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victory is the only news on the air of the tv channel we are ukraine good night to everyone who just joined , i will remind you that in the studio the world sailed to bohdan mashay and her studio valentin glykh, political analyst of the central united ukraine, mr. valentin, good night, good night , you understand, it will be interesting, so if they are sleeping , i recommend you not to go to bed, because you are athletic, wake up, then you will definitely wake up for at least the next hour it is interesting to listen to. it is clear that the key events for our history with you are currently taking place at the front and all our attention is there, but what happened the day before in the capital. i personally consider the metropolitan of the uoc mp pavlu to be important and decisive for our history as well.

put on an electronic bracelet , although not on the first try, the clergyman complained about the policeman's health and even showed his allegedly sick legs. refuse this, change the law, please, take what is wrong with you. may take off today 20 please hang on your conscience they conducted a search of the premises where pavlo lived found icons paintings and statuettes decorated with stones and metals similar to silver and gold among the finds an unknown thing with the russian coat of arms also the sbu published the intercepted conversations of the metropolitan on the recordings you can hear how he rejoices in the temporary occupation kherson and says that it was kyiv that provoked moscow to large-scale

hostilities, you understand, uh, you won't give it up, because even today, even with the forces behind you kherson preach the good news, there is already a flag and russian everywhere and everything and here the people are satisfied, the people are already satisfied, let's start with a lyrical retreat. where do these people who are presented without the world as saints as guides of god's will have such a craving for such vile things material things like watches of famous swiss brands, scarves for uah 20,000, and so on, i think there were also shoes, maybe rapiano. no, it was not a mercedes. well, first of all, he is a monk, that is, one should not forget that he is

a monk. well, i understand that this monk the statute didn't really bother him, that's why nothing discredits the church, nothing discredits orthodoxy more than such pastors , that's why, to be honest, i'm not surprised because well, it's not something exceptional, you understand. if you all were others. and he was sharply dissining. well, i would really be surprised. well, he doesn't dissin anything in terms of his uh-uh inclination, even towards some political preferences. and the thing is that many of these uh-uh pastors use religion. well, the church exclusively as well, the way to earn well, it's simple someone works there, i don't know, as a controller in the trolley bus. well, someone there plays football. someone, i don't know. i teach at the university. and then they left and chose this path . as you can see, he achieved great success there

, but i must emphasize that he did not is unique and is a representative of the clergy, the vast majority, and different patriarchates also lead the same way of life, unfortunately, there is also such a concept as social and social service of the church, well, it is meant . yes, the church has always taken care of poor orphans. did not hear so that once somewhere someone did not take care of anyone for that, i remember another story when i was there near the lavra. if anyone remembers the hospital where they treated the sick in sleep, well , such and such a list of foot soldiers and how much effort the moscow patriarchate made to get rid of this hospitals, that's all you need to know, just the social service of the church, that's why well, let's put it this way, the complaint against him is not that he has such watches, it's a question of underdogs , that is, many people have scarves, that is, many people have watches that are on mercedes, thank god

there are also well-founded questions about the suspicion that he has committed a very specific crime stipulated by a certain article of the criminal code, so the security service of ukraine actually took appropriate actions against him . because he incited inter-religious enmity, because we have already seen these statements, how they will be qualified by special learned people, this is the subject of another conversation, and i draw your attention to the fact that in no at the moment, we cannot talk about the fact that this story is about the alleged restriction of the rights and freedoms of believers or citizens of ukraine, that it is an attack on freedom of conscience, that it is the persecution of a certain religious denomination - no , this applies exclusively to the fact that some people

use church rank or this there are plenty of priests in order to act against ukraine, to commit crimes, to act in the interests of the country, well, not even the aggressor, this is already the occupying country, and they think that they can get away with it, no, they can’t get away with it, so the security service of ukraine is absolutely adequate here, absolutely within the existing limits authority performs its direct functions and the fact that for many years they turned a blind eye to this well , this is a question. now it became clear who the swans are. they have never been. but this was always the case. it was really a center of accounts of ukrainian propaganda, and not of any kind. you know, discreet or skeptical. skeptical. absolutely hostile. absolutely

targeted. absolutely not hidden. and why? then they closed their eyes to it, they closed their eyes. well, in principle, i also guess. i have already said several times who does not understand why you can turn on the recording of the broadcast of the celebration of christmas or easter. you can turn on the recording of the broadcast of the celebration of christmas or easter . it is possible. the nobility sat there with these moscow priests. it is clear that they felt inviolable, but - and the reaction of the western media , what will be the reaction of international organizations , will they not perceive it as discrimination no yes, they can accept anything for anything, they do not perceive the actions of the russian federation in ukraine he had genocide, they are amnesty international, yes, for some strange reason, i see crimes only on the part of ukraine, and because they are allowed into ukraine, but they are not allowed into russia. well , that's why they are here, we watch. there, we can't watch, this is a reminder of anecdotes about that a man is standing and looking for something near the streetlight , a policeman approaches. he asks what you are doing here , he says he is looking for $100. and where do you say how did you lose it? he says in the entrance, yes, why are you looking for them here, it says it's dark, here it 's light. well, this is an action. oh, that's the action itself. it was

a special monitoring site of the osce. at the moment, the position of the international committee of the red cross is the same. they don't let me go there in the dark, so let's search where there is light. i'm more interested in whether they can express certain reservations. yes, they can and most likely will, but our task is simply to provide them with relevant information. in order to clear away those false and delusional interpretations that will try to impose on them, well, those who , er, wanted elements that act in the interests of ukraine to continue to feel absolutely free, absolutely comfortable, absolutely impunity in this aspect , the enemy is rash, so there is nothing strange in this, nothing expected, and this is more of a test even for these international institutions, well , do they really want to find out? the position and

then the entire facts will essentially try to put under their own some general narratives, they are inclined to think that there is nothing catastrophic, nothing extraordinary on the part of international institutions in the context of these cases there will be no righteous forces. the moscow patriarchate did not bother the grandmother to think about the public opinion, how important it is, because russia will definitely use it as an excuse to show that in russia, in ukraine, there is the following story , religious persecution, and so on. well, we will use it like that in general there is no need to do anything in order for russia to invent something and use it , well, that is, even if we would it can be used, but it will be when it is public, because their public will definitely be told now that there

are satanists and all these horrors. well , that’s not the point. are there sympathizers in ukraine? well, they have sympathizers. well, don’t they like it? yes, they do. i don't like it, but i emphasize that according to the constitution of ukraine, everyone is equal before the law, including the beasts of the moscow patriarchate, that is, if they commit actions that fall under the signs of a criminal offense , then they are the same as you, me, believers, non- believers, buddhists, these monks and ancient sex, they can be prosecuted on general grounds, so if someone thinks that if he belongs to a certain denomination, now he can do whatever he wants . to the policeman why are you stopping me and who are you, only the lord can judge me, well, listen to them, it is necessary to really return to the earth god, caesar of caesars, and all nakedness, especially for the parishioners

of the moscow patriarchate, and also ego klyre i remind you of one of the postulates of the church: all power is from god, in particular, ukrainian power is also from god, and if war is in your opinion, it is the result of some sins, and that we really deserved it. lavras, this is also god's test that you also deserve it, so that perhaps it is for some sins that your lord is punishing, so you should atone for your guilt now, do not cling to all this, do not arrange this performance. and really , on the way of prayer, go somewhere to rest and there finally return to truly monastic way of life to the ideals of monasticism, overcome pride and practice humility, and then it is possible that the lord will really make you

return to the lavra . by the way, the priest and monks do not want to leave the lavra. million-dollar business well, not just a million-dollar business, i think that a multimillion-dollar business is one moment, and besides, well, you know this is my irony, of course, it can be a little excessive, but it was necessary to establish that even if there are people who actually believe well, it is clear that the lavra is one of the main shrines of orthodoxy. well, that is, it is like playing football there for real madrid . well, that is, it is pride. do you want to? well, it is easy for someone to collect , for someone, it is flattering to play for real madrid , for someone, it is flattering to be, er, a belly in kiev -pechersk lavra that is, it is a top religious institution, i don't know, if you can say so. and it really affects. that is, you can reanimate as much as you want. well, but this is a place that is sacred in their coordinate system. well,

it is clear that the opportunity to be involved in of this sacredness. well, it weighs, i patrol, a hint for those who believe in it, and for those who do not believe in it . the consequences will be the conclusion of the president , convinced that he will be brought to the logical conclusion of the return of the lavra to the use of the government and how they will dispose of it, well, in your case, it was returned to the national historical and cultural reserve, but not i rule out that some other denominations can convey and i think that soon we will see the same mercedes, the same luvish tones , only on other characters. well , actually speaking, this will be the best confirmation in this thesis of mine, well, about the fact that there are different denominations , but they all consist of people, and man is weak by nature, and they all love

that when they drive in a mercedes, the back of this seat is warm on valentine's day, and that you can't fight it in any way, fight it, it's a religious organization, it's a kind of public organizations, we can't force monks to be monks, well, that's their business, they have this monastic monastic order , well, that is, it has been worked out for centuries, you understand . that is, it's not so simple, and this is the article of the constitution that says that the state cannot interfere in the affairs of the church that is, it is precisely an imitation in mind that the state cannot intervene in the virus story, that is, the state cannot determine how to pray, how to correctly fold the fingers when making the sign of the cross, and similar things, well, this is their internal church history , but the state creates a legal field that is equal for everyone, because if they didn't get baptized there, if they didn't have fun there with the choristers, well, if pip decides to marry a chorister

, then unfortunately or fortunately, it 's impossible because in ukraine there is no law on the marriage of persons of the same article, that is, they won't be able to do that well, i'm joking, of course but nevertheless, that is, it's not so important, it will still be important for you later, like what is happening now that the representatives of the moscow patriarchate are evicting from, in fact, it is quite important because, as i already said, it is one of the orthodox saint orthodoxy, if i'm not being ironic here, is a part of our culture, which played a huge role in the history of ukraine. i don't even want to say positive or negative, we can interpret it differently, but none the less, that is , it is one of the integral components of our culture. a historical and cultural reserve that has a huge secular value. well, just historical and cultural and sacred value , so it was very sad to watch how

this mission essentially became a place where almost all the anti openly anti-ukrainian, and people, er, they abused, they abused by and large trust, well, that is, people came to god, they sought god. well, i don't want to say that they are all there, you know, some kind of bad people or funny people. they came looking for god, they looked there , i don't know salvation, help, some kind of consolation, advice, but instead they found uh, well, absolutely political slogans and some, well, political to the core programs, that 's why well, the problem is that i would really like so that we have turned this page and it is already a question for this organization how they see their future in the future of ukraine, that is, they generally see themselves here. well, if they want to continue to be the leader of

putin's russia, this will not happen in ukraine, that is, this the story is over, that is, they have to understand that the ukrainian state is all power from god archimandrite abraham he moved to the orthodox church of ukraine and epiphanius made the former representative of the ukrainian orthodox church a governor to a governor i am throwing laurels, which part of the church brotherhood will follow his example, well, you know, the saying was when we transfer these transmissions and is ancient for many, yes, it is still relevant and for many, well, a certain part will follow once upon a time henry iv was such a king of france who fought all his life these were religious wars catholics against protestants there are huguenots. but when he had the opportunity to become the king of france, but he had to convert to catholicism, he said without any problems and said the famous phrase paris stands and the poor, if

you think that a king is for a king, paris stands obednye and mercedes are not worth the transition from one denomination to another. well, i tend to think that elementary they will do it, because the entire clergy of the moscow patriarchate is now everyone is thinking about their future, what will happen to them next, where will they go next, they are not going to settle down now uh, well, to the factory, roughly speaking, yes, there is, uh, the darnytskyi carriage construction plant, no, he is used to telling some sacred things , so now he needs to look for somewhere, come, and preferably take some administrative position in the new hierarchy. it is clear that before the epiphany, it also opens up huge prospects . i can now imagine what will be written in the comments. well, nevertheless, i said one of my friends, god loves the truth , that is, who drives which cars. i know many years ago. well, let's run over everyone else, there is nothing like it here, paris 100 hryvnias and the poor, believe me, eh, laurel, eh, and come and administrative positions, they are really worth

using the saying of another famous chinese emperor, it is better for me to betray the whole world than for the whole world to betray me and if you want to write some angry comment suddenly, at the end of this story, let me sing, i want to say that i will take the courage from everyone present in the studio to say that we will all have the same respect for all religions and the right of people to profess those ideals, including religious which they choose for themselves, except for those who are suspected of cooperation with the occupiers, of course, and even more so of breaking the law, and i don't know why . just in case, i said it again. by the way , in this case, according to your opinion, i have a choice here behind the laurel there is already suspicion of pavlo lebidyu and he claims that this is political persecution , that is, we have a property collection, a criminal

case against a natural person, and as pavlo claims, he sees some signs of political persecution here, what kind of balance do you see here between politics and jurisprudence no yes uh, the name in ukraine is a classic in our country, like when noble ponies were once taken. for one place , whining always begins about the fact that it is politically motivated, and i always say a very simple thing about this. we have very they often like to talk about political will or something else, it is necessary to understand that in reality there may be the presence or absence of legal grounds, that is, relatively speaking, all the facts that incriminate mr. lebediv today , they took place, well, that is, the fact that before these facts turned a blind eye it wasn't political circumstances that didn't give way to the legal component, well, today maybe the name has changed, but the question for him is not to be asked about

political persecution, he should be asked the question to himself is what i am being accused of. now he can now open the criminal code of ukraine, he can even present him with hats, he promised, gave him a viton, and he can also present him with a scientific and practical commentary on the criminal code of ukraine, let him read whether what he did corresponds to the defined crime in accordance with the articles, whether he is not answered by the lawyers, they will explain it to him, and the second point has also been discussed with you several times by a lot of e-e ministry, what is it called there now of culture there are informational policy legal grounds for terminating the lease agreement if they believe that they did not have one they go to court, well they did by the way they went to court with this and secured it with a lawsuit yes there so that they take a protective measure yes that was taken well, the court refused to do that in the context, one should not try to explain everything with political

components. that is, it is very tempting, of course, but i am afraid that it is not because there is an element of crime or there is no glass of crime , moreover, let me remind you that actually as a result of these security measures, which security services security of ukraine carried out what they called there counter-subversive counter-terrorist measures, it was violated, if i don't betray 61, well, a criminal case, well, implementation, and it seems to me that there are already six or seven of these court verdicts, that is, the guilt of these characters has been proven in a court of law and some of them were exchanged by the russians as combatants, well, it just seems to me that this is the best confirmation of that . it is very strange if they said or you know that this is political, well, political persecution, they should continue to be correctors , they should continue to incite, well, international

enmity, they should continue to incite inter-religious enmity, they incite inter -religious enmity , i speak with all responsibility, because this is hates the oven was fully present in their rhetoric, well, that is , it is from christian love, and you know how , and even uh, it didn't even blow a little, well, in such people, in their behavior, but i will repeat myself we can look at this situation through the eyes of the middle of the systems, this is history, we can look at this situation through the eyes of a purely legal one, there is simply a subject, well, this subject created certain actions, well , these actions fall under the signs of a certain offense, well, he is brought to justice, and then all this moves in accordance with the current legislation and the fact that the rhetoric about political persecution was inevitable in this story well, it is quite obvious, but if a person is a politician, this does not mean that he cannot be brought to

administrative responsibility or to criminal responsibility raped political persecution killed political persecution stole so is this political persecution in general or in ukraine corruption is something that happens exclusively with your political opponents p valentin and regarding the premises of the lavra, will it be possible or will it be possible to free them at all and not by creating pictures what is beneficial for russian television to listen to? yes, i am the opposite. there is no problem , why are we so accepting of not creating pictures? they create themselves they have mikhalkov, you understand er and this bezrukov well, they don’t really create a picture for you as you like, well, this is our sovereign territory, that is, the legislation of ukraine applies here. let them look at their pictures, which pictures they create. religious freedoms and to what extent orthodox belief is ensured there and how many in russia in general let's compare how many

denominations are represented in ukraine and in russia and how many religious communities of different denominations are represented in ukraine and in russia, well, a lot other nuances because well, they create a picture, well, they create a picture, well, it's cool, i'll even write it down for my memory, i'll look at it later in my old age, well, that's why, well, we don't need to worry about it, especially, it's definitely better to solve all this without the need to resort to violence, and i'm inclined to think that after all , the clergy of this religious organization have enough common sense not to go to the confrontation and not to continue this confrontation because, i repeat, they are citizens of ukraine, that is, incitement to acts of mass disobedience well incitement to mass riots, well, many of them will write a lot of articles there, there is no problem because they will give full reasons for that, well, mr. lebedi also thought that he

was above the law, well, the security service of ukraine showed him that he was marrying, well, he is i think he will be quieter because he understood that he is unlikely to be a real monk on examination . the houses of these luxuries are considerable it was more comfortable, and i think that when he has the choice to retire, even to live for the rest of his days in these conditions of luxurious palaces, it is much more promising than to end up behind bars and then he can still be exchanged, he will go to serve somewhere in arkhangelsk region. i think that this is not what he wants. next, let's talk about the savior, but not the most high, our supreme, but the savior to whom vladimir putin prays. china can probably change

the course of the war in ukraine, because it is he who has close relations with russia, this is reported by xi'an with reference to an anonymous high-ranking official and the lyceum palace, according to him, china can influence the conflict, and for both sides , in addition, the official noted that macron's upcoming visit to china will be a decisive opportunity to restore contact between the countries at the highest level level, it is known that the planned meetings of the french leader are aimed at finding opportunities and initiatives useful for the ukrainian people, and only then finding a way to determine a solution to end this war in in the medium-term perspective, beijing does not rule out the possibility. china's permanent representative to the european union fucun said that chinese high-ranking officials are in regular contact with their ukrainian counterparts. according to him , the parties are discussing the space for negotiations , as well as the possibility of joint efforts between china and