[000:00:00;00] one way or another, it already exists . it is necessary to work so that they are not fed by the priests, the leaders of this church . with this, we really need to work to introduce them into the legal field, on the one hand, that is, the state must influence them through legislation, and hmm, you and i, the civil society, the media, should be engaged in education, eh , such a culture of communication with a dialogue culture of communication should be really developed and return them to real christianity, which is based on the foundation of love, peaceful dialogue and

mutual understanding of unity for the sake of our common good, what i am, our blessed ukraine, this is a comment on such a note, we conclude ihor kozlovsky, a religious scholar, candidates of historical sciences, we talked about what is happening in lavra, yachenya may have a tribunal for putin and his accomplices in the future, thank you very much, how realistic is the prosecution of russian president vladimir putin as long as he is actually the president, what role in this story can or will be played by the usa, a key partner of ukraine , we will talk about this in the second part of svoboda life the us state department supported the creation of a special tribunal to investigate the crime of aggression by russia against ukraine , this was stated by the ambassador for global criminal justice of the us state department, ben van sack stuck. and against the usa came to the conclusion that the most

effective way to ensure responsibility for crimes of aggression involves the creation of the so-called of an internationalized court within the judicial system of ukraine, further direct speech, such a hybrid court will also demonstrate ukraine's leadership in ensuring responsibility for the crime of aggression fully within the framework of the national legal system. the united states is ready to cooperate with ukraine and other countries of the world to provide resources to exchange information with such tribunals in order to achieve comprehensive accountability for international crimes committed in ukraine , the words of the representative of the state department became one of the most decisive statements that testify to the readiness of the united states to facilitate the prosecution of russia for its crimes, but on the other hand, the idea of ​​creating a hybrid tribunal emphasizes the difficulty of holding world leaders accountable for their actions as long as they remain in power, writes the new york times

, in other words, the tribunal proposed to be created in washington will investigate crimes of aggression kremlin against ukraine, but then he can receive immunity at least as long as he remains the president, and here it is worth reminding that the office of the ukrainian president publicly declared the inadmissibility of the idea of the creation of a so-called hybrid tribunal, in particular, precisely because this type of justice does not guarantee the removal of immunity from vladimir putin and other top russian officials , why then why is the united states promoting this idea, this is what we will talk about now , the official representative of the us state department joins the air andrea cullen andre hello, the entire ukrainian president made it clear even in my opinion at the munich security conference that kiev does not arrange a hybrid tribunal because that he excludes the arrest of vladimir putin as long as he is the president, then explain to us and our audience why the usa is so actively promoting this very idea

of ​​a hybrid tribunal. well, this hybrid tribunal is actually supported by the usa because it is precisely er, it will be international, that is, internet-zionized, er, but on the basis of the legal system of ukraine, and this trebuna will not be located in ukraine, but in another country, er, in europe, and this is how we can er guarantee or ensure it impunity and legality a-a mm and uh-uh, this is what we are all for, and only for the sake of all those who uh commit and have committed a-uh crime against ukraine and against uh-uh ukrainians a-uh uh-

eh saw their day eh in court and that they were eh punished and this is what we know because evil will be punished and the guilty eh must bear responsibility a-ah and that's exactly and that's why the usa supports exactly that form a- and a-a hybrid a-a vessel a-a because it is precisely eh-e can eh-e provide this can provide what a-a all the guilty will bear the responsibility of the answer, but in kiev there are doubts that if you go down this path of the hybrid tribunal , there is me that putin will bear the responsibility . if such an opportunity arises well, if we look at different bodies, we just saw that the international criminal court

issued a request for the arrest of putin for what he did and is doing against ukraine and all the strange ones that uh-uh recognize uh-uh signatories of the rome statute must comply with this . yes , there are different forms. может ответить на-а demand to be е-е the most legative itself такой е-е е-е transparent е-е has international support а-а and е-е and е-е are doing everything possible to е-е all е-е er , to make the guilty er bear responsibility

well, after all, i did not fully understand what the hybrid tribunal provides for putin maybe there is no final decision yet, but you remembered the decision of the international criminal court on march 17, the international criminal court issued an arrest warrant for putin, and also in russia’s children’s rights committee, and the secretary of state of the united states did not blink, he said that he believed that everything the strange signatories of the rome statute must execute the decree of putin and hand it over to the international criminal court . hypothetically came to the usa, if putin came to the usa, he would be arrested, because we know that the us government wants to sign the rome statute, but withdrew its signature, that in this case well, first of all, this is a very hypothetical question, and it is very, very unlikely that

putin goes to the usa a-a so that er-er but here er-er we er-er all of us are looking at all who er-er completed the crime against ukraine we know that putin a-er er-er this is the war that is being carried out and putin's attack and a-a he he can perfectly today eh says that he he he can put an end to this war today and withdraw the army from ukraine, we know that everyone who commits has committed and will commit a crime must be punished must sit in court so that we can see the evidence against them and so that the judges can make a decision on the basis of evidence a-a mm so we work together with our international

partners, this is what is needed so that the hybrid court has the support of the international community a-a all of our international partners and here, er, the usa will work er in order for me this was to create such a court such a hybrid court that did its work and can guarantee that evil will be punished when you talk about evil, who are you you mean everyone who commits a crime against ukraine against ukrainians. joe biden has already called putin a war criminal more than once, and even one of the potential candidates for the post of president of the republic of ukraine in the air force recently admitted that putin is a war criminal if there is one consensus in two parties

why then has the usa not yet recognized russia as a country and a sponsor of terrorism or a terrorist country? e-e a-a e-e theo the measures we take against e-e russia against putin against him e-e circle a-e they are e-e stronger than e-e those that would be if a-a a-a russia was designated as a sponsor of terrorism , so it would also complicate humanitarian aid and other spheres. what we are doing is that we want everyone who commits crimes against ukraine to be punished

. we are collecting evidence about what will happen . it is a tribunal to collect information and to work together to put an end to this war so that all the guilty parties are punished for what they are doing in this terrible war. andrea, the last time you were on our air was a day ago, a few hours before large-scale invasion on february 23 22 years ago, i remember that then you said that the partners and the usa want russia to return to the negotiating table. there was still such a chance. you said that diplomacy is the best way to resolve the conflict. how much of what you said more than a year ago applies to today's situation?

diplomacy from your point of view, well, there is always a place for recitation ah, i, as a diplomat, believe that we need diplomacy, but ah, hmm, diplomacy has its own time, ah, hmm, eh, i would like to, ah , putin sat at the diplomatic table and showed that he really wants to speak in the language of diplomacy, but what we see is that he is continuing his aggression against ukraine and he is not ready, he is simply here we are now on the point that he is giving ukraine everything possible in order to ukraine had good positions on the battlefield so that ukraine could defend itself and its territory, and then when the time comes, it will sit on the straw of diplomacy, then ukraine will have the strongest position. and

what do you think? we know that putin has the order for arrest in general can realistically imagine that he is sitting at the negotiating table. they are the judge of the defendants . he still has this chance to return to the negotiating table, or is that time already gone for him ? withdraw the war and the army from ukraine and eh and lick the end of the war it’s completely in his hands he can do it today a-and if he were ivangatel but we can see that he doesn’t want it eh and he continues eh- it will intensify aggression against ukraine and so that the international community will to work together to a-a date ukraine what is needed to protect itself well and besides , oh oh oh russia also wanted to say so allies during this time literally the other day the wall street journal wrote that in exchange

for relatively cheap effective the drones that russia uses for strikes on ukraine, eh, russia inflicts a wound on the cyber weapons that, in this case, the united states intentionally does , what instruments of influence are there on iran, and is washington interested in somehow stopping this cooperation because, well so far, nothing concrete is happening in this direction , or maybe i'm wrong, no, we see that iran continues its partnership with russia and continues to send to russia what it needs to continue its aggression against russia ukraine, for example, in november, we saw that iran had sent to russia a projectile and a tank projectile and other equipment for use in ukraine, and russia plans to cooperate further, this is what iran is doing to stabilize the world - this is and that's a lot

it is dangerous not only for ukraine but for the whole world . so the united states will er continue to use all the tools that we have . it is ready to use all that we have so that this partnership is a terrible partnership between russia and iran . it has not been expanded. sanctions do not work . you have been under sanctions for 30 years . nevertheless, it produces drones. they are exchanged. names with russia there in exchange for another weapon and in my opinion, american sanctions did not play a key role in stopping the tyrant and preventing him from cooperating with russia. well, it’s not only sanctions, but also export control,

and other measures we want to do. iran did not have the opportunity to a-a mmm er-e prepares to make these er-e weapons that they er-e will send here , for example, er sanctions on er-er ships that poison er-er equipment to russia and er- and other sanctions and other measures so that the money that iran has abroad for ice cream and that they simply cannot continue i know that many people say that it is suspected that the sanctions work, but they really work and we sleep when we see that someone wants to bypass the sanctions. but find out how the iranians and other a-a mm other people who other companies other countries

er-er want to bypass a-a sanctions er publicly from american officials top officials including the president of the united states we very often hear the statement that the western allies will support ukraine as much as it takes how do you understand this phrase to support as much as it takes it as much as it takes it as long as it takes it can be a-and another hour until the end of the war and then and then so that ukraine could recover after this terrible war so, i know what's there

. rendering help for ukraine is not for today, for tomorrow, or before the elections, until the end of the war , and then after the war, to restore what russia violated. ukraine wants to quickly end the war because the longer it goes on, the more people die but at the same time, in order to quickly liberate all its territories, ukraine needs weapons, which it does not receive. that washington is compared to other countries in the west, we remember the story with tanks, eh, germany did not give an agreement for the supply of tanks until washington announced that it would also supply tanks, and in this regard , do you agree with the statement that the united states could help eh

- more and faster, but washington does not do this based on any of its own interests. it is in the ministry of defense, but we also order it er new er weapons that will be in a few months so that we will give what we have now what we can give now so that the ukrainian military would be ready er on the battlefield today and that what is needed tomorrow the day after tomorrow eh summer eh so that ukraine could eh occupy a good place to protect itself a and carry out contour coupling when the time comes and a and then after the war so that ukraine can eh protect its

territory a - and then we're there, that's what a-and we can , we're going to rule together with our uh-uh partners we believe that in this way we can help ukraine to win because it is exactly what we want, we do everything so that ukrainians can live peacefully , study and go to the store, work, and not to think about this terrible war in ukraine, you can also hear this thought , including from a political scientist and even from diplomats , that the usa does not help, the usa does not give ukraine the necessary missiles or anti-aircraft systems there defenses in sufficient quantity sufficiently quickly, including

because washington is very afraid of the rapid disintegration of russia, the united states of america are afraid of the rapid disintegration of russia, that’s why we are sisters, it’s very important today, it’s to help ukraine defend itself, and we’re doing it. we see that it’s all because of the solution putin, this is the beginning of the war, and we are all that we are doing to provide assistance to all the meetings that we organize, and this is the training for the ukrainians we will conduct military operations in america and europe, that's all we're doing so that ukraine can to protect ourselves and that's all we think about when we formulate a new package

and aid and so on so that what will happen then - to think about it and uh, that's right, eh, just right citizens of eh, every country must eh decide how they want to live, and we know that ukrainians want to live in a free country and the united states is ready and help them as much as it takes, andrea, who found the time and joined our broadcast. andrea callan is officially a representative of the state department in the united states , we talked about the prospect of cooperation between the united states and ukraine for the coming years . at this time, it is ongoing

in washington, within the framework of the summit , the ukrainian delegation has also started work, the delegation, in particular, has already made a statement there stating that peace at any price is an illusion of concession from ukraine will encourage russia to use force even more, these are literally the words of the ukrainian minister of foreign affairs, listen, no other nation wants peace like ukraine, but peace at any price is an illusion, for peace to last, it must be fair, the end of russian aggression and the restoration of the territorial integrity of ukraine are mandatory conditions of peace, the ukrainian people will accept peace only on the condition that it guarantees the complete cessation of russian, the complete withdrawal of russian troops from the territory of ukraine and the restoration of the territorial integrity of our

states within internationally recognized borders for democracy was initiated by us president joe biden, it is aimed, so to speak, at renewing democracy inside the country and confronting autocracy abroad , ukrainian mps are present at the summit, one of them is ivanna klympush-tensa, people's deputy of ukraine, european solidarity joins our broadcast by ivan my greetings good afternoon i understand that you are currently in washington directly at the summit are you connected to it online no i am directly in washington and right here is taking place along various tracks, and one of them is the so-called legislative path , and here representatives of a large number of democratic countries have gathered from parliaments, parliamentarians, and there is also an additional conversation between them. to share some experience of how we cope with them, but obviously for us this is another opportunity to remind the world why we

need the help of representatives of both the global south and, let's say, the west of the world and to the country of zayskyi and other other regions, therefore, it is therefore an opportunity for us to communicate with our colleagues from the united states of america, but also with a large number of representatives of the countries of other regions, how big or ideas to end the war and how often at this summit. perhaps at similar events , calls for peace at any price are heard. thank god, we did not hear calls for peace at any price. on the contrary, we see great interest and efforts to better

understand the situation in ukraine. for what ukrainians are wondering how these or other countries can join the aid. those who, for example, do not have the opportunity to help there militarily, but can vote accordingly in international platforms such as the general assembly of the united nations, and this is certainly inspiring to a certain extent. but at the same time , we understand that there is representatives also of those countries that modestly lower their eyes and do not take a clear position and in relation to this black-white war, as for me, the war and good and evil for the policy of their governments, the policy of these official of the state and what do they say on the sidelines when the cameras are turned off, that they really, really support ukrainians in ukraine and really hope for our victory, i didn't hear other comments here or other, well, other opinions

then, then, what are these delegations at such events, what is the point then to convince the world that we need to go to complete victory to the complete restoration of our independence and the territorial integrity of ukraine that we must have a common understanding of what ukrainian victory means the defeat of the russian federation so that there is no need to fear the defeat of the russian federation. that we also need to find a common solution in which way russia will be brought to justice. what is the next step in putting pressure on russia? exclusively in the ukrainian people, the ukrainian nations, and actually in this free world, and these are the things that, uh, need details, need

arguments, because unfortunately, unfortunately, let's say . then there are certain new objections that we we feel now here, let's say the united states will find all sides of the russian federation, they say that in ukraine there is some kind of persecution of religious minorities, and here it is important for us to explain that there is no persecution of religious minorities. rather, er, well, institutions of the state of russia , institutions that are connected with the kdb, that are covered by religious religious goals in ukraine, and there are quite a lot of such questions that require clarification, which need a deeper understanding of the situation, which we can provide to our colleagues and the representatives of those countries that you are meeting here and at the summit for democracy

are concerned with the prospect of putin's arrest on their territory, well, everyone is different, someone is well, let's start with the fact that not all of them are signatories of a- and the rome statute, and not all countries , well, let's be clear for themselves, understand the possibilities and prospects of their step, not all of the politicians present here represent the governments. and it will be in the majority of the government the governmental position that this or that country will occupy but well, i really hope that the vast majority of the signatories of the rome statute will still act in accordance with their obligations within the framework of this international platform , and if the kremlin leader decides to visit one or another country of the signatories of the rome statute, then they they will act accordingly and arrest this war criminal. well, ivan, this is very

hypothetical, of course, as the previous speaker - a representative of the us state department - told us, but if putin finds himself on the territory of the us, then there is a question, not a fact that he will be arrested, because the us is where you are now you are not a signatory of the rome statute, or rather, they withdrew their signature, well, that is what it is about, that not all countries are signatories of the rome statute well, and uh well , first of all, i think that putin's visit to the united states will not take place as a country maybe some efforts can er can be er used in order to visit the un site which is located on the territory of the united states of america but other er other relevant laws will apply here and not just the law of the land of the united states states of america or wherever it will still be considered within the framework of an international organization in which unfortunately, russia continues