[000:00:00;00] germany did not move so quickly in its decisions, and you all saw how much effort it cost us to convince them to start providing us with these 2 leopards and one leopard, including western-style tanks, but hmm, understanding the domestic politics of germany itself in the last years of the last decades for them is generally such a tectonic shift because what russia did in germany through cultural diplomacy through historical ties through economic ties through energy levers she simply put germany under her influence. and you know, she manipulated for many years until the long 10th anniversary, and by

the way, she was just angels. in 2008, merkel was, well , you know. i guess she was so determined not to give ukraine pdch because once again the position was putin's, he was against it and germany went for it. now germany 's eyes have opened in germany . they hadn't opened their eyes for a long time . that one thank god they understand this and it is accelerating, but unfortunately it costs us tens of thousands of lives on the battlefield. thank you, mr. yehor igor firsov. igor june was recognized as the deputy chairman of the verkhovna rada committee of national security issues, the head of the permanent delegation of the verkhovna rada in the parliamentary

assembly yes thank you mr. chernev for his work in his position and of course on the live air of the espresso tv channel well, we are moving on, yes , today is the anniversary of the unpleasant anniversary of the moment when the espresso tv channel turned off marshmallow t2 and some of our viewers cannot watch us in the usual way , it is still unknown who is responsible for this restriction and why. how the activity of our tv channel has changed during this time, let's see in the material on the anniversary of the turning off of espresso from digital television internationally the legal organization reporters without borders calls on the ukrainian authorities to resolve the situation as soon as possible and return the tv channel the opportunity to fully work, a sad anniversary for freedom to inform in ukraine, april 4, 2022

in 2018, three informational tv channels broadcasting 24 hours a day , espresso, the fifth channel, live, were mysteriously disconnected from the digital channel . espresso sent letters of appeal to the president of the national defense security council of the security service of ukraine by the ministry of defense and the national council on television and radio broadcasting, but there is no clear answer to who and why limited the broadcasting of the channel. we did not receive a petition to resume the broadcast of three media, we collected the necessary number of votes, but the demand remained unheard, the editor-in-chief of the espresso tv channel anastasia rava mentions the most important thing is that we could not explain to our viewers why this happened and when we will return, the leading international ukrainian journalistic organizations insist that media freedoms cannot be restricted if they do not threaten national security in the national

the union of journalists of ukraine supports the development of all media in ukraine that operate in the ukrainian legal field, and we are for the fact that there were equal rules of e-e activity for all tv channels without exception. regardless of whether they are included in the e-e marathon package, guaranteeing media freedom is the main indicator the readiness of the country to become a part of the european union, however, limiting the broadcasting of tv channels does not speed up our entry into the eu. i want to emphasize that freedom of speech is one of the main aspirations and one of the main demands of ukraine, which wants to become a member in the future of the european union and to violate freedom of speech i want to emphasize that it is impossible even during the war espresso continues to speak on the internet in cable networks in ukraine and abroad on two satellites, we are actively developing on youtube and in social networks due to disconnection from t2 espresso lost about 40% of the audience

sums up the director of the tv channel, kateryna yarmolovich. we really hope to return to t2, because this is because this is a part of our audience that , firstly, cannot watch our product , and secondly, the product of the companies with which we we cooperate, and these are international companies , the bbc and radio svoboda and franz 24. the team of the espresso tv channel never offered to join the marathon of single news . lawyers have questions. why did the three opposition tv channels not participate in the production of a joint marathon, if the channel is common, it is national news. it should be in the telethon. after all, it is not clear how this telethon works. well, we see that there are quite a lot of telethon tv channels, but how do they work among themselves? how do they coordinate it, how much do they attract representatives of the authorities, this is not clear and the situation is not transparent, we asked ukrainians what they think about the disconnection of espresso tv channel espresso, for some reason it is not present in

the space of unified news, although well, for example, we watch it via the internet, and there is quality news, if it is there, they turn it off, too there is some reason for that, there is no such thing, or kozivka , some kind from above or some legal reason , i just don’t exclude myself. well, i think that there should be no mono channels in general, it’s a lack of competition and you need to watch different points of view, not negative, journalists and presenters from the press inform the audience about all important events, and military correspondents risk their lives to document the crimes of russia, press teams are still waiting for the moment when the channel with the ukrainian view of the world will return to the digital airwaves espresso well, this is the key story , that is, if we are talking about freedom of speech and compliance with the standards of freedom of speech, in particular at various international platforms, then

a completely natural question arises. why far from all tv channels are represented in the terrestrial broadcasting network t2, and we will talk about this one and others according to anastasia ravy, editor-in-chief of the tv channel espresso glory to ukraine, congratulations, what a year of expresso, without a normal full-fledged broadcast , you can feel some dynamics in the whole process. well, because something happened on a certain night so our tv viewers started clicking on the channels and there is no espresso, but i remember very well how they started writing to me, calling me and saying listen to burkovsky and where are you, why are you not on the air? and ulyana thinks very well, i remember this day. yes, it really started with calls , it started with text messages, with messages on social networks, where are you? why are you not in t2 ? and you really passed a year, uh, a year ago, we asked our audience: where is espresso, when is espresso?

will return to the air, why were you disconnected and a year has come, and there is still no answer to this question, that is, all our efforts to reach the authorities , to the authorized bodies, and to understand what happened. and why were we disconnected, because i will remind you in the story about this it happened, but i will remind you once again, is there any relevant decision about our disconnection of the document, where it was simply written that we should disconnect the espresso tv channel from such and such a number, there are two more ukrainian tv channels there, direct and the fifth , which was disconnected together with us, or the standard surname, the seal of such a document is simply not in nature there are many people who manipulate or refer to the decision of the national security council of march 18, 2022, supposedly because of this decision, we were disconnected from the digital ether, in fact , and the representatives of the national security council themselves give that it is in this decision, we all saw it it is open to the public and not a word is written in it that the espresso tv channel or

any other tv channels need to be disconnected from which date there is no such thing, it just says that we have to provide a unified information policy in the country and this is all a point of other documents they don't exist, and this year we, uh, we are all together, the espresso team, we took a lot of different steps towards representatives of the authorities, we wrote letters to the office of the president of the national security council, the cabinet of ministers, the regulator of the national television council radio broadcast with the question why did you disconnect us for what because we have not committed any violations, we do not have any dogan, our license remains valid, that is , there have never been any complaints against us regarding our content and there are none. and we asked when you will return the answers not yet, i will also remind you that we registered a petition on the website of the cabinet of ministers, and it collected the necessary 25,000 votes. thank you

to all the viewers who participated and signed this petition, and then we will listen normally to what the representative of the nsdc said. volodymyr zveev, and even accordingly, when the hearings are held at the committee, let's listen to the representative of the nsdc, the decision, as they say, to what i say. journalists we have the support of the state department, however, is this case progressing anywhere

, i would like to answer this question. i think so, but unfortunately i do not have this answer. viewers, it really depends on the ukrainian government today, whether the government can admit its mistake today , if the government can admit its mistake and correct it, then the answer to this question will be. then we will know when we are returned to the digital air on today there is no such answer and i just want to emphasize once again that freedom of speech in a democratic country such as ukraine is without a doubt freedom of speech is not empty words and it is one of the criteria for our future and our membership in the union in nato. that is, we are not we can forget about it even during the war, i would even say especially during the war because we are fighting an aggressor with an aggressor country with a terrorist country which was the first thing to do on the path of abandoning democracy on the path of abandoning common

sense she banned independent media, and espresso in ukraine is an independent medispresso, two more tv channels were turned off together with us, and uh, well, in this way, we are just now to ourselves, i mean the ukrainian authorities, closing the way to europe, to the european future, to cooperation with we are our partners and so on. well, we understand. well, the story still continues , that is, there were no possible fresh signals coming in. so, for example, we are ready to help you return to terrestrial broadcasting , and so on. the lack of a signature to which one could appeal, in particular, it refers to the old soviet scheme of pens. here they are , that is, you understand, no one signed anything . you speak

because i want to emphasize that we have always initiated all communication on this issue ourselves, no one addressed us , no one said anything, no one explained, and i thank the people 's deputies who then initiated the holding of the humanitarian committee on our issue, the actual representative the nsdc spoke at that time, but even the people's deputies, unfortunately, could not understand this situation, because they invited all representatives from the ort cannery, who switched the cords directly there, and the zenba and representatives the ministry of culture of the national council all pointed at each other and it's not us and it's not us and it's you and no it's not us and it's also not us but and actually, and now a year has passed, no one is contacting us, of course. that is, we are what today we, for example, have published an open letter on the website of our tv channel. now, a year has passed. we are again contacting the president's office, the national security council, the national

television council, and the authorized bodies with the question of when you will return, and i want to thank everyone very much. international bodies and by various journalistic teams, journalistic organizations that supported us, that expressed their support for us, literally yesterday, you know, there was a statement from the world organization of reporters without borders, they sent and expressed their concern, they called on the ukrainian authorities to resolve the issue as soon as possible and return us to the digital air that is, actually all these statements that were heard, they were heard from people who support us, from organizations that support us, but in no way from representatives of the authorities, well, on the other hand, there is ukrainian tv channels that received a temporary permission for terrestrial broadcasting, what's up with all that? well, because we understand that if there is such a precedent, then why wasn't it applied to espresso? well, 1+1 is possible for pluses, but espresso - no, well, that's also an interesting

question. unfortunately i don’t have it then, because actually this year four different tv channels got a permit, it’s not a license , it’s called a permit for temporary broadcasting in the t2 digital network , it’s due to the laws of wartime, it’s legal, but well, where. that is, it’s 1+1 ukraine - this is ictv-2, this is us, ukraine a newly created channel that was created in the fall and immediately entered the marathon of the only news and, accordingly, received permission for temporary broadcasting, and recently, such permission was also received by the tv channel e-e army tv, that is, another state tv channel, this is one state tv channel. i am not surprised that such a tv channel has appeared, and that in general, its presence in our broadcasting is more justified than , for example, other houses, so to speak

, and so on. and so on and so on. we understand the other side, if, for example, tv viewers just asked me a question, well, we are talking and they say, listen, if you were publishing informational news, maybe it would be worse for you, they would start imposing one or another of their vision on you. and in general, you could to disappear as a unique resource that has its own politics that is not there brightly colored in this or that party flags and so on colors and so on the network of terrestrial broadcasting, yes, it is actually interesting because the espresso tv channel, which is almost 10 years old, has always been an independent tv channel. you know this . you have been working since the first day of ulyan, a little less, and we are an independent tv channel. marathon single news would it be good for us or would it be bad for us in any case we would keep ourselves as an independent media in any case i am sure that the whole team supports me in this we would never

agree with pressure or never agreed with some dark people, if someone called us from somewhere , some high-ranking offices and told us what to say. no , our viewers would never forgive us for this, and we would never do it regardless . our only news would be included in the marathon . did not enter, we are doing our wonderful marathon and i really ask all our viewers to watch nastya, nevertheless, we have a part of viewers who cannot watch us through t2 for reasons we do not understand, where can these people find us besides t2, this is youtube, this is a satellite, this is not only youtube and satellite it two satellites from us always went out on the astra satellite. i am a technician. i will speak very simply because i myself do not know the various settings there, how to do it all, but calls us . if you have a satellite dish, we are either on the astra satellite or on the hotbird hot

bird satellite basically, this is a satellite that covers all european countries, that is, if you are not currently living in ukraine, in poland or in other european countries, you can find us there, too . well, we are in almost all cable operators of ukraine, and we are in many cable operators in europe, in asian countries and in canada, you can search for us everywhere on the internet, any platform available to you, like megogo, we are there in the free, i apologize, in the free package on others, we are not yet advertised on other platforms, too, ipt television , internet television, of course on youtube, please subscribe to us youtube espresso ot tv we also have an english-language youtube spotlight ukraine espresso tv, search there, watch , subscribe, and i just want to add that in fact, we lost a huge

part of our audience when we were disconnected from t2 but well, there is no such thing as something bad without something good, such always gives a balance, and actually this gave us the impetus to develop on other platforms, to develop our social networks , our youtube portal, and we have increased, we have already increased the audience that we lost with the help of these e-e platforms, but of course, for today, if we were to return to t2 tomorrow , our audience would be, well, much more, which will happen in the near future . ethics, co-founder of public radio glory to ukraine andriy, we congratulate you well, the united states state department has defined the ukrainian mass media as partially free, do you remember that phrase about the sister of the second holiness, that is, if they are partially to blame ? perhaps they are not partially free after all , your assessment of the situation with freedom of speech in

ukraine, in particular, taking into account the fact that we at the espresso tv channel today celebrate in quotation marks , of course, the sad anniversary of the throwing of names from the terrestrial broadcasting network t2 without warnings and i'm sorry, so to speak, you can't object to your village gism, and if they are partly free, then they are partly not free. of course, this reminds us of a frying pan, who said that if in nature there is something there, then in another place something will necessarily come. we know that this phrase was tried to be attributed to lomonosov as many who is trying to rewrite ukrainian history rewrite well, you are celebrating in quotation marks , but i just listened to anastasia raga and she proved quite well that where something is lost , something else is gained. and if i were joking, it is very

unfortunate that those in power or those business people do not understand that by depriving the audience of such an interesting channel as espresso, they are in principle not acting in favor of our society, because i am a clear supporter of hearing different voices, if it is about the radio and showing different pictures, if it is about television, and if we talk, for example, about the position the state department, well, in any unclear situation, we do that we look at this or that statement of the pentagon or the state department of the united states or british intelligence. well , here we had a completely official position, so with on the other hand, we understand that the situation has changed. and in the state department, in particular, when it comes to ukraine , there are many other additional, more complex questions about their freedom of speech, but at the same time we remember that the american constitution

freedom of speech does not lie somewhere, you know , 100 km from the essence of the processes that they evaluate both within the state and outside its borders. well, if they give such alarm bells or bells, it means that maybe they really have certain questions or should we rely on the state department in any case because all the problems of ukrainian women and men should be solved first of all by themselves and that is what i will tell you. yes, the espresso tv channel and some others did not give up, they continue to work . you work, you make, in my opinion, interesting and useful programs and so on. i said: we lost somewhere and gained somewhere. and we look less at the state if we can first of all say to ourselves that we are partly free and partly not free

, then we outline the field of activity and methods of activity for ourselves, and i am one of those who is not ashamed to admit that in the soviet i hardly ever listened to voices from abroad. well, to be honest, that’s all i listened to when svoboda was on the radio . it seems like they were reading aloud the work of the oaks, e. nevertheless, we still have, for example, a law on media, which recently entered into force and which is one of the most important points that we have to harmonize with european legislation. and by the way, regarding

this law on media, there are many believes that this is not the way to european integration, the way to censorship how can you correctly analyze this legislative act , what can you say about it, and about it and about any other legislative act, i will say this, a lot depends on how well we know how to apply it and to what extent do we want to apply it and to what extent do we want to allow someone to apply it in due time, the current deputy minister of culture and information policy, taras shevchenko, when we discussed with him one of the normative acts in the ukrainian e-e to the media paul and we did not have the same views, he said, you know andrii , there are a lot of qualified lawyers in ukraine who can justify one or another point of view well, what can you say here, but it's not even about the lawyers who

justify this or that point of view, it's about us and you knew by work for the sake of the audience in our relations with the audience and there were examples in ukraine when, despite the strictest legislation or attempts to interpret the legislation in a stricter way, the connection between journalism and the audience prevented the implementation of these intentions, which some consider it censorship, some consider it pressure. well, once again, i will say without pressure on the mass media in any country , including the united states, which we refer to. but we have our own methods of pressure in response, stay in touch with us anastasia rava in the studio briefly about the law on media p andrii, thank you very much for your support, you

have always supported us and always expressed an honest position . i believe that at the same time, it supposedly brings us closer to the european union, and on the other hand , it distances us from the european union, because, well , we all know that it is a demand of the european union that we finally adopt this law , a bill of laws. this is very good, and on the other hand... in this draft law, for example, we are actually strengthening the state tv channel rada , which used to be just a repeater of the plenary meetings of the verkhovna rada committees. countries can't have state pressure on the media, there can't be state channels that broadcast inside the country and well, really, i think

that it's like that, it's the thing that distances us from democracy, freedom of speech and from europe very much, such a serious story andriy kulikov is with us on 'yazu, chairman of the commission of the journal of poetics, co-founder of public radio i would like you to evaluate another case of quite a few speeches, also a coincidence, not a coincidence, and so on . shevchenko prize, our colleague, a famous journalist, publicist, a person with a powerful journalist, biography, vitaly portnikov became a laureate of the shevchenkov prize, well, at least he decided whether the shevchenkivskyi committee is in charge, but there is still no final signature, and this matter drags on and on and on, maybe it is some kind of technical story, maybe not, but in any case, the chairman of the shevchenkivskyi committee is good for all of us the well-known and respected mr. makarov has given himself the authority to match or not

coincide with andrii, i would first of all call it match or not match and not match or not match i think that it is not at all the coincidence of circumstances is what yuriy did, it is the result of this controversial, well, for me, hopeless situation that arose if the shevchenko committee is endowed with the right, and it is endowed with such a right to determine laureates, then it is necessary that those whom they determined and received this award, and on the other hand, again after all, there is such a delicate question in the legislation if the decision of the shevchenko committee is final , then why should anyone sign it? perhaps in this regard, we need to change the legislation so that its decision comes

into force after it has been adopted again. the decision of the shevchenko committee should not even create a danger that someone in power may not like this decision , to speculate why such a situation arose for athletes, well, the most obvious assumption is that, to put it mildly, he does not always speak favorably of the current government and politics, but to it is necessary not to create such situations in the future. i think the provisions on the shevchenko committee should be changed accordingly in the direction of greater independence of the shevchenko committee. thank you. well , the key criterion that could be somewhere to co-opt this or that draft law, whether the authorities like it or not, thank you very much andriy kulikov, head of the journalistic ethics commission, co-founder of public radio, and

anastasia rava worked in our studio, editor of the espresso tv channel, they talked about viy and not free furniture , so to speak, the media well, we will inform you about the most important thing is, of course, now we are moving to a different format and our colleague serhii rudenko is picking up our information and analytical relay and we are watching the verdict program together, congratulations on sunday evening they blew up another well-known russian propagandist, well, for us there, you know, one more, one less , there is nothing to talk about, it would seem , well, he is too small a figure to be killed by himself to be mentioned at all, but the reaction of russian propagandists to this event is such that it is worth dwelling on this in more detail so , what is known about the murdered man, let's look at