[000:00:00;00] bishop pavlo refuses to do, that is, they will come to the territory of the lavra every day and will pray and will block the work of this commission, that 's it. see what a great reputation metropolitan pavlo has. did you pay attention to how big a support group he has, or did it come as a surprise to you today in the lavra? no, of course , the ukrainian orthodox church can mobilize much more of its believers and supporters, if there is a need, they can bring them together with all of ukraine at the call of metropolitan onufriy, they can organize pilgrimage, but the fact is that it does not solve the problem, there are supporters - these are very specific believers who have such phonetic religiosity, they will really support bishop paul and metropolitan onufriy to the end , but this does not solve the problem, the situation only worsens and creates a very negative

image and picture of westerners the media regarding ukraine regarding the ukrainian church and here it is necessary to communicate with the western audience , including through our diplomats, to explain that we do not have persecutions and that there is law enforcement and all equal before the law for the western or lyceum report from the un, which already hints at the fact that allegedly in ukraine there is some kind of discrimination against believers, here is what you expect . this problem will deepen, so this topic will be fueled and constantly promoted. i think that in the near future, when russia from on april 1, he will preside over the un security council, we will already see the consideration of this issue in the security council, prominent churches are also concerned and are sending letters in support of metropolitan

onufriy because there is an impression that the monks are expelled and evicted, although we see that today they celebrated the liturgy of christ the exalted church without hindrance, and the state does not use force, and this is correct because it is necessary to act here only in such a legal , non-violent way, if there are decisions of the judge. well, then the judicial enforcement service must take its own measures that this whole last week or maybe even more we still watched that the representatives of the uoc mp were taking their property out of the lavra and it would seem that today was supposed to be the culmination, but on the one hand they are property they took out and on the other side they came out and said that they were not going to leave. and why did they then take out the property? what kind of game is this? they took out the most valuable. that's because the dsc is there and the soul and physically they usually stay there because the main value is the laurel - this is

of course not boilers there are non-chaplains and not their property that they took away the main value of the lavra is the shrines it is near and far caves where the relics of the kiev-cave devotees rest these are temples the same christ vyzhensky anu zachativ academic church of christmas of the holy mother of god, which today the rector and the seminarians blocked and did not allow to carry out an audit there to sign the acts of acceptance of the transfer, that is, they will protect them, this must be understood. i don't know what the government's plan is, but here we need to look for some non-standard way out. you mentioned the seminarians. by the way, i also wanted it to mention that already on the territory of the lavra, it is actually an educational institution, yes, a theological seminary, if i am not mistaken, or the theological academy is also a legal entity, it is the mp, by and large they also have to leave or

they can remain that the government transferred the entire complex of the lavra to the assumption kyiv-pechersk lavra of the uoc mp, and the lavra already subleased one part of the building for the seminary academy and the other buildings for the kyiv metropolitanate as an administrative center. ideally, these should be direct contracts to the rector it is better not to block shops but to agree with the authorities on a separate agreement on the conditions of use of this property because i do not see another way out well, and then from your point of view, is it possible that such a situation is today we see in the kyiv-pechersk lavra in the lavra a repeat on the territory of another pochaiv lavra, for example. do you see this in the plans of the state or should there be such plans in the state? i think that now the authorities are acting very carefully and at the local level , the ternopil regional council has already begun to study this is a question of creating a working group, how can you legally terminate the contract of use, which is concluded until 2052, but i think that until

this problem is solved in kyiv , no one will touch pochaiv, because it will be even more difficult to get access to the property of kyiv-pecherska there lavras, by the way, a new church was built there, which is the private property of the bcmp , they definitely did not leave it, and after all, the electorate wanted to say that they hoped for their own parishioners in such a greater number. more than we saw today, but still the current situation in the country will not allow it to be organized. it must be taken into account that we are under martial law and holding such mass events or pilgrimages is prohibited and there will be law enforcement

law enforcement agencies will not prevent a mass pilgrimage of believers of the uoc mp to kyiv, so i think that there are 200-300, i don't know, 500 believers who will be on duty every day and pray a-a on the territory of the lower lavra will create a suitable picture and that will be enough and the last question is whether i understood correctly that the churches for the clergy of the uoc mp on the territory of the lavra are already closed, they just live there, can they still worship in the churches today, they prayed in the church, how will it be tomorrow, i don't know if the state can somehow seal or prohibit access to these temples, we will see it now, but the keys, including those of the temples, are held by the monks of the kiev-pechersk lavra, and they do not allow the members of the commission to enter the temples, but will perform their services there now . thank you very much for the comment andriy smirnov, religious scholar, doctor of historical sciences, we talked about what is happening in the kiev-pechersk lavra and we will follow

this topic. i think for a long time to come. thank you very much. the american institute for the study of war reports this in its report. based on published online and geo-located videos , analysts of the institute write that russian forces have a slight advance in the south and southwest of bakhmut. well, a day earlier, the institute for the study of war wrote that according to its calculations, the units of the wagner group as a result of many months of fighting, approximately two-thirds of the territory of bakhmut was occupied, the highest military commander of the united states, general mark milley, said that there are about six thousand experienced fighters fighting in bakhmut and 20-30 thousand or of new recruits of the wagner group, including the recruited prisoners of milli, in a comment, sianen said that the wagnerites are already suffering large , very large losses, in particular, and because the ukrainians

organized a very effective defense, how do ukrainian tanks work under bakhmut during the battles for the city, see the report further in bahamian direction, they supported our infantry, destroyed the infantry dugouts, we expect a very strong reinforcement with small equipment, appreciate the equipment, modern modern weapons, and we are jumping with opportunities, more, wider, their opportunities i would like to sit for the abrams because it has better combat characteristics , combat characteristics, driving qualities, so it is interesting that this technique is

a t-64 tank in the bv modification, it was still of soviet production, it was made at the kharkiv armored plant but it's a very good car in principle uh, um, i work with it every day, almost every day, we go on some combat tasks, uh, we perform various missions , of course. well, all people, we're all military, we 're all afraid, but this fear is he is very he very strongly controlled well, like when you are performing the actual combat mission, and you are not worried about the fact that you can be injured or killed there, or your car will be hit , you are just doing your job, you do not think about it well

, that is only later, when the battle is over. but this is already about the situation in the east, and in particular in the bakhmut direction , we will continue to talk. yevhen, a wild social activist , former company commander of the aidar battalion , yevhena, joins the broadcast. my congratulations. glory to ukraine, glory to the heroes , i will begin. so i will begin with the last one of in the last interview of volodymyr zelenskyi, in an interview with the usa and tedpress, he said that if the armed forces do not win the battle for bahamut , ukraine will increase the pressure to find unacceptable compromises with the russians with the russian aggressor. do you share this vision? well, actually, the question is not entirely about me i can just tell you what is happening here at the front. and your question would be much better addressed to one of our diplomats, but first of all probably to our diplomats in the united

states, as our main ally and partners, but we can judge from open sources in the media. i am afraid that the commander-in-chief is right in this case. the fact is that on the one hand we hear the speech of, for example, our loyal ally general osstin, who said a long time ago somewhere a month ago that for the sake of god if you retreat from bahmut, it will not affect our support in any way, we perfectly understand that there are tactical retreats and so on, yes, but this is what a professional military general says, and the statements of politicians are very different, and considering that it is generally conditional speaking on the western front, that is, in western countries, in the media field, in politics, russia has so far achieved more success than we have actually on the front in the donbas, and so in fact, even while we are holding on as we are now holding on, it is still

quite often in the west that here are the voices that both sides cannot achieve success, this is a stalemate, so the sooner we actually sit down at the negotiating table and freeze the conflict, the better, because no one will win anyway. actually, i 'm afraid that zelensky is right, what if u.s such people will have to leave the bahmut, and frankly speaking, i do not exclude this at all. well, this is a war, and let's say there are circumstances when there are simply no options not to leave, then i am afraid that this will really be used by supporters of putin's so-called peace plan, but in fact of the plan to freeze this war, which is not scary for ukraine , then the next question is that it is interesting and interesting to me , both for a journalist and for a citizen . yesterday, deputy minister of defense hanna malyar wrote a big post on facebook and

urged not to spread slander about bakhmut. and from the point of view of anna the painter, the following messages belong to ipson, the alleged decision to keep bakhmut is a political decision , it is said that it does not make sense to keep bakhmut because almost everyone is surrounded there, and the alleged heroism of the ukrainian military is inflated by ukrainian propaganda. well , these are such messages and psa says hanna the painter, we never question the heroism of the ukrainian military in any direction, no matter where they are. but really, we often have our experts and military experts we ask the military if it is really expedient and meaningful as of today, given what we see on the maps , to hold the defense of bakhmut and given that even we often hear such critical comments from the ukrainian military to the foreign press. so, as of today how would you answer this question or do you see the expediency of keeping bakhmut, what is the strategic importance of this city, well , let's start with the fact that there uh so that anna the painter doesn't say there, but you know when we compare two

different statements about the political weight of this question one, i'm sorry for the word from the abnormal, the second from the president of the country well, i don't know exactly why, but for some reason it seems to me that the president of the country is a little more competent in such matters. that's why they inform him specifically about the political aspects. i think he 's a little fuller than mrs. mogila. - what is it called, and in fact, in principle, war and politics cannot be separated, in principle, war is the most terrible, the most terrible tool of politics and political methods in the course of war. they often play a greater role than i can name far from one war in history that was lost on the battlefield, namely in the corridors of politicians or in the media. by the way, just recently , the sad date of the 50th anniversary of the withdrawal of the americans from vietnam was celebrated this is perhaps the most vivid example of a war that could have been won on the battlefield, but which was lost in the media and in public opinion

, and, accordingly, it led to a direct military defeat . it is not the only humanitarian choice of this situation i mean the following four cities, namely siversk slavyansk e.e. kostiantynivka and kramatorsk e. these four cities are currently close to the front, flights arrive there from time to time, but these are the front-line cities with separate arrivals, we can compare the condition of soledar and bakhmut avdiivka is the same. that is, these are cities that in fact are no longer on the map. all of these cities are left with the place where they were located and the mountain of ruins in which the battles are currently being fought. so , after the war, they will simply have to be completely to restore zero at all, yes, uh. if it proves to you to go away from bahmut, which , unfortunately, i do not rule out at all, then in this case , these four cities are siversk, a small one

comparable to soldar. she is used to calling it that way, these three cities will all become more bakhmut and uh, they will all become front-line cities, and from the front-line cities, that is, they will actually pass through them. their defense, and as a result, after the war, they will then be in the same condition as bakhmut is now. and this is after the war, and at the moment, in such a case, it will be necessary to urgently evacuate the entire civilian population from these four cities, that is, this humanitarian aspect is also really very important and finally, there is still, let’s say, the military side, but the question is the military side of the question . again, this may sound a bit cynical, but so far our losses are much greater and they are many times greater for fortune-telling, well, in general, it's not scary, but in general, this

meat grinder actually remains profitable for us , that is, it is far from always possible to use a heavy-duty thing . there you always have to try to save the lives of your own, but everything has its price, and uh, in order to say let's say, uh, we pay a price that is currently acceptable to us for keeping bahmut. is it no longer acceptable? so, for this , we need to have much more complete information than you and i can have, for this we need to have all the details on all the losses . we will put units there. that is, what has in fact, only gesha, and in fact, in any case, i am not very jealous of the general staff and in general. well, the command, because they really have to make a very difficult decision every day, that is , to continue the defense of bahmut or not to continue it, in any case, you understand, there is no of a good option here, both options are extremely difficult and, accordingly, every day we have to decide which of the options remains

the lesser evil, but you said it, you mentioned the fact that none of the parties can change the situation in their favor. talk about the ukrainian armed forces. do you understand? share with us what the ukrainian military lacks to turn the situation in its favor in the bakhmut direction. indeed, this battle has dragged on for quite a long time. the active phase of the fighting is very simple . first of all , there is a lack of people. there is a lack of people, there is a lack of artillery, so there is a lack of artillery, well, what about the barrels, what about the bc, and why there is a lack of people and why there is a lack of artillery, and for one very simple reason, that again , every day we have to find this balance how many reserves can now be thrown there on bakhmut to deter and grind the enemy there. and how many are needed after that, well , how many should be left for the very

future offensive that everyone is so waiting for , that is, what is often the same people in general. bakhmut must either surrender or, on the contrary, throw everyone there and there, spread the hills there, and the same people ask well, when, when, are you leading a big offensive, and at the same time they simply do not ask themselves why, sorry? and we have a limited number of people and these people can fight or there or there or today or tomorrow because no one can fight forever people who go , for example, to fight in bakhmut well, in the best case, they will be very exhausted for some time and will need rest, and in the worst case , well, let's be honest, a lot of people go to the hospital from there immediately i am not talking about those who, unfortunately, do not always remain there as a kingdom. heavenly thanks to all of them, in fact, for every hour they receive there, but the fact is that if we look at it, let's say not from the point of view of the life of an individual person, but unfortunately, the war - it's the kind of thing where you have to rise above this decision and count

people sometimes. well, it's scary, but as a resource, in this case, this resource is not infinite, and you need to determine how much of it can be thrown at bakhmut, how much at uh-e audio unit, and how much should be left for this next mood to go into which our society and our allies actually require and not to go into which we actually have no options about this, first of all , everyone is constantly asking about it and the allies are talking about it and there was even information that the allies they demanded to wait there for a certain period, surrender the alleged bakhmut and wait for the forces for a counteroffensive, and the western press wrote about it. and just yesterday, oleksiy reznikov, the minister of defense, in an interview with the media of the baltic countries, said that ukraine could go on a counteroffensive literally this summer he even hinted at some specific directions. this is what the military says and what do you think about

the prospect of the counter attack, really, i understand now how i interpreted this period, this is a preparatory period, this is a preparatory period, but then about how to interpret it. let's start with the fact that in a good way under other circumstances, uh, we should generally consider and how soon we will be ready and when for us, in principle, it is the most profitable, and in this case , it would be possible not at all in the near future, but in the real world in which we have to survive and win, but in this real life we ​​don't really have an option. the fact is that our allies are actually asking the question of whether or not in the near future ukraine will go on a counteroffensive and something serious will release, if not all, then at least a significant part of or in such in which case you intervene, what does it consist in the liberation of all your territories? if you are still physically unable to do so, and in that case, maybe let us really help you

to agree with russia on freezing the conflict. on the one hand, there are all these mantras about how we will support you as long as it takes, but in fact it is already announced in a direct text that you have a window of opportunity until the fall, and how you show yourself before the fall will be determined by this how much will you continue to be supported in general, and in general even well, it almost sounds like we have already bought you so many things, actually. and then where is your offensive , and it is absolutely not taken into account that this is , first of all, this is so much that we bought yes, it is a lot compared to what was before, but it is still much less than what we would actually need, even minimally, because, excuse me, but we need to count how much they give, not because oh-oh-oh, we

spent so much, but in comparison with those the enemy to fight against whom it is given, and such an elementary comparison immediately shows that, well, if last year they gave us what they promised at least at the last rammstein , the church has already 3-4 times because russia has already managed to conduct a large mobilization, they gave her time for this precisely by delaying the delivery of heavy weapons to us. well, okay. less, however, there is another factor that, for some reason, is very often forgotten, that what has already been paid by western taxpayers is absolutely not equal to what has already actually arrived in ukraine, and this uh, the biggest problem right now is probably this time lag when bank checks are already written out and senators start demanding reports for them, but in reality this means that a prepayment has been made and in a few months this equipment will

actually physically appear. to go on the offensive because they have already spent a lot of money is absolutely not equivalent to the fact that a really sufficient amount of equipment has already reached us. and by the way, why do they so brazenly claim that it is really an insufficient amount and literally the other day actually the american army conducted very interesting maneuvers for the first time there 10 many decades of practice it was the war well , let's call things ours actually from russia that's exactly how russia is now fighting in ukraine in ukraine and the maneuvers were exactly that the legend of the maneuvers was completely based on this experience, because they had to use their forces in ukraine during these maneuvers in order to achieve some success, we will see that what they give to all the armed forces on a 1,000-kilometer front is roughly

equivalent to what they gave to one divisions, that's just about the same amount of equipment that ensured the advantage of one division that broke through the legend of maneuvers for 150 km, this is as much as they give us for the entire thousand -kilometer front, it's actually about how ready we are, you understand and what he's talking about - this is it done deliberately? is it really a lack of understanding of what and how much ukraine needs now? i think it is a very complicated combination between these things. but again, here you are, again, not quite an expert. who could answer this question? it would be better for example, oksana markarov, i address our service in the states, but well, from afar, it looks like this, it is a complex combination, firstly, really misunderstanding, and because most western politicians are not oriented in reality at all. if there is such a big war in their history

not since the second world war, well, for the united states since the korean war, it’s a very long time, all these people practically did not live, or the oldest of them were children during the korean war , none of them saw the second world war at all therefore, for them it is something from books , but in their head it looks completely different, in their head they see the wars of alya and cancer, but afghanistan, and here it is fundamentally different, and on the other hand, this is actually a much more fundamental problem that the so-called collective action and in the first place the states have not decided to the end what they saw as the desired end of this war, because it is not a secret for anyone that not everyone in the west wants the complete victory of ukraine and the devastating defeat of russia, many people there are afraid , it is time, they do not want putin's victory, but they are afraid him of complete defeat, all the talk about what should be preserved, let him save face, that on the contrary, the complete collapse of the russian army in ukraine may lead to

the collapse of russia in general. well, from our ukrainian point of view, that would be just fine, but many in the west, and even in particular in the states, are very is afraid of this scenario. that is why two things overlap here: a lack of understanding of purely military aspects and a lack of consensus about what the end of this war should be. that is, all those who are not sure that the war should end completely with the defeat of the razka, but they believe that some intermediate, softer scenarios are needed. of course, they are for a very dosed supply of everything yevhen, thank you very much for your comment yevhen , a wild social activist, a former battalion company commander, aidar was on the radio svoboda antonivka one of the most shelled villages in the kherson region, it is located on the bank of the dnieper, close to the overgrown antoniv bridge, suffers daily from russian shelling from the other occupied bank, a journalist of

the radio liberty project news about azov went to antonivka and talked with the local residents who still remain in the village, they told about their life under constant shelling, told about enemy drones hunting them , how they can't sleep in basements, why don't they evacuate to safer places . look, it's just as simple that people gather in old age and there where did they bring water, change, honey, bread, where do they issue mortars, and tanks, mortars, and hailstones, the hailstones hit the wall , i have the remains lying there, the tank is just leaving , the tank fired, drove in, and now it’s worse with firewood they are chasing after the volunteer. he caught up with the drone. he threw a grenade. he managed to throw the moped and run into the house. it saved his life. the moped was beaten . this is the fifth case . there is an auto depot here on our side. and yes, there are a lot of them. i had

one drone through the window. i have 10. i looked, i looked after 15 minutes, the second drone flew in, a grenade was thrown from the roof of the house, they were pelting the civilians stupidly, this is what you see here , we had a flare-up in february, in general, everything was fine here, wholesale buryat helicopters there , he dropped them to these dugouts, you can see there, the buryats were here the sniper was sitting on the roof and there, where you can see from the side of the dacha, it doesn't work out better. because it happens that there is a sniper who slaps a machine gun . it happens that it is extinguished. it's just crazy. now the situation is hot, hot, very, very loud , very loud and scary, and at night, i say. we are not sleeping, no one is waiting, but we are afraid that it will pass as soon as possible, because it is very difficult to be here at night and not sleep and wait and you do not know what will happen to you during the day, the light is still pious, and at night, of course, the light is very scary, we do not have

the sixth of november and we do not know when it will be because every day there is a flow of water, thanks to our city canal, water from the canal, they pump us water with generators, our water is golden because there is a lot of maintenance on these generators, fuel goes, it is very scary at night , it is very scary to sleep in the basement, what comes almost every day, it flew to the neighbors there were four arrivals. and we were in the house with such a feeling that stones were falling from the sky on the house, which was very scary . here we have one sofa, two beds, a peasant is standing, we are drowning a peasant because it is very cold at night if it was very loud recently, it was