[000:00:00;00] and they are not attached to china today china is attached as an ally of russia, that is, the one who helps russia how is the leader of the authoritarian world that is, this is already an ideological confrontation and actually speaking, these are the positions that differentiate the paratroopers and trump in matters of ukraine in the case of the paratroopers they are softer for a neutral voter and a loyal supporter of ukraine. well, trump radicalizes everything he touches, that is, he has maximum absolutism in everything, i am ready to invest anything, and by the way, this is a problem in the sense that he is already an experienced politician who does not to change, but the politician who has business roots and business roots is a matter of negotiations and agreements, a quick solution to what uh, we always look into the perspective of five ten years, do not always look into the perspective of positioning in the united states

without the united states is more from an ideological point of view, they are positioned in the world as the leader of the democratic world, and the leader of the democratic world cannot afford to enter into an agreement in which to give up uh , well, or to induce the injured party to give up the territory for the sake of certain security, because you you will turn away not only ukraine, but also those other allies to whom you are somehow trying to appeal and turn them to your own advantage, and the republicans and paratroopers understand this - that's just the way it is . and youth and plus an understanding of the fact that the united states is, let's say , not only a country in itself, it is a country that largely determines the geopolitical map , but sociology says that the country does not always correspond to the preferences of the voters life, andrei, give it now, since you have already started speaking for china

. let's talk about china, but already from the european point of view , this large-scale, powerful european landing force that is being sent , has been sent and will be sent, because from the fifth to the seventh president macron, enough sineppein is going like this a powerful european landing party, will it be able to somehow influence and or or maybe it already somehow influences the position of the soviet union regarding the support of russia in an aggressive war against ukraine. i am asking because today the russian ambassador to in belarus, gryzlov said that russia plans to place its nuclear weapons directly near the european border with poland. their sources claimed that sit down and tell putin no no no don't place your nuclear weapons in belarus

because one of the points in our peace plan just says that you can't place nuclear weapons because it's can lead to a large-scale, very nuclear conflict. well, please tell me that this european paratrooper who traveled, is going, and will go to china, can he change anything now ? not because it is not important. yes, because well, we will just dive right now and eliminate the question of why and who is leaving europe, which means that europeans are aware of the fact that, in fact, the force of the war factor unleashed by putin on the territory of ukraine, after carrying out an unprovoked aggression and

the attempt to occupy part of our territory actually takes place, well, the consolidation of the north atlantic alliance took place, the consolidation is connected, among other things, with the militarization of the economy, the strengthening of the role of the united states as the headliner, the strengthening in general and the need to change its internal policy, which was previously based, as mr. burel once noted, on cheap labor from china and actually cheap energy resources with the russian federation, but they are equally conscious of the fact that strategically for the united states, on which it is based the military capabilities of the north atlantic alliance, as of today, the enemy is not russia, but directly china and the united states, well, again, directly their distance and actual military e-e ranks indicate that it is necessary to prepare for a confrontation with china, first of all, in this confrontation, well, with given the fact that the united states is helping europe today in its efforts to help ukraine, the united states will want the same help in the confrontation with china, and

europe does not particularly want it. well, i emphasize so mildly, she does not particularly want to be involved in the economic and military clarification of relations between china and the united states, well , directly as opponents or geopolitical centers, therefore iduchym or scholz or ursula fonderland is it permissible already now macron yes as a third such well although also sanchez was er last week as well yes they are trying to build economic relations with the people's republic of china aware of the risk of the possible need to apply sanctions in the event that china becomes more active in supporting russia in its war on the territory of ukraine, that is, realizing that they cannot sacrifice their economy with a trade balance where there was a trade balance or a trade balance between china and the eu, conditionally plus or minus 0, even if one trillion dollars is a lot, it is a lot

. europe depends on issues, let's say not only semiconductors yes, but rare earth metals, solar panels, wind turbines, completely from suppliers from china, today we see that the french are actually taking a step towards china in its aspirations, eh, where is additionalization, yes, or the unification of the international trade, concluding contracts for the supply of lng, or liquefied natural gas from china, precisely in yuan for calculations, that is, europe, europe values ​​the economic relationship with china, and they do not want this economic relationship to suffer in the event that materials or ghosts for the introduction of sanctions against to china will be provided directly by china itself and plus this will be presented as an element of security by the united states, respectively, in what does our profile mean our ukrainian interest in this issue

ukrainian interest in this in this issue lies in the following: europe as a locomotive of trade yes, it maintains and values ​​trade and economic relations with china, and china also values ​​europe, it receives china from possible active cooperation with putin in issues that are critical for his economy , in addition to energy resources, issues in the field of military of the industrial complex, i.e. , the supply of weapons, the supply of semiconductors, which the russian military-industrial complex lacks in order to overcome the technological backwardness and technological hunger that exists in them, and this factor is an economic factor, it is on today is by and large decisive for china itself, because china is not particularly interested in russia achieving its goals as quickly and as intensively as possible, as they believe, and what they are doing there. yes, china is not so interested in ukraine falling to russia.

at the same time at the same time china well, it will not not react or let's say stay away from those sanctioning mechanisms that are applied to its company well by the regulators in the usa or is it permissible to limit its opportunities there in shipping or the use of his company in the development of information technologies. and this is this balance, this is the balance in which europe is trying to keep china from more intensively supporting putin, not only in a political sense, in a public sense, because the visit is a publicly political gesture, yes, and a direct practical one for us with you as a country that is actually a polemic, and where there is fighting, the practical sense is somewhat more important than the political and ritual. and the practical sense is to keep china from direct cooperation in matters that regarding the supply of weapons. well, i understood what you said, that this landing party can do it. well

, they. how do they tie each other up? yes , shultz - but half a minute ago, due to lack of time, something arrived from contract for, let's say, the bass corporation, which will build a factory in china for 20 billion us, well, it's a connection, an lng connection is a connection, that is, trade and economic ties, they stitch together economies, and let's say what the step is. well, let's say what can come out and to break this connection yes, he causes damages, damages, none economy no country can set for itself and they want to embark on this process with its further development, while the economy of europe emerges from a potential recession of inflation and so on it develops, it becomes a market for the sale of goods and accordingly, the chinese economy grows and the next step in this diplomacy may be under pressure or a desire not to pressure the apparatus or, well, let's say influence on the russian federation. in the part that it is time to end the war, yes, and end it, and well

, immediately, or sooner rather than later, it was so as you say, every ukrainian wants this very much, we really hope that it will happen so quickly, mr. andrii, i thank you very, very much for your professional comments, for your professional answers to my questions, now an explanation of what is often not clear to me and often to our viewers. it was andriy grynskyi, a political expert, talked about the united states of america, their attitude towards ukraine now and in the future, and about europe, which is currently traveling en masse, is going and will go from the fifth to the seventh , the president of france to china for that to talk all over the phone, in particular, about supporting russia, to convince not to do this, well, before i introduce my next guest, i will look on youtube, on youtube, we are watched by everyone on a separate channel, 695 people are few, but i thank you all very much. and the intermediate ones

the results of the question whether donald trump will be detained in court if he appears there on tuesday , how did he say this about it, 38% think so, no, 58% think so, your option 4% continue to vote at the end of the program, i will match it already, the final results of the vote well, what so am i now i would like to introduce my next guest, whom i am always glad to see in the program yevhen magda - director of the institute of world politics mr. yevhen i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes mr. yury good day mr. yevhen in short how would you answer the question if trump is detained on tuesday well if he is detained his chances of the 24th presidential campaign will grow but i think it won't happen well i won't now pretend that i am so well aware of the current schedule inside

new york where the hearing will take place and there who is there and i remember who heads the police department today, but the fact that these are things related to the presidential company , including those that will demonstrate an influence on the course of the company, is obvious to me . yevhen dmytro kuleba minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in an interview in the newspaper faynen shol tazi, now i ask the director to show us this graphic, he said, in particular, that the supporters of a peaceful settlement are everywhere, in berlin, in paris, in london, they will try to do something creative in the spirit of minsk-3 and the argument about escalation is an excuse, not an argument, mr. yevhen

, if the minister of foreign affairs in an interview with the financial times makes such a statement, is minsk 3 really a threat? the threat to us is obvious. the minister of foreign affairs has more information than mine and he knows more and feels more or i constantly communicate with my colleagues. i know that dialogue and the desire to hear the interlocutor is an element of western there is no political culture, there is nothing strange about it, and i see elements of sounding this, well, let’s say when orban announced about the eu peacekeepers, it’s not for nothing, this element of soil sounding on the part of russia is exactly the same , and russia is now interested in starting these peace talks hypothetically on today's moment as soon as possible under completely humanistic appeals let 's stop the war as soon as possible let's stop the bloodshed as soon as possible let's let's let's do it all

right but it remains in the shadows and we at we will retain control over twenty percent of the ukrainian occupied territory, we will restore our army at a faster pace, and we are not going to forgive anyone, because in the concept of russia's foreign policy there is a phrase about russia's special interests in the ukrainian direction, this is practically verbatim , i am here to do the same , there are absolutely no other options, because in ukraine, the support of the armed forces and the belief of victory in victory is more than 90%. have more than 90% support, people who will

to propose peace talks, well, here the question is this question, and your opinion has its own logic, because business with the usual with russia is now put on hold by many, but as a matter of principle, she refused it. far from all of us will be frank about it, we must talk about it. we thought a year ago that the sanctions, the exit of many companies, it will affect the russian economy, the situation with the russian population , but it turned out that they live according to the principle of living well, they did not live for nothing, and they start and what happened well, there are a big four of auditors, well, that you know, for international business , well, someone else did very well there, but well, let's be honest, those who produce consumer goods and food products. they did not succeed in their mass, but they did not succeed, the truth is, they stayed because the market is under 150 million and, well, what a is for purchase

ability, and it is very difficult for us to criticize because our market is much smaller, we can, but we are in this situation , we have to speak today and speak concretely today that we understand that the restoration of ukraine will cost hundreds of billions of dollars or euros, that all of this is necessary to invest money and accordingly, we have to work with it and we have to interact with it, but, uh, well, one conference a year on recovery well, no, no, no, not one, but lugano had the most representative one, then there were other local ones, actually there is already a competition for the right to participate in the restoration of ukraine and every country that has neighborly relations with us or simply has warm

relations . one day or even in one year and it is necessary to work with this, if this coat of arms of papierger from rheinmetall came , then you already understand that there should have been no movement, not only movement from the president’s side, the president worked well in this context and showed that he is ready for a dialogue with a representative of big german business. and what, for example, is the verkhovna rada proposed at least some framework initiative in the form of a draft law that we will be about those who will come to us to build new high-tech enterprises , the defense-industrial complex is usually

high-tech enterprises we create so so so so preferential regime is now on the shores as they say it has been done in our country more than a year ago they announced the victory coalition in the amount of the constitutional majority within the verkhovna rada where are you the coalition show yourself where it really is from what you say we ourselves in ukraine very often unfortunately, we are lagging behind in what needs to be done, and very often for some reason we reproach europe from the west in general for not doing something.

there is a war going on in the country, and the claims voiced by the citizens of ukraine can be used by russian propaganda, which will imitate there is some dissatisfaction or something else, this is all true, but there is another point: our neighbors do not have such restrictions, you understand . when i was somewhere almost a month ago, i was in mykolaisk in poland, there is such a congress of local self-government, i had a discussion with my polish colleagues there, and they say this, and i emphasize not politicians, not in the context of the upcoming parliamentary elections, where the situation will also be quite difficult for us, and this in in the light of volodymyr zelenskyi's visit to warsaw the day after tomorrow, we also have to take into account uh , and there were scientists who said that we see that you declare your desire to join nato and the european union. but one desire may not be enough, we understand that there will be a certain fall of this

ideology and this the desire after the end of the war and the problems with corruption did not go anywhere with you either, that is, they talk like friends, you understand, they are not there to poke us with our noses in a puddle no such a thing did not happen and i i say that well, they even said to me that you can think that we have gathered here in order to make a claim in ukraine. i say no, i think on the contrary that only true friends can tell the truth to the face. and the fact that poland supports us is unique in recent years. months during the entire period of our relationship , i think there should be no doubt in anyone's mind, well, it's true, it 's true, mr. yevgen well, let 's move on to something else

, let's give oleksandr lukashenko a little bone we are pulling our mustaches behind our ears, we will do everything so that he now somehow feels that he is being talked about and is being talked about, well, they are talking about him, so seriously, let 's listen to what he said in two straight words before you start talking about him the time of the address to the people and the parliament seems to be in the following sequence, this address was sounded in minsk the day before yesterday, on friday, it seems, let's first say that sasha lukashenko , the self-proclaimed president of belarus , said in the first direct speech, well, you are now, how do you hear much talk about a counteroffensive the armed forces of ukraine, in my opinion, it is because of the usual dangerous, it is the best that is possible in the current conditions, because it can exhaust all hopes for the negotiation

process and lead to an irreversible escalation of the conflict . well, first of all, i really like his intonation and his accent. well, of course, and eh, but not about that, so he is now very much warning against a counteroffensive of ukraine, but let's listen to lukashenka's second direct speech, and then the questions for you are not quite prepared, often not to be and not

dressed very often и вшей прозующее they want to fight, no, they don't want to fight, because they don't understand what they're fighting for, that's the main thing, that's two direct languages ​​during one speech. in the first one, it's noticeable that he's addressing the ukrainians and saying no, no, no, this is a counteroffensive the worst thing you can think right now, because russia is a country that has nuclear weapons , in the second you feel that he is addressing the russians who are fighting and do not know what they are fighting for. it doesn't seem to you that lukashenko started, and this speech is very clear to me. it seems clear to you you can see it spinning like a louse from soap dust and doesn't know what to do well, the fact is that words fly out from under mr. lukashenka's mustache that do not fly out from under mr. piskov's mustache, that's one thing and you well, i understand

that you didn't watch these three hours completely and you read his speech i just read the diagonals look you see and i read carefully as they say with a red pencil that's why i don't agree with the first one so it's uh we uh i'll say that both quotes are the embodiment of messages of russian propaganda why because they have to convey to belarusians and to the whole world. well, lukashenko, in general, if you see him speaking from the position of such a great dictator to whom the whole world submits, in fact, this is not the case, and he says things that are absolutely well, they do not

correspond to reality, because uh, lukashenko why is he afraid? well, he is promoting the thesis that the ukrainian counteroffensive will not be missed. by the way, he returned to the fact that negotiations are needed twice in his speech. this is a revealing fact , because russia is interested in there being no counterattack, so that russia maintains control over the occupied territory of ukraine for as long as possible . and did it in the most comfortable conditions possible, this must be understood absolutely clearly in relation to the second quote there, in fact , it is about what further develops that ukrainian russian officers of each other they inform about the fact that about the future, there are some artillery strikes, it’s something , well, it’s uh, even he said, i know it very well, because i was told it, well, in the style of lukash, yes, yes, yes, yes, well , lukashenko, he has a quote in this speech

i am a military person and many other things. well, let's leave him the right to fantasize in the end. we can't influence it . we can influence it only by stating that lukashenko hides the undeniable fact that he turned millions of citizens of belarus into potential hostages because after the placement of russian tactical nuclear weapons there, i think it is quite obvious that nato countries will in any case make an effort to reorient their capabilities for a preventive or retaliatory strike against those military facilities that are currently located on the territory of belarus, and this will be done as clearly as possible and it will be done as quickly as possible, and that is why i think that the situation is actually not very

good for lukashenka, because he said in the 20th year that loved ones are not betrayed by talking about he betrayed belarus, he placed it under a potential blow of the same, i will use here the soviet ideologue of the aggressive nato bloc , what is the struggle with which lukashenko is so sincere and on his own, he dedicates to belarus the reasons and this must be understood, and the tragedy of the situation is that quickly leave from the territory of belarus, many belarusians technically simply cannot. well, they have a system built there. therefore, it is actually a very sad situation , sad because behind lukashenka will be putin , and putin is well aware of this and hardly

well, i do not fully share the well-known opinion of yuriy falshtynsky that there will definitely be an attack from the territory of belarus on poland and lithuania , no , i do not know for sure what is in putin's head, but to exclude the probability of such an attack and the deployment of something that will resemble the third world war war is not possible, that's why ukraine should intensify now, without waiting for july. i hope that these negotiations will be intensified in poland, and volodymyr zelenskyi and aje and duda may invite mr. nause to the president of lithuania for to talk about it and say that guys, we have to act now and the ukrainian authorities should not wait for lukashenko to return to business as usual and should create conditions for lukashenko himself to be the object of pressure , for this we need to talk to the belarusian

democratic forces of various i emphasize, i do not name a higher name, because this is a variety of 15 seconds. therefore, you need to be ready for different manifestations from this person. that 's all, and this really, mr. yevhen, there is one last question, but literally in your style, as you can tell me, please, describe in your opinion the presidency of russia in the un security council that it is in april, it is, well, on the one hand , it is an illustration of the imperfection of the international system of relations, on the other hand, it is an announcement that this system will change after the end of the russian- of the ukrainian war and amen, let's say yes and yes, mr. yevgen , i thank you very, very much for participating in the program. thank you for your professional opinions and comments. this was yevhen magda , director of the institute of world politics. well , due to lack of time, i have to hurry up

results of a-a voting. so, to the question about whether donald trump will be detained in court, which we asked you at least to those who watch our program on youtube , 213 people answered 37 think they will be detained a-a 60 think they will not be detained, your option is three percent considers your option already after the release of the program. unfortunately, only 843 people watch it now, but it is on a channel created specifically for our program. i really hope that next week more people will watch it. well, what about this i am forced due to lack of time to complete the program world during the war, but our broadcast does not end, but continues our marathon . my colleague serhiy rudenko and his program verdiche. i give you a word, serhiy