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my name is serhiy rudenko good day to everyone and good health today april 3 404 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers the russian federation officially accused ukraine of the murder of the racist and propagandist ledlena tatarsky german vice chancellor minister of economy robert gabet arrived for political talks to kyiv well, president zelensky is planning his visit to poland on april 5. meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine . as of the morning of april 3rd, the russian occupiers have already lost 175,160 people in ukraine . in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 560 at the beginning of the great war , the russians had already lost in ukraine 3,619 tanks , 693 armored fighting vehicles, 2,694

artillery systems, 527 rocket systems , a hall of fire, 280 air defense systems, 306 aircraft, 291 helicopters, 553 units of automobile equipment 18 ships boats 911 cruise missiles 226 drones 98 units of special equipment e pasha mercedes was kicked out of the lavra by thieves lukashenko as a peacemaker china is preparing for war we will talk about all this for the next hour i want to introduce today's guest - he is an extraordinary politician-diplomat ambassador plenipotentiary of ukraine to the united states of america in 2015-2019 valery chalyy p valery good day good health to you, glad to see you on our air

i congratulate you glory to ukraine glory to the heroes let's start with the hottest news, because russia has just officially accused ukraine of murdering the russian propagandist, a racist tatarskyi, and the national anti -terrorist committee of the russian federation announced that yesterday's terrorist attack against ledlen tatarskyi was planned by the ukrainian special services, well, in order to remind our viewers who vladlen tatarskyi really is his real name is maksym fomin, he was born in smakil and was convicted of armed robbery of a bank when putin signed the decree on the so-called joining the dpr of russia, the lpr of the kherson and zaporizhzhia regions. he recorded a video in which he promised to kill and rob whoever was necessary . well, he means ukrainians, let's see this vile

tatar everything as they like and went to a concert in kobzon e-e p valery. russia is trying to form an image of ukrainians as people who engaged in terrorism , well, actually, the fact that the anti-terrorist committee of the russian federation made a statement and accused the ukrainian special services indicates that russia continues its policy of creating the image of russia as a terrorist the state is in order to justify its aggression, which has been going on for 9 years, or what are they doing it for? well, let's start with the fact that it's not the first time that such accusations have been made, given that it happened in an institution it’s a beautiful thing that directs these eyes. so the so-called mercenaries of the wagnerites are all the rest to

ukraine, so i think that this is an internal russian showdown and it is very convenient for them to move the arrows . it will also destabilize the ruling elite over time because it must be so perceive all these statements as we always perceive them, they are using what i profitably and that's all, as i stopped there. and about these propagandists and criminals, well, obviously , our opinion here is unanimous regarding the impression of ukraine, yes, this is part of the war. the war between the states is going on, and where we are countries and it is obvious that it is going on all fronts or all of us by means, therefore the informational component of this

war will only increase because at the front on the fronts, despite the fact that the battles and confrontations are very fierce now, but all of them are obviously far-fetched times are leaning already no one in the world is seriously discussing the possibility of russia's further advance on ukrainian territory, that is, in principle, we have, of course, these narratives to overcome russians. this is how it has been done since 2014. problems with the motivation of the mobilization resource of the collection, that is, it is also done for the world. if earlier it had a greater influence on western countries from the very beginning of the war in 2014, then

even after the full-scale invasion of 2022, now they want to influence more on those who are still somehow not on the good side on the right side of the world and are wavering, fearing possible consequences or would not like to get involved at all, that's why they will build up all this propaganda work, informational and all just informational influences of fakes and this will only increase in proportion to our successes on the fronts, well, more p valery one case that will obviously be in the center of attention not only of the ukrainian public, of the russian er-e of this criminal power, but also of the whole world, this is a story

from a branch of the russian orthodox church of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate because on april 1, the shevchenkiv district court of the capital sent the former vicar of the kiev pechersk lavra, pavlo or peter , who was born a swan until may 30, under 24-hour arrest on suspicion of inciting inter-religious enmity and justifying russia's armed aggression against ukraine. he said a lot, apologized to journalists and said that there is no glass ahead. and kyiv, let's watch a small fragment from the courtroom, and once again, if you, dear journalists, have something there will be dinners, but i ask one thing, what is shown about the laurel, where about the golden dome, indicate what we will tell our tv

viewers. maybe someone missed this news that an electronic bracelet was put on the leg of pasha's mercedes , they call it, and he thanked the policeman who wore this bracelet and compared it with simon of cyrene, who for the bible helped carry the cross of jesus christ, let's also see a small fragment, and now i am very grateful to you for all of it sirene, who help me carry the bracelet and so your saint something on the orthodox local church, your blessedness in us puppy and november this is how the snowmobiles act in our country so, mr. valery, it is clear that this picture and what is happening around the kiev-pechersk lavra and not the desire of the moscow priests to leave the lavra, it is directed at the believers this is the first audience, and the second is directed at the perception in the world

. i would like to discuss this aspect with you as what is happening around the kiev-pechersk lavra and the moscow church in ukraine, how it will already affect the world's perception of ukraine. well, and in particular, by the same united states of america, which are sufficiently er with special attention and treat all matters related to the faith of the church and the ability of people to pray in the churches they want . religion as one of the foreign policy areas of activity, and every time the presidential administration chooses one of these apparently not external topics, not external topics, but very important for the promotion of freedom of interests, and in this regard

, it would seem that it should be perceived approximately from the same point of view, but if it was about religious organizations, that is, what kind of organization do i believe? and i, being in the analytical center, also dealt with these issues. it also represents and puffs out its cheeks and scares someone. that is, it is not the church. it is just a group of people who, of course, are a public organization , have united, carry out russian narratives during the war, campaign for the war, campaign against defense. that is, it should be considered by the sbu, what does the sbu actually do, but besides that and what

the basis of the work of this public organization in ukraine, that is, as far as i know, a large part of the funds that they collect from the citizens of ukraine deceived by them. they direct moscow with these funds to finance weapons and mercenaries and the armed forces, that is , in fact, every hryvnia that is given by ukrainians to these priests and where to kill our children our women and men, that is, they kiss, its angles must be considered, and here it is a religious organization, it has long been a tool of the fsb, and we are talking about one person , not one laurel, these insolences can to work in ukraine to continue campaigning for the war such cases are very often their organization covered up under a different name, they seem to be no longer a russian church, but they are ukrainian orthodox, there is a law what prohibits doing this, that is, they continue to do so and continue to do

so why because there are people who have not really understood in all of this, that is, there is an orthodox church in ukraine, pravopotsu, and he moved to khmelnytskyi, the congregation is all working normally, everything is still working , everything is ensured . to separate the flies from the meat, that is, to show what is really happening, this is a complex area and it is very difficult to explain it to the outside, that is why i think that we need to have a special representative for religious affairs in the ministry of foreign affairs, there was such an ambassador on special assignments. i do not know, well, i did not see the activity recently, in america, in general , the representatives of the president are therefore, in principle , outside. this information work must be strengthened to provide true information about what is actually happening, because the picture itself

, when we still have it, is accompanied by such a text well, of course, it can in some countries. well, i think that there is an understanding of what the russian church is, that it is an instrument of the same hybrid war, but in countries where it is not understood , it can be used. therefore, it is necessary to counteract this, it is serious, it must be counteracted at a high level. against the background of the fact that pavlo lebidya was actually sent under house arrest, as they say he will be there somewhere in his house , an estate in voronkov, boryspil district , on the plain, to serve his sentence there for up to 20 months, it is clear that he is already, well, in fact evicted from the lavra because of house arrest. he is supposed to be at the exact point determined by the police , but yesterday the head of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate, onufriy, came to the kiev-pechersk lavra for a service and he continued

the actual case of pavel lebidya and the struggle, conditionally speaking, the struggle for the kyiv-pechersk lavra. if suddenly, in the current history , the current government will not be able to prove that there is a power of government in ukraine, and the government manages and controls all processes, and it will not be possible to expel the moscow priests from kyiv pechersk lavra. what could be the consequences of this in the near future? i'm not saying after the victory when this church can turn into an instrument of influence on voters and parishioners who traditionally vote there either for the party of regions or for the opposition bloc, that is, the existence of this church what is at stake for ukraine? i would like to emphasize here that

, of course, it is necessary to act carefully and legally , taking into account the laws of wartime, this is also absolutely acceptable, but at the same time , i emphasize once again that freedom of conscience is freedom religion - this is all observed in ukraine. there are even certain restrictions on these freedoms in wartime conditions, but in general there are no problems with this in ukraine, so these issues should be separated and i say that i would check economic activity, why is business ukrainian small business - it is constantly under supervision, there are always checks, even during the war, the pressure is very serious on this opportunity, ordinary public organizations give full reporting, fully disclose all accounting, give and pay taxes, here we have

a big question, here are all these activities i don't know. i, as a kyivan, was in larik, and then it often happens there. well, i see so much built there, and what is the reason for all this ? but the question is not in this, not in any lavra, the question in general is the attitude to russian tools in the war, how they use it is not an isolated case. we already know that in monasteries and churches, especially in eastern ukraine, weapons were stored , grenade launchers were stored there, mercenaries hid there, there were also since the 14th year or so, they have tried to answer all these questions through the security service, but i will tell you that it is actually wartime to do this. well, it is not that it

is easier, it is just more appropriate because we are without a threat much more are going now and that's why i can note that today the security service of ukraine acts more decisively , well, in general, the authorities. the main thing is that these approaches are kept in complexes with coordinated and accompanied by an appropriate information campaign because of the resources that the state has and the government has one more event today that didn't happen until the weekend, but today we definitely have to talk about it. i think it's an address by alexander lukashenko , the self-proclaimed president of the republic of belarus , to the belarusian people and the parliament, because lukashenko is what is a co-aggressor is a person who is co-responsible for the russian war in

ukraine wants to appear as a dove of peace and offer a truce, he mentioned in his message to the people these conditions that must happen in order for it to actually stop the war in ukraine is without the right to move troops without the right to accommodate the regrouping of troops on the part of ukraine and russia to prohibit and also without the right to transfer weapons and ammunition of military equipment, and without threats, let's look at lukashenka, he will declare a truce without the right to move the regrouping of troops among themselves parties without the right to transfer weapons and ammunition, manpower and equipment are all dead, and if the west once again tries to use the pause in hostilities

, somehow it was to strengthen its positions again it was a lie. russia is obliged to use all the power of the armed forces and the army to prevent the escalation of the conflict. in fact, there is nothing new in lukashenko's rhetoric. he also said in this speech that he had been running like a puppy between the presidents of russia all this time before the start of a large-scale invasion. and tried to convince ukraine that the issue of donbas should be resolved somehow, considering putin's decision, it is not lukashenka, putin's decision to deploy tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus , and lukashenka's attempt to act as peacemaker, how do you perceive what lukashenko says, is it worth listening to him at all and reflecting on something, or

is there in principle only one person in this situation, putin? well , sit-and-pin, who obviously also fully owns the situation, what putin is doing is not for what he is doing putin well, i don't see a peacemaker here at all since lukashenko said that no one from belarus would enter ukraine , he spoke publicly and not publicly about russian days, what russian troops were there in general, that he will not allow this , they will only trade tractors in ukraine by the way, they supply the same tractors as they appear. now that’s the way it is. despite this, he is still somehow maneuvering there . it is clear that he is no peacekeeper . it is clear to me that he is finished as a political figure. and

he is an enemy. he is an enemy of ukraine. he is now fully under putin. that is, he is helping putin in this war by the fact that he still has money left , in fact, to manage his country from the point of view of security . it will stop, because we can be expelled from ukrainian land, they will simply throw it out, and lukashenko is afraid of this. and what will happen next? what will happen next? in principle, well, listen, listen to everything. you can, but once again i say that if we talk about the belarusian, this is self-proclaimed . the leader, he already often broadcasts the kremlin's uh-uh clearly positions. and if we talk about him, believe it or not

. well, he said that kyiv would be captured for three days, he already said it. tactical nuclear weapons russia on the territory of the republic of belarus, is it correct? i understand that lukashenko is now trying to make lemonade out of lemons, squeeze everything to the maximum, because the presence of such tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus can become the subject of his blackmail, and regarding the event, he can always say listen, i have here tactical weapons, we can still put strategic weapons here, so don't touch me as long as i'm alive there, because as long as i'm alive, i'll rule belarus. well, it's very simple here

. he is increasing the number of fellow citizens of the inhabitants of belarus very seriously because no one will give him a button or even access there. that is, it is obvious that no one wanted him to have nuclear weapons, that is, no one will give him that, but they will use it, they will simply scare him with the use of the territory, that is, the russians keep it for themselves but on the territory of belarus, well, at least that's how they consider it all, then they'll come up with all kinds of explanations that it's actually their state , well, by the way, it will sound funny, especially in the context of the attitude towards lukashenka, but this is about the way it will be, that's why no one here takes him seriously. and from the point of view of defense, let's say the placement itself

. if this happens, there is no such thing today , i emphasize, there is no movement, uh, there is not yet . but if the placement of tactical nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus is uncontrolled belarusians will take place, it will seriously increase the threat to the citizens of belarus, and why, according to you, is it enough to comment so cautiously, and well, there is no such thing, there are no urgent meetings, announcements of the convening of various security agencies there in connection with this by putin's statement, that is, the west thinks that putin is still bluffing. the point is that, well, it's not that he's bluffing, but he's trying to use the last arguments that remain, this is weapons

of mass destruction, blackmail, using weapons of mass destruction, this is not the first time , the previous peak, you remember, was the first the months of the war, when there was a full-scale invasion, when the russians were expelled from large areas of ukraine, and then they began to spread the word about nuclear blackmail, now they are trying to repeat it again, but already a warning through closed channels this is unacceptable, the same uh, britain at one time made a statement, in my opinion, with this statement about the cooling of the situation that has just happened, that the british, in the event of a threat from russia, will inflict and will not even consult with their partners in this case, that it will threaten britain after that

closed negotiations went on, there communication channels were used, and then china made a statement in its own style, but then it knows very well that no one will allow it to proceed with blackmail , it is the deployment of tactical nuclear weapons - that's fine a change in the situation, but i will tell you frankly that it is not for ukraine, that is, i believe that it is used primarily as an attempt to fix its aggressive positions by nuclear blackmail for today, and everyone has already recognized this game. even if it will be de facto moved there is a certain number of charges on the territory of belarus, then there are already carriers of weapons placed in this way, they are already there in principle, i will tell you , i no longer have such 100% as confirmation, but monitoring must be done seriously

, they deconserved in crimea at one time what the soviet union built storage facilities for tactical nuclear weapons there and they already have fighter jets carrying e-e nuclear weapons in crimea , which are also located there, so they also have a large amount on their territory. i do not think that there is any drastic change for ukraine in this situation, therefore the main blow, they direct the use of nuclear blackmail and unfortunately, unfortunately, well, i will tell you that there is such an opinion, and, in particular, now british and american analysts are writing that china, carefully watching the situation , preparing for the war that i announced they look at how successfully, after all, from their chinese point of view, russia managed to stop the involvement of other countries on our side

directly in defense from the use of nuclear mining, that is, from the point of view of the chinese , it is russia's success that the west succumbed to nuclear blackmail and only now. this situation shows that the west is beginning to rethink this whole situation, i will tell you one thing, i am still surprised by two or three decisions and statements that the united states of america could not just put russia in its place, but put it in the back seat point and lead to the publicity of russia, as was the case with the soviet union when russia declared and it is now doing it what is it stopping or withdrawing or ceasing participation in the basic strategic offensive treaty about strategic nuclear weapons and after that if the usa had declared and said yes

well, then, ok, then get out. and then we will not stick to it, and for 3-4 years, russia would not have become the soviet union. well, if russia had not pulled uh, such an increase in the number of uh, nuclear warheads of missiles as the west did. well, but on it doesn't work for me either it is very surprising because the stretching of these threats in time, it seems to me, does not reduce the escalation now, on the contrary, more decisive actions , even statements, could possibly seriously cool the opinion of all these blackmailers who, by the way, at this time thus gain more time and in fact all this is so insufficient decisive action they promote the spread of nuclear weapons and i cannot rule out that the number of nuclear states will dramatically increase in the coming years. well, of course china