[000:00:00;00] and as soon as this information becomes obvious, that is, if it receives final confirmation and not only uh, newspapers , well, with reference to unknown sources, not named , then i think that decisions will be made, but we know uh, actually, from the reactions of other countries, they are late, they are late and the quotation marks about there contain 1.5 e since when it becomes obvious that this information gets out will receive missiles from iran , which we previously, well, the media reported about this before, it is not excluded because ah, we remembered what the problem is, the problem because they didn't trust each other and each country wanted to get its own package of e-e agreements of the church, we put now it seems to me that this

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dear tv viewers my name is vasyl winter glory to ukraine glad to see you in the wind espresso this is a program of the worldview of vasyl winter and i ask you not to switch because today will be an important topic that will give you the opportunity to understand more and see the perspective today we will talk about nuclear blackmail of russia with the help of belarus well, let's remember and analyze why ukraine has the third nuclear potential in the world, it actually lost it without getting anything for it, so what are the prospects for creating nuclear weapons in ukraine , because you see the world is cruel and here if you don't to bite, as we see, they will bite you i join the conversation, er, serhiy zgurtsia, andriy of the defense express travel agency, and the host of the column from you, her summary of the day on the espresso tv channel , serhii congratulations, vasyl, i congratulate our viewers, and yuriy shcherbak , a public figure, a writer, a doctor, a politician , joins the conversation a diplomat actually has a lot of titles and regalia and an interesting person mr.

yurii i congratulate you sincerely mr. vasyl, you know i want to start today with what from the statement of the ministry of foreign affairs of belarus they stated that nuclear weapons are placed on its territory corresponds to international law, we will actually start with this very briefly. let me ask yuriy even more here. serhii will talk more about military topics and the military components of this case. but mr. yuriy , as well as diplomats and politicians. i want you to comment on international law, the statement of the ministry of foreign affairs belarus is responsible or not, i will say yes, hypothetically, it is possible to place nuclear weapons on the territory of the republic of belarus, does it comply with international law ? tactical nuclear weapons that will be deployed on the territory of belarus will be under the full control of the nuclear power

of russia. this is acceptable because, for example, the united states of america has deployed tactical nuclear weapons in five european countries in germany , the netherlands, belgium, italy, and in turkey, that is, but these weapons are under the full control of russia, the united states . i'm sorry if russia transfers to belarus under the full control of belarus. this is an extremely very dangerous step, it is a violation of all the rules and this is the proliferation of nuclear weapons, a violation of the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons. well, formally, they seem to be able to say that we will be fine. they have the right . the world is so cynical, the rules are so cynical, but russia acts cynically in this cynical world, realizing that in principle it can always hide behind

some i am here to start this conversation with belarus, for example, sergius, because we actually took up this topic today in connection with the event that should take place on april 3, precisely on the third of april. i understand that putin has to hand over these weapons to belarus , we will listen to putin's statement later , and serhiy, i want to ask you what kind of weapon we are talking about. it was generally in europe about lithuania and poland. i'm not saying they border belarus, but let's say if we're talking about germany, italy, uh, relatively speaking, portugal , spain, will weapons threaten such distant countries, france in particular, please this indeed, we are talking about the fact that tactical nuclear weapons rely on those carriers that are at the disposal of belarus, and actually this affects the radio systems for the use of these nuclear weapons . now we are talking about the fact that putino emphasizes

that calculations of su-25 or 124 aircraft will be prepared, which will be tactical nuclear aviation bombs or it is about the preparation of calculations of operational and technical complexes of iskanderm, i.e. operational and tactical missiles with a capacity of up to 500 km, which can also be used as our nuclear weapons, this in fact, it just expands it for the countries that are located around belarus, it really creates risks for all the nato countries that border belarus even a little further. and actually we understand nuclear blackmail because and frankly, there is no confirmation that

really if it indicates that the effect of nuclear weapons even in this version is large enough, it affects the level in european countries regarding the movement of ammunition, then i think that here it is necessary to monitor this e-e step , because this is precisely the main thing in these statements of putin because one word is a statement, and the second is whether there will really be a crossing of the route to the territory of belarus, because their situation is similar in the kaliningrad region, where the enemy places its missiles there , as well as they can be nuclear, there are several storage facilities for nuclear weapons, but the americans have been monitoring for a long time this kaliningrad enclave and there are no nuclear munitions in some storage facilities there, that is, in fact, we are talking about the fact that so far putin is using this general nuclear and old and

pop- regarding weapons in general and hopes that only so far, with such an english step, he is trying to influence the countries of europe, sergei scandal. if i am not mistaken, it can hit 2.5 thousand kilometers or not, that is if it is equipped with rockets in the e-e rooms, with operational and technical equipment, there is a range of 500 km, this is exactly the appearance of kilometers that we now see on the screen, this was precisely one of the reasons for the general concern of the united states that russia violated the treaty on medium-short -range missiles, and then russia withdrew from this treaty, effectively undermining the entire framework the security treaties on which the world was held in the context of control over e-e with missile technologies, well, in the main intelligence department of the e-e armed forces of ukraine, they say about that, well, actually, the

former former prime minister of e-e lithuania writes about it in to me, yes, did the minister of foreign affairs say that putin, understanding that there will be a counteroffensive , that he is obviously on the battlefield, no , well, at least, at least he will not succeed, at most , he can be defeated in certain areas. he obviously uses nuclear nuclear blackmail in order to at least somehow intimidate europe and force europe to force ukraine to sit down at the negotiating table, it does not want to, relatively on the terms of the russian federation, in moscow they also broadcast a video and video instructions from the ministry of emergency situations of russia on how to properly pack an emergency suitcase, a first-aid kit , a flashlight, matches, mobile phones knives, needles, threads, and so on. well, this is again, this is how the information background is created, and which shows that russia is allegedly preparing now to survive nuclear wars. in fact, all these suitcases with flashlights and needles and threads. i'm sorry for my bare ass, because when

a real nuclear war begins with real strategic missiles that will explode in moscow, of course all this will be needed. is it because after some time archaeologists will find it and say, oh, many years that's why in moscow people carried mobile phones in their suitcases than needles and threads, that's the only thing you might need it for, but we'll go back to putin and lukashenka. literally in 15-20 minutes , we'll continue this conversation about the present and now i want to go back in time to 1991, when, in my opinion, if i'm not mistaken, in the act of when the act of declaring the sovereignty of ukraine was being prepared, the nuclear-free status as such was provided for as one of the conditions as ivan drach saw it then. it was his initiative that when we will vote for a nuclear-free status, we are recognized as a powerful world power and we will have a chance for independence, because in this way we will be able to be apart from the fact that the soviet union was a nuclear state, and

if we are nuclear-free, we cannot be part of the soviet union, this was also the logic, that's where it all started, and then we'll move on to the year 1994, when leonid kravchuk initiated it, but unita kuchma signed it. this is the infamous, unfortunately, budapest memorandum , and ukraine got rid of the third nuclear potential in the world. i'll start with you, by the way, you were in ukraine in the united states of america when you were in your fourth year, it didn't happen in america, in budapest, but in any case, i want you to tell a little about this story, uh, could it be otherwise, how did this 3-4 year long process of relinquishing

nuclear status happen ? especially in such difficult issues as the issue of war for peace and nuclear weapons, and it turned out that ukraine, in principle , became a nuclear hostage of the soviet union, it was not ukraine that asked to place huge stocks of nuclear weapons on its territory, stalin khrushchev, brezhnev, and even the first secretary and the communist party of ukraine did not decide anything for ukraine. and we had 17 intercontinental ballistic missiles placed on our territory, of which 90 are terrible ss 19 missiles

satan and six with three separate warheads were also placed 46 ss-24 nuclear missiles with 10 warheads and thus there were 1,240 nuclear warheads which were aimed mainly at the united states of america i quite often met with the minister of defense of the united states at that time in the william empire, here they are showing now, just like our leaders, they are showing leonid makarovich kravchuk and belokryntov of those times , and i remember very well when in 2000 in the william empire and his deputy, who later became a minister of defense ashton carter came to kyiv, we had a meeting with them and they brought their book, which was called er

preventive defense, such a preventive defense in which er, i translated several pages of this book, it was written, they were horrified when they were taken to the mykolaiv region, the minister of defense of ukraine at that time, rodets, the army general, showed these mine launchers where the giant missiles were and they saw the map of iz carter told me that he was horrified when he saw his own state, at which these missiles were aimed they were certainly afraid, and not only for the united states, but also for great britain, these soviet missiles were aimed at germany, and it is clear that the strategic goal of the united states was to avoid this

threat of the elimination of nuclear forces from of the soviet union and, in particular, its liquidation on the territory of ukraine. it must be understood that we were under pressure not only from russia, which naturally wanted to deprive ukraine of any effective weapons from its imperial encroachments. it is clear that this was their strategic goal , but also the united states. were under the pressure of two countries, and at that time i want to remind you that ukraine was still a weak state, still only producing its own mechanisms, it was literally torn apart by the communists, specialists in moscow who wanted to be allies and e party and e-e vassals of moscow and so on. that was such a complicated tangle of contradictions and e-e in this regard

we can judge from other positions today . romantic, very kind of a step, well, it is incomprehensible to many that you correctly said at the introduction about cynical politics, politics is always cynical, it must be realistic and it must proceed primarily from the national interests of the country itself, at least we should have tactical nuclear weapons, i want to remind you that tactical nuclear weapons are from less than one kiloton, and the charge is up to 100 km, and i want to remind you that what was dropped on hiroshima , it had a power of 15-17 filotons, that is, this is the average warhead of tactical nuclear weapons on the territory today

in the carpathian region of ukraine, there were between 2,600 and 4,000 tactical nuclear warheads. leonid makarovych kravchuk and when i was writing my book, ukraine, i had a choice, i asked him how the situation with nuclear weapons was. were on good terms, and he frankly said that as soon as ukraine declared its independence in 1991 , the units of the soviet army, which were not under the control of the then ukrainian government or the president, were ordered to immediately transfer the nuclear in fact, nuclear weapons, these warheads, these installations, which we would really need to ensure national security, they were evacuated to

er russia and er, although leonid makarovich made some attempts there, but he had no power at that time, he did not particularly have control over the soviet army, and in may 1992, all tactical nuclear charges and installations of the complexes were exported to russia. now you know, i will now give the floor to serhii. and shells with nuclear components, which, in principle , could also help us very significantly now . here is a song sung by the late yosif kobzon , to which concert russians now go every day. bombs, these rockets to the states there are conditional some tennis others arizona when there they sent them or not to mexico but they sang very good songs and here in particular ni ushta

will die tomorrow mariam umolton pines under the last conditions here the birds will freeze the pines will no longer be able to come zarya and ask it's too late for the sky, so let's swear that we will save this sky in the hopes of the stars, we will save the planet, our good home, until it's too late, until it's too late , next to each other, next to each other, joy, trouble, we must, we must, we must firmly answer the solar world, yes, yes, yes, nuclear explosion, no, no, oleg sang i's children i remember in the myyarsk camp from 2006, they also sang eh, the measure of the war is not necessary, this is the motto of the druzhny detachment, we had a druzhny detachment. well , in fact, all this was aimed and directed at sergei and i, and now russia can further this planet , eh- destroy it and it’s not too late serhiy and i would like you to tell us more about what we had and about the bombers that we could save in principle, well there strategic missiles are aimed at new york, one story they took away the eyes, you divide yourself like heads and so

on but what could we leave from what today, relatively speaking, the enemy of the russian federation could also be restrained. and that it did not require any extra effort, it did not require consultation and support with russia, that you could serve and use it yourself, please, well, in any case , when we are talking about strategic and about tactical nuclear weapons - these are sufficiently technological samples of weapons that must be commanded or known and maintained, and when we talk about the year 1992, then we found ourselves in a situation when russia and the united states were actually on the same side to save us nuclear weapons, and on the other hand, you have to remember the political and economic realities in which ukraine existed at that time. i remember 10 in 92 we were there and there was a blackout and there was a lack

of gas. i remember that at that time, i was still a senior lieutenant and received a salary of 10-20 dollars, and the owner's salary was not paid, and then, if it were not for that background , the question arose that we want to keep strategic nuclear weapons, it would hardly have happened supported by ukrainian society because even then they remembered chernobyl very well and here i remember that i i just went to zakarpattia to the warehouses mentioned by mr. yuriy, where the nuclear munitions were stored. in principle , they did not let me go there. as a military vehicle, they did not let me there, but at that time there was already a situation when it was said that there were low publications in foreign and russian media. to the press about the fact that there will be a new chernobyl at the e-bases of ukraine , because the nuclear ammunition that ukraine stores there , the temperature rises, there are risks

of uncontrolled processes, and this is just another impetus to put pressure on the ukrainian political leadership or how to transfer nuclear beaver hairs to the russian federation as soon as possible. and let's remember that history seems to be in 1994, when he came to ukraine and he then made a stop in boryspil, not even not moving to the capital, it was that you were an element of the pressure at that time for ukraine to sign the treaty on the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons as soon as possible, recognize its nuclear status, and this was the independence of ukraine and further cooperation with ukraine in various fields. i think that we actually made

several mistakes in addition to tactical weapons about which you will mention later, we abandoned the very process of nuclear disarmament too quickly because it does not say that there were calculations of the fact of weapons-grade uranium and platons stored in these tactical and strategic nuclear warheads, then it actually turned out that if you count the number of platons and uranium what is the total cost of this uranium, what is the hypnotone that was transferred to the russian federation, it amounted to somewhere in the billions of dollars. and then the budget of this ukraine for the year was set at somewhere around 7-9 billion dollars. were calculated and they were not taken into account, we did not have enough political courage to relatively speaking set a high bar for payment of our non-nuclear status and de facto we gave away weapons and for this we received 176 million dollars for the transportation of

warheads to russia and about another 900 million dollars as compensation for the transfer to uram for the fact that russia will supply us with nuclear assemblies for our e -fuel nuclear plants at the expense of the supply of these weapons to the sbu, the transfer of weapons to russia is actually 1 billion instead of 40 billion - it is ours economic miscalculations. we lacked the political will to insist on this, and even with all due respect, but they say to him, kravchuk also did not want to significantly raise the bar for financial compensation to ukraine. when we talk about technical weapons, we actually had 3.5 thousand tactical nuclear munitions, they were used in our operational-technical missiles in torpedoes for naval weapons to air defense systems and these nuclear munitions, pushchuk is absolutely right

, they were all exported by the year and that was the main task of the russian federation is not to leave these munitions, which had much greater autonomy, autonomy both in terms of control and in terms of application, and i think that this is our second mistake that we made. well, the third point is actually trust in the promises of the super countries when we signed the budapest memorandum and where we thought that this was a guarantee, it was actually written that it was, relatively speaking, a promise of security, so in any case, in our case, the country made a number of mistakes with which we paid for our independence, now we we are learning to be more powerful, taking into account the past negative experience , and we are looking for options for how we will protect our own security. well, i will ask serhiy very briefly, we will now move on to mr. yury, and here are the strategic bombers tu 160 otsi

, either, or 100 and 160 and 195, yes, there were quite a few of them in ukraine, they could have been saved, or they were cut there or where they were, well, some flew in, some were cut there, the last ones were cut, not kuchma, in principle, i also read from the fact that the machine was trying to do something because he was all same as a director, yuzhmash, as a technical person, well, he somehow understood that it was not very good, and i read today an assessment that, in fact , all this potential was not at the time, and cost somewhere around a hundred billion dollars. it was 10 budgets of ukraine, well, and we received for this field 300 million p. yuri will tell me now, if i am not mistaken, that is why there is somewhere 300 million dollars, we will receive dollars, how much is very good, if possible , these static bombers could be left, of course, they could be left here, but this is a question of the context of the political and economic context, i think once again the period from 9 to 1998 , we were actually very economically vulnerable

. i remember that we were cutting tanks then because we had a large number of tanks, we were cutting ice, we had an army of 700,000 and the officers did not receive salaries and the army was shrinking, there were many such economic challenges against the background of which to talk about let's keep the bombers, it was necessary to have a significant foresight of the military and political leadership, then we could not look beyond the 30-year horizon in which we now exist you know, this reminds me of the story from the bible, how issaaf sold his birthright for a plate of this soup because he really wanted to eat it, and his brother took his european identity, well, in fact , ukraine can also be said to have given a certain level of security, a fairly high level of security well, in fact, for a bowl of soup, p yurii, if possible, briefly, it’s not about that, because we will now move on to another important topic, whether ukraine can restore its nuclear status. well , at least hypothetically. and please tell me about the 300 million dollars, what were they spent on, because