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greetings, friends, this is the face project, i am dmytro chistyakov, my guest today is a belarusian opposition journalist who is persecuted by the lukashenka regime, she spent two years in a colony because she was simply doing her job honestly daria chultsova congratulations congratulations daria chultsova a belarusian journalist, a reporter for the belsat tv channel, who now speaks from poland, in november 2020, darya worked on the so-called piramin square in minsk, conducted a live broadcast, then the townspeople gathered to honor mrs. roman bondarenko, the deceased activist, whose death is blamed on the belarusian security forces. on this day , the policemen also gave themselves at will and brutally dispersed people. the law enforcement officers detained daria . later, the lukashenka regime accused her of violating law and order. the court sentenced her to two

years in the colony. daria's appeal was rejected. she served her sentence in full and was released last year in september after leaving belarus. now she lives in poland and works there in 2020. belarusian human rights defenders named daria chultsova journalist of the year in the 21st century in poland. gerda buceresa, the free press of eastern europe . so, daria, we looked at what it was, what did you get a term for, it's just an ordinary broadcast , an ordinary stream. now let's show the audience the same way the security forces move the protesters are surrounding the area of ​​the memorial, this is the information coming in now, uh, the same water cannon drove up from the other side of the apartment where we are, we called, we don't know who gta is, but

why were there accusations at all? what was happening and at that moment the street was worm-eaten in the so-called square peremen and we told people what to do where to go and where they can meet you are just leading it was a live broadcast, how could you coordinate people on the square at the same moment when you were just commenting on what was happening there, the most interesting thing is that they used this recording as evidence when they deciphered the acacia words katsany comments and we noticed that they changed

the cats e- eh endings in the words, that is, there were the words a-a when katya spoke people go to the decryption, it was uh, go, that is, there is even evidence of the video where katya says they go , they did not accept, they only accepted the decryption with go, this is just a falsification at the same time, but there was no such decoding when they broke into the apartment, they entered the broadcast from the house next to peremen square, they broke down the door, how was it in general, let's go back to that day, you are streaming this and to you who was it, the kgb special forces, who is it we directed the stream for about five hours with breaks to the studio. and a drone flew to our window several times, as we realized later that it was a police tram, they did not understand, there was already evidence that it was a police

drone then the whole area was simply surrounded and not looking at the number of people who remained in the end, they brought a lot of riots there , the number of people who were there was simply disproportionate , the number of people in uniform, in the end, they just opened all the doors from the first floor , and the people who were not they were opening an apartment, they just cut them, so they reached our floor. i still forget what floor we were on, the 14th, and they just kept going up the floors, in the end they cut our door, ah, 8-10 человек тогда зашло and it is possible to detain two young girls and 10 people were there

special forces and we saw several of ours as special forces a-a m-m well, then there was a search , everyone was taken away and the owners who were in this apartment that she came down to rent well, actually, you also accused us of the fact that you violated e trams, yes, they attacked the tram depot, they stopped the movement of public transport, that’s it. we were told that we stopped traffic, although in fact all traffic at that time in belarus was stopped by employees or blocked by the traffic police or riot police lined up and blocked it with accounts the road well, it's always been blamed on the people and also now they just hanged on us even this fine for blocking the roads

. sooner or later they will come for you and give you a deadline, that's where this feeling came from. i already worked for an hour, there were no sites, and for this hour i collected fines for work without accreditation because our channel, the belarusian channel , was simply not given a presentation in belarus because it is the only independent channel that is not he is subordinate to the authorities, he is an oppositional person, so it is clear why they gave it. and at the time when i was still working in mogilev, i lived in several apartments and the police simply knew where i lived, she knew the whole apartment where i lived, and once they handed me a story just like that when i wanted you from home, they just followed you, yes, in minsk

, we were detained more than once. well, then they let us go. well, we could just go by car. and us they took the equipment from all the journalists, operators of belsat, all of them have fines for working without accreditation, and all of them, to that extent , some sat for days, some for a few years. that is why it was quite predictable that it would eventually end everything is somewhat serious, so let’s say especially when we were the only uh tv channel and the only team that did streams because at that moment no one was going out with streams mmm yes it was that’s exactly why you were smiling at the court already when you well, they judged, well, there are photos. yes, you are just smiling with your colleague kateryna andriyeva. and it was also due to the fact that um

, yes, it was predictable. but hm, i'm sorry, i won't show you that a-a um-m-m we got into the spirit, what if a-a you won't see this , you won't see how we cry a-a don't see our upset letter, we'll smile right in your face i think the vacation of politics but we were blindly in the photos, it really seems that we are just happy at that time well, it was rather malicious. well, it's really funny because, well, people look like they're just falsifying all these accusations. like you said , they're falsifying the words in the broadcast , well, it's really. years simply because you are working and fulfilling your duty, and i know that then the international community stood up for you, many

unions of journalists, and the ukrainian union , as well as all over the world. haven't they heard in belarus these protests in support international because the international ones said so authorities that it's illegal what they do when they throw you out for playing a--in fact , the situation that happened in er--20-21 when we were just detained doesn't seem so terrible anymore a-- now journalists are being detained and put in prison soroka a-a and what was sitting i seem just ridiculous the executioners added 8 1/2 years and for some reason they gave eight a-a golden a-a now they gave 12 eh well here

two judges just something crazy is happening a again, uh, the entire international community rises against the introduction sanctions, but the regime is still just judging and they are judging now and not only journalists are being detained now after the plane explosion, and all over belarus searches are just detaining everyone, for what katya was given 8.5 years, you were tried together, both were given 2 years i know that she was also waiting on release last fall, but for 8.5 years , why did she sit in the colony , why did she do such a thing there and change the state while being in custody?

and why is she sitting because it's not but the treason of the family is revealed, and here they decided to simply rob her from the outside world, or the outside world will reward her so that she m-m , or is it just that revenge came because katya worked very hard, she worked very hard , and she worked in ukraine, belarus, and all i protested, in particular, that they took revenge on her because of the book a-a belarusian donbas about those soldiers who took part in the anti-terrorist operation. well, when russia just entered donbas in the 14th year, they promoted this book very strongly on state channels a-a shows that's such a journalist went to donbass, talked about donbass, and they showed it very negatively, and they showed it all, and yes, the book was probably the last straw for them for

their hatred of kata. well, what is it doing now , what is it doing to free itself, so that somehow, eh i don't know how to file an appeal, if it's possible, because i know that when you were sitting there, they gave you to sign a request for clemency , since you didn't sign it, yes, now there's nothing left, yes, she was tried, yes, an appeal , yes, m seems to have passed by just like all epilations and m-m people who even wrote requests for pardons, and pardons that recognized wine, ah, it doesn’t work, eh, lukashenko like that, he wants to be asked for something, they said that we are guilty, let us go , in the end, they let us go, ah, it was with me when they released four girls ah

then they let one journalist go, but it was not pardoned. in general, it doesn’t work , it was indicative of such a thing , um, that’s what you write, it works, maybe someone else will write, let’s write, that’s why you don’t wrote and i did not write from my own considerate because, er, in order to even write a request for clemency, you need to admit guilt in what is not recognized when i am not guilty of anything. i am not guilty. i worked as a journalist. what you want from me is just a personal consideration in the colony, so you come there, and different women, we understand there are many people who are sitting, i think who support lukashenko and support the regime in general, this is life in belarus and they know

what you got for. who are you ? there were no problems because of this. in sigo, and the women who sit there treated us with so little caution because it is something unweathered, extremists yellow tags, well, yellow tags are there for right-handed people, and extremists are prone to extremes, well, this is one of the professionals, and they look after the entire category of extremism with yellow tags and handed in the report, they said that this is such a person, this is such a person, and in the end she is prone to extremism but destructive activities, and then when the colonies began to be filled with the same extremists as us, people realized that um, normal people

complete with whom it is possible to talk and relations, i would say that it is good because that is why so many people, even though they have been absorbing even for many years, they have been absorbing the propaganda of the state that is broadcast on tv and all the same, people have some kind of critical thinking problem, there were only those people who, let’s say , worked with the operatives, when the operative gave the command, what should be done badly, or noah, extremists, different things happened and in fact

the pressure was very strong, especially in the so-called press strike, where they specially distributed those who needed to be put under pressure, and they worked very well there, so the whole unit was directly opposed to doing something it's bad that you broke down a-a that you signed this petition a-a mmm also for any purposes at all and specifically from the country of the administration a-and this is such a pressure when you are called every day by employees there operatives , deputies of the head of the colony, psychologists and they conduct such a-ah psychological work with you, so the authorities no no no no they er suggest

to themselves that you are to blame they suggest that you need to sign a request to sign that yes, uh, i committed a crime, well , imagine that every day they call themselves and carry out this kind of work, and i don't think they've ever asked me to work, i don't know maybe you just initially i put myself in such a way that, well, this is not my boyfriend, but i know now that there is a lot of pressure in the colony, because the girls are forced to cooperate, and our people do that. they go and they continue to experience this pressure. it was like that somewhere a month ago exactly yes hotel takaya information from the colony a-a there is information yes from the colony that is, you could communicate normally with

the world yes with friends with colleagues you can learn something with international partners something lawyers and only so well this is takaya information, go to the internet, ah, hmm, there they give video calls, they will talk for five to six minutes, ordinary calls well, they gave us five minutes. it's also just over the phone with such a payphone, eh , that's all. it 's the only one. well, you won't remember everything either. there was one moment when we, for example, forbade his lawyer to bring any paper documents with something written on them. because they didn't want

this information to be passed on, he took only clean letters and a pen in order to write down something from me, they did not miss any documents, and your awards were international, which were given to you when you were still in the colony. well, not only international ones, in belarus you had an award, then there in poland and so on, so they already knew sometime after a week or two after you and my mother wrote a-a letters, too, since the new year, mmm , they started this i want less and a-a at the moment when the war in ukraine started a-a a letter from the kromyka ot relatives came at all , that is, if before that it was a little crowded and the letters came when i was still there in the dark, and then the stream just stopped because they tried to limit this information, yes, the premiums, my mother wrote them oh

, you received something, all this received eh, then he came on a date, too he told me that you were awarded there, or your colleagues took the prize, there, too, there was something there, too, something happened. mom , too, will not remember everything, eh, and there is such a large amount of information that needs to be told in one day. - but it's just not realistic, and again when the war started and everyone came to us, we asked for information only about the war, and here is the bailiff, when you spend the whole day listening only to this, these are the nightmares that are happening. well, you know that you were not allowed to work there before you already had a tv studio in the colony, we had a pink dress, sorry and pink handkerchiefs, ah, you can google it. how does the colony look like, number 4 of the city of gomel, and

there are photos , even a video, because they come there again in perfect condition to show how wonderful people live in the colony ah. operative he comes to the detachment, for example, and organizes the destruction of the entire detachment, a-a, or they call themselves somewhere again, well, they called me for the first few months, a-and the first three months, they were constantly looking for me for all kinds of people, and then they already came to the detachments, so it will cut a little a-a by the new year 25 they a-a stopped pressuring precisely with the pardon and on everyone just sharply that is, this is the signal that came from above, apparently it stopped reaching and they decided that enough is enough, they want

information that came several months ago again in the attic 5 cm from the 22nd, with the beginning of the war in ukraine, somehow it didn't get to this, and by the way, you said in an interview that when ukraine wins, everything will change in belarus , too. let's build this chain, it's consistent, and what will change, it wins. ukraine we really hope that it will be soon and what changes will happen, but putin will follow him, and lukashenko will follow him, because lukashenko depends only on putin, and he will either run away , or his ego will run, if putin falls there, then in russia too, i think he won't have much radio . well, i hope that he won't go anywhere sbechjat что его по белый рученки также, uh, they will fasten moskovskogo also and minskskogo, and everything on it is held like that, that is, if lukashenka falls in belarus, well, everything will change

, well, not only is lukashenko there, there are some of his henchmen there, and so on. well, will he defend the new one, the same or not? and if concretely, lukashenko will fall before that moment. how will this happen, for example, in russia , when putin leaves ? i doubt that such a development option is possible. this initiative a-a i if uh-e physics hello half of kalinovskogo for example eh who will drop him and back a visitor from tikhonovskoy and everything will come out well, this is some kind of unrealistic if honest because a-ah this is the police state but you are in the 20th year were well, just one step before turning everything upside down, why then the revolution didn't work

because people wanted to make the world democratic, but hmmm, lukashenko didn't want to be democratic, he released his dogs, i beg your pardon, who just beat everyone, killed people even after всех проведлений всех пейток в crucifixion всё равно continued to go out but wanted to do it peacefully well, once again you say that it is possible that people will come out, it is possible yes, if we return like tykhanovskaya and so on, wo n't it already be like in the 20th year or is it more strength. well, maybe people are just waiting for some russia to leave. again , you are communicating where you can return because a lot of people left. nice example, people are waiting. when you can

return because now. this is unreal. well, you will come back. it is possible to believe the words of a-a come back everything will be good, we will just talk and we will live how did people live, they come back , they devoured him, there are already quotes such as what he says, come, i will just put you all in peace well, that is what he said, i see it my way i bought it. well, no, there’s a site, and the telegram channel also has such a system, and there’s a list of people who are offered to return, and it’s written that you’re returning, and you’re going to gubopik. and you leave and everything and people blow here in this well

because it is written that how can you trust a person who just throws people into the car and my desire is to return? back to the point now you can stop by no it's not dangerous but you've already served your fear i haven't spoken so much for 10 terms even a little that's why now you only have hope for ukraine for her victory what to come home how did you get the news that the war started, if you don't show it, there was no internet, there was no communication . how did you find out that such a thing had started in ukraine? and

we found out by a very great miracle on the same day that the war started at 5 a. either a lawyer came or someone had a date. i don't remember exactly, but i just remember that we worked on the second shift, came to the factory and hung out with our extremist circle to discuss the latest news, and someone said about том что началась война well, i just remember my shock and remember the step of everyone these people don't understand what's going on in general, yes, everyone has saved the newspaper for a week, and then a lot of information started to come in , and they started saying something on tv that um, you're learning to read between the times, what's going on, ah again, the appointment of lawyers, more information, but