[000:00:00;00] do you still feel like you are civilized and not er people of er post or scoop spill let's say so i apologize for such a long comment we have a war in the ninth year it has been a large-scale invasion for more than a year the war at the beginning did not take place on the entire territory of ukraine and may not everyone felt well, but at least now when rockets are flying over the whole of ukraine, when we are bombs are flying over the whole of ukraine, when you are still one way or another a witness and a victim of this war, how can you somehow not feel and, moreover, despise those who protect your peace and these stories from khmelnytsky where the military man was beaten in the church and this story of the military man. well, luckily, there were no attacks on

the military man. however, the phrase is disrespectful to her, get into your bakhmut. well, somehow, somehow , it seemed to me that when would a full-scale invasion be enough here ? it should not be ideal but again, returning to reality we are in a certain sense in such a painful post-soviet space where people remain who mentally associate themselves either with the soviet union or with the russian federation, that's why it's not important for them to speak russian , to celebrate russian or soviet holidays, and these muscles are such metastases of the soviet union, they appear to be vybryka, to which, in my opinion , ukrainian society reacts more and more correctly, forming in fact a very it is worthy of appreciation of what is happening and we are not actually

engaged in lynch trials. what happened in other countries too, in fact, with our public civil position, we are teaching correct behavior and reactions and less and less there will be such examples, and not only from ordinary citizens , but first of all from the e-e church of the moscow patriarchate, which i personally consider a branch of e-e special services of the russian federation, they have nothing to do with religion, they are the same parasites on religious topics. they ensure the necessary actions and tasks planned by the kremlin to influence ukrainians in the informational mental space so that more and more, the correct reaction of ukrainians will shape the reduction of the manifestations of such and such

muscles of the soviet or russian now, what kind of narrative do we have? well, that's what annoys us and forces us to react. but again , we are in an ideal world, not in a real one. so all this must be realized that even after the end of the war, there will be those who will allow themselves, in a certain sense , similar things we will react and keep the situation under control , do not allow us to allow them to demonstrate such things. thank you, mr. andriy, for your opinion. andriy teteruk , an officer of the volunteer formation free ukraine and an ex-combatant of the volunteer battalion of the ministry of internal affairs. peacemaker was in touch with us. well, now we are adding oleksiy koshelya, the head of the committee of voters of ukraine, and roman golovenko, a media lawyer, to our airwaves. we welcome you, gentlemen, to our airwaves. good morning . we would also like to remind you that today is the 405th day of the war. and

another 365 days. yak espresso tv channel and two other tv channels have been removed from e-e legal broadcast license in digital broadcasting i just said today that look, yesterday we literally every minute someone dropped money and we collected, for example, 55,000 uah for these drones and we do it every day we collect these money, but this audience is simply already reduced simply because there is no explanation until now, there is no explanation until now, except for the fact that the ether is so dense, for example, in the marathon, the only news is that there is no place, but then we saw what is there if i why is the license digital here, that's a different story, but these explanations were there, someone mumbled something, what did they say about not being able to negotiate or something like that, i don't remember

exactly this phrase anymore, but in fact, that's all there is . let's try to figure out if it's a good thing we have had a year of war and three channels are still not broadcasting on their frequencies , and can this be justified, maybe these are channels that are better off not having access to a wider audience because they don’t know what they can say like that, maybe we are not patriotic enough, what is it now patriot, maybe they are enough propagandists, well, we need to be more propagandistic and military . alexey, i know your channel, well, not just from the first day , i took part as an expert in the samples that were recorded before the release of the channel. i don't like to praise anyone

, but your position always remains unchanged , that is, the channel is a patriotic channel, it tells the truth, but you have every chance return to the single marathon or take part in the single marathon, return to t2, everything is very simple, simple, you need the government , you need to start praising the government, you need to talk about the great powers, the irreplaceability of the government, what the government likes today and what it does many other tv channels, that is, but the problem is not only that two more tv channels are hiding behind the war, if i am not mistaken, the audience was cut off twice, that is , they were thrown off the digital airwaves, and the problem is that during the war, the government conducts a false information policy, that is, if in the first few months of the war , the telemare format of the telethon was justified, now we see that it led to the fact that the audience of telegram channels and the audience of tv channels

actually equalized and a very large percentage of ukrainian citizens receive information precisely from anonymous telegram channels , there are various groups in viber , facebook, etc. in addition to the fact that your tv channel and two others were simply thrown off the air without any explanation. well, i will remind you that of course the direct tv channel and the fifth tv channel are affiliated, to put it mildly , there or how to say it correctly to peter poroshenko and, accordingly, they can still be called channels that have some kind of political color, but in the case of the espresso tv channel, it seems to me that here it cannot even be explained by political motivation. although i do not

imagine how it is possible, in principle , to use political motivation for some illegal decisions in a country that, in principle, is going to, as skarletka told us, none of our er, our er, the prime minister said that we have already fulfilled all the criteria for joining the european union, not the same as joining nato. martial law and the fact that the war in the country still corresponds to the spirit and the letter of the law in ukraine well, in fact, we do not know the only telethon legally, that is, whether it is a binding uh, well, it is an obligation to participate in the telethon or this is correct because we see that the telethon took place a few weeks before the presidential decree was issued to implement the decision of the national security council, and before that it was already

working, and some officials claim that it is the good will of the tv channels, they united, they joined together are working, and the government is useless here, well, on the other hand, some tv channels they create duplicative channels, they create channels just so as not to lose recognition, and even in the event that they did not take you marathon espresso direct fifth channel we remember mr. pedalyak's statement about the fact that it is because of peter's narcissism oleksiyovich poroshenko or something similar, that is, accordingly, the telethon is not the work of the marathon itself is not transparent. yes, in our country , ideally, if we follow the law on the legal regime of martial law, then the authorities should have the opportunity to limit the media to some extent

to regulate them but it should have been uh clarified by a by-law of the government that was not adopted, and in fact we have been living in such a regime for a year and it is not clear whether this telethon is something more. well, i suspect that there is a combination here, after all, the tv channels went to the meeting, it was difficult for them because many employees left, and it was still necessary to fill the ether, mostly it is 24 hours, they united with the composition and so on. but it is clear that the government also participates, there is a certain supervision there. if it is seen from the side of the tours , this is different, but it is not a transparent process and i i agree that it may have been justified in the first months of the war, but now it is really losing, er, well, the telethon is losing its audience , and this is spilling over into the social network telegram, we don’t know about telegram, what is there pavlo durov it is

the russian owner of other social networks as well well, of course, it is not a social network can be adjusted to the requirements of each country, and uh, on the one hand, on the other hand, those channels are more popular in social networks, where there is more yellowness , more let’s do something else, and not verified information, and well, it was a natural process. i don’t i know if it was possible to influence it, but at least it was possible to work more carefully in terms of television and radio broadcasting, because it, well, at the time of the beginning of the full-scale invasion, it was not yet the largest such with an audience , it was a source of information. the problem is that people don't get information from tv channels, for example. well, i don't see them as a journalist . i see it as the spirit of the times. let's put it this way. that is , we, well, we can't do anything about it, that is,

people are the first to find out and get it anyway. news somewhere and elsewhere well, they can't actually get them, for example, from official applications that are absolutely there, which are linked to some media with a normal reputation. from other social networks, the question is something else. someone should explain the news . it seems to me that right now, for things like the marathon, it is very important , including information, yes, or a special channel, and so on. marathon and this is this function now ours and yours also appearing in this ether is an explanation of what this actually means and what will happen next and it is very important for informing the society and not to explain later what is right and wrong with bakhmut understood that there is something wrong there, and it is not right there, it is military or from others

, but when i am a little bit, i see pieces of some and the only news of the marathon i have, and i cannot separate some political advertising there from this useful propaganda, because someone there determined that it is useful there some very bright and high-minded people somewhere in the nsdc. probably somewhere or the administration of the president who determines how it will be. propaganda acts. i know there, uh, and you feel skeptical about your words . well, okay, for example. yes, but, i just can’t divide just propaganda. and political advertising, just looking at the fact that there are always the same people, for example, the same political forces appear , how is it easy to separate p oleksiy, you know i would speak more rudely, that is, he once again emphasizes in

the information work, the government did i made an extremely big mistake by driving everyone into a single marathon format and closing the air for three tv channels, that is, automatically when a certain vacuum of information is created , other sources of information appear, people switched to anonymous social channels in social networks, but i want to emphasize what i see as a huge problem, so i will give an example a few months ago, when the telegram network began to mass-create, i emphasize as a copycat, with the same names in the same style, they began to create tv programs about the distribution of subpoenas where in the mode in real time, they provided information on where subpoenas are being distributed. later, the security service of ukraine announced the liquidation

of several dozens of such channels. i took a cursory look. individual settlements in one city of 100,000. well, i saw that the audience of this local channel about subpoenas is 10% of the residents. i met the export position of representatives of law enforcement agencies who said that these channels are a typical handwriting of the fsb, this is not a ukrainian development, they were created under a copycat, they were created by the special services of the aggressor state, that is, what happened, we close, we semi-paralyze our television space, we open all possibilities to for anonymous sources and as a result we actually told the fsb of the special services of russia welcome to our information market please come in there is trust there is a desire of

readers please work like at home this is just one of the examples, and there are actually quite a few , so these are quite serious things during the war. it is about the fact that we opened our space to enemy structures and this is a mistake in the information and the work of the authorities, and such a mistake must be corrected, and mr. andriyu said absolutely correctly despite the fact that it is about the quality of the pipe about certain journalistic standards, ordinary information can be obtained from various sources, it can be from a neighbor , it can be from facebook, but with this work, in fact , they made a big mistake and now we are getting quite negative results. in addition to all that, the world is looking at us and it also does not like what is happening with freedom of speech in ukraine, but a year has already passed , we are talking about it on our airwaves, we are saying it because we are also one of

the affected parties in this process, so to speak, e- e and we talk about it with the people's elected officials. individual activists talk about it, people who don't care, but it's not moving in any way, and it's not decided what to do to make it change somehow. again, i don't know if the representatives from europe or the united states have it. of the states to america, say no-no-no, dip your finger, i will remind you that we are now between the nigger and the code deguar according to the index of freedom and, accordingly, chaos , but exactly today they do not work, and the mechanisms of government work in certain issues resemble the early middle ages, that is, the will of one person or the will of a group of people in a bank and everything decides, well, please excuse what podolyak said , he is an adviser to the president's office. and what did you say on the air today that they don't like poroshenko and that's why they close

his tv channels, well, it's the same as publicly to admit to the whole world that dear democratic world, we admit that we have serious problems with freedom of speech , we have serious problems with compliance with the rule of law , we have political expediency prevails over the law , well that's sorry to slap ourselves and when now we are talking about european integration when we are talking about the euro-atlantic perspective about the future membership in nato. we must not forget that nato and the eu are not open to rich countries and not to countries in the eu that have certain indicators in certain directions, that is, nato as the military bloc also assumes that membership in nato should be achieved by overcoming corruption, compliance with various standards , including freedom of speech, and now the situation with your channel is the situation, to put it mildly , of a barbaric state that lives according to

the principles of the early the middle ages there, the sultan wanted, the sultan refused, uh, well, if we are uh, we will show such examples to europe and the world. well, now, of course , the number one priority is the war, perhaps many people simply do not pay attention. well, believe me, the first day after the end of the war is about compliance standards of freedom, words about stopping any arbitrariness will be spoken not only by the ambassadors of the big seven, but by the governments and politicians of all democratic states, they will point the finger at us, we will be very ashamed and in the eyes of all of us to make mistakes, and at the same time, it is quite painful. thank you, roman, if it is very brief er, to say whether this situation is actually noticeable with channels on, for example, for our allies , in particular, the numbers that it causes concern , what it actually falls into, or does it affect

this index, in particular, in the ratings, for example, with freedom of speech with freedom in general in the country. according to my feelings, it affects and as far as i remember, somewhere in august and september, it seems that there was even a statement. well, i don't remember exactly which country. are these the members of the big seven, but it seems that the representatives of some influential country already they mentioned a single whole marathon and it has an effect, but maybe no one expected that the situation would drag on like this. that's how the winter went . accordingly, it is still possible that they are restraining themselves from criticizing this situation, but it is closer to autumn. i think that they will express themselves more frankly and

more critically . it's my birthday, trout, the executive director of the public organization, the association of sappers of ukraine, let's add him to our conversation. hmm, actually, to the current head of ours , as i say, something happened to you today, mr. timur. good morning. because by the tail to our last conversation, actually tell us about uh, about the rules for dealing with explosive objects , actually about demining, how they continue, what's going on with this and how much is it worth informing uh, society, how much does our society understand, in what conditions it found itself good in the morning, there are so many questions at once, now i will yes, gradually

. well, first of all, today, as you know, is the international day of enlightenment of changes in danger, or also called the international day of mine action international mine awardens about my nation day uh, that's why we are all so actively conducting our information campaign today, it is precisely aimed at uh, on mine danger, on preserving the lives and health of our citizens , uh, is it necessary to carry it out, yes, it must be carried out and carried out throughout the territory of ukraine, even let's say so regions that suffered relatively less as a result of russian aggression than there, for example , the eastern parts, but unfortunately, an explosive object is now uh, on the entire territory of ukraine, we know this, we emphasized it even before february 24, uh, our

territory is being shelled actually in the transcarpathian region, there were so-called arrivals, and many explosive shells do not detonate and remain . let's just say that they carry a threat in the ground, of course , more than that. well, we understand that there is an active phase of the war, and all this is a dangerous contagion. spread throughout the territory, therefore, it is necessary to carry out and with and it is necessary to even intensify our efforts of all of us even more , but i always emphasize that it is necessary to do it correctly, because there is one of the main principles, let's say, un clusters of protection, yes, yes, so that the cluster is, that is not

to harm because er, in fact, the main goal of these classes is to change the danger, aimed at er citizens, residents, children, everyone . it is wrong to give this information, then after those sessions, the behavior can be changed to even more let's say it is dangerous, that is, there were cases even before february 24 where there are certain organizations, institutions taught there if you saw some object there, consider something else there. that is, it is a crude prohibition from the point of view of anti-mining activities, that is why we always emphasize the implementation of the three golden rules

, this is not suitable. they call the emergency services right away , thank you very much panther timur podstruye executive director of the public organization association of sappers of ukraine was also with us thank you for staying with us marathon on espresso continues and espresso continues, andriy seychuk and i will be back very soon. therefore, please stay with us. it will be interesting. you want to wake up rested and full of strength, but the old mattress hurts all the time, and you can’t find a comfortable position on the sofa. you need to improve your bedroom. place meet the new product from the experts mattress tv mattress stopper kasper ortholight instant solution to the problem of an uncomfortable sofa or an old mattress at a good price for only 999 uah

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