[000:00:00;00] talk because this topic is so huge and i think that we will continue this conversation because putin is really afraid of power and understands that if it flies into the forehead, then he will think when there is no risk that it will fly into the forehead , he cannot think about anything when he was convinced that he will break ukraine and nato and europe will not intervene, he then attacked. if he understood what would happen as it is now, i am not sure that he would have attacked, but he thought that everything would be simple . therefore, everything must be done so that putin is afraid only by being afraid. this dog will be bored, otherwise she will bite thank you for being with me and with us, this is vasyl, winter, the worldview program, well, continue, serhiy rudenko, the verdict program , serhiy congratulations, please vasyl , hello, literally in a few seconds, we will start the verdict, glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program , my name is serhiy rudenko, everyone, have a good day and good health

today, march 28, is the 200-398th day of the ukrainian people's heroic resistance to the russian occupiers. at night, the russian military launched 15 shahed 136 attack drones on the territory of ukraine. 14 of them destroyed the defense forces. russia again dropped an aerial bomb hit the city of bilopylla, sumy region, a commercial building caught fire, two private houses were damaged, a street gas pipeline and a two-story apartment building were injured, one person was injured , meanwhile, russian forces continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine , as of the morning of march 28, russia lost only 171,730 people in ukraine in the last day , the armed forces did not destroy 570 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine

3,6002 tanks, 6,966 armored fighting vehicles , 2,653 artillery systems, 525 jet salvo fire systems 277 air defense equipment 305 aircraft 291 helicopters 5502 units of motor vehicles 18 boats boats 911 cruise missiles 2235 drones 287 units of special equipment about the night attack of drones on ukraine the situation on the eastern and southern fronts the nuclear noose for lukashenka and reparations for the simonians that's all we will talk for the next hour , i want to introduce today's first guest - this is evgeny magda, executive director of the institute of world politics , political scientist, historian mr. evgeny good day

good health to you and glad to see you on our broadcast. congratulations mr. serhiy. glory to ukraine glory to the heroes, let's start with the topic that is being discussed in the world and the world media and international security organizations - this is putin's statement about the deployment of nuclear tactical weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus un security council is meeting this week to discuss the statement of president putin and it is obvious that the ukrainian side will raise questions about responsibility, including at the level of the un security council of russia, but at the same time we know that on april 1, russia will take over the presidency of the un security council and will preside over this highest body of the united nations . what do you think about what putin is doing now, and

in fact he is threatening, threatening the world with nuclear tactical weapons together with lukashenka , will there be an adequate response from the world community considering the fact that as of july 1 of this year, these storage facilities for tactical nuclear weapons will already be built on the territory of the republic of belarus, at first there will be no adequate solutions in the format of the un security council because russia, as a permanent member of the un security council, has the right of veto, and accordingly there and i think china supports it, so we cannot count on any extraordinary actions, so in this case, nothing extraordinary, yes . china has a position that the use of nuclear weapons is not what is needed the modern world, but

i think it is not worth expecting condemnation from russia. well, it is simply not worth it. i think that we have witnessed the nuclear anschluss of belarus, which i mean that belarus is now completely subordinated to the interests of russia federations and all the myths that lukashenko can be independent somewhere, somewhere he can play his game, somewhere he can somehow maneuver, they no longer correspond to reality, because lukashenko can tell his supporters as much as he wants that we do not send our boys to ukraine and they they will not die there, but the decision to place tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus actually exposes a significant part of its own citizens to a potential retaliatory strike

, there is another important moment of the placement of nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus poses a threat not only and not exclusively to ukraine, it is a threat primarily to poland, lithuania and latvia , nato countries, european union countries that also border belarus, and the thesis about the belarusian western balcony is quite noticeable for russia, because, accordingly , russian nuclear warheads moved a few hundred kilometers to the west and actually moved deep into the e-e region of central europe if we recall the presence of iskandirs in the territory of the kaliningrad region, who can also be carriers

tactical nuclear weapons, we understand that russia is trying to raise the stakes and take lithuania in a kind of vise, but let's not forget that in october of last year , polish president andrzej duda expressed his readiness to deploy nuclear weapons on the territory of poland, american nuclear weapons, and i think that in the context of the elections parliamentarians who are approaching. this proposal will be heard several times. by the way, lukashenko is not flaunting the fact that he will ask putin for nuclear weapons, which he will send to the he has a room for storing such weapons, and let's hear how the self-proclaimed president of the republic of belarus, alexander

yugovych, recently spoke about it, the nato agent and genstoutenberg said that if germany refuses , uh, that's american, they'll move it to poland, they 'll move it to eastern countries it is clear where to poland, and then i will propose to putin to return nuclear weapons to belarus, what kind of nuclear weapons will we agree on, what kind of nuclear weapons will be the most effective, but with such contact, we did not sample. on the territory of belarus , i am ready for this, i am very sorry. excuse me , the owner. of nuclear

weapons although in the russian federation, will this help him, you know, frankly, i am surprised by the level of education and the horizons of thinking separately in modern politicians, for example, in putin talks about the fact that nuclear weapons are placed on territories of belarus is, on the one hand, a reaction to the supply of depleted uranium shells to ukraine and britain , on the other hand, the americans say that in relation to west germany, they always do and have done this, but the americans do and have done this since the cold war, when there was a confrontation, and this confrontation is known the soviet union lost a clean tie to link tactical nuclear weapons with depleted uranium

, well, you know how to knit bones from compote with cherries, which is a garden cherry circle, that's what the point is, things that are connected to each other, well very, very indirectly, there is another interesting point that lukashenko talks about, saying that we will have everything there, we can use nuclear weapons. well, first of all, i do not even think that putin will allow him to use tactical nuclear weapons, even though belarus has recently a division of boats that can become , let's say, installations for missiles with tactical nuclear weapons, this is one or two. judging by everything, lukashenko did not learn anything from the warrant for putin's arrest , which was issued by the international criminal

network and turned out to be an international to the criminal court on the fact that in russia there is a nuclear triad, that is, in the sky and on the ground , events are present , there are nuclear launch vehicles. well, what ? and what does the stepson have? legitimate under extremely conditions i would say conditionally ahead of time the legitimate leader of belarus and that is why these his philippics but we are not afraid of anything, well, it is designed for the internal consumer on the collective lake who will then broadcast it and say that we will see the song destroyed in warsaw and everything else

but these propaganda exercises are, to be honest, far below mr. yevgeny, you have already mentioned the arrest warrant for russian president putin issued by the international criminal court . does the issuance of this warrant mean the issuance of this warrant ? - he can be arrested by the 122 countries of the world that ratified the rome statute that no one is going to conduct any peace negotiations with him. well, actually , after this order, putin became a person who, if not outside the law, is to sufficiently dubious partners for negotiations, this does not mean that there will be no one in russia who will conduct these negotiations, this is absolutely

obvious, but on the other hand, i think that at the present moment, in fact, there is no question of such negotiations. i still do not see any real benefits for them prospects because the situation for putin is actually not very good, because the warrant that was issued was issued not only for the arrest of putin, but also for the arrest of lvivov belova, the so-called child athlete, and it is actually related to the abduction of children, the abduction of children is uh a crime that resonates in the hearts of billions of the earth's inhabitants, well, without exaggeration, because many people can miss it and, accordingly, it is even, i would say

, a more resonant crime than mass murders and others similar to which the world, no matter how cynical it sounds, is already somewhat used to it here the president of a nuclear state is marked, you know how well, as in the village before, a victim was tarred with tar, he was marked as a kidnapper of children , a kidnapper, and this is for the russian president. well, i would say a very unpleasant characteristic. it is clear that the kremlin is now trying to somehow devalue or at least downplay the role and importance of the international criminal court. medvedev says that we have the resources to strike directly at this court, but already one of simonyan's propagandists suggests

to buy ukrainian lands, which, according to her, want to be from russia, but on their own land, well , that is, we are actually talking about reparations, but in such a rather strange way, we will hear from simenyan. tekhzemel eh those who want to be with us this is fundamental we need those who want to be with us we don't need to go those who hate us but the people who should be with us want on their land see the money is sent to ukraine as if for them at the same time so that they it was harmless, they can call it reparations, they have already started writing about it, and we will call it just a purchase, that is, mr. evgeny

, you see, russia is already ready to buy ukrainian lands, although no one is selling to them, and she is wrong because they are hated not only in lviv and all over ukraine and these illusions that we will buy land here with serfs and ukraine will calm down and should calm down according to your opinion, is there still a window of opportunity for russia to get out of this war in such a way that it does not go through the process of demilitarization and denazification in russia and depotinization by organization, to be honest, i was thinking about that today. and what will happen? well, we often say that putin will die. well, it will be good to have some other putin and, uh, in some other

version, so i think that russia has already caught up. in this war and chances to come out so that putin to save face there for his posthumous mask seems to be arguing with each other edpin and emmanuel macron both want to save his face, but how to save the face of a war criminal and a teacher of ukrainian children i do not know, especially in the system of power that is formed today in the russian empire if various telephone conversations of people close to this situation and they talk about relations within the russian establishment and the establishment well, let's say it gently, hurry up

, nothing good awaits them, i can't to imagine that russia will decide to hand it back, i'm being honest, but on the other hand, i'm sure that only the dismantling should be relatively peaceful, but the dismantling of russia can protect europe from the repetition of similar movements, the repetition of such aggression may not be against and not against another smaller, weaker state that will not be able to give russia by the teeth, you mentioned this recording. we have a fragment of a recording of a music producer from russia and joseph prigozhin and a former member of the federation council and billionaire farkhat akhmedov, let's hear this fragment because maybe one of our tv viewers has not yet heard him complexed and the second lilliput is not more expensive, complexed not

on sight man from the series i hate well, i just ask that when everything ends with what it ends like this, i rake something up, then i understand what is the problem with chaos and eh search for other culprits, they will save their ass by that. today, because it is impossible to be justified by the environment, here is such a fragment of the recording . yosyp prigozhin already said that it was a montage, but i am sure that this recording is probably surpassed all the records of his wife valeria, who tried to be a megastar in the russian federation. well, it seems to me that this track will be a hit in all the charts in the russian federation and outside the russian federation. under putin and everyone who licks his ass still understands that the end

is inexorable for putin and putin's russia , not even when this dissatisfaction they show in telephone conversations, well, such so-called kitchen conversations in the traditions of the soviet union, when they will become a reality, when these people will start to do something, because at least openly protest against putin and what will eventually create an internal front in the russian federation, you know, we have to admit that we overestimated the mood inside russia, remember that a year ago we assumed that the sanctions and significant losses, they cause some kind of active movement inside russia and there will be enough people who will be ready not to associate with putin, but in reality there is no such thing and even those hundreds

of thousands of potential conscripts who fled in the fall after the decree on limited mobilization, they are more likely to be a hybrid operation of the russian special services than, well, in my opinion, than those who simply decided to part with russia forever, so i think that the situation will be when various russians will rise from their knees and start protesting against putin she practically did not foresee it, it must be some kind of powerful trigger, let's say a very powerful defeat of russia on the ukrainian front, which simply cannot be hidden, and then there may be a certain domino effect, but i repeat that there may be

a situation when they hang putin's corpse they will say well, let's come to an agreement, because it was he who forced us to do everything, but in fact it is the mood within russian society and this also needs to be realized , that is, russian society. i understand that it will take a very long time to realize what is happening on the territory of ukraine, since television is under their control in the russian federation, they have a church under their control, which actually came out on the side of vladimir putin and the war. well, in fact , all attitudes in russia are the same in one way or another was formed not only in the last nine years in relation to ukraine , it has been for centuries in the russians. there has been a lack of love and hatred for ukrainians. you, as a historian, how do you explain this hatred

and this anger with which the russians are now coming to our land they kill ukrainians, they destroy our cities, where are the origins of anger and hatred, when did it appear historically, and the reasons for this, why, why is it so long, anger and hatred live in russians, i think that there are several components here, on the one hand, you are absolutely right in because really limited channels are reported information to the average russian. he lives in a kind of digital colony where there are not many opportunities to receive alternative information , it is still an opportunity, but not everyone wants to use it, but the second component is much more important, because the process of dehumanization of ukrainians demonstrates that ukrainians are

people of the second sort of, it has been going on since 2014 in the most active way since the crucified boy , but it is based on the thesis of the triune slavic people, and that is why i say that we , russians, and belarusians are not relatives, not brothers we are neighbors, we have the same belarusians, if there is a real opportunity for this, even if it is minimal to build good-neighborly relations on some other level with russia , there are no chances for good-neighborly relations, because the concept of a single slavic nation of ukrainians, well, belarusians could not be on the same level as russians and no matter how hard they try , we should accordingly do everything so that russia in its current form is dismantled

, it is the direct personification of imperial evil , it is the personification of a person of hatred ideology, it is the personification of authoritarianism, and that is why we have to fight it, while emphasizing on becoming like russia , yesterday volodymyr zelenskyi said that the russians destroyed about 500 religious buildings in ukraine, for them it is a church, he said only hundreds of religious buildings were all religions and denominations, including churches, mosques, synagogues of learning and administrative buildings of religious communities of ukraine, were damaged as a result of the russian invasion of ukraine.

a powerful fifth column is a branch of the russian orthodox church, which is called the ukrainian orthodox church and, well, the moscow patriarchate is not added there, but actually it is quite possible to add the moscow patriarchate tomorrow, march 29, the monks of this moscow church must leave the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra before that they turned to zelensky talked about the fact that they are calling zelensky not this, as they consider it a mistake, because monks have been living there for a long time, from a branch of the russian orthodox church, for them they say it is a shrine and they in general, ukrainians are representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church, what do you think about this component, which is quite important for putin in ukraine, and of course the departure of moscow priests from the kyiv-pechersk lavra

? putin about the presence of the russian orthodox church in ukraine and the fact that kyiv is an important city for russian orthodoxy and for the kremlin brothers, and what do you think , will ukraine be able to limit the activities of this church to the status of some sect, a sect branch of the russian orthodox church? of the church. will putin not use this for internal destabilization in ukraine, considering the number of parishioners and parishes of this church in ukraine, such a threat exists in general , an interesting point here, because in russia, in ukraine , the church is separated from the state, as in most civilized countries of the world, but despite this the factor of religion in the russian-ukrainian war is very powerful because two european countries with the largest

orthodox confessions in europe are fighting each other. i think that the end of the russian-ukrainian war will cause serious changes in world orthodoxy are what the russian orthodox church is doing in ukraine well, let's be frank, this often borders on the term subversive activity and what they were asked from the kyiv-pechersk lavra, which actually did not belong to the russian orthodox church in ukraine, there is nothing strange in this another question how this complex will be used , to what extent it will continue to function as a religious building and not as a museum exclusively as a museum , this is a topic, i think, for a separate professional discussion, but

the head of the orthodox church of ukraine and epiphanius offered the monks to stay in the kiev-pechersk lavra to become monks of the orthodox church of ukraine, but i still do not see such a tendency for them to want to stay there. well, here you know not even church, but legal relations that are regulated by the church code, not the church code, but the civil code. i apologize. the lease term has expired goodbye, and this is absolutely normal , healthy, sober, and there is nothing extraordinary about how russia will be able to use it in class interests to destabilize society, well, it seems to me that it is more difficult to destabilize and set up ukrainian society against russia than to fire rockets, to attack churches and residential buildings and destroy everything

possible . i think that the issue of creating a corresponding tribunal remains very relevant, mr. yevgeny. thank you for the conversation. it was yevhen magda, the executive director of the institute of world politics , a political scientist and historian, friends, we work in on the air of the espresso tv channel, as well as in our social networks, we are on facebook now and on youtube, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook, please like this video so that it is promoted in the recommended and more viewers will see it. well, subscribe on our e-pages in social networks you can also become a sponsor of the espresso youtube channel