[000:00:00;00] that there won't be any meeting, they understand that they can run into each other if a meeting is called regarding ukraine, then the procedures have been set up. russia has to hand over the chairmanship to other delegations . what can the chairman do to harm ukraine in particular? well, for example , can he not give the word a-a shorten the duration of the speech, it is in the power of the presiding officer, the presiding officer will receive it if the delegation wants to participate in the meeting of the security council , the security council will begin, it will send a letter and this letter

will be announced for all members of the council to see security and this is put to a vote, so to speak, that is, according to the rule 37 procedure, such and such a delegation wants to participate, does anyone object or not, that is, because it is decided by the chairman, everyone decides if someone goes to vote for me and the procedure, therefore, no one can notify him, that is, is it just the majority, that is, i honestly did not see, even if in principle , what they can do, how they can harm us, both in that and in his role as the chairman of the security council, president volodymyr zelenskyi er said what russia's presidency of the united nations proves the bankruptcy of this and other similar institutions. well, first of all, do you agree with this assessment? why, because we should not look at the month

of april, but we should look at russia as the head of the security council, because it is a member of the security council of the art of understanding, if we do not strive for russia to be kicked out, we are talking about the fact that it is not there, it is not legal, we are talking about the fact that the country that committed such crimes should not be right. but what have we done? in order to her throw it away in that process, and again, i heard a strange phrase, someone said that it should be decided by the secretary general . now, finally, what is not decided at all, it is decided by the member states, which means that it must be brought up at the meeting of the general assembly. there are several chess players who could already

to deprive russia of the opportunity to participate in the meetings of the united nations today, and for this we need to work with the delegation, we need to find solutions that will be supported by the majority of the membership. and then we can talk about the fact that russia is not will not be in the security council, nor in chairing anywhere. and it will not be anywhere at all, but we did not do it, oleksandr, and what arguments do the un still need? why can't they recognize the illegitimacy of the russian federation as part of the un security council? and in general, in the un, because we have to say it we have to present these arguments, we do not present them, we propose a certain solution that supports all other countries so far as far as i know , the only thing we have done is we sent a letter to the general secret of the un that russia

is illegally occupying the place of the soviet union the secretary general most likely took this into account, but the secretary general who decides on these issues with this issue must go to the members of the united nations organization , they are the ones who decide, you understand, it is necessary to prepare textual solutions and already there is this technique, which texts and how they need to prepare a decision that other countries will be able to discuss and agree with it or not. if you are simply saying that russia is illegally there for major russia is a criminal, its own criminal group and what and what it does not have the right everyone agrees. well, yes, and what's next. in other words, we do not propose specific steps, that's what the problem is. oleksandr, according to article 24, became a member of the security council of the united nations and is responsible for maintaining international peace

and security, and now he is in the council. technical reasons but nevertheless, the state that has unleashed and is waging the most bloody and brutal war since the founding of the un as an organization presides. if this is not the ideological bankruptcy of this organization in your opinion, how do you characterize it? if we don't do anything to throw it away yes it's very bad but but we didn't do our job we of ukraine we didn't do what we should have done we should have uh not yesterday not the day before yesterday uh no not in march but immediately after the beginning of the russian invasion, it was necessary to start working with the delegation in order to find ways to exclude russia from the un, and

moreover, such proposals exist and they are discussed widely enough and specialists can -e argue er-e that will be more or less effective but but none er-e none of no one has ever tried these ways, and that is why how can we talk about the fact that the organizer is bankrupt , the organization needs reform, there are no questions here , but it will not do our job for us. must take certain specific steps , we do not take them. can we and our partners take certain specific steps in order to disrupt the russian presidency in the un? well, for example , if the security council meetings are boycotted by

the united states, great britain, france the meeting will take place under these conditions , that is, you know , there is a bad precedent in this regard. when the soviet ambassador did such and such things . korea, he left, a resolution was passed, he left, everything has already been approved, that is, if there is a quorum in the security council , that is, if not everyone will go, then simply without. without our allies, any decision can be made, then no one will go they can to express their faith, they can, let's say, lower the level of presence, that is, instead of in front, there will be some advisers or

the first saint sitting there, but to go full of complete boycott, it cannot be this, this is unrealistic, no one, it is very risky for the members, for us too by the way thank you for your time oleksandr matsuka, a ukrainian diplomat who was the head of the un security council secretariat , was with us on a live video call and he told us what the position of the chairman of the un security council, which will be held by the russian delegation for the most part during this month, is the technical and potential of using this platform to promote some of their interests or the negatives of the russians is actually quite limited, but in general, this situation proves that even if we knew this even before this , it is additional proof that the un needs serious reform, the anniversary of when the world witnessed a terrible crime and the second so-called legal rammstein discussion was held symbolically in buche, where representatives from various countries once again confirmed their support for ukraine in the investigation of crimes committed

by russia. how did the new united justice our correspondents will tell you february 2022 the road from buchi 153 bullet holes in the car from the russian military and already in a year ms. kateryna tells her story to foreign guests of the conference united furjustid buch hague she managed to get out only on the third attempt , but it was the first one she will never forget, i went to the hostomen bridge i understood that cars were already on fire there, er, i understood that it is extremely dangerous to go there with a child because there is a car parked on the side of the road and a man was next to it, considering that i am a doctor, i stopped to ask if it was possible to be useful well, actually then the shelling began as a result. shrapnel in the sternum and shattered. a child's chair was shot. fortunately, without a child , i definitely lost my child . thousands of such stories and victims were released during the year . hundreds of leaders

of other countries and organizations visited kyiv region. kyiv region is the first region . from which the defense forces drove out the enemy , which was freed from the russian occupier, after the liberation of kyiv region, we saw for the first time the true beastly face of the regime, which for decades claimed to be civilized and punished, it is important not only for the victims and for ukraine, it is important for the world that the killing of peaceful people never become the norm, that no dictator in the world in the world would think of repeating the genocide, that the word bucha meant not only tragedy but also the inevitability of punishment to the united pujasta conference with the participation

of the prosecutor general of lithuania of the republic of nide grunskien, deputy head of the eu consultative mission on reforming the civil security sector in ukraine, maura o'salivan and the fourth president of the republic of croatia, kolen and grabarka tarovic, the last u in her speech, she compared what she saw in buča with the tragedies in vopovar and srebynnica. this is contrary to international law - it is contrary to all conventions - it is contrary to all the rules of war and human dignity . there is no choice here. one of the mistakes we made in croatia is selectivity. and that's why we don't punished for a large number of crimes, in particular for rape, in general , during the year of work together with international partners, it was possible to announce suspicions of 97 russian soldiers against 35 indictments that have already been directed, this is only in one district of buchansk is being investigated all over ukraine by ukrainian law enforcement allies, as well as the prosecutor of the international criminal court. we will continue to cooperate with the prosecutor

general kostiany, the ukrainian authorities and other countries , many of which in two weeks with the assistance of my office, 40 experts from the netherlands, belgium and the czech republic will go to ukraine for a conference as well analyzed the consequences of the occupation of the buchan district and the crimes committed, the peculiarities of the investigation and prosecution of those involved in the genocide in the actions of the russian army a also about bringing to justice the highest military and political leadership of the russian federation, in fact, this became a logical continuation of the first major summit in lviv at the beginning of march, which was dubbed the legal rammstein . to be created. and all other details , such as the model, how to create it , technical features. we will be able to discuss everything with our international partners . i want aggression in the gas there with the participation of prosecutors

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count on truth and justice 25 years of trust and experience from now on in marathon the only news of tsn the week with alla mazur today at 20:00 we will talk about the events that took place the day before around the kiev-pechersk lavra and the organization that in the near future must vacate all the premises of this reserve although it does not want to do it and especially in the center of our attention were the events with the governor, or rather the former governor of the kiev-pechersk lavra , he received house arrest and will serve it in a luxurious estate where law enforcement officers came with searches and in another house behind the er place registration was also searched in the metropolitan area. that there are no elementary living conditions, they say there is no heat, light, dishes, and even nothing to sleep on, a small house and i sold them cheaper there , no one bought it, so i was crushed from there

, there was no thought. we are looking for cars together. they didn't take away the quadrangle, uh, i don't like this wire , we have to worry, oleksiy buryachenko, executive director of the international association of small communities, joins our conversation. did you expect that the events would develop so rapidly that already in the morning the metropolitan would be charged with suspicion and already in the evening we have a court decision on arrest and house arrest for two months? well, in principle, yes, it was predicted that the law enforcement agencies will still be responsible. as far as we understand, the necessary evidence base has been collected for this, and, accordingly, they brought it to the court. well, if it was there

, what people call pasha mercedes. yes , he did not try to evade the adoption of a preventive measure, but the court made the decision accordingly. which she asked to the prosecutor's office and, accordingly, house arrest under the motivation of the fact that he can really avoid punishment or influence the witnesses, which, taking into account the wealth of this person and the influence, could really be, in fact , what do you think the development of this story should be expected in the near future taking into account that the representatives of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, contrary to the requirements of the government, still have not finally left the kiev-pechersk lavra. and you know how

i feel it is very important that we we are returning the laurel to ukraine, we are returning the laurel to the people because, er, many people among the supporters of the moscow patriarchate forget the key thing, that after all, the laurels belong to the state, not to kume, to some specific church or to some denominations. well, er, everything that happens there has still be agreed with the e-e state in accordance with those e-e contracts and agreements signed accordingly . well, if these agreements are violated by the party that has already been recorded, then the corresponding decision was made to unilaterally terminate the lease contracts e then it is necessary to obey the illegal decision of the uoc mp and leave the laurel, which was not done, in fact, the state shows maximum loyalty to the maximum discretion , it is advisable not to disturb

the faithful in any case and act exclusively within the limits of the current legislation in my land absolutely we see that they are constantly saying that there will not be any coercive actions to be taken, moreover, we even see that the one who was acquired by the monks of the uoc mp has now been appointed to perform duties in the lavra that is, we can summarize that , after all, the state, solely for security reasons, is trying to suppress exclusively political influence from the russian federation through the tool of the uoc-mp, and in fact, the night of the workers is not the work of the uoc itself. that they allowed to stay in timchans

who agreed to renounce the uoc mp and leave russian influence in the lavra, that is, in principle, everything happens absolutely calmly and within the limits of the current legislation. and the fact that non-russian monks will try by all means, on and legal, he finds televsions not and er, accordingly, to block the work, including the commission of law enforcement agencies, well, it is absolutely logical on vot, and in fact, this case today, with how the people simply call pasha a mercedes, should show everyone an absolutely obvious thing, no matter what say when you work against your country when you work in the mountains of the aggressor state when you justify russian aggression on all these things now you have to do it yourself law enforcement officers in the court , including the tapes, including and

sound recordings well, that won't leave the respect of our law enforcement agencies, mr. volodymyr, some of the churchmen don't want to leave the lavra and no one will take them out of there by force. and how to do that to evict people, and after all, what needs to be done so that it doesn't happen, ah, as they say by force and why volodymyr, yes, they were also interested in this question p . oleksiyovych no well, actually, look, it’s happening step by step, step by step, for starters , violations were recorded, respectively, that occurred on the part of the uoc mp during the lease lavra, including illegal construction, including russian propaganda e-e literature, including people with russian passports who definitely should not have been there. well, then, accordingly , a decision was made public about the termination of

the lease agreement. well, and then, accordingly, the commission, including all these facts, recorded them, and right now , the inventory commission is also working, trying to work, which in the course of its work can additionally detect a number of violations, this work and the commission, accordingly, is blocked by monks at the uoc mp who do not want to comply with the legal decision and leave the lavra, by the way, the commission has already made a statement about the relevant crime to the police and , together with the police, they are still trying to do everything possible to implement the legal decision about uh, so that the uoc mp still leaves the lavra well, after all, i am deeply convinced that this is a process of dialogue. and i , too, once again, those new believers will not support the pro-russian influence on

what the uoc mp has had an influence on for many years. well, yet the monks will not fail either russian and about russian influence, and yet the executor of an illegal court decision, and those who will block well, in fact , it will be necessary to ask them logical questions, and this is not the influence of the russian federation on them, and they will be questioned by law enforcement agencies in accordance with the current legislation, but this despite the fact that the lifestyle of many representatives of the uoc mp , including pavel, who is popularly called mercedes, to put it mildly, is at odds with the commandments they preach, despite the fact that representatives of the uoc mp have been repeatedly caught on openly anti-ukrainian rhetoric, and for this there is no need to investigate the law enforcement officers there, for this it is enough to watch some interviews again of the same er lebyd in order to be convinced of this, this church still has enough

and as we have seen during the last few days of loyal, let's say, followers who , despite everything, continue to believe that the uoc-mp is actually not about politics and propaganda of the russian world for dirty money in the first place , but about god, and this suggests that probably the uoc mp, despite everything they preach and everything they have done, there is still some hope for some kind of future in ukraine. how do you see the future of this church ? does it have a chance to survive, firstly, and secondly, is there any chance for any the development or at least the preservation of the influence that it has today well, as far as i am concerned, the story of the uoc mp with their violations of the treaty of lavra is , first of all, a story about pro-russian influence on , and not in any case, any pressure on church

therefore if the ukrainian orthodox church abandons pro-russian influence on the video of the spread of pro-russian narratives of the aggressor state, if there is no such thing as why you approve of putin and justify russian aggression, then of course there is a future in this church in ukraine , but those monks who will still continue this to do this, of course, i am deeply convinced that there is no future in ukraine, because now there is a lot of vigilance not only for the ukrainian orthodox church of the mp, but also for a number of other churches. what are these monks they say, among other things, there are certain a-a, as far as we already understand operational measures, e therefore, it is necessary to very clearly divide into political influence, pro-russian influence, the influence

of russian tarativkas and the russian peace on the russian world, yes, and-y, of course, the work of monks , of course, church life, no one will be there for them to forbid doing this in the future, but oleksiyu is deeply convinced of this, and will there not be a confrontation with the intermountain people? well, first of all , let's friends, er, let's take this legal er, legal issue, that after all, most of churches, but they belong first of all to the communities, and first of all the communities have to decide, among other things, who should have which orthodox church or the ukrainian orthodox church or the orthodox church to be on the territory of their community, that's why, in fact, they have central cathedrals, but 90 there, 95%, that's all

after all, church objects that belong to the people, that's why, in fact, we saw that when they got thomas, yes, when they got autocephaly, such a significant transition to the pts, precisely from the uoc mp, now during the war, of course, this movement stopped a little, well, with ob' positive reasons because now it is not necessary to defend our country, after all, but i am deeply convinced that, in fact, this lavra scandal is not the same as the presenters of the uoc mp, and specifically, as the people call this pasha mercedes, really affects the transition throughout the country eh, after all, eh, in the places of the uoc mp, respectively, in others, specifically, in the ptu, but i’m not here with this, there is no need to rush, people should come to this absolutely carefully and deliberately, without any pressure, russian propaganda us eh

for years i was scared by the fact that any attempts even not that there is any way to influence the work of the uoc mp, but simply even to fight for the influence of this church, that is, to find , roughly speaking, even the territory will end in large-scale bloodshed, they talked about it and the same swan spoke on russian tv and so on, nevertheless, fortunately, we see that this large-scale bloodshed can be avoided, and despite the fact that it is difficult, believers still find some common language , why did these scarecrows turn out to be false , that is, i think that the russians are quite likely , taking into account the events of the last year, and themselves believed that it would end this way, but in the end it didn't happen. what do you think, why? well, first of all, the position of the state, the ministry of culture, tkachenko , directly on the side of the sbu, the

prosecutor's office, which carried out the procedural supervision because the key aspects broadcasted by the state in this matter are , after all, security issues without security first and it was clearly articulated that indeed no force will be used in any case and they will be held accountable according to the law exclusively those monks who have violated the current legislation of ukraine and there will be appropriate evidence for this, and whoever voluntarily renounces the pro-russian influence on the influence of the moscow church on and will be ready to renounce it finally will not suffer in any way. now we can see this specifically now in all the examples that are taking place . well, this is actually a balanced position of the state and it ensures that this process is as

peaceful as possible and all the provocations that are happening now will come exclusively from the monks of the ukrainian orthodox church of the russian orthodox church of the russian orthodox church. and specifically, who are the pashas of mercedes, who accuse the ukrainian people, who blame ukrainians , the ukrainian state, who justify the russian invasion, who personally insult the president of ukraine , volodymyr zelenskyi, that is, escalating actions in order to incite the faithful to stir up the people now they are going exclusively to the great regret of the bcmp itself, but we all call on the entire expert community, after all, to the fact that they have fulfilled the legal decision and left laurel because it is first of all the property of the state and the ukrainian people. they have to respect it, mr. oleksiy. we thank you for joining our conversation . continue our colleagues maksym sikora and