[000:00:00;00] how realistic is it to collect evidence of the shootings of civilians, for example, in particular, crimea on the road to crimea what did you say that you too as far as i understand the investigation - you are collecting evidence on this case this is a very complicated story , especially not even not so much where the occupied territory is, although in the occupied territories they also destroy traces of crimes well, for example, the drama theater itself. we recently celebrated the anniversary, and that is , we did not even celebrate the day when this terrible crime happened, when they dropped bombs on the mariupol drama tractor, so it is already the traces of crimes have already been destroyed, and the same, for example, after the shooting of civilians on the highway, the criminals are there, the same , the front line, during all this time , the front has moved back and forth so many times that we are afraid that all these crimes. unfortunately, i apologize for all these

unfortunately, the evidence was destroyed, so it is extremely important to record it as soon as possible at the first stages, of course, it is important to look for witnesses, and if our law enforcement agencies cannot do this in the occupied territories, it is much more difficult for them. that is, we, thanks to our contacts, thanks to various means of communication not to expose people in the occupied territories to danger. we are trying to communicate and collect these crimes, and the same applies to the list of civilian hostages. communicating this abroad, we found out that for a western ordinary person it would not even be for an ordinary person , for politicians, for people dealing with the conflict in ukraine, it is incomprehensible to them , hmm, this category of civilian hostages, they

imagine that there are millions of deported ukrainians there and they are somewhere in russia, but we are talking separately about hostages, about those people who were captured in the occupied territories and are being held in secret prisons on the territory of the russian federation. number two, they are being held captive by 640 ukrainian citizens who were captured on the territory of the northern regions of kyiv, slightly sumy , chernihiv region, they have been in russian captivity for more than a year, i.e. in fact, they create concentration camps, and in fact, they are mocked there, they are constantly dragged to interrogations somewhere, they ask the same questions, uh, about some of them, about azov, about your connections with the armed forces, that is, they are the few people who were released, who are we interviewed, they say that this is just some kind of groundhog day, therefore it is extremely important to record this information and we are compiling lists to date we have identified the captivity of 1,075 citizens of ukraine

of other countries who were captured. that is, we plus-minus, we understand, and where they are, that on february 24 of last year, yes, from the 24th, plus there were those who were detained until february 24, for example, in donbas, that's uh, 131 people , if i'm not mistaken, and somewhere about the same, yes the so-called political prisoners who were detained in crimea are crimean tatars, ukrainians who have been persecuted there since the 14th year, you organize the departures of victims of this war and released prisoners of war to the osce site , how do they react to these arrivals to the speeches of ukrainians who suffered because of this war perhaps this is our strongest argument, which in principle can be because we can talk endlessly , present reports, some kind of analysis, but when these international

platforms hear the testimony of real victims, and this is perceived extremely strongly after that , nothing needs to be said, and the support is absolute because this is what we we are experiencing so much this pain and it is so horrifying to civilized society and what is clear is that everyone immediately wants to stop it. hmm , i understand how difficult it is for our victims. the boy is the main event of our last event in the osce - this is a 14-year-old boy, vitalik , who spent 10 days in captivity from the kherson region, and vitalik was still able to speak at an event in the osce, and then we had a press conference planned and we understood well, of course, he did not say because he is very brave and he wanted to speak, but we understood, saw how difficult it was for him and asked him, apparently. and he agreed with us that he

would not take part in the press conference, this is very difficult for the victims and we are very grateful to them for doing it what are they find the strength to say that they experienced collective responsibility or putin's responsibility, and if only putin's. where did putin come from? they should be ashamed, ashamed of what their state is doing, for the fact that they did not resist it in any way, and for the fact that this conformism of theirs and he led to what is happening even if they do not support the war, but they did nothing to stop it, that is actually what they would like to do, but what is more, they are still aggressive, so i met with an organization that is already in a very actively in berlin and the girls say that it was somewhere in early february, at that time there were already three cases of attacks on ukrainians

and by russians in berlin alone. that is, this is a serious problem because mostly women and children leave here, and aggressive men are identified there who are hiding from the mobilization, it was terribly painful for this year, the first thing i want to say is that on february 24, i forbade myself to mourn the loved ones whom i am losing, and at first it somehow helped , lately it has become i feel healthy, i have been there for the last one and a half months, i have already been sick three times with a high temperature for no apparent reason . that is, it is every last loss, and the last one is da vinci, who is going through this very hard and it affects me. i think that everyone feels it somehow you don't know, it's such a blow when you catch your breath and then you breathe

out, i have to continue working on me , but i was ready in principle for all this and i can work with everything except one thing for me the most difficult thing to work with the topic of children is what triggers and what it's impossible to understand and endure when you don't understand why they are suffering as well as it is possible because i have very small children but i think that it is for anyone for a normal person it is basically what we as adults do not can we protect them, this helplessness of ours, yes, she is very, very painful. what we do, no matter what we do, we can't protect them. this is what hurts very, very much . bureaucratic work that you do me too

i am grateful for your service, yes, for your work , for this call, because it seems to me that, well, you can only contribute with your soul to bring this matter to an end, it is not just a job, thank you, thank you, they do not agree on what they are destroying, protect their own, there are people who do not hide behind their backs, who listen to the call hearts and hugs are the first to go people of great strength people of unbroken spirit you are of good will glory to ukrainian volunteers

they are light they are humanity they are wisdom but courage strength and indomitability these are also ukrainian women who protect and help every day they teach, treat, work and become an example for the whole world. i am a father, i am a younger brother for the minibuses. i am getting married soon

. i am a fan . a miner is a sales manager . in march, a rally was held in the center of riga with a tribune with posters, a gathering of russian-speaking pensioners with posters protested against the demolition of the pushkin monument, the posters

specifically said that pushkin is the basis of culture and the initiator actions the russian union of latvia quite officially called the riga city hall's decision to dismantle the monument barbaric, an interesting fact neither the life nor the work of pushkin have anything to do with latvia and riga, but why was the monument there? the only news and the accent today is not fine, but in ukraine , where pushkin’s fat turgenev is still present in the urban and rural environment.

now i will introduce them to you, this is vakhtang kibuladze , a candidate of philosophical sciences at the center of the kyiv taras shevchenko national institute, and serhiy gromenko, an expert at the ukrainian institute of the future. the degree of the conditional degree of russification of ukrainian society has decreased, first of all, anyone well , i would say that the degree has not only decreased . you could say that it has moved into the plane of negative indicators because every day every day in modern ukraine, russian influence is becoming less and less and maybe someday such a day will come maybe not now maybe in 50 years when russian culture will have to be explained to ukrainians about the same as explaining , say, polish or chinese oh let's not

talk about china this is a separate topic for your opinion on your experience that you have or is it related well, let's say russification or the degree of russification with a person's belonging to a certain generation well, we are used to thinking and believing that these are the people who grew up in they are so weak to the soviet union. well, mostly not all of them, of course. well, our youth is more progressive and so on. what do you think , is there such a phenomenon in our country, such a distribution ? it seems to me that to answer this question, we still need a sociologist in the studio . i have a certain certain research, small, microscopic, that we conducted with my editor. and what does it say, please? it talks about tastes and young people. we took a simple count. one of the streaming services is so musical. then the year or the top 100

for now and here if we managed to count the utopia of the 20th year among 100 songs 62 russian songs of the 21st 73, then at the moment of the 23rd year in this top there are only two russian songs, all the rest are either ukrainian or the vast majority or western songs i do not i don't know if this shows us that our youth has stopped focusing on russia or has stopped listening to russian music in any case. i had this assumption. and this could just be a traumatic response of the society of individual people to the war, i.e. rejection russian as compensation for the injury. that is, we don't want anything to do with you because you bomb our cities. well, for example, this is a normal, er, natural reaction . well, that's a question for psychologists, and for sure, for sure, is it so, er, and then

the question arises, how long does the reaction last? it already becomes a part of our narrative discourse and or is it just such an emotional outburst of reaction to aggression or is it obvious on the one hand and on the one hand, and i agree with my colleague , well, i don’t have it again, we don’t have sociology , we have our own... is the feeling that it is not absolutely er, but they are often limited by our information bubble, so i also realize that there are no people around me who sympathize with russia, and after all, they were not there even before the invasion and before the start of the war, just if they were, they would have disappeared from my environment and automatically so how representative are our views, well, this is a big question, that’s why i say that we need sociology here, and by the way, in ukraine , sociology is not bad, in contrast to the same russia , that is, i, as a new scientist, still cannot rely on the data of our sociological

of polls, but this question has a reverse side, yes, what about non-russianization yes, i would say not russification, because it is about distancing from this russian thing connected with russia, that is very good this is necessarily an element of our emancipation, but on the other hand, we must study russia here, there is a formula such that russians , nothing russian , from now on, nothing russian can have subjectivity in our country, that is, it does not have the right to have a voice anya russian language ani russian culture in quotation marks, not the russian distortion of the orthodox church into russian, the political way of life, etc., but we have to carefully study it in our philosophical circles , we discussed it, in particular, with my other colleague vadim menchullin, the head of the department of philosophy of religious studies in mogilyanka, this is his opinion and serves i share that it has become part of the fact that we are making such a resistance. and that we were ready for this. we know russia and

they do not know us. they think that we are some kind of un-russian part of this imperial of space but there are some russians, but not of the first class, so to speak, because they do not study ukrainian culture, ukrainian literature, or our political trends. well, there are birds, there are some bandera brands, and that’s all bad. and what actually happened there in the 20th century at least let's not take the depth of the ages there, and this is a question for historians , i'm sure, but i don't know, maybe my colleagues will confirm my opinion . i'm sure that even russian historians have a very, very conventional idea of ​​what ukraine really is. and we know very well what russia is i spoke on february 24, i spoke with oleksandr matviychuk at the sorbonne on the anniversary of the invasion, and there were questions from the audience, and i said that if you want to know what russia is, then the best expert from russia is us citizens of ukraine, we know what

it is. what kind of evil is it, how dangerous is it? radical ideologies of the 20th century oleksia read and i read a lecture on how to talk about stalin hitler or who can and must enter the plague barak history - for me it was such a metaphor for nazism and communism, but now i understand that this metaphor can be extended to the whole russia, russia, from the beginning and until now, this is such a boat barak history, but who comes to recruit the history of doctors who, putting their own lives and health at risk, still treat people there and do not let it spread, why the same and we, as experts from russia, have to study this socio-political disease, but

we must and must not give in to it. it is very difficult because you can get poisoned. and these are the muscles of russian peace and they are dangerous, but we have to study it and that is why, for example, that i can by no means be called a supporter of russia, but i, for example, always say that we lack a real institution of russia in ukraine, that is , which at all levels historians, philosophers , economists, er, experts in spelling, sansiv, skal, some of the religious scholars studied this phenomenon, but again, it is necessary to study it and not to give it and not to give it a voice. that is, it should be an object of research, but never from now on, as a virus can be studied in a laboratory, it can be spread under no circumstances, but sergey . please tell me as a historian, mr. vakhtang . there is a certain meaning, and it seems to me. maybe i am wrong, correct me at any moment, and that

this meaning removes the thesis about the role of ukrainian culture as such, or as such a talisman from russia, palakh said in particular that the russians did not know anything about us, but nevertheless a for at least 300 years they, well, conditionally succeeded us, i won’t say conquered, but captured occupied here it is important not to absolutize like this i am asking absolutely yes we know the russians better than the russians know us this is undoubtedly true but to say that all ukrainians understand well what russia is is just not true how to say that among russians, there is no one who would not be able to pull ukrainians by the strings when necessary, the difference is that for 300 years, russian culture has been accustomed to consider itself

superior, and ukrainian scientists, for example, in the russian environment has also always taken second place, that is why we in ukraine are better, well at least it seems to me that russia is better studied institutionally in ukraine today than russia is studied in ukraine. a few years ago, there was a huge scandal in the russian environment in the russian institute of strategic studies when it turned out that instead of studying ukraine, what they were supposed to be doing there , they were engaged in some pseudo-esoteric finery well, in the end, we see the results to date what instead of kyiv in three days russia is rushing towards its defeat. that is to say, it is clear that ukraine knows russia better . do we have a dependence on russian culture in ukraine, unfortunately it still exists, fortunately ? it is gradually disappearing

. does it depend on generations? in every generation there will be those who will be fascinated by russian culture not because it is not because this person is young or older well, it's just that the circumstances have developed and here it is very important to take as an example and compare the role of german culture in post-war europe very the traumatic experience experienced by the whole and almost the whole of europe as a result of the second world war had an impact on german culture and , for example, the german language ceased to be the main top absolute language of scientific progress , at least in the hard sciences. it was not necessary, the development took place thanks to the german language, it was also connected with the fact that a part of scientists, let's say, came to the united

states, the same einstein, for example, definitely certainly the defeat of germany in the physical brain drain of technology, even einstein, then less about wernher von braun brau ot who actually drove the post-war american technology oppenheimer actually he is an american but we see by these surnames we see that in fact i will say such a very brutal thing that the second world war in the atlantic is a war of american germans against continental germans, and the american germans won it, and the german language is completely and i think that it has lost its status forever the number one technical language in the world, on the other hand, after 30-40 years, german culture ceased to be an outcast in europe, for example , we can say that the first poles who survived the extremely harsh occupation until the second world war simply physically refused to perceive anything in german that is written in german what

was reminiscent of german, but in polish schools they did not study anything from german culture, this is fair , this is what we just talked about, about traumatic denial, then it somehow passed and in principle the german language german culture is also returning, and what is not directly related to some odious characters, it is gradually returning to common use in israel. there is a specific feature about wagner there, but in general , german culture is especially romantic in the 19th century, although the nazis drew their ideas directly from it. here we go again. we are here again in europe and in ukraine, no one will blame anyone that someone watches german german paintings or reads early german novels. the novel is absolutely normal with russia. i think it will be absolutely the same. there will be some sphere.

some kind of collapse in the russian language, russian culture is broader and it will never return to its previous height, there will no longer be a so-called language of national communication, it will cease to be there, it will fall out of the top ten top languages ​​in the world. well, and similar things, but in 30-40 years russian culture is at least the foundation that was there in the 19th century, it will return again and it will be like with german, this is something that needs to be understood . it is not good and not bad. the last thing is that we still do not have a separate academic institute in russia, this is an absolute problem, there is nothing to discuss here, the only thing i can say for my personal defense is that the ukrainian institute of the future has been conducting this work for about a year, as far as possible, there are experts from law, from economics, from military affairs and from internal russian politics, and the ukrainian court of the future

regularly issues special reports about russia , about how its internal world is arranged , about the struggle between the towers and the kremlin, about how er, the media empire in russia is also distributed. well, and things like that, that is, it is obvious that a private organization cannot replace the academic institute of the state, and even more so that we cannot influence the decisions of the state , but if the state wants to turn to the idea of ​​a comprehensive study of russia, then at least it will not start from scratch, gentlemen, when we talk about russian culture in the context of ukraine if we understood what we are talking about, because we live here, we can see the renaming now , thank leo tolstoy square.

i'll remember that, er, quickly, ukrainian heroes, ukrainian heroes, very well. yes, it should go in. how is it? yes, fuel, but there is also such a context for russian culture as the world and uh, just your post, mr. serhiy, you recently described the russian concept of humanitarian policy and the fact that, in particular, the concept recognizes that russian culture has been a symbol of russia throughout all historical eras and that historical experience , multicultural heritage, spiritual potential allowed it, that is, russia occupies a special place in the world cultural space, this is already putin talk i will definitely remember this and gentlemen, what to do with russian culture abroad well, we can talk about anything at this table on the maidan on the former leo tolstoy square and now the heroes of ukraine , but the americans are used to going to the nutcracker

at christmas there, for example. that's how they go. they're used to it. i don't know. black caviar and coffee and vodka. sorry for the vodka. that's how they're used to it. now, if you allow, we 'll see the plots. there was a very interesting incident in the spring, and i'd like to show you the royal theater. in belgium, lamone presented the program for the 2022-2023 season, he is in ghana, onegin ilya muromets, and also than something of that time. glory to the heroes of ukraine, the opera did not find better arguments to compare the bloody russian war with the exit of great britain from the eu, as two years ago, when in the midst of brexit, we discovered that we are presenting a british opera season. now we offer

a completely unplanned 2022-2023 season, in which a prominent place is dedicated to russian works. well, in brussels, the actors of the patriot left politics in the following seasons to the operas will attract both ukrainian and russian actors. in this way, the theater fulfills its integral mission of uniting people and building bridges between them , the appeal says. the ukrainian community responded by writing an open letter, now is not the time for russian art for russian culture. is a tool of propaganda and belgium shows that russian culture in those times when ukrainian flags are hanging everywhere, kind of shows that the russian flag is hanging here, it is for us stateman is for us a statement from the opera that russia can have a piece of the green

corridor in the form of culture in the form of the spread of its culture for us for ukrainians when the genocide of the ukrainian nation occurs when the destruction of ukrainian culture occurs this is a spit in our face ukrainian public organization tried to deepen the belt and the management of the belgian opera cultural context belgian newspapers picked up on the appeal and poured in a barrage of criticism towards the theater iconic brussels opera house royal theater la monet announced next season, after choosing many residents of the capital and its growing ukrainian community, ukrainians are outraged by the russian program of the royal theater , in the articles there were mentions of how swan lake and other russian repertoire were rejected by british theaters, and the founder of the largest private music school in brussels, who migrated from of kyiv 25