[000:00:00;00] on the nuclear state with the largest nuclear potential, having three times 6,000 with pennies, it means uh, charges of charges, i china has only 400, i have a program until 2035 to make 1,500 such charges, if i build it , it means, uh, a new system of international relations, absolutely what it differs from the system built in 1945 in yalta, so i need to have suitable powerful allies, so i support and this is written in the documents , i support iran’s efforts to implement its nuclear program . that north korea should be understood by the countries

that are trying to establish the dominance of their system and i want to knock out this means that we can call it an alliance and against which i would feel comfortable having appropriate allies dependent on me who have a large uh, the military potential is so igor , unfortunately i have to interrupt you thank you to the chairman of the board of the association of the ukrainian chinese strategic partner, mr. ihor lytvyn , who very successfully quoted the famous chinese mykola september and that’s enough unusual but but okay and we'll move on thank you very much to our next guest er and we'll talk about about strange things strange things that means were said by the germans about

the ukrainian gas transportation system andriy zakrevskyi, chairman of the board of the oil and gas association of ukraine, we see him i'm very proud getting to know him, now we often see each other, and now the question is, the germans told us that we can somehow help reconstruct , update, modernize the gas transportation system of ukraine, what to supply water. then there is the question is what is hydrogen, where is it abundant in ukraine, is it possible to create some capacities for the production of this hydrogen in such a quantity that europe needs and through this gas transport and finally that it works not for the russian transport of energy carriers but for the transportation of something else, and maybe in

russia this hydrogen dofiga it can beat again , we will transport russian hydrogen through our gas transportation system to europe, what kind of hydrogen is this? acquaintance and i hope that we will meet you in person, especially since there are friendly acquaintances, and here is a man mykola well, let's understand the correctly posed question what kind of hydrogen is it, where is it used , before it was used in ukraine for two things, firstly for moreover, the filter also made money at chemical plants plus kolomoiskyi, where we have a synthesis unit , hydrogen is combined with nitrogen that is in the air , and we, for example, get ammonia and ammonia

fertilizers, this is the first moment, the second moment well, there used many times that margarine, i.e., what you see here, the drains are here, where do you think this drainage topic arose and where did it arise from, and it arose from one simple fact that if we , ah, as the main energy carrier, there is a very simple question of where to get a hydrogen molecule for the chemical industry. if previously a hydrogen molecule was taken from gas, we have sn-4 gas and you can see there two hydrogen molecules, yes, that is , sn-4 or used to take it stupidly from gas and russia of course told you you need one well, let's go from there they tell them no fossil fuels not kosher we now want to give up fossil fuels we now want to take hydrogen from clean green energy or low-carbon

energy, nuclear eh energy is also so low carbon and eh do the opposite, before we broke down a complex hydrocarbon molecule, and this is only in sn-4 gas, and in some uh-e alkanes, alkenes, there are these molecules of hydrogen , an incredible amount at each gasoline end are wound up, wound up three by one hydrogen molecules in addition and so on and so on and so on and in some there they have a small circle of hydrogen in general very much so the entire auto chemical industry of the world was based on waste oil from oil imagine yes and now we are giving up oil and the question arises, where to get the molecule, the answer is very simple. we take water, clean green energy , not a lot of carbon energy from nuclear power plants and on electrolyzers, we break water into e-e acid into oxygen and hydrogen, and

then we synthesize everything that we need we need, we need ammonia, well, we need methanol, oak, they took 2 l of methanol from it, they made uh, what is the name of the methanolutuvalifin process, they made uh, next, acetylene and polypropylene, polypropylene, it's layers, uh , around, they surround, then they went to us. it can all be green. no matter where you look, in fact, who do you have this ammonia and methanol from chemical production, but the main point is that we will now take it from hydrogen, this is the first moment, the second moment, if it is introduced, that is, add hydrogen and say -

it means to be oxidized to combine with o2 of the air eh then we can also have heat energy e catalysts, there you can get electric ions immediately without burning water and have clean electricity. this is the problem of hydrogen . i was able to tell you briefly, or now the next question is that we already have a solution today for the elimination of illiteracy. mykola september , thanks to mr. andrii zakrevskyi, how much it's easy, how fast is it, well, that is, are all these technologies that you just described nuclear plants of this good? if russia withdraws, if we win a lot, we can do it.

to do in order to warm oneself in order to use this water, no, all these um, well, side opportunities on the territory of ukraine, on the territory of europe, this is all already a shot at the level of engineering, not only at the level of ideas, but at the level of the fact that yes , we need the first step - this is the second one the third - that's all we need 3 billion and 5 years in 5 years it will be in two and 10 billion well, it doesn't matter but the algorithm already exists or not and hear me now yes yes yes look, you have touched on this topic correctly if ukraine we and then we imagine as an ancient secondary state that uh -uh, everything between us and you completely converges, uh-uh, russia insists uh-huh gasgut through the ukrainian gas station, to send its gas to us at least uh-huh only uh-uh on one of the branches - it -e one of the pipes

is released e-e through the other pipes as a quality of zero transit, we reduce the number of compressor stations to the point that we can even name one of the branches of progress, we can simply use it for anything . that is, if we are an ancient state, then this is what it looks like, now it is installed , now we have an expropriation of energy, it is going quietly, we are going under the name of corporatization, and one of these things is interesting because of what now there is a war going on. for example, the zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, since we do not manage it, water does not get under this corporatization. we are now setting up separate goblin reserves in the village of zaporizhzhia

for the power plant. it was never corporatized, they come in, for example, by the halushchenka and uh , we take it, we take it, and we convert our entire zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant, we like it and the auditors and turn it into hydrogen production , then we transport it, we complete it to the branch of progress, for example, there through dnipropetrovsk 120-130 km eh and calmly as a plenipotentiary with the raw materials state eh, we sell raw materials , that is, if you are satisfied that there will be a whole handicap , we will sell monkeys and bananas, that is, that is what suits us, i would like that i wouldn't do it, of course, because if the germans can use hydrogen for chemical synthesis and sell uh, already ammonia, uh, put fertilizer and so on, and ukraine is an agrarian country, i would use hydrogen here on

the territory of ukraine, and i would just take it from the germans would technologies, these engines, which they are currently developing for their cars in the name of fuel cells, but they didn’t burn it, but now it works, it’s actually a very difficult topic from the point of view of engineering, that is, the hydrogen molecule is very small, it needs to be everywhere change rubber eyes and other gaskets, what can you say? it even passes through metal and some seeps , you understand, that is, it is a very small molecule. the ecosystem yes, that is, this way, it’s all the same to burn it, to continue the assignment p andrii, look, and then i see

criticism in your words, but then this is already an ideological, philosophical question for ukraine , this is the power, look, i’m sorry, this is between the power of charybdis, that is, on the one hand ukrainians need all of you, me, anyone to jump into the 22nd century oh right, absolutely, and on the other hand, you won't jump if you don't make friends with the germans, french, english, japanese , americans, canadians, who are definitely ahead of us and are developing and they think and science works and large scientific investments, then how to pass because i, when they tell me we have our own ukrainians they know everything , i say ukrainians 30 years ago, you just stole mr. firth, what did you mention and mrs. kolomoisky

, i say, then foreigners came after 14- they say they are bad too, so what to do, where to find the middle line or do we have to look for it? well , first of course, we have to look for it. that is, in fact, we still are not also and they are lagging behind, you understand yes, that is, the lag is constantly going, they are already producing cars with hydrogen cells and so on and so on, but it is necessary to understand one simple thing that we had, for example, at the severodonetsk institute of hydrogen, methanol and ammonia , that's all that was there panfir also uses everything that china uses in russia, and so on. in terms of chemical synthesis, it was developed by us in 1954 in north donetsk, we had 1,800 of our scientists there, you understand, i have no

words, i have no words, that is, in fact, from the point of view of synthesis ammonia eh ammonia and yes further and the like, this is what we developed; moreover, i want to tell you that there are now compact synthesis units, but in norway they are not available in china, in the united states , in germany they are not available , that is. that is, in fact, we can jump it, i’m like a person who was in the hydrogen group, uh, mentally, there are 140 people, and for which 140 people, the most active people are those who represent europe, because there is a game there , and they prove to us because the guys in in this case, if you agree to the account of the raw material appendage of europe to the forks, well, yes, mr. andriy , we will meet with you on the air more than once, and i do not mind meeting in person, but there is one problem, because i

had quite difficult operations in the winter and i still do not yes, i have to wait a little . geologist of ukraine and my colleagues and i congratulate you with those who are a huge thanks and thanks from all ukrainians from me andrii zakrevskyi , the head of the board of the oil and gas association of ukraine was in touch with us now we will go to belarus belarus we will go because what is waiting for us or we are waiting here , i need to find out with the hardware department with my colleagues

, pavlo latushka, deputy head of the united transitional cabinet of belarus , head of the people's anti-crisis administration , we have him in touch yes, good health, e p pavly, look, i congratulate you, i would like to ask, what would you tell us, because we are all too, well, not all, but many people in ukraine are worried about belarus, but they are interested in these people, are they there somewhere ? i am not asking for specifics. and how to transform belarus from an authoritarian-totalitarian society and a state led by lukashenko into a democratic european state led by an unknown person i don't know, it will be decided if it is a democracy, it will be decided at the elections, so there is

some work to be done point one point two point three, point four, we have to do yes yes yes yes yes yes yes there are at least outlines in some such well maybe not specifics but such directions sir sir please yes, of course, this is a strategy defined by a joint transition of the cabinet and we will implement this strategy, it consists in the use of the three tools of power, the first tool is the creation of internal pressure within the system - this is the most difficult task because we are the occupied territory of the territory where the totalitarian regime rules the ball when the level of repression is a-a it is unprecedented from the point of view of the history of europe for at least 50 years, and you are talking about the fact that today it is possible to organize mass street actions, mass protests, this is just a lie, it will not be true, therefore, it is possible to act only in the underground, and it operates

with partisan methods, which belarusians regularly do it may not be as often as we would like, but we should also realistically understand that daily raids are carried out in belarus in various regions of the country. yesterday it was a state district and 31 people were detained. according to the lists of the day before yesterday, it was the polotsk national museum , where i have been more than once, as if the minister of culture had detained dozens of people before that. it was in ogrodno, brezd, and pinsk, and so on and so on, that is, the rays go daily. can you imagine in what state of pressure the society is located, that is, it is now somehow demystified, but at the same time, it has not changed its attitude to the regime, and the question is when will the moment come when people will go out into the street, but for this you need to be ready, ready for a very clear system actions are not the only way out will not help to solve the problem. the second instrument of power is the creation of the belarusian army abroad, and here is a question for our partners

. if there is political will in our neighbors, ukraine , for example, in poland, what other country would i give political consent to today ? let it be indirect in order to form those military units to some extent. this is being implemented today in ukraine, and in the country, because there are belarusian volunteers who are fighting, they are fighting in the units of the armed forces of ukraine, but together with dark, they very clearly articulate that their goal is to free ukraine . the force is international pressure and here , unfortunately, the inconsistency of the policy of our western partners, in the face of which sanctions are not imposed on lukashenko for 200 months under the pretense that they are afraid

to provoke him to a more severe negative actions in the relations of ukraine, in my opinion, are absolutely wrong. lukashenko will not do anything today on earth with conventional weapons or the army against ukraine, but at the same time he becomes unattainable from the point of sanction, and this is a wrong approach to the issue of criminal responsibility when they always talk about putin's responsibility, but at the same time they don't talk about lukashenko. i'm sure that the majority of ukrainians believe that lukashenko is as responsible for the unleashed war against ukraine as putin's regime is putin himself is therefore also an important instrument of pressure. so the three forces. well, of course, the questions of national reflection are the belarusian language and the belarusian culture. society and will be the driving force, there are always active people

, there are observers, there are people, antagonists , antagonists - this is me - the parents of lukashenko who support him, but they will not fight for him, they will not go to fight for him. but the active part of the society is what needs to be supported and needs to be helped and developed . well, frankly, i will tell you that the problem here is definitely resource-intensive because it all requires responsible support . unfortunately while the belarusian business stands aside from this, while the belarusian business does not get involved in these processes for fear of becoming self- sufficient. что три инструмент well, now i want to ask you enough, this is such a rather exotic idea. well, we must give credit to mr. lukashenko . he very often comes up with exotic ideas that simply surprise the whole world, and today it is

really so. where is lukashenko's proposal regarding poland to hand you over in exchange on a political prisoner, what is it anyway, this is it already then, you know, hostages are taken officially , it's not just like that anymore, well, we're here, we're not there , he stole, he, he's a criminal, we put him in prison for one thing, another, and here just like that they arrested this pole and the person says we have your pole , if you will give us our belarusian, then let us give you a pole . well, not even putin, and this is such an exotic of world history. i would say, mr. pavlo, can you comment on something because your last name sounds the truth is that on friday, lukashenko announced to the whole world that he has hostages and

he wants these hostages to be exchanged for citizens of belarus. this is a violation of all norms of international law. but what are we talking about? what international law? when we talk about the surnames of lukashenko here are two concepts and they are not compatible, and he is ready to carry out the exchange, including in relation to me, he said that in addition, he needed members of the team that i initiated, created in october 2020 of the people's antifreeze administration, we reacted to this public lukashenko's statement and , in fact, the 14 men who are members of the people's anti-crisis committees voted unanimously that we are ready to go to the exchange, but we have our conditions, our conditions are the release of all belarusian political prisoners lukashenko threw down this gauntlet in public. we expressed our position very clearly. lukashenko certainly

cannot forgive the fact that i, as a minister , went to the side of the people . he considers this to be a personal insult and humiliation. eh, and threats , eh, and murder, physical violence, and abduction continue permanently after his statement , literally 20 minutes later, the corresponding publications appeared on his a-a telegram propaganda channels, the film как меня was published poland extradites and takes out to the territory of belarus photos appeared in the trunk of the car, and so on, that's all fake insinuations that are going on, we don't change our approach, they want to demotivate us for 18 years of prison positions, i will fight against this regime for the freedom and democracy of belarus and i will not back down from this

, mr. pavlo, look at this. we watched lukashenko's address to someone to some people. we saw a large hall. it was called an address to the parliament or to the people. but we understand that it is enough , or maybe i am pretending to be wishful thinking. maybe i want to think of some kind of exaltation, even such as was the case during the 26th congress of the cpsu when brezhnev came to the podium there were somehow more smiles, more positive emotions in the hall, and when i watched lukashenko's speech

, i'm right, there is discomfort in the belarusian elites. these people, whose things i do not understand in belarus, well, yes and no, i will say yes, first of all, speaking about me, lukashenko sends a signal to all his officials, he wants to create a threat, a threat that will happen to you if you go against me , this is the maximum possible sentence today eh, so that a person can be protected, so that he will seek his exchange. will be subject to the death penalty a-a according to our information from the operational-analytical center of the luke administration, as he recently prepared a memo analyzing

the psychological state of the official in the hall, here you are right, and this is what the memo showed next, that more and more, there is no understanding of the officials, or an understanding of the most likely the fact that lukashenko is leading everything to a dead end , his strategy is aimed at a complete disaster, and he broke all relations with the european union in the civilized world, he defines a new development vector of belarus this is eurosianism tied to the russian world, this is the entry of belarus into the so-called evil, which includes russia , iran. unfortunately, my native belarus, north korea , is only a question of china, but it is related to the new vector development of the state, and the majority understands that there is no iran, no zimbabwe . where did he go? compensates for these economic losses that belarus bears due to the sanctions because of the crime and the refusal to cooperate with the european union as a whole, and that is why the mood

, so to speak, of the second bloc is declining - this the economic bloc the economic bloc there are several technocrats, the head of the national bank, kalaur, deputy head of the lukashenko administration, yermoloch, the former finance minister, whom i know well . they will be in this situation, and they sweated a lot during lukashenko's speech . you could see how hot they were from their inner emotions, worried about what awaits them in the future. country well, they are waiting for them personally, including how the people who will be put against the wall in the end, well, i say conditionally, they will be put in prison or write off all the shortcomings of lukashenko's strategy, therefore there is demotivation in the operation, there is criticism of lukashenko, but this does not mean absolutely here , immediately, i'm going to put the hell out of who you will remove him from office. there are no such brave people

in lukashenko's environment. unfortunately, there is no last question. we have literally one minute, mr. pavla. and why don't they run away then? well, not to drop it. but we don't hear. maybe it is. maybe they are. they are quietly doing it through lithuania, through poland, through ukraine, in the end, western ukraine is free from er, from the russians, here you can go to lviv to lutsk, and why aren't the bureaucrats fleeing to europe from belarus or maybe, maybe they are fleeing , please yes, the command of the people's anti-chair of the administration очень много he works with former civil servants from various ministries. and therefore, by the way, he gives this message to the people of the antifreeze management team that i represent. as for the officials and what is happening now in belarus, if the official is he will turn his back on lukashenko, first of all, he can remove it, but he will not be able to bring it in. they went after families, that is, they begin to persecute

family members, call for detention, put them in prison, and that is why i even remember yarmolovich, the former minister of finance, whom i know well now, the deputy head of lukashenko's administration. london was vulgar. i always wondered why he stayed in london for me, because a smart man is smarter than he understands. i can only assume one thing, most likely his family stays белоруссии и он за это боится с другие строных this person is sorry we have news excuse me pavlo latushka deputy head of the united transitional cabinet of belarus head of the people's anti-crisis administration thank you very much i'm sorry for cutting off like that well why did they cut off and obviously why did they cut off because who wouldn't want to to speak. anna will speak anyway. anna is in omelnik because people do not know the news in ukraine and only she can speak qualitatively about the news, and i have your