[000:00:00;00] i understand that certain processes are happening, and you know that. if there was no total total advantage , why? because, for example, well, now let's discuss the specifics . yes, there are fencers . there was alishe alishe rusmanov , one of the richest people, who is now in the federation was seeded with money , of course they will look for opportunities, because they owe all ideas that's all there yes, yes, athletics did not have such an influence there, it's not easy, it's not easy, the athletes continued the disqualification at the level at the level of the international federation has different opinions, if the federation is headed by russians, then of course there will be a pro-russian lobby in it well, but something was just recently extended the ban on participation, yes, hockey has a reserve without the winter olympics until the olympic time, they still have enough

, but for putin, for lukashenka, it is very, very painful . they are a renaissance. i was in switzerland all my life, i just lived in russia. he spent a lot of tournaments there, they held a lot of tournaments there, now everything has changed there, that is, it cannot be said that now it is a uniform movement, it goes on for weeks, as they say in galicia, you know , that is, there is a dispute and this dispute will last long enough and it's not that simple, the fencers said yes, we allow russian belarus, we will work out an option to allow the germans and swedes, they said, well , you allow it, we gave it to me, we will not host tournaments, look for where you will hold tournaments, that is, it is not here a uniform story and the fact that there is no money to throw around now. they said that, i apologize. i will say a few more words about football. as an example, she said that they can live without gazprom, this uefa, because the main sponsor of uefa is gazprom, we have money there . they were crazy. compensation the crazy ones played nothing in the champions league everyone owes everything they did they found some kind of opportunity to get out of that situation i don't know how it all

worked out somehow it is and now at this stage the federation understands that it is not possible everyone that is conscious federations who understand that you can't constantly fall under this needle of oil in a needle. when you are constantly being poured some kind of money, you have to look for alternatives, and the whole world understands this, and i don't think that right now, at the moment, there is such a critical situation that they still they will push through, there will be more, there will be many more very different moments, well , the boxer is there, uh, it's a purely pro-russian lobby , that's right, from the international federation, the president of the federation is russian, he says everything, we allow belarusians, russia is all the same to us, so how much eight countries or 10 countries, and the main countries did not go to the world cup, they just said that we will not go to the world cup, that will be it. this is a serious discussion, as the southerner noted in the 38th year, after that in the 40th , after the 30th in the 36th there was an olympics in berlin. yes, when hitler was there at the opening of the olympics, well, he raised his hands, they shouted to him, "hail hitler, and

after that , there was a boycott of the olympics." to the test of such a scenario, a coalition of 35 of countries that advocate for finding some kind of compromise solution in order not to resort to a boycott, but at least we see that there are 35 countries that are ready to, well, at least take such a step, on the other hand, there is ukraine , which can also be a story because, well, well how can i say what kind of compromises are these? what in general can you understand, yes, that is, you have to ask the athlete himself, i am just explaining what about the athlete. and now i think that they are explaining that. imagine a decision is made at the state level, it cuts the fate of a large number of people. with about all the countries there who says everything 35 someone says - 40 countries that hypothetically can join the hypothetical

boycott and as a sign of solidarity with ukraine, but the question is a little different, what are the people who made statements and whose words were perceived as the official statement of the country, they are not official , they are not the subject of the alpine movement in this country , that is, it can be there, i know there, the peace of some city said, that is, the subject of communication between the country and the international olympic committee is the national olympic committee of this country, which according to the olympic charter should be, as we said, neutral to politics, that is, there are similar ministries, but it is simply an oxymoron in our country that our minister is at the same time the head of the national alpine committee because these things should be divided like this and er. of course, these words of these

people are perceived as support for ukraine, but we understand that in order to er. as germany did a few days ago, they at the level of there or assembly or executive committee and they said that today we are with ukraine, we do not support the joining of representatives of russia and belarus to the international alpine movement and to international sports in general, but we would definitely not boycott the games. and now , first of all, everyone is talking about boycott of the olympic games for another 1.5 years if we as a state are currently there if we consider a negative scenario there and now representatives of russia and belarus will be admitted and we will say we refuse to participate in qualifying tournaments because there representatives of russia and belarus will be present, then there is no point in talking about the olympics because we won't get

into it, i won't have a license for this, that's why the situation here is different in different fete federations, the qualifying stage begins next month in greco-roman wrestling with in the month of september, that is, we still have a reserve of time in order to see where the wind will blow at the level of the international federation, but you know, i remember a few days before the start of the war on february 22, when putin's speech was announced about the fact that it joins the occupied territory annexed by ukraine. when i started looking for this broadcast. well, where is it? yes, i found some russian channel. well, i turned it on 15 minutes before the start, when it was supposed to start . this announcement and there was a video of the meeting on the red screen . the square of russian athletes who came from the winter olympics in china , and we remember that at this olympics, due to

doping scandals, russia performed without its symbols, without a flag, without the inscription russia, and i turn on this video and everything is just crazy there the russian holiday of the russians, the athletes, the winners, who once again defeated the whole world at the olympics, and they are all there, of course, with russian symbols, they are the winners of the world , they are the triumphants, they are on red square with russian flags from such a ten-meter high one, and the whole thing is that a few days ago they were shown at the olympics just with the olympic flag they were running there with their flag, shooting , yes, you can't not recognize them, yes, they have defeated the whole world, and when you see it, you understand what putin is for the olympics, what is this sport for, what is it for this doping yes, you don’t need it, it’s purely a sports victory, he needs the flag of russia, the anthem of russia at sports games of any level in order to

carry it simply as an element, as you mentioned, how it was in the soviet union. well, what is olympic sport ? this is a sport for amateurs, and in the first place it does not even apply, because everything is possible, and as in russia, the soviet union solved this issue in them. all athletes were enrolled somewhere as turners at some factories and engaged in professional sports training in order to be guaranteed to win in order to raise the flags of the ussr and compete with the united states in terms of the number of global olympiads won, there was nothing else to wash . now china has joined this competition , which wins all . in any way , so that

they say on their television that a russian athlete won there , ukrainian, american, french , german, so we will also win on the battlefield their leopards are more and more meaningless there yes you said everything correctly this element of propaganda and for him it is very important and under any circumstances then you can show anything you want on red square it is absolutely fair i just wanted to well a little bit as soon as possible well, what should our position be? we can't boycott, or should we boycott? 5:00 a.m in the morning when he is engaged in 12 general decision, the general decision is to select, relatively speaking, from 100 to 200 people in ukraine who gave their whole lives, all their lives, all their health in order to somehow find themselves in that life , it is possible to win, they gave their lives and the coaches were simply physically given away life during russian

aggression and i believe that before this i have repeatedly stated that if representatives of russia and belarus are allowed to participate in international sports, it will be a great diplomatic defeat for our country and we must do everything for so that this does not happen because there are no reasons for it to happen. from the word of mouth, at the moment, the recommendations of the international olympic committee, they were on the 28th to be considered, we do not know what decision will be made, but i very much hope that it will be in our favor, so what is it, it is logical and it is right and all these are all adequate people, you understand the whole progressive world , he is with us , how

will they decide? there will be defeats to repay the athletes with their dreams, and that's for sure, that's for sure, well, if it was a defeat, what a total, that is, we had to do everything so that the russians in belarus were not at the olympics, but it turned out that they are at the olympics and we are not there, how can we do it? so there are those who exist, such as how to do, what can we do, what can we do in order to influence this well , let's say this rather corrupt organization. this is how it looks. at least from the side. -a i think that er subject directly communicating with the representatives of the national olympic committee, they should be there all the time in the lasagna, where they should communicate directly with the representatives of the executive committee and the representatives of the international olympic committee regarding

this situation, convey their position, invite them to ukraine, as they once invited mr. bach , he was here, he talked with zelenskyi, and so on we have two representatives in the international alpine committee , mr. bubka. by the way, i have not seen him publicly regarding the current situation. these people are definitely influential at this level. they also need some kind of communication . we are open athletes. we are definitely open in the sense that if klych is there, i was sure that half of the national team will come to this lozana, hold a rally and deliver what happened to the same kateryna tabachnyk's mother, she died, she died from the market attack of the russian federation, that is, what kind of discrimination can russians talk about at the moment, when half of our

sports infrastructure is simply destroyed, destroyed, and half of the athletes are outside their homes or simply relocated there from different regions. there, to some safer part of our country, friends, relatives are lost in this war, that is, what did we not do , they just wonder what we should have gone to show the video let's understand simply. i want to understand simply that i don't know what we did, and that is, there is no just a survey, if we did, no one is saying anything. now show the audience a video made by channel 1+1 together with ukrainian athletes with a call to prevent russia and belarus from entering the olympics. let's watch it. let's continue our interesting conversation. description of russian and belarusian athletes for the olympic games in paris 2024. it is not permissible to perform under a neutral flag. this is not a sanction. this is a way out of the situation for

russian and belarusian athletes. they can win at tournaments under a neutral flag, they will be brought home and publicized under the russian flag . while russian and belarusian athletes are silent about the crimes of their ukrainian states athletes die for the freedom and independence of the country on the battlefield continues to catherize our population to kill our people civilians er wash the civil and sports infrastructure of enterprises irpin mariupol kramatorsk kremenchuk vinnytsia dnipro my native mykolaiv and all all peaceful cities that under the crosshairs of russia russian athletes must also feel the consequences of their country's actions and that is why they should not be allowed to participate in international competitions. we must do everything to

prevent russian athletes from participating in competitions because we cannot stand with these athletes on pedestals and perform in the same sports halls while the war is going on, we must unite together with our partners together with our allies in this case and prove to the moss that this decision is absolutely shameful of the development of russian propaganda look athletes for all athletes for and we are talking about the fact that something should be done, but i remember the discussion and a month or two ago when they started to find out, because serhiy bubka is representing, being in the international to the olympic committee of ukraine, it was discovered that he represents , well, himself , a natural person. well, there is such a format, that is, they are potential members of the international russian committee. before even after this committee who is the representative of ukraine

there is no such thing but serhiy nazarevich bubka i hope that he has a ukrainian passport and this is already and this and this and this is already the reason in order to at least have some kind of pro-ukrainian position there . i want to point out more about the previous question, what we could have done, what we should have done absolutely. and we very often forget that we have a paralympic committee in which, despite the fact that in general the ranks of this committee, mr. sushkevich stated, the representatives of russia and belarus were removed, lured a few months ago, now the issue is not even raised on the occasion of bringing them back. that is, we have two organizations that essentially perform, well, plus or minus one very, well, globally , the same function, that is, participation in the olympic and

paralympic games in one. now we have uh, 28 votes where it will be true er, to raise questions about the involvement of russians and belarusians, and in the other, it’s not enough that such questions are not raised at all, so they even removed the representatives of russia and belarus from the bench of this organization a few months ago, serious serious behind-the-scenes work by valery mykhailovych himself sushkevich appeared at a meeting of our committee, or at the general assembly of the national committee, he stated that it will not be positive, it just happens if you sit and just stamp letters to various federations there to various representatives of the governments of various countries. this is very good, you yourself understand who especially how and how the letters are read, and directly the behind-the -scenes work and the delivery of the necessary narratives specifically about ukrainians, which preceded this decision, it

gave its results, then it was necessary to go it was necessary to communicate, it was necessary to live there, it was necessary to make a declaration, it is possible to make a statement in the modern world, how will he achieve this ? i want to ask about this compromise option, which is proposed to create some kind of refugee team , what is it, what is it , why are these compromises ? the athletes who are officially condemning these athletes will condemn the aggression, and from them create a certain team there that will go out and so the matter is that one athlete from the russian federation who is training there is located and whose they live there, relatives, close people there, they will definitely not do similar things regarding the conviction in this country, yes, if and if they are offered such an option, they can refuse it, then they will not add it. well, maybe the international secretaries should be consulted, the international olympic committee, for example

to say that you are going abroad, but we allow you to make a statement on the wall that you support the war, it is possible hypothetically, but then the athletes will work it out, even not even so, the question does not arise at all about this because these are the topic no one raises to the level of an international competition and raises well, this is a question for the national committee, who should be the main communicator, friends . look, what is an athlete? yes, this is a person who. well , athletes who prepare and take part in the olympic games. this is a professional athlete who must spend and money, resources, to have sites for training, when he says on the territory of russia that i am against this war, i call war a war, then instead of preparing for the olympics, he sews, sews, sews a peacoat, that there are a lot of russian spinners belarusian athletes do not at all never visit their country. they train, live abroad, they travel internationally , their country finances them, and whether you

did not have any finances . they returned home. i am a girl at the olympics. she has never been to russia . she performed because she was there. she represented this country there. six people, if she does not feel any threat to her loved ones there , who can live and live on the territory of the russian federation, if she really thinks so, then hypothetically, she can express it , and if it was written in the criteria for joining the olympic games, representatives with the er russian federation, yes, but er, well, these are similar cases, i don’t think that this is considered at all at the level of the international olympic committee, that is, for this, you have to come and say yes . okay, er, i know that well, the president of the national safety well, i know what you want on the sidelines in the kuluan, conversations are going on there, in any case

, you want to participate. let's work out the criteria for who has the right to participate in the international games and be a representative of this country . -e with the letter z so that the athletes who stood directly next to putin with the olympic medals from the alpine have to bear everything in the symbols that the athletes from russia have to declare before having the opportunity can sign something that they condemn the actions of the kremlin. they are against this war. it is possible that if they have a list of actions that they should do, then i am sure that even we will not worry about the fact that the russians will be included in the olympic games because they definitely won't go for it, but in general, the national olympic

committee discussed such an idea, you should ask him, well, you're closer to that, you're right there , you're right there, you're not in touch with the registration no, wait, you're in touch, you waited for a meeting that's just not happening anymore the discussion is whether there is much sense at all in squeezing some kind of condemnation of russian aggression out of these athletes when they actually do not feel it. if these same athletes have never done this voluntarily, well, we can imagine that they are under pressure circumstances and so on and so on, but if they really don't condemn, why is it even a question of squeezing, this is a question of leaving a certain possibility for the athlete to still go to the olympics , to stay, in principle, to remain an athlete after leaving russia. if he does not support russia and russian aggression so much, then he, being an athlete, can be in any other country, i think that he can be accepted with joy, he can perform under a different flag, that's right. maybe, but it's a matter of

moral choice. of course, there will be victims of course they will donate, and in soviet times, how many people were there who simply fled the soviet union and these people? no , i don't remember anyone disappearing there . well, let's say life's material and so on, so two questions, that is, first i will answer your question about whether they are fleeing, er, they are fleeing , well, how are they fleeing, leaving, it's just that the reasons are different, i don't think that the lion's share of those who leave think that yes, i condemn putin's actions there, what is going on is happening in ukraine, i am not satisfied , that's why i will leave. this is mainly due to the fact that there is a high, high level of competition, here we

are now for france, for there, for slovakia, for hungary, well, mainly representatives of the caucasus that is, these countries are interested in taking them because there is a large percentage of the fact that he will take an olympic medal at the competition because the level in the caucasus and when the level of competition is crazy and only one from the russian federation competes in the a category and so in us already half of europe is essentially representatives of the caucasus and there they are a powerful school of wrestling among themselves yes, well, there are many it is a traditional sport that is why brazil is in football yes i understand that and therefore, in your opinion, what kind of athletes are they constantly regarding your question, i.e. it's individual and you know i want one case when an athlete condemned publicly in football there were cases we have guys yes a soccer player who actually performs abroad performs yes she performs

abroad i believe she condemned and she officially condemned it i apologize i zo- i forgot just her last name is a soccer player of the russian national team, she said i will not play and i condemn , she constantly declares this video in her social networks for this, she may or may not be able to return to russia in the near future, some other questions, that is, i am leading to the point that the moral choice is not happens for free of course it happens of course they have to make some sacrifices but that is the meaning of the moral choice in this regard because we see the case of this girl who is performing abroad me too i saw this information i don't know the nuances but we we can only guess at the moment in which she has interests within her homeland, but when you are directly in russia, all your relatives and friends are in russia, that is, the value of your words

, here is an athlete who spoke for some russian club and was in russia, she had a different size, no, it’s clear that you understand, if it’s just to realize that you understand the zone, the olympic committee is looking for a way out of the situation in order to give them the opportunity well, anyway, so that they don’t blame them later that you we were disqualified, and everything is correct, but they can tell us that this is not the olympics, what kind of olympics is this, we were not allowed, allowed, allowed, only do this, that, that, that, that, what he suggested right there and what is the story at the moment, at the moment, we are not talking about the olympics, and we are talking about international competitions, in principle, because the olympics are held under the guidance of the international after the committee, and currently, a year ago, the international alpine committee recommended international federations not to allow their representatives , but now the international olympic committee would have this gap. if it were not it's before the olympic year, but i'm just insisting that the federations still make their decision and they will make their

decision, well, they make this decision , looking at the recommendations of the international of the olympic committee, this is the financing of the credit line, when the imf dmv says that the country is great, we will give money and all institutions can be invested , it is the same, approximately, such an advisory function, which in principle must be fulfilled, but not necessarily, we see the president of the international fencing federation, that is, we saw that e - they voted to allow and no one can say anything to them even in the international sand committee, but mainly because many representatives of the heads of international federations are members of the international olympic committee and it will for sure well, as i will draw it, it will not be quite correct from their point of view to jump over the head of the international after the committee, that is, they are also there, if they perform a certain function and they ask him a question, well, you hear, you have an international approach to one place in general that is, there is a question about football. i suggest to mr. zhanna

to take a break from the rush of our clarifications and questions, well, between conversations, you are the conversation, i want to ask you about uefa , the hungarian football federation announced that it has received permission from uefa to use the symbols of the big hungary, where are marked the lands that belonged to hungary before the first world war, including the territory of today's ukraine, a part of uefa, to what extent is it a structure that today is apolitical and independent from well, what can it be? well, we are talking about the international number of the committee and you yourself they were waiting for huge money, it could be politics , they told me that they gave up the money of gazprom , they gave up on the state . no, they gave up on russian, not strong. by athletes, the loss of russia for football, it brings nothing at all from a sports point of view. well, we didn’t go, she went to 14:00

. well, we wouldn’t have gone to the world championship anyway, and the olympics wouldn’t have lost that if a large number of athletes who are outstanding , let’s say yes, for sports, she will lose in the interests of the world cup in football , she will not lose the champions league, they will lose in various types of sports, this cannot be cured , saying that because the olympics represent different athletes who represent different cross-country federations, but in general, well, there there are quite a lot of sports where russians can be have a predominant importance for and somewhere they don’t have at all somewhere of course and for well it doesn’t matter at all, you understand there, except for money, there is no importance, i.e. sports interest, russia does not win anything , it never gets anywhere, it is considered so, you know if the country 's sports plan well, give us money and everything has already been understood by these people and these teams and these structures that we need to look for alternative alternative opportunities in order to function without russian money so that we don't lose anything in the sense of sports, then let's look for where we can replace it with money and in principle. they are looking for these opportunities and they are these

opportunities where they are opportunities now there are a lot of american businesses that enter because they want to build the same system as american football er, and baseball should be built in the same way with european football , i.e. almost all the clubs are now prominently owned by americans, chelsea was bought by the americans, or it may not be justified , the americans bought there now manchester united the americans sell, you buy, that is, the money comes in, and now there is no such influence. i somewhere consciously understand that here, too, there is probably politics at one time. yes, here is russia, here is america. well, we understand that somewhere there is a flag of ukraine, that there is a war in ukraine, and this flag is not just any flag , this is our historical one there is a historical flag, you see it too i think not a strong football player bought football i want to tell you what where some some some some meanings some uefa decisions they are not completely clear to me well, for example, last year we declared that we need well we want to fill every country has the right to fill a servant means they filled glory to ukraine glory to heroes