[000:00:00;00] and should be eliminated in order to be able to conduct some kind of constructive dialogue with the state and with the museum, the history of the psu was suppressed because vladyka pavlo engaged in blackmail. as far as i know, everything is ending as the security service of ukraine is ending opened the crimea against him due to discrimination on the basis of the council of national religious affiliation , religious beliefs, disability and other signs, as well as for justifying the recognition of the legitimate denial of russia's war against ukraine and the glorification of its participants that is, glorification, moreover, searches were conducted in his house, and he claims that he was allegedly sent under house arrest , although the court has not yet issued a decision regarding the selection of a preventive measure, it is interesting, oleksandr

, tell the clergy in general that he has the right to behave this way and why do you think he is provoking this religious enmity and this is how everything is presented as if it is the government and the people are provoking religious enmity, why is he doing all this, for what purpose, again , to answer this question because it is is open. you yourself perfectly understand that no human being can behave like this, and even more so a clergyman who considers himself a servant of god, where was the monk's humility then, where were the instructions of love, that is, what happened, do you remember beautifully when he said

what evening will you die cursing all the employees of the museum. this information is completely available on the air and everyone knows about it, that is, such odious behavior of metropolitan pavlo, well , i had to observe it for many years , since i lived in the lavra since 1998 was metropolitan volodymyr's secretary back in 2002, there was an attempt by metropolitan volodymyr to displace vladyka pavlo, but certain forces , certain of his contacts, did not allow this to happen, what happened later, you yourself know this, party of regions, communist party in kyiv connections with yanukovych. the arrival of kirill putin, that is, there were such circumstances that actually protected him until the last moment. how the current events will develop is quite difficult to say, but

i hope that they will develop in this way. from the point of view that bishop pavlo himself spoke about, from the point of view of the law, there is a violation of the rules, there must be responsibility for the violation, so we have to explain to people this is an important thing that, in fact , metropolitan pavlo he is not the head of the lavra, that the head of this monastery is the abbot of pacemp it was metropolitan volodymyr and now metropolitan onuphrism metropolitan pavlo there is no mention of him simply being the deputy abbot, yes , he is the manager of affairs, as they say on behalf of the abbot, that is, i have also said about it several times that the responsibility should carry the leadership of the lavra, vladyka pavlo is not the head of a religious organization, the monastery of the ukrainian orthodox church of the holy dormition, the kiev-pechersk lavra, the head is the responsible person, the head of the ukrainian orthodox church , metropolitan onufri berezovsky, on his

behalf, everything it was acted by bishop paul er this is the situation because how to convey it to the society and who should talk about it is too difficult, that is, er, if there are any er events that he carries out or actions that he carries out the authority that paul is responsible for these actions is also responsible for his immediate leader, bishop metropolitan onufriy, i wonder what you think about the faithful who are supported by unfortunately, metropolitan pavlo and the moscow patriarchate are now under some psychological influence, or how do you explain it to yourself? well, this psychological the influence was formed for 30 years and we just got rid of it, i also draw an analogy, we only got rid of the communist party in the verkhovna rada 10 years ago, so what

are we talking about uncontrolled social a society that has come under the influence of the relevant religious figures, you understand, there is really a question here, because before the tomos it was possible to agree with the opinion that a large part of the believers of the uoc mp she really considers the kyiv patriarchate not a canonical church and does not see its connections from world orthodoxy and is simply afraid of the fact that she is in such a church that does not have such a connection. well , they simply cannot be saved by simply speaking as a christian. the patriarch is already recognized several orthodox churches, that is, there should be no such fear. and it turns out that the issue is not in this, not in the sacraments, but precisely in connection with this church, as with the institution

. structure and other structures, we should not forget about them, let someone sound perhaps somewhat banal from my mouth, but as a person who is in a church organization that does not consist exclusively of spiritual, but also has certain political and economic dependencies and not we must forget that the church of the moscow patriarchate has always been one of the pillars of the main pillar located in moscow, on which patriarch kirill sits today. that is, it is the sphere of political influence from this side, and this sphere of political influence we are today we are talking about the fact that the war did not start in the 14th year, the war started a long time ago, and they knew that it had to happen, that is, the preparations were already

underway earlier and for the ideological influence on the minds of people it was formed like this the opinion, uh, since the 90s. how do you see what should be done now with the representatives of the moscow patriarchate? they actually occupied lavruk or pecherska, to which they no longer have the right to a single term of the lease , they are required by law to leave this territory, but they are not leaving what to do with them? if, conditionally speaking, i came to occupy the lavra, well, i was probably kicked out of there by the law enforcement officers, the police would come and say you have no right to be here and kicked them out. and what to do with them is, again, a difficult question. er, again it is not the story of the day er, i think that hmm, the state leadership should

talk, er, seriously talk with the leadership of the lavra, we just said that he is the head of er, the monastery in question , which is currently held in the uoc mp is metropolitan onufrii i believe that it is necessary for him to bear responsibility for what is happening, you should not be afraid of some kind of wide conflict around the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate if all these provocations still reach some kind of result, we see that the leaders mp ops are seeking such a big conflict. yes, of course, this is one of the aspects of the hybrid war that the russian federation is waging against ukraine through the use of church structures in ukraine

. -e relevant services that should keep this issue under control and eh in the relevant eh how to react and localize the commission conducted a survey and now 78% of ukrainians believe that it is necessary to intervene in the activities of the moscow patriarchate and 54% are in favor of their in general, what do you think is the right way to provide people with this and that kind of information, to do proper propaganda, well, again, we need to work with our leadership , er, i will repeat it again for 30 years. eh conversations, and that is why it is possible that paul, who, with impunity until now, has spoken about non-canonicality and all those violations of our

civil and religious rights that we have, they sounded, and no one, as they say, will dispute them and will not i sneered, i understand that on today by the way, i talked about it