[000:00:00;00] the solution of throwing away in complex problems is absolutely politics. moreover, in the international and water there are no simple solutions at all, and even more so at the end of the temptation, we will still not deny that no one will deny that there will be negotiations. well, here, for sure, after the war , there will always be a renegotiated customs process and the question is conditional, and so on. he is a citizen of the world, he wants these negotiations to start very quickly, but from what position he does not think it will end there and it will end pavlo oleksandr, you said about the ability of the west to build something, promise something, agree on it, and so on, yes or no

was the result of some strange, possibly very large or very long-lasting fictional narrative. maybe even soviet. and maybe even earlier, the fact that the west believed in russia’s ability to negotiate . well, for example, in 1991, when it disintegrated the soviet union, the west applauded and shouted freedom , freedom, democracy , everything was fine, we agreed on nuclear weapons, we agreed on weapons, and so on and so on. the same as themselves as western politicians, only they speak russian, they believed that everything fixed on paper is followed without appeal , that is, if he signed the same contractual

positions, this is the standard of work of the united states we signed the agreement, if not, we will go to court, well, the europeans. so we signed the politicians and also. well, we signed the agreements, and the russians , on the contrary, well, we signed when it will be convenient, then well , rather, it is profitable, then we will reject these this agreement. that's all, that is, they do not accept any contractual obligations are understandable, there are such examples that show that putin adheres to these oral agreements, but with those politicians before it was someone he himself trusted or when they respected, that is, with those he adheres to in the end. goodbye this absolutely some kind of criminal, uh, such a criminal view of the world, well, it’s not only criminal. and this is a question in general . what do we ask about who is more right or who is stronger, that is , behind you in general there must be some right basis and so on. today you can be strong tomorrow, glory you today you can get sick at work yes, well, you are weak, but you are strong, you gave out two ethers, three ethers, and so on, and so on , in general, in this kind of impact, everyone

switched gears, and so on, and so on , and so on, and so on, and there are completely different experts. well, you today you are strong, they pay you a salary , and so on, tomorrow you are a little bit lazy, you are kicked out, no one counts, some young, stronger person will take your place, and so on, one day, and tomorrow it turns out that he is not a professional, and as a result, those who follow the path of strength fall professionalism, competence, but they constantly feel as if that's why putin can sit there with a zernogan , but we're there right now, those from that deck , but already with the new president of france or the new prime minister of germany, and well, no it's interesting that when i was there for two terms three and they were two three the prime minister of canada who said socks to him yes well yes that is, from him for him it is in general he has a different system of values ​​and this is now happening to a large extent in ukraine the war for the future of humanity, how will we solve the issues in the world, by the way, this can become a ukrainian narrative, or has it already become, well, for us, it should

become part of ours in general . well, if the world demands for the reform of all international institutions because it works not only once it broke repeatedly it broke in ukraine it generally broke down systemically, that is, in 2022 it works in ukraine in 2014-2015 it works in ukraine in 2023 well, it still works in ukraine , the war continues and it does not work in syria in africa in georgia, in moldova, the system with the system of law must do something, and the system of force . well, what system will take the place, it cannot completely switch to a system of force, it cannot absolutely no, it has constitutions that are followed . just like that, powerless, it will not return to the system by the way, this is the principle that a strong leader is needed. it was advised by ipso. what is this? it is part of propaganda without appeal . it is an attempt to show that our fire is cool. everything else is bad. who does it? well , putin does. well, a strong candidate, well, a strong

leader . and he has lukashenko. by the way, the last time i liked it so much in quotes, he says that he opened a store . yes, there they sell their own rags . are born oh, this is what rejects in general all democratic, crosses all democratic assets of humanity and values, i don't know what napoleon went through, the struggle for the republic ended with architecture, we went through it all in history, it was repeated many times, but here we still have to say about human nature it's the same as human nature is like that. here are the narratives and the ipsova, she is like that. well, she wants these simple solutions, so that some internet will tell them to think like this, water is like that. that's how to solve it. it's still a big question, always forceful. hand he is always in different countries in very different ways and so on the poorer the less educated the less they delve into

the question this is even this even the educated rich educated rich but the less from the depths of the question the more the desire for simple solutions and strong strong hands so effective managers yes. that is, all this really gives you a job when you are not given the opportunity to think over questions and say your opinion. how many seconds do you have ? what are you going to do against ? why will there be problems, of course, gentlemen, back to the narratives, after all, our topic today is russian ipso, you and i touched on this important, very important element , such as a source of information, we talked about telegram channels, about e, and i hurt the past about means classical mass media and so on. but nevertheless, about the sources in principle in our society among those who are able to read, for example, western mass media is so widespread

, well, it may not be too widespread, but in principle there is such an opinion that westerners can change to trust, but here i have a special selection of materials that appeared in the western media, and the names here are simply from the first page of the washington post. as you all know, and you , dear viewers, recently and once again published a pessimistic material, i will not say which one, but it specifically says that ukraine does not have forces for the offensive that the quality of training of the military reserves is poor that huge losses have weakened the ukrainian army american politicians say that disagreements between washington and kyiv on some issues are constantly growing numerous points of tension arise so that sabotage in the northern currents at the bottom of the baltic sea is exhausting ukrainian defense of bakhmut , which is called strategically unimportant in the pentagon. so it has exhausted its forces there, and all the forces of ukraine are said to have thrown themselves at

the strategically unimportant bakhmut, the impossibility of fighting in the crimea, where the troops are the russian federation has been building some kind of invincible defense there since the 14th year. that 's all. politics is different materials in the german media. at some point , an article will appear, a material about the fact that between the political and the military leadership of ukraine, there is some kind of conflict, you understand it, between the zelenskyi, zaluznyk, which means reuters, i don't remember that she published any specific materials, but reuters - in the 14-15th years , they published a map of russia with the annexed crimea , reuters until now, and the war in ukraine a conflict or a crisis and what is this this i don't know if they were bought they are influenced by some agents of influence secret in black means masks and means the russian flag somewhere under the armpit what is this why is this happening why

knowing and thinking about the western media as well unshakable and like ideal ukrainian readers can suddenly jump on such material, a scandal, a sensation will still remain, above all else they want a scandal, a sensation, and russian narratives are used by propagandists, and people who are agents, people who sneak onto the radio pay money for these things , they show them, do you want us now we will tell you the sensation. you will become the best journalist there, and he or she says so. do you want to concentrate another information operation in ukraine? we choose some not so perfect western mass media with a good name. they have small materials there for how somewhere there to the third-line editor of the third-line variety and so on and then a large material here with a link to the material there and i will also give you such a small message, see first when it is from the e-e article yes come out, you need to see this editorial article. is it a communist, well, they are writing something, well, the link is just there, wall street is there, for example

, a journal, yes, oksana says it can be there on the facade or it can be somewhere behind crosswords yes, there is also a weather forecast, but it is not on the website such yes who wrote this article, if a person looks at what he wrote before, if there is everything plus or minus about well, pro-russian, in principle, you can somehow understand what and well, it is clear. so, for the same, you need to go and read, journalists should do it. the ukrainian truth is such a narrative. okay, let's go. for discussion for for reflection and it could be as an option all those passages that are now there, it could also be psu, but on the other hand, it is absolutely from the side of europe on the side of the russians, that is, it creates an assumption, it creates the impression that everything is bad in the ukrainian army, they are not ready, they are not ready at all, and there is a conflict between zelenskyi’s subordinates and between the military and the political leadership. well, it makes no sense if you are strong

and give the enemy the impression that you are weak. was, but i think that after the war, we will just talk in more detail about some things. we managed. i remember very well how she reprimanded me on the air of the marathon. oh my god, who told me that? here means to talk in advance about some kind of offensive in the south, that you can never do it, it means to say it before it was, because it will not be possible, and so on , she scolded me until i ran, well, if it were not for the thunder, i would have blushed , and then, as it were, we went to the offensive in the kharkiv region yes yes everything is correct i think that after the war it will be possible to tell them and they will get out just now if i tell them it will be a confirmation for the russians

yes everything is clear and they will look for patterns where they are used and break them and the russians are definitely watching the marathon, we know that for sure and they are analyzing what we are saying here and what our guests are saying , gentlemen. are there any examples? plaster that didn't work and it became clear on march 1 when europe didn't freeze when ukraine didn't freeze and that means we finally had light and so on and uh, they promised for so long there that the winter would be big that means they showed their krasnoyarsk, it seems yes, yes, how is he, in the role of brussels, krasnoyarsky was there, so in general, look at everything here, but before that, we have to take a little step back, please, uh, there is an information war, yes, just now you asked for an example

of whether there are military actions from our side of all there are sides. well, there is an information war within the framework of this information war. it is necessary to understand very well what the dispositions were. what were the positions in general, the initial starting positions, etc. well , for example. on the day of unity, on the day of the cathedral, they tested yes , one of the elements, the second in ukraine, in general, this sms was already developed. in general , all social networks and so on, regardless of yes . that is, it is very good to quickly get information and bad as lies, that is, we can talk in ukraine, the local press in ukraine, to the local means of our information, newspapers, television , radio, against the background of growing trust in decentralization, trust in local self-government. yes, we have national journalists, some journalists wrote in local ones, absolutely local ones worked in national ones, this is very good that is, we have a deposit for freedom of speech. what is a defensive brezhnei for the enemy, and now we need to understand the enemy's understanding

of our situation with you in general ? they do not expect that these columns that will go through our villages and cities will be met with resistance and hatred, they expect that those cities that are captured will be greeted by people русский мей гриб зол цветы yes, and they will come out with blue and yellow flags in berdyansk and melitopol in kherson and henicheska, everywhere the people come out with a protest. yes, not hiding like that. that is, they expect that the convoys will go quickly through some villages, people go straight to the road and say go from here, well, pass and so on. and so why did you come here, do you remember the woman, imagine their level of incomprehension the level of misunderstanding of everything in general. where do they get their information? this is on the topic of why 99% of their general information requirements, special operational standards, simply failed, well, they didn’t just not understand. where do they put them in general? and you

there is no dissonance on the one hand, this er russia er country means a descendant of the soviet union, this famous soviet propaganda, this famous soviet bullshit, means some kind of special operations, a war under the guise of a--and here elementary they pierce the military even no no on military intelligence, but simply on elementary knowledge of a potential enemy, yes. they were preparing for war, what happened? this is degradation. well, many people said degradation, but it was written, look at the last years, not at 10-15 of the intelligence services of the russian the counterintelligence federations have ceased to be bodies where you can make a lot of money. not only is it very cool to make money and you can influence processes, that is, the fsb influences any process in russia, in principle it is negative, but name me a field and i will tell you that there is a representative of the fsb, the oil industry, tens of dozens i immediately went there to their reserve

, banking institutions, er, forest, forest everywhere, they are here, and do you remember this example, kirill cherkalin , 9 billion rubles there, 100 million dollars , it seems that he had cash in his apartment there in fact, everything is described very well in falshtina and litvinenko. in the book fsb undermines russia, in the first chapter it is immediately described how the hebeshes were started. agents of any time, they became just a merchant, that is, they stopped being hebeshes , stopped doing these special operations in them , the scope went to cabbage. on on on money as they like and there are not many resources for operations anymore, you are engaged in a bank keep an enterprise keep a market keep something else an operation well there is time left something can be planned that is, first of all it was money and influence on the flows well, they corrupted themselves ah and if i told you they lost there is no normal process acts on the basis of law remember we said not according to the rules yes yes yes professionalism is falling well, we also

repeatedly change those who are stronger he fights without rules, if it worked, man would not have invented technology, well, you understand, yes, the point is to follow technology , you can take everything by force. here are trying hard to make up for that now the level of success of their uh, well, information operations, everything they are conducting, they knew it is starting to grow that they are starting to draw conclusions well, they are starting to understand what they are dealing with, they are starting to mirror us, we mirrored in some ways, they absolutely mirror in everything, even in postage stamps . well, you saw it, everyone saw it, well, at least. unfortunately for us , there are also unpleasant things. yes, that is, they are starting to reflect it there in drones and not blindly. and yes, in some areas, they have more than we and so on, that is, well, that is, they start learning from us, but we also start learning because not all information

special operations and not all information waves that we tried to carry out with them. for propagandism, i will give such a simple example, because it can be told about it, because it was done by our people, that is, ordinary citizens did it now, many viewers recognize themselves, call your family in russia, the fifth time you are there , what did you do? uh starting with the fact that you yourself are to blame, ending with the fact that we sent you to save you. that's the answer to get from relatives from ukraine . we don't need to be saved. we didn't go anywhere. so you're not going to get an answer at all. the last thing you did was zombies, you were programmed. we 're there, well, you know the truth. you don't know the truth, well, that is what i think now, well, have our viewers recognized themselves in this, yes? that is, we, with their understanding of the fact that with the understanding that they are like us after

the collapse of the soviet union, they also want to live normally that we have a national idea, which was until now, we all stood up for what he formulated in absolutely supportive words , but yes, yes, they, too, we transfer to them the idea that they, too, want them to be left behind, they sent them to die, and they turn out to be perennial propaganda, perennial zonboyashky putin's twists have shaken their belief that they want them to fall behind them, and they want to subjugate the measures again to win peace. so i am now. while you were talking, i thought that my best russian relatives were dead great, yes, gentlemen, we literally have less than 10 minutes, and i would still like to talk . if we talk about russian narratives and psoas of modernity, that is, what are the main theses or topics or discourses that russia is trying to instill in the spirit of the world? well, look now, i went to war, that is, before it was more about the economy than about politics, because there is no ukraine there and there is no economy, you are all dependent on everyone

, you are slaves. and you have sold yourself, now it is a war, and first of all, i see a conflict between zaluzhny and zelensky, this was my political ambition wanted to be president that is, this is a story and not everyone is told by many foreign journalists. even i was called. so there is a conflict. yes , to beat all the pitchers there, the weather. well, you beat the key, that is, they are now trying to solve this story so that this counteroffensive, which we all expect, is there. it broke down somewhere, by the way, it's also interesting. lukashenko even accepted the story of participating in such operations when he gives an interview with local journalists, he says, "i know what's going on in the conflict between the military ukrainians and the zelenskyi in the ego of the media here, that is, he's trying there insert your five copies er and solve the story ugh all congratulations what we talked about construction through vip-persons and or through them what he said did someone send this person like realistic well and so on and among the topics

that are thrown in ukraine this is from the old one from the economic and social block, it is about the fact that you should stop supporting ukraine in the financial one, it is corrupt and sells weapons . the problem of corruption is in every country, corruption and so on in every country, but it is always russian propaganda, always the russian information machine, every smallest fact , they tried as much as possible to convince the population that nothing ever changes, and never used any force show if somewhere in ukraine, something has changed in ukraine , where it has changed. but in our country, we are still shocked by this. in fact, as a society, we believe, as a ukrainian investigation, that corruption and the ukrainian corruption hydra are not long ago and nothing has ever changed in ukraine, although in ukraine a huge number of industries have actually said goodbye to corruption because private market economic relations have come there, we have simply forgotten about this and we

have forgotten about that. and about how a pig and a cow must be prepared so that the child enters vet and about the fact that there are so many sheep to be prepared so that there are cubic meters of forest that a child has entered the university, but we do this automatically. we said goodbye to a large number of spheres, but the task of propaganda is to spin that there will be no changes here, and globally, the question is not even about corruption . and that there will be no changes. and it’s not even about military topics. but about not believing in ukraine, because the biggest narrative that tries to carry in general everywhere of the world, russia is not to believe in ukraine, as far as we are concerned. and in general, russia has entered into such a world information company about not believing in the law, that is, you don't believe , you are talking about the fact that the mechanisms of the world are broken, we are repairing them, they are talking about what's in the world and the mechanisms are broken, who is stronger, then you ruled absolutely like that, literally, a small one, another cool example about a pig there, yes, remember when was there , well, okay, 10 years ago, when you were stopped there, gai yes

, you knew that, well, 99%, well, it's all there it is necessary there is no there is no yes and now you think well they are stopping here well everything is normal here the conversation is not afraid no one is afraid i remember i have an acquaintance there he when they stopped his heart pressure there and his eye twitches there that is, say hello to an acquaintance likewise now that we are not afraid of them, they are they are afraid when they want to take a bribe . i want to take it. this is rare, the fuel is good. and we return to russia again. god forbid, uh, clean minds to their narratives, and another one advised this. it says somewhere there that well, yes, try to arrest putin, something much more intimidation will fly there immediately , it is intimidating. these are fakes and fairies, and in parallel, zakharova tells what well, we are all, we are, we are for peace

, we are for negotiations . separate bodies they work separately bears it is not integrated into the coordinate system of russian propaganda at all if i am autonomous if zakharova together with other heads of the press service she comes every week to a meeting at the administration of the president of the russian federation to the first deputy of such gromov and she then there they give them a task about it, don’t talk about it too much, forget about it, let’s talk about it, medvedi, he is independent in autonomous swimming, alcoholics from moscow, he is writing there , what is everyone in nuclear quail from a sow

, that is, this is his standard story if we talk about some results of our conversation today, well, i definitely understand that our audience, well, i hope that i remembered that you need to check what you read, don't trust everything, i definitely understand that in ukraine you need to generate your own powerful narratives and

not only mean to refute the russian and so on, that's for sure, and it is desirable to generate them in languages ​​of the world understood, not ukrainian, ukrainian by itself here inside and not only in russian, as we do it now, because, well, russia and russia, but it's for the whole world and english in other languages ​​accessible to other people in other countries literacy, information literacy, they say that citizens should have critical thinking, people should be capable of critical thinking about what it should be . well, it seems that people are generally critical of any information. and i always say this i remind the simple people, trust everyone and everyone is checked, it is absolutely better to check than to constantly get paranoid . of course, you understand the critical thinking that is in front of me , what do i see?

the main meaning, as it seems to me, is that and we talked about it, that ukraine is successfully breaking down as my editor says, multiplying russian narratives by zero so that they don’t work here , you said that’s how they break into us about the fact that we need our own, we do them and we will to do i hope to continue and if the main meaning if someone tells you or you understand that some person causes you despair in ukraine, it is because a russian soshnik or just a fool, don't listen to such an idiot child it's definitely under the best circumstances, gentlemen , thank you very much for the conversation a little bit chaotic, a little stormy, but definitely interesting, i will remind you that our guests today were oleksandr solontay , an expert of the institute of political education and ivan stupak, an expert of the ukrainian institute of the future. thank you very much. i hope that

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