[000:00:00;00] advocacy of ukraine said that it is very important. that is, we have different fronts on which everyone must work, local self-government must work, and our diplomatic and diplomatic front , and of course, that this is fueled every time by some specific victories that are signals on the battlefield, this is very convincing who is talking about this, because in fact , the united states, washington , and the european union also join themselves in those victories, and i even really liked it. yesterday there was a message that there was a small amount of funds which was allocated by romania. yes, but it is a leader in the eastern flank of nato, and what is allocated to ukraine , and we said very diplomatically, thank you, even if it will be the third or fifth or sixth part of one tank and $800,000. we thank you for this as well. for us, these are important funds so that we can win. that is, we understand that this whole system of gathering everyone together will give results and therefore there are no unimportant

processes and things, especially in today's international politics, which is not easy. such parliamentary diplomacy is important, including that is, people from different parties. we hear the signal that the elections are over. finland has come. if only another political force had come, but it was also accepted without appeal. for the finns this is how we understand how difficult their relations were with the russian federation, the soviet union, and so on, that is , at least three times two well, there were at least three wars in the 20th century after that finland took a big, so-called neutral, long pause, and finally she decided, but here i am talking about finland not because i am sincerely happy for her, but because russia received 1300 km of a common border with a nato state, which

knows very well what it is, so to speak thousands of historical territories, she was so afraid. but it is not coming from that side, not from ukraine . ana, look here , well, it is not just about finland , but rather about the procedures of finland. membership has been heard since 2008. yes, do you remember the bucharest one? they told us everything there, and we wrote in those long drawers and so on. it all went on for a long time, but here finland was accepted and they accepted it in an accelerated mode. very nicely preceded by a few more e-e messages, which were, in addition to what i already mentioned about lisbon and the visit of mayor klychka , and i also, in addition to that, yesterday's statement by the previous president of the united states precisely about the fact that you announced ukraine's rejection of the 1994

of its nuclear power, but hmm, in addition to that, there is another important thing that is also key from the point of view of such international events , today is a meeting that is to be held at the nato headquarters, and where kuleba is. by the way , there are six the minister of foreign affairs of hungary began to object, because in this context only hungary and turkey had certain claims against both finland and sweden . this is finland, sweden, this is ukraine, georgia, and this is jordan and australia, jordan, australia, geographically, it cannot be a member of nato due to geographical circumstances, it is not in this atlantic belt, but what does this mean that they accepted the conditional finland and sweden, it means that the next ones will be next in line countries such as ukraine and georgia , so we understand that the countries of sweden and finland had to change a lot in their legislation , what ukraine did in 2019 in february and

we became a country of expanded opportunities year since june, that is, today we are gradually moving step by step in this direction, i did not accidentally mention the nuclear status because the alternative and yesterday it was absolutely confirmed by clinton, the former president of the united states, that actually if it were possible ukraine then he also regrets that he will force us to give up this nuclear status. this would be a guarantee of our security today, that's why nuclear blackmail continues, that's why today we very often have many different such statements, but we understand that this behavior will be today we can see such a russian pro-axis in the european union, of course, nato, who is doing something there, you know that, for example, turkey and hungary, because of their statements, are not invited to the great democratic form that will be in washington, and this is already a signal yes, we have the expected next meeting. yes, it is a big one, you can say more like a pr election move, a meeting that should be in turkey, but

the statements are that putin is actually going to come and no one can understand what in turkey, there is no ratified rome statute, that is, it will not be possible to arrest him there , a criminal who, by the way, was sentenced for and the fact that the children were taken out of ukraine for a long time, but we have another uh-uh , let's say this signal, understanding that changes can also take place in turkey in force those circumstances, some such interaction , there are elections, they actually play such a key role from the point of view of the behavior of leaders, that is , it is important for us today to follow how many different such processes are taking place on all continents in all countries, and why is this it is important because in fact now a lot of things have been shortened in time, that is, some events that you could have expected and democratic procedures , well, let's say that this could have lasted for a certain period of time, we have many such accelerated processes of the process of ethoch, which was used to join nato, which finland or what

sweden, therefore, as of today, there are a lot of examples and scenarios of what can be predicted for ukraine from the point of view of strengthening its security, and because in reality it is not easy and this struggle. well, we we all understand very well that it is not, but tomorrow we won and everything is fine . so we have to build up our nation by militarizing it in society in order to stand to be a country and well, probably our mission is that of ukrainians is to help the world to be a security competitor and to do a lot now for that in order to actually change the situation , you have to do your homework , so to speak, in particular, now we are adding to our marathon oleksandr lemenov, a lawyer, an expert in anti-corruption policy, so we will say , mr. oleksandr, we congratulate you good evening we are talking about the agency for the search and management of assets. today, society's attention is focused on something. some people say that

it is not very effective and it can and should be disbanded . is everything so obvious and what is your opinion on this topic , well, look, it is actually taken from the search for management of interactives that should exist, but at the moment there is a certain political contention among the top management of the state regarding the fact that the management function should be transferred to the foundation because the spina fund demonstrates a really completely different efficiency in the context of the functions assigned to it, changes are needed under the law, if the relevant decision is adopted, it means changes to the law , the transfer of the management function to the state property fund , and the search must remain in the army, at the same time, it should be noted that the leadership of arma should be dismissed there, the competition has been brought to an end , the current one, because there is a competition for

the permanent election of the head of the agency, or a restart of the competition and re-conduct and elect a normal leadership that will carry out those functions already there. as i understand the search functions, how is the process of seizing these assets currently taking place, because everything must be as transparent as possible. ukraine must surely be the flagship among the states that are currently engaged in the seizure of russian assets, because for us it is most urgent to withdraw arma there is no relation to the imposition of arrests , because i have a participant in the criminal process and the applicable criminal procedure code, they only receive property by court order that they must effectively manage or if there is such it is necessary to sell it quite successfully in order to convert the money there, as it is currently happening, military bonds , well, according to oleksandr, we understand that the story

of internal institutional transformation should also take place, in particular. they didn't have, but he started talking about the story with potassium and what else and ammonia, so in particular, which are traded on some such platforms with losses for the state, the question now is about attracting according to the competence of law enforcement officers, at the same time, law enforcement agencies are really working before the investigation, in other words, because i know that nabu is definitely engaged in this. and regarding the belarusian potash of the russian army, the arch of participation and sale through the dnieper vaz-2101 more than six months ago , for example, i wrote about potash on september 6, 2002 year, and it’s someone’s responsibility to ensure that the commission headed by yaroslav zaliznyak

was detailed. and form the agenda there, because the commission my colleague is a partner on this square glybka no, this is a topic that we have been raising for a long time well, it is very good that the commission headed by zheleznyak has also started well, where are the other members of zberenetsk? everything within the framework of the tsk well, they found out that it is true that all of you were omitted that i nominated earlier , they are true that there were certain underpayments of certain revenues for the state, well , potential revenues, because it does not immediately go to the budget, you are arrested, yes, there is were summing up from the side more well, from the side of the army there is absolutely no transparency, but oleksandr, stay in touch with us in our studio oksana yurynets, people's deputy of ukraine of the previous convocation, a member of the network for the protection of national interests, ants well , accordingly, on the one hand, we understand yes, there are russian assets or were there russian assets

they should, so to speak, be nationalized, arrested , and handed over to the ukrainian owners , it is clear that there is a corresponding structure, respectively , the arma agency, it is also clear and cool that it exists , but surely something must be done so that it functioned in the appropriate way, i don’t know whether it is a generally accepted european way or some other way, so how do we do it right, so to speak, so that when we spit out the water, we don’t splash the baby, as far as i know, there are now many experts who deal with this. i know that the president’s office has appointed mr. kryuchkovsky there are several international lawyers who help in the search, because in fact the main goal is to find whatever officers and oligarchs of the russian and central banks so that they can, so that they can show us yes because no one will do our work for us, it is clear that there are signals when in those countries - they say that well, at the expense of these funds, we may be paying off some debts for the country in some other way, but

this is very important work from the point of view of when we say that there interest in ukraine will be lost, every country lives with its own problems, because everyone understands that it is permanent after covid. and it is all very difficult in the race for such e-e weapons, which is for every country . now, from the point of view of the threat, we understand that we have to say that they don't have it be the funds of your state, these should be funds, and when the russian oligarchs brought them here to you, they must be returned why because you caused damage, their weapons of the russian federation caused damage to ukraine, and here it seems very important to me. i agree with my colleague, in fact, that everyone should e- to make, let's say, the synchronization of all those processes of the public sector of professional lawyers. i am sure that many such organizations to which the tribute is assigned are on public grounds, and people today are, let's say, soldiers of other fronts, because this the same great struggle and it is also not easy to actually do this work to seek out to show search for those beneficiaries, you understand where they are, i

will tell you frankly. i remember that in 2014 , when the regional council voted, let's say that there was the use of subsoil such a company annie, then i was already in the verkhovna rada, reading some other documents, and found that the owner of this italian company annie is actually a russian representative of the russian federation . therefore, there is a lot of work now, and anyone who feels professional can look for it information is not always open, that is why many hands and bright minds are needed to get involved and start doing this work here. of course, coordination must be the state from the point of view of who determines the structure and who will interact together, because having information is another way to prove it is legally correct from the point of view of international law - it is an evidence base, that is, you need to have evidence, you need to have confirmed information, and then look for mechanisms in what way at the level of government treaties, there between government treaties these funds should be returned so that they well, and by the way, one more recognition

of the genocide against the ukrainian people, that's one more let's say this is an additional plus and what we could hear last week was such a well-known person in the world who is the prosecutor of the gads tribunal, where he was involved genocides in different countries. that is, we understand that the strengthening of such knowledge and re and we will say this for the sake of convincing that it must be done, actions can be taken by absolutely anyone who has the opportunity to do so, an expert in anti-corruption policy, well, we are actually talking about how we can make the activity of the army as effective as possible, how to actually find these assets, and another important question is what to do with them in ukraine, because there are just as many of them in ukraine, how to sell them, to whom to transfer them for use, and how to do it in an open and transparent manner and actually, for example, we have a corresponding platform, why, for example , all this is not done through it. and in your opinion, oleksand

oleksandr, russian assets and collection of the revenue part in the income, and then in the interests of the state through the decision of the corruption investigation the court that follows. after filing a lawsuit with the ministry of justice, this is a completely different story. there is also a third recovery mechanism through the verkhovna rada. they had property seized from three banks, plus we must not forget that the sovereignty of the russian federation is there. and there are assets of private individuals that are directly related. is a resident of the russian federation and is connected with armed aggression. therefore, these are all completely different things, well, this is what we are saying inside ukraine. the economic rural federation in ukraine has sunk its claws too deep in order to take everything away very quickly. therefore, it is impossible

after the decision was made before the corruption court, if it enters into force by the decision of the cabinet of ministers, it must be transferred to the entrance of the samaha, an inventory is carried out, after that only be the relevant property for sale is not a quick story. thank you, it can be done quickly, well, it is unrealistic, although you are not talking about foreign assets, what we were promised there was 35,400 billion or this or that property there the quality of the house and so on of the russian oligarchs is a completely different story for everyone who does not have it, the legal mechanism and the rest of the confiscations of the sale, transfer and transfer of the corresponding funds in ukraine, therefore the most important thing for us now as a state is to rely on the armed forces of ukraine and what is happening there in the context of the arrested assets that are transferred to the army, but now it will probably pass through the functional to

the state property fund - this is another story and to thank because it is part of our democratization as a country oleksandr leminov was in touch with us lawyer-expert in anti-corruption policy, one more important topic of ms. oksana, we cannot bypass it with you, topic a-a transition in such a way simple or difficult church of the moscow orthodox church to the orthodox church of ukraine headed by epiphany our glorious metropolitan so the good news came from in this direction, the congregation of the lviv cathedral of the uoc mp voted for the transition to the orthodox church of ukraine and the church held its first service in the ukrainian language

. mp what's on the streets what's on bobanicha street the former korolenko street on wednesday today voted for the transition to the orthodox church of ukraine in the morning the congregation gathered in the cathedral well, this process was accompanied by small discussions in raised tones, so to speak, but thank god there were no provocations and as noted by the head of the lviv of the regional military administration maksym kozytskyi i hope that in the near future the church will become a garrison temple of the psu and so i would like to include now volodymyr vyatrovych, people's deputy of ukraine, a member of the committee of the verkhovna rada on humanitarian and information policy well, oksana yurynets is a professor of the national university of lviv national polytechnic of ukraine, mp of ukraine of the previous convocation, and in the espresso studio, this is information for the metrovych guy. yes, glory to ukraine, mr. volodymyr. on korolenko

is transferred to the police station . well, this is already a true signal, so to speak . we see the big package, we are talking about the draft law under number 82-201, prospects and solutions. unfortunately, you know , these are isolated cases that can certainly inspire, but they cannot systematically change the situation in ukraine. how many parishes do we have? we will wait for the stability of eh, which now belongs to the uoc mp, so we will wait so long until such events take place that i am not very good that there are public initiatives in nazar, it is very good that it finally happened in lviv, it is very good that it happened on

khmelnytskyi, but i am convinced that we are living in a very difficult time, a time of a full-scale war, where in particular the question of the church , especially the russian church in ukraine, is the father-in-law and element of this war, so we do not have the luxury of stretching it out for many, many days, hoping that in each such community there will be those people who will understand the harmfulness of this church's affiliation with the russian church , that's why i am convinced that a draft law that can reformat all of this into state policy has been ripe for a very, very long time i let me remind you of this draft law, which he named, it passed the appropriate stages of approval already at the committee, the expert committee on humanitarian information policy back in december of last year. i am convinced that if was voted , and now the situation would be completely different. now these are isolated cases of the transition that are unsystematic. now, in the end, we would

have solved the issue that has been brewing for a very long time , since the beginning of the declaration of independence of ukraine on the prohibition of the russian agency that operates in ukraine under the cover of the russian orthodox church, volodymyr , is there any explanation why this draft law does not actually pass, it is not brought to the floor if there is approval from the committee, it is not, unfortunately, not the only case when those drafts that have already passed the committee in principle, the relevance of which does not leave any doubts and is not brought to the courtroom, unfortunately, this is completely the responsibility of the monomajority, which simply blocks in this case the consideration of this particular draft law, which is extremely it is necessary and for me, unfortunately, it is a certain warning that what is this struggle with the russian agents in full-dress well, actually , it is not final from the side of the state leadership , unfortunately, there is still room for a possible compromise, which, in my opinion, is

absolutely inadmissible and incorrect. do you think it is worth intensifying, in what format in general, in your opinion, should there be a draft law that would allow to finally settle the history with the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow or the russian patriarchate, that is, on the one hand i want to be wise with the other, on the other hand, which is volodymyr petrovich, well, you can’t walk with the nativity scene, you know, in every parish where there are some or the other, so to speak, about russian figures, especially based on the recent incident in the khmelnytskyi region, we must understand that in time, as many of them as possible will work. well, this probably became a coach and the events that happened later in other regions of ukraine, and in fact i agree with my colleague that 8221 is the law that was in place for a while

, which regulates and shows prospects, i.e. of course, there is a proposed mechanism for the mechanism of transition, but from the point of view of property, the settlement of all other issues. i believe that this is already such a thing that should definitely be without emotional . unfortunately, we have had this war for nine years. i remember the way of transition since the 8th convocation of ours and a number of bills that were adopted from the point of view of autocephaly for ukraine and the acquisition of the ukrainian church, that is, today we all understand that sooner or later the question of unification of churches will definitely arise and we have a difficult path now, but what we talked with you at the beginning that there are several different fronts that must be maintained and the path is overcome only by those who go and we must go and it is very important that we understand all this that we are a legal state, a democratic state, and therefore i absolutely agree that when we will have this law which is the more that it is prescribed, it will be clearly regulated eh let's say so that

it will be further understood clear scenarios for what and how will develop in ukraine, therefore i am absolutely for such emotionless some things but a clear right step from the point of view of that what ukraine needs today. i think these three heroes are different. we heard information today from chernivtsi region where our heroes who died were not buried. that is, there is a lot of such information that surely shortens what we once said was being done for a long time. now many processes are being done faster. it was further reinforced accordingly and by the legislative base so that it was finally understood about the communicated here is what would be important volodymyr petrovych is in touch with us, historian, people's deputy of ukraine former director of the institute of national remembrance of ukraine well, how can we even implement, forgive me for such vulgarism , i don't know church lustration. yes, we understand that some priests will transfer and will try to join the ptu for one reason or another, but on the other hand, we understand

that among them there may be people who were engaged openly or not openly in the promotion of the russian world in ukraine, accordingly, it should be done wisely , but it should be done because we understand that the church of separation from the state and i personally are against if the state will take on the function, so to speak, of organizing church life, that is, it should be some kind of church initiative, but on the other hand, there should be some criteria by which, so to speak, the chaff of the church could be separated from the healthy grain, because there are many very normal and decent people who, due to certain reasons, ended up where they ended up , i am not in the business of justifying them well, but our country is not easy either. i am convinced that i absolutely agree with you that it should be just a function of the orthodox church of ukraine, which should develop its own methodology regarding which sacred ministers of this russian orthodox church can be accepted into

the bosom of this church, who, unfortunately, do not have the right to do so, on the one hand, on the other hand, even the desire of someone from er, let's talk about the former priests of this rpc. transferring to the pcu absolutely does not eliminate the need for the state if you. if the state. authority to bring any acts of collaborationism to account under these articles, which are already provided for in the criminal code for collaborations, that is, we have a double, obviously , such a lustration conditional mechanism, one intra-church and the other, again, i want to say something obvious that these people have as well as any which other citizens of ukraine are responsible if they took any steps that were directed against the ukrainian state kyiv-pechersk lavra, mr. volodymyr

, how dynamically is this process moving the return, so to speak, of the removal of unscrupulous tenants from the premises belonging to the state, but also the return of this shrine to the ukrainian people in the person of the ukrainian churches of the historical ukrainian denominations, which are, respectively, one in communion with rome, the other in communion with constantinople, or dynamically in istanbul is moving and is convinced that it will not move dynamically until there is a correct and appropriate legislative framework, now the main impetus for this process to move is the fact that the ministry of culture would terminate the lease for this russian orthodox church on the territory of the pechersk lavra, but this is currently the only legal basis for these processes. so, if it were to be adopted , a law would be passed that, in principle, makes it impossible to use any church buildings

of the russian orthodox church of ukraine , obviously the situation would be different, it is obvious that we did not have to squeeze this russian church out of each church separately, it was transformed into a normal, large-scale , systemic process well, finally, volodymyr and how might the situation look with the pochaiv lavra, which is also an ancient ukrainian shrine and which was organized by the ukrainian greek-catholic church or the uniate church when this process was going on? it is obvious that the further fate of the use of this lavra by some ukrainian churches must be decided by the ukrainian churches. institute of national memory of ukraine thank you, mr. volodymyr, we must not forget that we still have the sviatohirska

lavra and it is still standing there, ah, this is an important question, because the sviatohirska lavra was also under the moscow patriarchate, it is interesting there now by the way, hardly is there someone there because the hostilities took place there? and actually , is there something a little different about the svyatohoris lavra than , for example, the kyiv-pechersk lavra or the pochaiv lavra? to give an example of strategizing such processes so that people in the places of time could not do it so that people in the places of time could not cope with some kind of stupidity, but if people are not the time for some kind of stupidity, then everything happens according to the law clearly and specifically and very well, so if the energy starts to turn on some unforeseen things can

happen to us and what we should have avoided. and let us remind you that we had the same thing in the studio . in the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe in 2018-2019 thank you for participating in our broadcast, we remind you that in half an hour we expect a live broadcast from warsaw, where there will be a joint performance of panje-duda and volodymyr zelensky in the royal palace, we will broadcast it live, so stay with the espresso we well, we will say goodbye to you after an important press conference, but now , i hope serhiy rudenko, his verdict program will precede the presidential press conference, thank you glory to ukraine, this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today , april 5, 406, the day of the heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers