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the representative of the ukrainian delegation live on svoboda life, the vicars of the holy dormition kyiv-pechersk lavra, metropolitan pavlo said that the ukrainian orthodox church and that the moscow patriarchate has no intention of evicting the lavra until the trial is over, today, march 29, according to the order of the ministry of culture, is the last day on which the uoc mp can hold services in the kyiv-pechersk lavra. all last week , we and our colleagues from other media filmed the collection and removal of uoc property, mainly this there was furniture or other packed things at the same time today the uoc mp announced that they will appeal their eviction metropolitan pavlo , the vicar of the lavra, said that the representatives of the church filed a lawsuit before the end of the proceedings

the affairs will remain in the lavra in the church of the exaltation of the cross on the lower territory of the kyiv-pechers lavra, now the last service of the uoc mp was held, the service was led by metropolitan pavlo, whom i just mentioned, after the service, pavlo was taken to his residence, where he got into the famous mercedes and left the monastery; all this was seen by a radio correspondent svoboda roksolana is a bull at the moment. she works on the territory of the lavra and joins our broadcast roksolana my greetings, what is the situation on the territory of the lavra now and do you see any signs that the churchmen of the uoc mp are not have the intention or, on the contrary, intend to leave the territory of the lavra. hello, i will start with the last one. it is not visible that anyone left the territory of the lavra today, moreover, if in the previous week we saw that some property, furniture , whatever and during the time we spent here, we did not see a single car that would take away property, no truck that would load property into it, as it was done in the past

weeks before today, so the situation here is quite calm, but now it was happening also the service that was supposed to be conducted by onufry and we know that the believers of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate also gathered there, so the situation is quite calm , there are quite a few people in the territory, we can see it, i think that's why, in principle, everything is quite calm. well, this morning really as you said, it happened during the service, then there were more people, but in fact there was quite such a tense atmosphere, some people even clashed with each other , mostly they treated the press aggressively believers of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate and... for some reason, most of them from those who talked to someone

, they think that... they want to close the kiev pechersk lavra. opinion regarding the fact that today is actually the last day when the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate can legally live and be on the territory of the pechersk lavra, i have heard many rumors about the lavra having some kind of connection with russia to the russian orthodox that the fsb officers live here and that they store weapons here - this is all untrue , you are the heritage of kyivan rus, ilya muromets from the city of moroma , the ungodly, who came to power there as non-believers , the people who are ruled by foreigners, we will not give up our shrine, will rest here. what will you do? we will defend how to pray while we are praying, i would like

to pray for us, and regarding the fact that the representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate do not really plan to leave the kyiv-pechersk lavra, i apologize for not are planning to leave for the kiev-pechersk lavra. we talked with many priests today, including the abbot pavel himself, and i suggest you listen to what they say about the fact that they should leave, but they do not plan to do this from the kyiv-pechersk lavra from the territory of ukraine, i pray will you go to the start of the pechersk lavra today

? authorities, i didn't need any court decision, so that you are related to the question, everything is happening and we have no legal basis to leave the monastery now, even more so to leave these buildings without care for someone who will absolutely have no obligations to take care of these premises , not a single document that would obliged us to leave this monastery today, it does not exist that many things have already been taken away, why did they take things away at all, a lot remained the most remained more remained because

everyone has the right to take out their own, right? you move to another apartment, if you are evicted, you are evicted en masse, no one is taking anything, go to the temples and see, you are using these lies to deceive people , everything is exactly what you are, as we can see , the abbot pavlo and the elements deny that they will leave the kiev-pechersk lavra denies the main thing is that various property, furniture and personal belongings have been taken out of here recently, and we saw it because we worked here in recent weeks and visited here quite often and filmed what exactly is being taken out of the territory of the kyiv-pechersk lavra where who and why, i suggest you look more about it in the material, when we approached the distant caves, we saw that icons were being removed there. and

why do you ask? i would tell you. you screw up the information, i'll be like this, i'll go out there from the distant caves, you saw that the icons are being taken away , where are you interested in a dirty evening or something ? any of us will not like them therefore i want to talk to you, too . i want to talk to you, and you’re already driving like this today. are you just

collecting things while my line is mine? i told you, i don’t want to talk to you from lavra. on that basis, when you didn't say that you had to leave already, from that day we started to hear that we are worried, they often write to us in the comments whether they don't export various icons and so on, these are our icons, we bought them here, we bought them here, i don't know, they wrote for us we accordingly, we will take away if there are our things, we do not forget anything that belongs to others here, the buildings will remain here, we are, in fact, we are, even if we take something, it is purely our things, you say that the buildings and relics will remain here, in fact, we can, no one has ever taken away the most , well what is possible, he will take away

his work, please help us legally, our work we need to finish even the law, and what kind of equipment is it, well, god's tool, what is it created for, what is this tool , what kind of equipment is it, so that god glorified, this is a tool for this. and what exactly does it do? what will you do in the future? is it some kind of book or something else to define? i am a friend who works more. you just volunteered to help

download this equipment. you won't say this thing. can i ask you? please, are you taking away the furniture? that's right, i don't know whose furniture. and you live here. no. where are you going ? who lives here? guests with their own keys to enter aviaries, for example, peacocks lived, a minister of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate was also taken out of the kyiv-pechers lavra. well, because it is 1,000 years old, this lavra is not the government, so

it will still stand, it will just be here , the ukrainian church will be here, i told you my opinion and this the majority of people say that they still have the opinion that it was ukrainian . how was the ukrainian orthodox church left? people do it specifically for the purpose of doing it, and i don’t know who does it, probably a psut because they don’t build their own new frames, they want to seize our frames. let them build their own , please. freedom from speech is guaranteed in the constitution. and now we are simply being oppressed by pamphlets that were found are the same in all churches. these are just provocations and throw it all into the religious questions of the state of odessa. the law of the green state also plays a big role in the war. it's about you, i'm about the church. if you were, if it would be permissible , it would be received by the security authorities, what would some organization do? how did the nkvd do, such as the control there, what kind of activity there

, something like specialties, but these documents are not there and are specialized. the most important thing is that there is no why shadow наплетение унизит сейчас сейчас сейчас ето етим делом сейчай ужают сейчают сейчас через ето етим делом сейчас ужайют сейчау через, now we have christ and he is being punished for the fact that since the 90s, as they say . you to understand the consequences, that is, what is happening now, what is happening now, these are the consequences and the war and what is happening with the laurel right now, these are all consequences, it is necessary to attack ukraine more, and not god, there are reasons, roksolana bychai, the author of this material, is with us on the link dear roksolana, you have been following what is happening in the lavra all week, from what you said and showed, i conclude that the process of removing the property took place, but today they said that they are not going to come from the lavra and what is

the further procedure according to the conditions termination of lease contracts that tomorrow according to these contracts should take place in the lavra . you are so right. tomorrow you do not have to go through a commission from the ministry of culture and they have to transfer the property of the news . already the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate as an organization, the people who leased this territory, they have to transfer this property and territory, but as the priests and the abbot told us today , they do not plan to do this tomorrow.

in the morning we will monitor how these events will develop . of the kyiv-pechersk lavra, archimandre and avraamiy latisha to perform the duties of the vicar of the lavra as part of the orthodox church of ukraine this is reported by the press service of the orthodox church of ukraine, despite the fact that the lavra itself has at least not yet been handed over to the ptu and metropolitan pavlo also considers himself the vicar of the lavra in the same frame, who , by the way, was previously a representative of the uoc mp and transferred to the ptu, in his video address today he appealed to the brothers of the uoc mp to remain in the lavra as part of already of the local orthodox church of ukraine , listen, i urge you to stay in the lavra as part of the local orthodox church of ukraine , the forum of his beatitude metropolitan epiphany is known, ready to communicate with you and i want to work together with you for renewal

our abode as a real monastery and a place of spiritual renewal for monks and all the faithful. are the current events in the lavra and around the lavra important in a historical perspective? can it be stated that the era of pro-russian influence on the ukrainian church is coming to an end? ihor kozlovsky, religious scholar, candidate of historical sciences good evening good evening let's start with the last one, this happened literally an hour ago. when it became known that epiphanius appointed a priest to the church , who came, i understand, to the church execute the duties of the governor of the lavra are despite the fact that, as i said, metropolitan pavlo also considers himself the governor of the lavra - the governor of the lavra. and on what grounds can epiphanius appoint the governor of the lavra, because i understand that the churches in the lavra have not yet been handed over for use by the ptu, how do you understand it? where it was very simply, it is not the premises of the kiev-pechersk lavra of the holy assumption lavra - it is a legal entity, the same legal entity exists and they

registered it in the pts, it exists and it is clear that to determine this or that governor he has the right because it is his jurisdiction and not here a contradiction because these are different legal structures and the fact that we see the transition of this monk is not just a testimony, this is a different monk who performed certain duties in the kiev-pechersk lavra of the dormition, and this such a good sign. this is a beginning, albeit a small one. yes, but still, the person found strength in himself. no, she expressed her position and appealed to the brothers of the monastery, which is now under the jurisdiction of the uoc. and how do you think the brothers will be

listened to and that's how transitions you are from the ukrainian orthodox church of the russian orthodox church of ukraine, because first of all, here is today this monk urged them to move, and secondly, earlier, despite the fact that there was an order from the ministry of culture to the uoc mp to vacate the territory of the lavra, later the minister of culture , oleksandr tkachenko, said that it does not concern the monks, if they want, they can stay on the territory of the lavra. what do you think, what will happen next to develop events regarding the transition well, the fact that there are pro-ukrainian actions among the monks who are in the ukrainian orthodox church is that they can come, yes, such a possibility exists there, it is clear that those who stand on the position of there is a part of the russian world, as always, probably any such community, which is different and different, it is valid monks, they are used to living

there for years, and they will look at the events , how they will develop, if the pro-ukrainian position actually wins, they can also move. by the way, if they still come to keep them, how do they consider such a deaf defense? well, you activate such an instinct when they start speaking with a common voice , actually not expressing their opinion , relaying the opinion that is imposed on them the leadership, well, in this case, the episcopate and vicar of the lavra, e.e., metropolitan pavlo lebid. and if we talk about other than your impression, how has the top leadership of the uoc mp changed over the course of this year

, e.e., including today ? with the pro-russian e-e influence on the ukrainian church , how has the leadership of the uoc mp changed during this time well, first of all, today is not the culmination of this today we are just a certain period, a certain stage has ended , a new stage is beginning well, it will develop and what applies in general we must understand that the up is not a monolith, it is really a huge organization where there are also pro-ukrainian forces, there is opposition to the episcopate, and it is the priests, it is a talent that communicates directly with the parishioners, and they probably understand the situation better, they are more female and they have already entered into a dialogue not with the church. this is a small group , but it exists, and they asked questions to their own

, addressing their leadership regarding the current state of the church and the future , but the episcopate, unfortunately, is such a structure that the most inert in this church and, by the way, it depends on them in many ways how the turnaround of this church will be, that really they will not just declare that they are a ukrainian church , they will take such a constructive position, but unfortunately we see that the step they took then last may year and declared that there they separated from the moscow patriarchate , but they left the same canonical connection and this canonical connection really binds them to the moscow church, not a moment later

everyone expected that they would take the next step they will say that they are the autocephalous church, that they will send letters of peace to non-leaders of other non-canonical orthodox churches, but kiss this did not happen, and this showed that they took such a position of waiting. and it was this position of waiting that led to these events that we are now witnessing. the problem is that among the bishops there is no such, i would say, confident position regarding the further existence of the church. they are in such a gray buffer zone, as if they broke but did not

a hybrid form in order to exist in the space of canonical churches, they must take the following steps, but this does not happen, and this inert er position has led to the fact that now they have started playing a game called the church disciple below, as if they are being persecuted there for their faith, but in fact it is a trick why because there is no persecution for faith no one forbids them to believe in christ no one forbids them to be orthodox christians there it is their absolute right according to the constitution we have freedom of conscience there are no problems here, but uh, then what is happening? what is happening is that this church does not pass into a certain such a different state for a long time, and they considered themselves a rusty state and allowed themselves certain violations of the current

legislation, now they are being introduced into the legal field, and this is exactly legal field and it is a surprise for them. yes, and this break in relations between the state in the form of a reserve and the lavra itself. it was unexpected for them and when the commission discovered that there were reconstructions and new buildings and even there are subleases well, imagine they do not have the free use of these premises for themselves, but they transfer or rent them to some third parties , and all this in one way or another is a violation of the agreement between the reserves and the legal entity in the lavra monastery, and this means that the

state clearly will not break these relations, and this led to the fact that they began to manipulate , saying that this is a kind of persecution for the faith, they say and so say their believers, the believers of this church. we heard this today, so i will ask you this as a historian. to state that what we are currently observing is to some extent the end of the era of russian influence on the ukrainian church, or is it too early to draw such conclusions to the end, because the problem is not only because you and i see it? it wouldn't be a problem if you didn't record it again, and you have journalists fixed the problem in the head in the consciousness of the people and this is the consciousness of the people as long as it will be occupied as long as we will be with you and have certain problems, this is the problem of deoccupation of their consciousness, liberation from

the russian world, internal and so that they are valid learned learned to see things as real not only to listen to their leaders and relay their thoughts there were a lot of people in the lavra and these people were outraged maybe they will never come to the lavra again if their priests are not there but they will continue to go to this church in other cities and villages, if there will be rumors about the kremlin's narratives , it is unlikely that anything will change in the worldview of these people, do you see any risks here, again from a historical perspective , or is the state planting some kind of bomb here delayed action this is how evicting the uoc-mp from the lavra or how it is possible in the future or now should happen so that this bomb does not explode in a few dozen years or

in a few years well, this bomb exists, we did not change anything by the fact that they leave the lavra as they remained occupied by the russian world and will remain so for a certain time , this is a generation, first of all, secondly , our law enforcement structures must work here , from the point of view of the nation's security , any ideology, what is the person of the nazis , the ideology of the ideology of the russian world, this revanchist ideology, where the main thing is not rather the content of the ideas, but rather the fact that these ideas deny reality, they deny the reality of ukraine, they deny the reality of our identity, and we hear sounds precisely from these believers, for them, it still continues to be the main idea about non-fraternal peoples about all these

narratives that are connected with the russian peace of holy russia, all of this already exists in one way or another. we must work so that they are not fed by the priests and leaders of this church. we must really work with this to introduce them into the legal field. on the one hand, that is, the state should influence them with legislation , and uh, hmm, you and i, civil society, the media , should be engaged in education, uh , there should be a really uh, such a culture of communication with a dialogic culture of communication and return them to real christianity, which is based on on the foundation of love peaceful dialogue and mutual understanding unity for the sake of our common good what is our