchma, 13 planes were handed over to russia, which are bombing us today 13 planes of strategic, very expensive strategic bombers, and of course we should not have done this, and we handed them over as if for debts for gas at a time when russia, receiving from us weapons plutonium and uranus, agreed to supply fuel for nuclear plants for free for 10 years and what kind of gas. we had to pay money if we transferred huge

sums. another mistake is on the verge of a crime, or maybe on the contrary, a crime on the verge of a mistake. these are the 600 x-55 cruise missiles that are bombing ukraine today and which, oh, how useful we would be today e-e in our national defense and in our e-e war against russian bloody aggression e unfortunately, these cruise missiles were also transferred to russia and this was a huge mistake, that is, there were circumstances on the one hand, what i mean is a complex complex, there were no such circumstances when we had to destroy the strategic potential we didn't need it, we weren't going to fight in the united states and those giant missiles destroyed everything they did right, and on the other hand we had to

think about our national security and today i already spoke to the polish press in the ukrainian press. today i am in favor of ukraine starting to restore its nuclear potential. america likes it, but it is not like it, but it is such a bloody war when we are threatened with nuclear war all the time. that paralogous putin. we should not sit quietly , we should take an example from poland , which today is extremely worried about the transfer of nuclear weapons to belarus on the territory of belarus of nuclear weapons within the framework of such a nuclear program, this is a program in which e-e weapons are stored on the territory of some country, this country has no control, but the pilots of this

country can raise these nuclear weapons in case of war, they can use them in plasheling, and poland is now fighting. ukraine is also doing the right thing. i am convinced that we should have and not beat, and this is a big secret. we should have nuclear weapons. so we will be dynamic now, because i still want to discuss two topics with us for 15 minutes, a little, well, 15 minutes is very short we will now listen to president volodymyr oleksandrovich zelensky, who, in fact, a few days before the invasion of 2000 in february 2022, speaking at the munich security conference and, in principle, truthfully criticized the budapest memorandum, which did not give us any guarantees, because even in the english and ukrainian versions of this budapest memorandum, the word which we will call guarantees guarantees in the english version it was written differently there was simply a different word that gave as if written

commitments but not guarantees it is even these such assurances, yes, that is, even in this there was no coincidence, so, er, it is a word game , and volodymyr oleksandrovich understands that in principle , well, he understood well, i am convinced of this that there will be an invasion, he tried to raise this topic of security and said about nuclear security let's listen to president zelensky a few days before the start of a full-scale invasion at the munich security conference. we want to believe that the north atlantic treaty and article 5 will be more effective than the budapest memorandum for renunciation of the world's third nuclear potential, ukraine received guarantees of the safety of those weapons, we have no security, we also have no part of the territory of our state , which by the way is larger than switzerland

, the netherlands or belgium. and most importantly , millions of our citizens do not have all of this. therefore, there is something, there is a right, the right to demand a transition from the policy of appeasement to the provision of a guarantee of security and peace. and this is what president volodymyr zelenskyy said a few days before the war, a year ago, we did not have there were territories like the netherlands there, did he mention other countries, today we don’t have any temporarily, that means we will bomb another part of zaporizhzhia oblast , part of kherson oblast, most of donetsk luhansk oblast, kharkiv oblast, which were still controlled by the enemy and there are no longer millions of people, but ten million people who went abroad and i will say it very briefly. because this is actually also important, vadym denysenko, he heads the ukrainian institute of the future, conducted a survey now

, well, in one time, only 36% of ukrainians who now live abroad abroad have an unequivocal intention to return to ukraine, that is, if there were 10 million, then 3.6 million will return, and 7 and 3, 7.4 million, relatively speaking , will remain, but ukrainians will continue to leave , if the situation continues to worsen, then this figure will be 20 %, 12%, that is, this is also the future that we have to save today, well, on to this important topic, ah, mr. serhiy, let me start with you, i once talked with uh, well, he immediately occupies an important position at the national bank of the academy of danylyshyn. he said that in the principle on the basis of the academy of sciences has everything technological, technological things are all there, i’m sorry, i’m just saying, i’m not a physicist, not a mathematician, not a nuclear scientist, where a physicist is a nuclear scientist, that’s why i’m not a technologist, but there is everything necessary for us to enrich uranium and create nuclear weapons, sergey, can we really

how much does it cost, how much time did it take to make even a dirty bomb, relatively speaking, that our movement towards the creation of nuclear pressure from the united states, because the united states, of course, is not interested in spreading the number of countries that have nuclear weapons, and here i will mention one more story besides the year 1992. remember the year 2010, how it was demonstrative. in 2010, ukraine , under pressure from the united states, transferred 90 kg of highly enriched uranium to the russian federation, so this uranium was taken from three scientific structures in kharkiv, sevastopol and kyiv, and these 90 kilograms were transferred. this was actually a source of knowledge in a certain way for working with

highly enriched uranium. and in fact , it was significantly simplified by some people. the language of ukraine was set by the political leadership of ukraine. i think that, of course, theoretically, we have all the possibilities, even the deposits , the scientific base there, and the possibility of using spent uranium, but in any case, this is the path that iran took , and there is the northern korea and unfortunately i am convinced that we will receive significant pressure from both the united states and it is unlikely that our initiatives will support so i am rather a supporter of the deployment of the creation of high-precision missile oz armor of the advancement

of our missile program that exists today and has significant potential based on the same incompetence, and many things can be solved precisely with long-range high-precision weapons, and i see more prospects in this than in nuclear weapons, because for us, the weapon actually has rather an effect of influence and what it is used, it actually ceases to be with uh, with weapons well, really, these are, uh, thunder, if we had them, such an operational tactical missile complex, the one that is 500 km away , well, it was already much more promising but , unfortunately, this also remains a fact, it remains a fact that in two years actually at the beginning wars somewhere, well, not even in two years, in 30 of 2019, many programs were not defunded, this applies not only to the thunder and the glory of bohdan and the mortars. well, well, you know that , we won’t talk about it, although we need to remind you about it, and you always know, but we don’t need to talk about it painfully.

this is a callous step, yuri , again for your information . do we have everything we need to create a nuclear weapon? can we please but today, perhaps the central question of the remains of my life is to think about ukraine being a powerful state and having weapons in the 16th year of 2016. in 2016, i published my novel called doomsday weapons. it was a semi-documentary, semi-fictional work in to whom i wrote about the creation of nuclear weapons by a group of ukrainian patriots who , in response to the invasion of russia in the 14th year for the annexation of crimea, decided to create nuclear weapons

. i i want to say that i am convinced and i know because i had extremely highly specialized consultants who, during this case, i myself am not a physicist, a doctor, but i had to penetrate deeply into this problem and they stated that we absolutely have our high scientific and technical the potential makes it possible to create nuclear weapons much faster than such backward countries as the democratic people's republic of korea or iran do. we have this opportunity, and i say again that the time will come when ukraine will seriously and officially declare that if it continues to grow, the russian

nuclear threat against ukraine, we must respond adequately and we must announce that we can and must create nuclear weapons, it is possible and we must also talk about the placement of nuclear weapons in ukraine, otherwise we will be like those white fluffy rabbits against boa constrictors all the time of the kremlin who scares us all the time with nuclear weapons and raises the stakes in this gambling game that could end in the third world war, we were so interested in talking to you today that i didn't even waste time to listen to putin lukashenka and kravchuk although i have prepared these comments for you. well, now i will still take the time. let's listen to lukashenko. what should we listen to ? he barked at him from moscow. and he barked in minsk. let's listen to putin, because it's

more important in this aspect, please. we are have already helped our belarusian colleagues and re-equip their planes. 10 planes of the belarusian air force are ready for use of this type. ours is a well-known , very effective complex from kanter, and it can also be a carrier. we are finishing the construction of a special storage facility for tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus. so, uh, that’s all that the president of belarus asked for, all the questions that are in this connection are implemented and all of the agreements are made . the closest lieutenant takes literally 40-50 seconds to answer minutes

uh, what putin and putin planned, oh putin and lukashenko, will come true, please, i predict that in fact the transfer of nuclear weapons to the territory of belarus will not happen, and even more the use of nuclear weapons should be the same, because we remember the history when putin first started talking about nuclear weapons, there were a series of negotiations between the americans and the russians and where they were proven that once tactical nuclear weapons are used, the russian army will cease to exist and russia will cease to exist, and this is by the way for a considerable time, this rattling of weapons stopped. about which now it is starting to be discussed again, now this hysteria is connected with the age of russia in the battlefield and i will try to intimidate european countries not to provide aid to ukraine. so i think that once again the americans need to remind putin what will happen to his country if he tries to make hints

or act with nuclear weapons, this is very reminiscent of the caribbean crisis of 1962, when russia moved nuclear missiles to cuba, as they said in the underbelly of the united states, but now they have a friend this is lithuania and poland moving even to ask for nuclear weapons to belarus with literally 40 seconds again, mr. yuri, in your opinion, will putin succeed in creating this caribbean crisis and then from it well, putin and not khrushchev, khrushchev and kennedy were after all are much smarter than putin and only he has already created a crisis much more serious than the caribbean crisis because you correctly noticed that the leaders at that time understood what war was and they tried to avoid it and you know i would not be an optimist like that america can cover up and they can think do one thing others - it's always done that way and eh pretend that there is no nuclear threat in particular

i remember that this paranoid went to war when the majority, the vast majority, did not believe that he would dare to the invasion of ukraine is large-scale and he dared. i would not be so optimistic. and i would leave the option that he can use nuclear weapons against ukraine or against nato allies, and in this way, i think that it is necessary to respond adequately by increasing our capabilities, what i am talking about he said that the allies and the united states should take the danger very seriously , this is the only way we can stop this paranoid and stop the war. thank you very much for joining. thank you for a really cool program, the comments are high-quality and professional serhii zorya z director of the defense express organization and yuri shcherbak a-a politician public figure diplomat writer thank you and the doctor also thank you very much for joining i want

to say that here you know what to say and say because this topic is so huge and i think that we let's continue this conversation, because putin is really afraid of power and understands that if it flies into the forehead, then he will think when there is no risk that it will fly into the forehead , he cannot think about anything when he was convinced that he will break ukraine and nato and europe will not intervene then he attacked if he understood what will happen as i am now, i am not sure that he would have attacked, but he thought that everything would be simple . that is why we must do everything so that putin is afraid only by being afraid. this dog will howl, otherwise it will bite. thank you for being with me and with us. this is vasyl. well, continue the program serhii rudenko verdict program serhii please congratulate vasyl hello in just a few seconds we will start the verdict glory to ukraine this is the program verdict my name is serhii rudenko good day and