[000:00:00;00] read the country, well, look at the biography of godslay. well, he has been in power all his life in independent ukraine, a deputy , he has more orders there than anyone else , so to speak. and it seems he is also a jerk, yes , a hero of ukraine, everything is wonderful according to his public rhetoric. never well, you won't understand what he has there. well, only this conversation was published and showed who he is and there are many such people, many, many , simply they are embedded in our political system and until then, i don't know if these people are stopping ukraine in nato, or that's all. ukraine's accession to the eu or some other events must take place. so when it becomes clear to everyone that we have no alternative with russia , we will never be under russia in the nearest historical perspective, then maybe all those who have played this game very

often must understand i again, i know many of these people personally. they are not supporters of the russian world, in principle, yes. so they hate the whole ukrainian world, that the russian world is where there are dragonflies, there they are, roughly speaking. yes, but this was created artificially, because no one was involved the feeling that there is a huge natural course, so to speak, on which you can make money, it is from 20 to 40% of the pro- russian population. of ideas yes, someone from central ukraine and these are responsible for the south and the east of ukraine, then they gather in the verkhovna rada. in power, we are in power and, roughly speaking , they are already solving their issues separately among themselves, what have all of our authorities been doing

all these years. to you for talking this there was oleksiy holobutsky, a political technologist, friends, we work live on the espresso tv channel, as well as on our social networks on facebook and youtube, for those who are currently watching us live on youtube and facebook , please like this video so that it can be promoted in the recommended well and subscribe to our social networks on youtube on facebook on telegram on instagram in a word, we are everywhere where there is content, informational content, we are present on various platforms, in addition , read our informational resources, in particular sites from pressot tv, we work for you 24 hours a day, seven days a week, the most operational, but not the most operational, news from ukraine in the world, as well as the front chronicle, everything is

on our website and further on we are on the air serhii tara, a politician, a member of the kyiv city council, mr. serhiy , good day good day to you health and glad to see you on our air. i congratulate you. let's start with zelenskyi's invitation to sit and drink in ukraine. today, the president of ukraine said that we are ready to see the leader of china here. i want to talk to him. how did i contact him? before a full-scale war, but for this whole year, for more than a year, we had no contact. the ministry of foreign affairs of the people's republic of china has already reacted to zelensky's statement. they said that they support communication with the ukrainian side about a possible meeting. well, first of all , why didn't everyone call zelensky, as the westerners wrote media after the conversation with putin and what he wants to hear or what he wants to say about your

green leader to china. it seems to me that ukraine wants to tell china that we are ready to talk and communicate even regarding chinese initiatives but i think that no one in ukraine has any illusions about whether china really wants to help end the russian-ukrainian war because in fact if china really wanted peace it would have simply stopped buying russian oil and peace would have come very quickly on the second day that after the last source of money supply in the russian federation was cut off, and this is the oil trade that is primarily in demand, then the russian economy would not be able to

support its aggressive russian army therefore, there is a question as to how sincerely china wants to help in solving the russian-ukrainian war . in fact, the position i am taking now is beneficial to china because it bleeds the russian federation and gives china the opportunity to gradually extract from russia all the resources and all the opportunities that are available because russia becomes simply dependent on china in all respects, therefore, for china , in fact, this is the situation as it is in its own way, and he would simply like to be one winner, winner over russia and not share the victory of the west, that is why he is waiting for russia it is enough that it will be possible for russia to take it with its bare hands, but it is necessary to talk with china because the task that we have to set before ourselves is at least to preserve the neutrality of china, neutrality in the sense that china well, at least it does not supply weapons

to the russian federation and if it is possible to achieve this through diplomatic efforts , it will probably be enough, in general, it must be remembered that china is also very dependent, but china depends primarily on western investments, this is the copper of china western investments, and if the west seriously breaks relations with china, then the chinese economy will not be very good either, therefore, if there is a choice before china or to keep relatively good relations with the west, but at the same time to establish relations with russia or, on the contrary, to support russia to break relations with the west, then china will definitely will choose the west because , by and large, even despite the anti-western turkish tour, which is from time to time, the chinese leaders in china are very well aware of the consequences, the economic consequences of breaking relations with the west, that is why this is the situation

still forces the ukrainian side to take this initiative, although we have to understand that such initiatives will not lead to any concrete results, but taking these initiatives is definitely necessary. well , we obviously still need to decide with the ambassador of ukraine in china , because we know that from february 2021 the ambassador of ukraine was absent from china because serhii kamyshev died there from a massive heart attack. well , this issue regarding the representation of ukraine in china has been resolved for a very long time. this is the first. well , and the second. we have heard a lot over the past two years also, how should we compare to china and the statement of david archamiy were that we should compare this experience of the central committee of the communist party of communist china, how to manage the economy, but the current situation is not too much. well, there are now illusions about the fact

that this meeting there are these calls, when he suddenly flies to china, then this is something fundamentally er, somehow it will decide whether we are for china on their scale now and in this situation, when china understands that the more russia fights with ukraine, the more er benefits china can gain from russia so definitely for china ukraine is, first of all, a country that undermines the capabilities of the russian federation and creates the ground for china to take more russian resources. china sets itself the strategic task of absorbing russia gradually, well, at least politically. well , imagine in the far east the border between china and it passes through the russian federation somewhere along the amur river, and on one side of the river on the amur, the population in the russian

federation has the density of a person per square kilometer in the dnieper, and on the other side the chinese and on the other side of the river on the chinese side, the population density there is 57 people per square kilometer, that is , you can imagine how huge the imbalance is, at least in terms of population. inevitable, especially since china has such a strategy in the economy. when they invest somewhere , they don't just invest money, they also invest their own employees who come to the place of this investment project and very rarely return afterwards home, i.e. they remain in that country. where did they invest? where did china test the resource? china is allocating significant funds to that, after the russian economy finally becomes dependent on china , investments and life-saving investments, so to speak, will begin in china. but together with these investments , chinese workers will come and taking into account

the fact that russia simply lacks human resources, the far east will gradually be populated by chinese influence and investment , and it will be very easily and brutally killed and this policy is beneficial for china, they want to do it, but they cannot say it frankly, they need such diplomatic steps as, for example, these peace plans, especially since china has huge ambitions to be an influential power in the world, well, at least number two in the world and they are trying to demonstrate this. at the same time, this is an attempt to demonstrate that it is not a reinforcement, well , with some real tools of trust on the chinese side, and that is why china is trying to create the illusion that there is trust in china in the world, and that is why they are taking such initiatives ukraine can play with this, and i think that it is necessary here, i say once again that it is important to communicate with china and make sure that china is as

neutral as possible in this war. parties and the last thing i want to say about china, do you understand that china's capacity is not as high as we imagine it to be, but when i was in china, i observed such an interesting phenomenon when in the city of beijing, in other chinese cities, there are whole built quarters er, without people, why does this happen because china wants to show that the economy is growing and it invests resources and construction that do not make any economic sense , for example, the chinese economy depends on energy, which is built entirely on , that is, china is very good in many technologies far from being an advanced country, but trying to demonstrate to the world that they are such a country, where all the initiatives come from. therefore

, you just need to understand it, you see, and i believe that the agreement with china at the meeting is normal history, but illusions that this meeting will have some fundamental significance for the resolution of the russian -ukrainian war, well, of course. these are just lenses today. zelenskyi also said that if the armed forces of ukraine do not win the battle for bakhmut , the pressure on ukraine to find unacceptable compromises with the russian aggressor will increase. we know that last week the international criminal court issued a warrant for putin's arrest and we know that putin is now banned or at least under threat of arrest in 122 countries of the world or may be in against this background, is there any compromise or we peaceful compromise or some peaceful initiatives uh, can the west push ukraine, considering

the current status of putin, and uh, can the loss of the battle of bakhmut there be a reason to put pressure on ukraine and say that it is necessary it is unacceptable to make compromises with the russian aggressor , well , the americans openly say that this has no purchasing power for their attitude to the russian-ukrainian war . no one will ever openly call on ukraine to make any compromises. well, it is necessary to understand the significance of the fact that the court issued a decision on the arrest of putin, which means that no western leader will even be able to communicate openly with putin. the person on whom the development was declared, and ukraine, who

ratified the rome statute, well, it is ironic that the united states ratified the human statute, but still also supports this decision, you can after that what he did putin, no one in the west will call ukraine to a peace acceptable to them, but i do not rule out that there will be such attempts . perhaps on some front of those diplomacy, because , well, in the west, not everyone wants the war to take place for a very long time, and it was brought to the technical economy that's why it's such a natural process when there are always people who talk about compromises and more than that . well, to a large extent, this situation that has developed in russia is the result of western policies that gave putin the opportunity

to believe that he can do anything. look at this all the powerful oil and gas copper that has been created in russia for decades, it was largely created thanks to the absolutely unimaginable policy of germany, for example, which encouraged the dependence of the european economy . in germany and in the west, they should have understood what it would lead to, but they did so, and all these people who called for conditional compromises and an understanding of russia, they did not disappear anywhere. remained, although, of course, now they will never, for example, advocate for a conditional peace with russia on russian terms . well, you have to understand that now russia is not perceived as a partner and will not be perceived as a partner for many, many years to come, but the legacy of this sleaze of schloz policy has remained and i think that we should understand that from time to time there are initiatives to negotiate with russia on russian terms, they

will be done quietly, but there will be another event today, this is a historical point, a historic day, a day the release of the kyiv-pechersk lavra from the branch of the rpc, the journalists of radio svoboda spoke with archimandrite nestor, a priest of the ukrainian orthodox church, about the release of the lavra, they are not going to leave today, because they say that they do not have a court decision regarding the eviction, we will hear from archimandrite nestor, and will there be will you be traveling from the territory that you will not be at the pechersk lavra today. and this is how you serve here. and what is your name? can you contact me

, please? national court decisions i turned to you about the fact that, mr. serhiy, how do you assess the prospects of closing down the activities of the rpc branch in ukraine, ukrainian laws, so it is not at all surprising to me that they are not going to recognize them now and for the rpc, well, this is a completely understandable step if they resist trying to create such an image of great martyrs, although it is very strange because in fact the russian church has always supported aggressive actions against ukraine and the leaders of this church, well, so to speak, sanctified, if that word is here at all the actions of the russian army in ukraine are acceptable, i would very much like the expulsion of the russian orthodox church from the lavra not to end

only with the lavra. now there are a lot of such small cave lamps in ukraine, and representatives of the russian orthodox church are sitting everywhere , unfortunately, this mass exodus of the russian orthodox church from ukraine is far from complete, therefore this is a very correct step that the authorities are now taking to promote the church, but i would very much like this step to be extended to other regions because there the situation is far from that simple and, first of all, it is not simple. why, because there is no such strong will to do it. and i wish that the expulsion of the russian orthodox church from the lavra was not completed . i praise it. it is very important now. we must also understand to inform society that the russian orthodox church is only called a church, but in fact it is part of putin's state machine and the leaders of this institution are present at all the solemn events that putin gives, including those events where

putin brags about what he is conquering there ukraine and there are representatives of the russian federation of the orthodox church who applaud this and who think that it is very good , so we must understand that this is not even about the church, this is about a tourist structure that supports the actions of the russian army. and of course this must be put to an end and not only in the kyiv-pechersk lavra. by the way, we have already shown the synchronicity of pavel lebid pasha mercedes, what he is saying. he said that he is not going to leave the kyiv-pechersk lavra until easter. hlavkom posted a video where the vicar of the holy dormition kyiv-pechersk lavra of the ukrainian orthodox church visited the service center at the kharkivska metro station

to issue a foreign passport, let's see . well, er, that's how everything is being prepared, at least for pasha mercedes, obviously, for going abroad p serhiy who and the border how do you think the activities of the rpc branch should be regulated or should the rpc branch be banned in ukraine, in which way should this be done , given the fact that the state and the church in ukraine are separated? it seems to me that this is the case again it is about a structure that supports putin's terrorist actions. and this is the competence of the relevant bodies of the competent structures that

should deal with security. it is not a question of culture . i would very much like the relevant structures to pay attention to how these representatives of the russian orthodox church will leave, what they will take with them. i am very worried about the historical monuments that are located on this territory i am very worried about the fact that you did not loot the museum, which is located on the territory, well, in fact, it is the territory of the state, and any exhibits there that are now accessible to the representatives of this so-called church can be taken out or stolen, or at least built, but that is still necessary pay attention i think here at least the ministry of culture needs assistance, at least in the sense that they help to preserve everything that is now located on the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, therefore there is a

lot of work and i want to emphasize that the recognition of this churches, this is not a question of culture in general, this is a question of security, if everything in ukraine remains as it has been until now, what does this mean for our country in the future? m now this process has spread to the regions, it is important for ukraine to unconditionally support its technology, but without interfering with the rights of this church, for this , conditions must be created for all religious communities that simply recognize the state of ukraine and support its independence, and how are they there will work among themselves, how they will carry out their activities is their business here, ukraine should not be studied as a state, as a state that should only create conditions for the development of religious activity in ukraine.

of independence because, well, i wouldn't say that these steps, which at one time led to the fact that the kyiv-pechersk lavra ended up as a kind of management of the rpc, were correct. this was certainly a huge mistake on your part, and we now see well, this situation was absolutely normal, and it lasted for a very long time, it was a very long time, there was no understanding that it would be necessary to do this for many years, and it is very important that, with all this , we began to create conditions for the development of the ukrainian orthodox church after the 14th year, eh, i think that it was a huge step that the ukrainian ukrainian orthodox church received the tomos and it can now develop as a legitimate recognized church. this was a very important step, but i will repeat myself again, but it is important, it is a pity that at such a price

after all that we see in ukraine at the front, we finally understood how important it is to have a reliable structure in the rear, a reliable church that will never support the aggressor, at the end of our conversation, serhiy, why do you support russia's war against ukraine ? despite the fact that tens of thousands of people died from russian weapons and from the russian occupiers, why is the number of parishioners in this church, which is one of the largest in terms of parishes in ukraine , why is it so large, why is it so this number of people is critical, people understand what is happening, people don't want to see people and go to church, they even look at where they go, when in ukraine, finally, a law was passed obliging the russian orthodox church to be called what they are

well, in the midst of this church they began to oppose it why because they perfectly understand that if they are called the ukrainian orthodox church well, of course , they never mentioned the moscow patriarchate in armor then many people go to churches and just go without thinking about who is in charge of this church. well, unfortunately, a large part of the citizens who go there were just like that. well, it led to the fact that, gradually , all citizens were involved in the activities of this church, although it was completely dependent on the russian federation. this is one of the reasons why it still had so many parishioners, people just didn't think about it, and the second is the story - it's that, well, let's be frank about the large-scale aggression in ukraine, it means that the part of ukrainians is not the most significant part of ukraine in general somehow paid little attention to this. well, here, according to sociology, we even had people who voted for psg. and

this is, excuse me, at one time, there were millions of people. well, these millions of people went to the russian orthodox church, realizing what kind of russian orthodox church it is, you know that. philosophical question, historical well, unfortunately, this is such a colonial legacy of ukraine , we should put an end to our conversation, mr. serhiy, thank you very much for the inclusion. espresso is also on youtube on facebook for those who are currently watching us live on these resources put please like this video subscribe to our social networks you can join our sponsor club sponsor club youtube channel espresso by this link to the qr codes you can go there there is detailed information on how to do it. i am saying goodbye to you for today. we will meet tomorrow at 1:00 p.m. i will have roman svitan and andriy illenko. we will talk

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