[000:00:00;00] just yesterday evening, the speaker of the house, the representatives of the house of representatives, mccartney, there are especially other members of the house of representatives, they stated that trump was quoted as saying that this is political persecution, that this is an insult. although you said that this insult to the american people, that the american people will not tolerate this, you know, i do not think that this will in any way affect the popularity of the ramp. because those who adore him will continue to adore him so that he does not say that he does not he made sure it didn't happen, he already pointed out that he could go out to manhattan to kill a person and nothing happened, that's how it is, absolutely that's how it is. so, if he went out there and killed a person, then all his p- all those who adore him would continue

to adore him, that's why when, for example, yesterday, senator graham, in an interview with the foxy channel, he simply called and urged the audience to send money to trump, they send a lot of money with them so that he would have money to pay his lawyers , of course i want to repeat in ukrainian at the same time, she said a series of the fox channel. well, because i respect the espresso channels, then its viewers, you don’t want to, don’t want to lag, only allow yourself . i'm a professor, and people who support trump, that's what we're talking about now, there are fewer of them and more of them , are they the same as in the 16th or 20th years , and there are about as many of them left ? i doubt that i thought that trump was like that, but now i saw that he is not like that and

now i think a little differently. there are already a lot of such people, or is there a fixed number of people who will vote for him and they will vote in the same way as, say, in the 20th year? -e look among independent voters who are not partisan. i think that his supporters have decreased and this was visible from the results of the congressional elections last november, because he has a lot of candidates , he simply hand-picked the performances, especially in the house of representatives and arsenates uh, too and they lost the elections. they easily won the primaries from the republican party, but they lost the elections if all the voters would have voted, that is, among independent voters. he lost the votes he had, well , not all of them, but he lost a lot, but in the republican party itself, in the popular remain very large, according to the latest polls, he is ahead of the paratroopers if we

were correct today, then he would have been elected the undisputed candidate of the republicans for the position of president, he would have won the paratroopers connection correctly, if it were today what it will be difficult to say tomorrow, but i think that this is the core of its detractors , its worshipers, you can say that it does not change, it does not change, it does not increase, but it does not decrease. it is a few tens of millions of people, i estimate it as 20 million. they will never vote for anyone but him. well, maybe if someone like that appears again, how will he be liked by voters, but these are voters who , before the appearance of trump, simply did not go to the elections. no, i don't know if there is no trump. they will go to the elections. and you and i would still discuss this issue, but i would like to repeat it again because and all of america, if

you take america ten years ago, 20, and even more so, 30, and even more so, 40 years ago, there are some adulterers, well to put it mildly, they were criticized, in contrast to the european ones, everyone there knows about the former president of france, okay, he has a mistress, there are no questions, ah, miteran , there his wife and mistress followed his coffin, and well, france. well, yes, he has a wife, a mistress, and the poor man er clinton god harrows and i'm not me and the house isn't mine anyway they found it and everything in the world is now completely open everywhere on all channels oh trump oh he means well stripper oh he 's a porn star oh there's another one there too somewhere it's just going around well how well how in france i

as miteran and the people are like that. yes, we have such a president. he didn’t pay the miners money for education. you have to tell these people. they are just. yes , we won’t dwell on it. the necessary ones were served . that is, this moral imperative that has existed in the united states for years is a little bit. well now not now he a little immoral imperative am i wrong? well, i think that the attitude has changed because it is, well, for example, this example of trump shows simply that people's attitude towards it has changed, that is, it is his private life that he should sort out his private life there, i don't know his wife and this is not at least his supporters are not bothered by it, it might have such a negative, well, form a negative image in the eyes of different people there, he, well, you know, the attitude is still different in the united states and france towards

the donter, but i agree with you for now now well there is no such thing, let's say how everything was cyclinton, well, everyone knows that there are injuries about cheating on his wife. well, let it go . so it's his business, it doesn't concern anyone , you know, very little is even discussed here. the fact is that i can not accuse because he had an affair with this actress in adult films, and not even because he paid money for her to keep quiet, but because he took this money in and out of taxation, he formalized that he paid money as for services a lawyer from legal services can be exempted from taxation. that is, it is a falsification of financial statements . he paid

$130,000 to his lawyer koin, who paid $130,000 from the money side, he returned the money not from his own pocket, but from his company's account, signed checks himself and then issued financial statements so that he paid money to a lawyer for legal services, and then this money is deducted from your taxation , the company did not pay taxes on it, well , it is, you know, it would even be an administrative offense if it was not used for that so that it is not a crime, an administrative violation if it was not used to cover up a crime, but the crime was that he paid money and these are the papers that were signed by store medonias for the very purpose of buying them silence so as not to form a negative account of which negative image before voting in in the 16th year, that is, it was money that was related to the elections, and he was supposed to pay his election fund from it in such a case, but he

did not do it, and this is a crime, a criminal offense, because it is a violation of the legislation on financing of election campaigns financing of election campaigns must be carried out on any expenses related to elections must be carried out only from the election fund and reporting on it must be open, that is , any person has the opportunity such a citizen, the voter has the opportunity to take it read see what the candidates spent money on. he made such a hidden payment, er, what did he break the law, and actually his lawyer with his ex-girlfriend, he was er, he was tried for this, he had a sentence of three years in prison. well , what does that mean for him under oath he lied to congress. well, overall, he got three years in prison, and trump appeared in his criminal case, what was his name then

, and the individual was one, and then the federal prosecutor's office, when the prosecutor general was appointed the bombardier, she closed the case because he went to prison and the case was closed, the investigation was closed, well, but there was a crime, there was a cogen from it, he was in prison, and now koin is cooperating with the prosecutor's office, show the ford , i will restore it if i have it, because i still have me. finished as you say i can come back later you can ask questions and i don't want to be philosophical let's go i want to ask about what will happen now around the arrest in russia correspondents of george levin's olstvi gorshkovi is it always such a moment i said the highest confrontation but on the other hand the invitation to some conversation, because i remember the last time a journalist of this level was arrested in the soviet union just before

reyhan's visit. it was nikolas danilov, a correspondent of the new york times. i remember it precisely because after that, there was nothing like that, a serious publication, a serious warning, there were articles in the newspapers, but there were no arrests, detentions , so what was it called, not news , what kind of news, well, marta kolomiets was detained there, yes, no , but that was a question, and now... it's obvious that i'm gorshovich, i'm not a spy, it's obvious that it's all just such a comedy, but why does russia need it now? how will the united states react to your opinion? well, i think that russia needs it because it is necessary to constantly hold american citizens hostage. they are constantly arresting not

one or another american over there on some kind of absurd accusations, they are putting forward targets. this is necessary in order to have such a lever and deter the united states from some actions, and because of this, they are forcing the american administration to join with negotiations for the release of these people and get the american administration to take some steps. well, for example, i am more than sure that the united states does not recognize russia as a sponsor of terrorism . it is precisely because of the fact that they are forced to introduce constant negotiations for the release of their citizens who are being taken hostage in russia and yesterday, er, everyone expressed absolute outrage at this er cross of ivan hryshkovich, and the state department called on all americans who are still in russia, including those who has dual citizenship, immediately

leave there all americans who are going to go there, refuse this because any american, if he appears in russia, can be arrested , any charges can be brought against him absurd accusations and can be thrown into prison, then into a camp, and the american administration will be absolutely bound by this , because it will be forced to conduct very difficult negotiations to free its citizens. well, i think that putin must surely want to achieve something significant for himself because he is so so so very well, i’m shouting, what is the river, a journalist who was just doing his job. by the way, he has been in moscow for quite a long time, and i think that he is one of those americans who know russia, maybe even there with their love they somehow love her, they love to write about her, of course he is not a spy and well, here in america it is like that

, if it wasn't for the story with trump yesterday, then everyone talked only about this, it's just that trump yesterday did not approve of this great julia the accusation, it interrupted all the information, but still, let's say yesterday in the morning, we could go to any news site, e -e, watch a package of these news about trump on tv , there was not only this conversation, i think i came back to it because it was from trump somehow it will calm down so slowly, and the mountaineer is threatened with prison there, i don't know how many, how many years of imprisonment, well, this is what a terrorist state does, like any other terrorists, they take hostages in order to be able to do everything, that's how it happens here, mr. professor but among those people who expressed criticism

of putin's kremlin and so on about evan gorshkovich and the rest but there were some such thoughts , i mean he that now this poor evan is doomed, that is, there are practically no options to get him out of there, only due to some complicated agreements , some exchanges, etc. because in fact, in order to release him now, it is necessary to exchange him for some russian who is in the american difference fresh for putin, not just russians who well, i also think that it

can be connected with, you know, something very recently, about a week ago, the united states arrested a russian spy who lived here for many years under him would be , well, he was an illegal, allegedly a brazilian who studied here, lived with a brazilian name and surnames , in fact, he is an agent, he is a russian intelligence agent , his real name is known and the last name may also be connected with this, but let's not beat that evengerskovich is not the only american hostage who is everything in russia , and there are other american citizens , including those who are absolutely absurdly accused of espionage that are sitting there in camps and prisons. therefore, it is for the administration of the united states - this is really a big headache, and for russia - these are levers with the help of which it wants to achieve something so that the united states does not do something or is forced to talk with russia

about the release of these citizens so that this kind of trade would take place , in fact, auto trade, including unfortunate people held hostage by a terrorist state called the russian federation. thanks to igor eisenberg, professor of new york university thank you, mr. igor, it is always interesting to do business with you. and we are going to kyiv from new york, from new york city to kyiv, where interesting events are unfolding . archimandrey, doctor of philosophy, professor of the stockholm school of theology, kyrylo govorun, will be with us from sweden. they tell me that he is not just from kyiv , but i am here. i apologize. he is in sweden. the kyiv pechersk lavra is in kyiv, and this was

the ukrainian lavra in kyiv. i know exactly what is not in sweden has the right to play. i'm here. the whole road to recovery has passed. literally in 30 seconds, and you can hear us, mr. kirill. i can hear you . let's still try to understand what is really happening and will happen because i was very surprised that for this date, the 30th e- march 29, march 29 everyone said, well, this will be the last day of the uoc mp service, it was the headlines . on the 30th and 31st there is already a court decision that they have but they don't go services are continued by the commission they don't allow nothing happens what's next they say not only they will find now they say we won't go we won't go some of them say no don't think we won't go the position of the metropolitan

threatens the authorities so s- with such an absolute awareness of one's power, this is not just some kind of procrastination , but you didn't, we didn't go to you yet , you didn't talk to us, well, now there will be another conversation. what is this? factors factors a-a part of those who are on the territory of the lavra have already left this lavra, and i am talking about those, first of all, a-a of the kyiv metropolis, this is the administrative part of the church, this is actually the head of the leadership of the ukrainian orthodox church. left the lavra, and also part of the theological schools, seminaries of the academy left, and it was really such a difficult process, because now it is the middle of the semester, in fact

, the educational process continues and the students had to urgently leave their place somewhere moved and had to move the library somewhere, such a large library, which even before the revolutionary times remained in the lavra, and part of the monks also left , as far as i know, and of course , this whole complex, which was formed over 30 years there in a few days, is very difficult take out, etc. that is, it must also be understood that this is not just one person who just packed his bags and left, uh, this is a very complicated process and obviously it will continue, but i don’t know how it will end and what will be the result of this process once again so that we are here they understood maybe i misunderstood something, that is, some part

and onuphrius belong to that part left. and paul remained and some part around paul and the monks of the monastery remained. monasteries he is the governor he is not the abbot he when he is called his changes include the abbot he is not the abbot but he is not the main ice man figure in the monastery the main figure of the monastery i metropolitan nuclear he is called the holy archimandrite of the equipment paul is the governor that is, he is the representative of onuphrius in the monastery and it was he who remained, he became the main spokesman a-a on behalf of the monastery what is really a very bad service aa e-e serves for this monastery and it is he and his university that recently sound the most provocative statements that you advised the ukrainian authorities to do in this situation, that is, as part of the situation , to drive them out by force - this is absolutely not what they would like, and not to pay attention to the fact that the monastery remains there is to sign off on one's own

helplessness, that is, to actually admit that there is another the center of power headed by metropolitan onufry is not in the lavra. and i apologize to the country , yes. this is a difficult question. i think that i am not in a position to advise the authorities. but in my opinion , if we talk about some long process of neutralization, the danger that emanates from the uoc and the danger for the security of the country for its ability to resist the enemy and we are talking about a long process, i would consider the laurel somewhere at the end of this process , not at the beginning of this process. that's where they started and because this has really upset a lot of people, including abroad. i've been taking a lot lately. i've participated in various discussions and round tables abroad, and everyone is watching. now everyone's attention is really focused on the lavra, and this may be

the first case for ukraine. when is the reaction of the international community or the number of our partners abroad, and it may very well not be favorable if before that, that is, it is such and such is a factor in all this, so i would say that it is not possible, it should not have been the first step of the authorities in neutralizing this risk, which can be called the uoc mp, the second is that it is obvious that the authorities took the shortest way to solve this problem to the shortest way to solve the problem - this is to take everyone as a group eh and eh eh and evict what is called that is instead of individually very painstaking usually complex process eh consideration of individual exercises of individual cases decided to be like this everyone approach because if

a person committed a crime against the state of ukraine , he should be punished in the name of the state of ukraine by a ukrainian court and should be sentenced accordingly. not guilty and which no one has canceled so, that is, there are no court decisions regarding individual cases, this means that he will not be guilty. so, this is the way , let's say, consideration or dealing with a group of certain social groups, because nuns are a certain social group. yes, it is complicated, but it is a certain social group, only by belonging to this group, judging people only for the independence of this group is not very democratic. well, to put it mildly, it does not meet certain standards that ukraine has taken upon itself and this as it turns out, it is not very productive, because it is precisely this that stirs up interest in this both inside ukraine and outside of ukraine, so it seems to me to be the right

strategy, the right method. it was a legal method of considering each case violation of the ukrainian law on collaboration and the punishment for this case is not a group, so to speak, we are, in general, them, but everyone who is really guilty before the state of ukraine, and there are actually many of them in the uoc, but tell me, are you in sweden and when you just have conversations with swedes who know what do they say about this situation, they tell you that it would be better for you to do this way or that you would do better that way well, there is such an option that many people are discussing it's just to forget about it for a while well , it's just not there well, some part has gone maybe in a year, some part will still go, but on the other hand, today, sociologists wrote that 54% of ukrainians are in favor of

some sufficiently tough action against the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate . and this tells me that a large part of people may not be 46%. but maybe there are 40 or 35% who are still against some such rather energetic actions on the part of the authorities, what foreigners say, they give some advice or some reflections on this matter. well, i will give you an example, for example, about a week ago in our country a webinar meeting was held at the initiative of the order of st. andrew the first-called of the ecumenical patriarchate, that is, the rural patriarchate has such an influential order within it, it is based in america, in the united states, and its main function is to support the ecumenical patriarchate of the patriarchate of constantinople. and here they organized a webinar on the ukrainian situation , they offered to change the topic of this webinar at the last moment and offered to talk

not about russian aggression against ukraine, but about the issue of freedom of conscience within ukraine and to be honest, it was very difficult for me to participate in this webinar and be an apologist for ukrainian policy in this regard, because there was just such a clear concern about the situation and legality , including from friends of ukraine. i know that they are friends of ukraine and they are just the sum total of these arguments that were voiced during the selection of the webinar. it can and can be simplified to the point that each case must be considered individually on the basis of the law. people cannot be judged only by by the fact of belonging to a certain group, even if you hate this group more, hate more, the majority of society, we knew, we know that in history , it was not always democratic and led to good results, on the contrary, it was, that is, it is really

big, there is a big the request of society's temptation to solve the problem of the ukrainian church, so let's put it in quotation marks, this is the problem of the ukrainian - this is the uoc mp, but in society there is a great demand for it is obvious that the state is between uh, what is called a hammer and the anvil between these two very important factors is the request from society to solve the problem of the ukrainian orthodox church and the legal norms , first of all, freedom of conscience, which ukraine should adhere to, how to get out of this situation, how to swim. with two concepts. this is a very difficult, very difficult problem . i honestly did not envy the state that has this problem, but a way must be found, you can't just go

... just everything take and ban, and on the other hand, you can't ignore the challenges for ukraine's security, because the ukrainian orthodox church is part of the risks that exist before ukraine as a state, before ukrainians as a people, that's a very difficult problem, it was like that because you know everyone will say that indeed, we understand, we are for ukraine , we are rooting for ukraine, but it is necessary that certain principles and that their state and society adhere to them, this is first of all the principle of freedom of conscience panacea and if you can draw a dotted line of what you don't like priests and the faithful in the mp in the patriarchate of constantinople why they well, they said it is not canonical , well, as if the first among equals, the patriarch of er concentration said ok, it is canonical, it

is me, there are also some greek churches here that say but we also recognize, that is, that here are the ones that prevent me from saying well, let's go. we don't want to go there now, but in six months we will gradually start to transition because it's all normal canonically . how can i? because indeed we have the case with a certain endocrinization of people who were simply taught to brainwash them is also called regarding the constitution of the patriarchy through these local mass media, a bubble that was created, an information bubble, a bubble inside the uoc a and e e because of a problem that arose after even after the 14th year and after the maidan after euromaidan, when this

problem intensified only after the 18th year , when the autocephalous canonical orthodox church of ukraine was created for the vysotsky patriarchate, this problem will intensify, that is, within the uoc, the government was allowed. by the way permission to create an information bubble that effectively isolated people, the brains of many people, many ukrainians - these are the citizens of ukraine, but they should be beaten like this, they were trained and arranged against constantinople and against the ptu, against the orthodox church of ukraine, and this bubble actually works until now until now there is a government - it did not do much actually after even after 2014 and we are beginning to see the fruits of this a-a and when everything has already started enough and now one more factor is added to this, which in my opinion a-a the orthodox church ukraine does not always help people inside the patient to treat themselves positively.