[000:00:00;00] oksany yurynets, professor at the national university of lviv polytechnic, former member of parliament and head of the ukrainian delegation to the parliamentary assembly of the council of europe in 2018-2019. - bagpipes and volodymyr zelenskyi in the royal palace, we will broadcast it live, so stay with the espresso, and intin and i will say goodbye to you, an important press conference, and now, well i hope serhiy rudenko, his verdict program will precede the presidential press conference, thank you glory to ukraine , this is the verdict program, my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today , april 5, the 406th day of the heroic struggle of the ukrainian people against the russian occupiers zelensky today with a visit to poland

, macron of china one from the topics of discussion between the president of france and the leader of china, the situation in ukraine, the war in ukraine, meanwhile , vice prime minister iryna herashchuk advised ukrainians who live temporarily territories occupied by the russian federation to go to third countries before the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine as of the morning of april 5 , russia has already lost 176,240 people in ukraine in the last day alone, the armed forces of ukraine destroyed 535 orks with the beginning of the great war , the russians have already lost in ukraine has 3,629 tanks , 7,0005 armored combat vehicles , 2,707 artillery systems, 532 rocket launchers, 280 anti-aircraft defense systems, 306 aircraft, 291 helicopters, 5,573

vehicles, 18 ships. boats, 911 cruise missiles, 2,283 drones, 299 units of special equipment, the armed forces of ukraine will be in crimea until the summer, zelenskyi is in poland and at ryshkin in nur, we will talk about all this for the next hour. politician, people's deputy of ukraine of the eighth convocation p igor good day and good health to you, i am glad to see you on our broadcast glory to ukraine glory to the heroes and we have a connection from poland bianka zalevska polish journalist, volunteer, laureate of the state department of the united states of america brave women we welcome bianka to our broadcast bianko greetings good day serhii dobrogo to everyone and good day to the visala team glory to ukraine and glory to poland because today there is a big

negotiation between volodymyr zelenskyi behind ange duda and i know that in warsaw , a big speech is expected on volodymyr zelenskyi square, bianko, tell me how poland is meeting zelenskyi today, because all the past times when president zelenskyi appeared in of poland he was passing through the republic of poland, what will happen today and what has already happened with zelenskyi's visit to poland well, as we all already know, president zelenskyi and his wife unr are in poland at 11 a.m. flat time, president duda i met them. well, it is a very, very big event in poland, and i was even a little surprised . and there is much less information about this visit in ukraine, but i realized that there is much more important information in ukraine. in ukraine, there is

also very difficult information every day, and in poland for the last two days. it's just a number one in all e-e news in all services, everyone is talking about it. today, so many people asked me what will be fought back and how, well, the most important thing is that the president will meet. he plans to meet with poles and ukrainians who live in poland in an open space. this er, the royal castle in warsaw, there should be two thousand people there, and those who are not even in the league can come to this square until the meeting, they can be near the royal castle, there will be two medicines, there are such large screens that you can watch the live broadcast and the speech of the presidents, er, everyone waiting for the speech of president hrazowski, it is very, very important for poles because poles now well, i think that our country has never been as close

as it is now, well, we are almost all together here, there are many ukrainians, they live with us, we work every day, as neighbors, we meet at different moments and this meeting has two such dimensions i think and it is symbolic that any meeting and the second i think practically and that everyone is waiting for this big treaties you can say that in polish it says that we approve the treatise the sun is a piece of er if we'll see. thank you, benko. and are they commenting on ryzhkin's statement in poland? he was in belarus yesterday and talked about what the poles said, and poland is determined that in the event of ukraine's loss in this war, it will take the regions of ukraine for itself, that is, in general, or is it in the information space? is it somehow commented on in poland, luckily today it is not

in the information space porsche . go to belarus, ilya there, russia, and why are they asking us? so, i think , what is the information already? now, i lived in the square . i was visiting the president of ukraine and his wife . habits. so that you have a very courageous president and his wife, and the whole world looks at them as a symbol of indomitability, and this symbol of indomitability comes to the fore. well, i think that we are also a little bit proud of that , thank you, bianca, thank you for including this bianka zalevska was our polish journalist

a colleague of ours was recently in poland and a person who received an award from the state department of the united states of america, brave women , let's go back to our conversation with igor lapin, major, of course, i mentioned about naryzhki about his visit to belarus , meetings with lukashenka, we will now listen to a small fragment of that what naryshkin said. i understand that what he is saying is the usual russian propaganda, propaganda and the narrative that they constantly carry about the fact that poland wants to take part of the territory from us and yet we will hear and comment on this acquisition of control over the western territories in modern ukraine by the so-called former godfathers of poland in the east is such a longed-for dream of polish nationalists and it is already becoming an element of national ideology, therefore

the polish leadership cannot refuse this idea of ideas, hmm, the collapse of ukrainian statehood as a result of a military defeat, and therefore the polish government does not want and opposes the peaceful settlement, assures that it will be оказывать постоянную помощь so, major, this was the prelude before zelensky's visit to poland. yesterday we know that finland joined nato. i understand that russia is now afraid that nato will expand to their western borders and to our eastern borders , that we will join nato and now they are trying to somehow end it or at least make us quarrel with the poles

, right? well, first of all, all these statements are aimed at their internal consumer, and we can draw such a conclusion because precisely today the russians are starting their propaganda tour, already in relation to poland, and it concerns the fact that they are allegedly fighting against nato and helping the ukrainian people to fight against nato, well , that is, somewhere in this context, they are talking about it today, as in principle they said before that we are supposedly alone here the people and so on, you know, unfortunately, today we are discussing what they said in the swamps, the poles are wiser, they do not introduce this garbage into their information space. and we introduce we are discussing, and i will tell you that after watching our program today, somewhere in the depths of their souls, the parishioners of the moscow patriarchate will be even more convinced that ukraine wants to be taken over by nato because they cannot filter information like

you and i, we are smart and they will not filter it and they will continue the same propaganda already in our information field already on the territory of ukraine , that's why i said it and say it and will continue to say it , stop listening to good russians, all good russians are in black garbage bags, the rest everything there is nothing to contribute here. once upon a time in the 14th year, i had two brothers like that, by the nicknames lyolik and bolik . they were two poles. they were very wise. they said that rus should be beaten here in ukraine, because he was just arriving . it will be very, very, very bad for the polish, and they were very wise and they did it, and we drag everything to ourselves , including these russian narratives in the information space, and that's why i think that this should not be done. this is my position, of course

i understand that we have to study the enemy, i would i would learn the russian language only in order to be able to interrogate their prisoners, i don't need it anymore, and i think that's why i already mentioned that yesterday was a big day for nato and for finland , because the 31st country is not of the north atlantic of the alliance and this country is finland. president zelensky said that he congratulates the finnish people and personally the president of finland on joining nato. well, he hopes that this year's summit of the north atlantic alliance in vilnius will be ambitious. soon, ukraine will also will be a member of nato and its security will be guaranteed, we will hear from zelensky

, i congratulate the entire people of finland and mr. president personally, and with a reliable guarantee of security, a collective guarantee, russian aggression clearly proves only collective guarantees, only preventive guarantees can be reliable, this is exactly what we always talked about the speed of security solutions is important . now we can see what the speed of the procedures can be. by the way, nato itself deserves to be more ambitious this year , the more ambitious the one who preserves freedom the more there is less opportunity for aggression from those who want evil. there will be a day when security for our country will be guaranteed. so finland is the 31st nato member country. sweden will obviously be the 32nd. how likely is it, mr. majora, that ukraine will become the 33rd nato member country? well, what will we become? i am a member of nato in this other guarantee of security for ukraine against further encroachments by moscow and russia . well, unfortunately, we will not receive it here. i can already say about what i heard from the president

of ukraine. i am very glad that he is happy for our friends and for our -e partners for finland ya i am very glad. only for some reason i did not hear in the 10 steps of the peace plan from zelenskyi . not a single word about the fact that we are going to nato nato does not exist, moreover, i want to remind you that at the beginning of the war it was in february, if i am not mistaken , in march, against the background of preparations for negotiations of possible negotiations with the russians, zelensky said that ukraine is even ready to abandon nato, so i cannot understand where he is lying today it looks cynical for me personally, that is, on the one hand, he says very nice things and at the same time there is no word nato in the 10 steps of the program

. so are we going to join nato or not? i want to remind your viewers and listeners that in our country , ukraine is fixed in the constitution in our the european course and the course of the country towards nato, where did the nato point in the peace program go from zelenskyi, a rhetorical question, do you think that zelenskyi and his team are still trying to reserve maneuvers for themselves if it is necessary to sign a peace agreement and leave this point out of the way, so that it is possible to calmly do it correctly . well , i think so, considering what zelenskyi's team did before the start of the negotiations. the statements from the office of the president sounded, and in confirmation of my words there is another statement

made by president zelensky er in this world demonstrating that plan of peace from ukraine , i emphasize once again there is no word nato no from words in general, that's why i doubt the sincerity of these congratulatory words that we voiced today, that president zelenskyi said in relation to our partners to finland, and when he talks about ukraine, i hope that we will also become a member of nato. pay attention to this plan from zelensky where there is no nato and one more thing, well, it is not only a military union, it is not only a political union, nato is justice , nato is the anti-corruption policy of the state , there are no eggs for 17 hryvnias in the end, you understand what is the difference between nato and to become nato? at least we need to do our homework, which we all say that we

have done a lot in the direction of nato, but in fact the issue of corruption policy in the ministry of defense did not go anywhere, and not only in the ministry of defense in general in the state of ukraine, that is why this story looks even more cynical to me when , on the one hand, we welcome our partners , declare our readiness, that we will be , we also believe in it, i am talking now about the president of ukraine, and on the other hand, he is not includes this step in this program of peace, which we are all trying to achieve, because peace is not only the successes of ukraine on the battlefield, peace is what will happen after the war, that is, the possibility of some kind of agreement that will be signed after our victory with fragmented russia due to some reason i know who we are there, who will be there from russia. will it be the same russia at that moment. but nevertheless, we must have some security guarantees for ourselves. i want to remind you that we are not a nuclear

country. and across from us is a stupid neighbor with a nuclear mace. so who will guarantee this security, the zelenskyi who is leading us to nato or the zelenskyi who does not mention nato in the context of future negotiations with russia , now mr. igor, we have two fucking neighbors with nuclear weapons, because belarus is also joining . russian defense minister serhiy shoigu said that lukashenko promised weapons, aviation and iskander, which can deliver nuclear strikes , has already been delivered to belarus . belarus has been handed over the iskanderm tactical missile complex, it can use both conventional and nuclear missiles. so, major

, the self-proclaimed president of belarus, lukashenko , is turning belarus not only into a military base , but also into one of the points on the world map that can be a retaliatory blow has been struck, if they launch tactical nuclear weapons from there, tactical nuclear missiles may also arrive there in response, including tactical nuclear weapons. according to you , why is putin taking these steps in order to keep this imaginary border that is in his head between russia and nato, although finland joined there and added 1,300 km of the common border between finland and russia, that is , on the contrary, nato is expanding, expanding further to the east, and they have already brought weapons here to belarus for that to thunder there with a nuclear arsenal, putin understands that even such

steps do not stop the expansion of the dates will stimulate nato to take steps in order to protect itself from the russian federation. там где зачанияться русский язык is what their classics said. and today we have that putin does not consider belarus as a separate territory, a state or a state entity that is independent in making decisions from the fact that putin veiled there eskander is one story and who has the start button from this with kandera well, that is, we understand that this is the expansion of the presence of russian troops in addition to some argument on the territory of russia, which is still called belarus because well, because it it's still called that, although in principle it's only a name that remains. i don't believe in the struggle

of the belarusian people against the lukashenko regime . i see how they silently watch and think that they're cooking. but were the nuclear warheads imported, and here i think the western partners are quite good at this situation , monitors the issue of the delivery of nuclear weapons to the point of detonation, as they say, this is one story, but they can be destroyed in the context of moments of the fight against the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons, they can be destroyed on the way, they can be destroyed in the places of deployment. but it will already be on the territory of belarus that lukashenko is throwing the country under these blows , well , this is a fact. they are melted there, i don’t know, there are some nuclear mines there. well, it’s possible

. well, it’s their choice, but i want to say that the issue of nuclear delivery of weapon cores does not lie only in the plane of an additional cander on the territory of belarus, if we are talking about the issue of russia's struggle against nato. i want to say that the kaliningrad region and the launch vehicle that is in the baltic waters. they can also carry nuclear weapons. however, the question is what is the button for whom and where does the head itself lie if the western world swallows it and allows it that nuclear warheads will be placed on the territory of belarus well, then we will wake up to completely different realities, a reality that contradicts the generally recognized norms about the non-proliferation of nuclear weapons on the territory of non-nuclear countries if russia did it statement ignoring china's position well, to be honest, i don't believe in the courage of putin or the courage of lukashenka, who the day before went to china. i think that this statement was made only

for the sake of the statement itself, because that's how to abandon the only partner, well, i don't think so. and we know china's position, which is always differed exactly uh well, let's say this, in the posture of non-proliferation of nuclear weapons and in this situation, i think that this is still a statement for the sake of the statement itself, but in principle , crazy bunkers are even more so, so i won't be surprised if they throw belarus under some kind of another blow. things i want to say that until the moment when the nuclear warhead has not taken off with the missile and has not entered combat mode, it is just a nuclear dummy. well, it can be called a nuclear dirty bomb, as some experts say, and it is a dummy in itself that can be destroyed by conventional means of destruction, including sabotage groups yes, yes, it will be a dirty nuclear bomb that will not have that destructive force, but it will infect the territory where it will be detonated, and if lukashenko needs another chernobyl zone on

the territory of belarus, well, he will do it like this he eats and does, and the western partners will stand on the ropes, or they will, let's say, watch how the group that destroyed the nord stream 2 will destroy nuclear weapons in belarus, or they will not watch it , but here, first of all, this threat concerns our western partners just more because that we already have a neighbor with a nuclear grenade . yes, this is russia and it is already fighting against us. the question of whether belarusians will join belarus in the war or not belarus will enter the war is a question of a completely different discussion, but those are my thoughts a few days ago, the self-proclaimed president of the republic of belarus spoke before the national assembly in front of the parliament and addressed the people, talking about the fact that a truce between ukraine and russia is needed as a condition if we are talking about

the decision to regroup troops on the part of both ukraine and russia also without the right to transfer weapons, ammunition and military equipment . well, of course. obviously, in this situation, lukashenko is trying to help in some way, or at least relays putin's thoughts that russia needs a truce in order to tighten troops in order to bring more weapons to bring more mobilized er to the front line, according to your opinion, is there a point where the investigators say that lukashenko is already completely under the control of er putin and already another one there is no way out, because now he is trying to play some kind of peacemaker and demonstrate something and say that without my knowledge nothing

will happen in this country at all, or is it already a cross on lukashenka and belarus, which he now leads, well at least you can put it well , to be honest, what does that bad mouth register there? to be honest, i am not interested in that lukashenka because he is not independent in what decisions he makes and the fact that today the belarusian soldiers , being already on the territory of ukraine in february, raked in and they understand what is here and the fact is the fact, well, there is nothing to refute it, but the main as they say, the lion's share of the armed forces of belarus is not moving anywhere, they are intended to protect the lukashenko regime, when they enter ukraine , they are simply raking in, and lukashenko , god forbid, in this situation, he will lose everything that brings him in the first day

dividends yes, we are talking about the mozersk plant, er, the oil refinery, are there also ammonia processing plants there, this is all in the zone of destruction of our troops, and if a belarusian soldier decides to cross our border, i think that the answer should be already an indisputable question of independence for the whole of europe, and let the whole of europe will also hear about the visit of the president of ukraine. poland turned out to be a truly fraternal country. the seven achievements of the past year are not only the improvement of ukrainian-polish relations, but also the construction of the peace plan. economic plan for the future. today we told each other that

there are already several hundreds of poles ready to take part in the recovery of ukraine. they will have the priority, as well as the victory of ukraine as soon as possible, that is, in the reconstruction of these countries. therefore, this visit is also extremely important. that we are shaping the image of future europe today, the kremlin and putin, moscow wanted the end of ukraine, but today we see that this war is the beginning of the end of aggressive russia as we know it and the beginning of a completely new one europe is the beginning of a completely new europe. poland was the first to warn against russia and the first to support ukraine today. poland wants to be the first to participate in the plan to rebuild ukraine , and i am convinced that

this will happen together with the calculation of russia's crimes. we want real peace. we do not want to mistake peace for peace. calm down, because some people are urging us to end the hostilities as soon as possible , that ukraine surrendered, surrendered, surrendered part of the territory of russia, there is no question of returning to relations with barbaric russia without calculating its crimes, but it must be said that ukraine itself will determine these conditions for the security of peace, what we all would like today, but it depends on ukraine, you can only build on the truth and this also applies to our countries, we had a very difficult history between our peoples at times but today is the time to write this story in a new way and

base it on the truth, and we also talked about this with you, president zelenskyi, today here in my office in his office, about the tragic crime in volyn, about how we should investigate the truth, get consent to exhumation, we are working very hard on this and we know that putin's smears reach far , we will cut them off everywhere in business, in sports , we want russian athletes to participate in sports competitions, that is why we will interview the international olympic committee about the withdrawal of russian athletes from competitions warsaw, what are the two capitals of freedom? warsaw is two freedoms . loyalty to the capital and we know that on this history we can all build a new safe europe and nato security. poland is ready

to be the leader of europe. we are talking to our as partners of the western city, we need to work according to how to build this security architecture, and the visit of president biden in poland to warsaw and before that in kyiv confirmed that poland is precisely this e-e mouthpiece of transcript relations. poland also highly appreciates in this context the role in of the united states, but i also want to say that today poland is the subject of attacks by russian spies and trolls. all propaganda is effective in all possible fields . we see these actions of russian spies in the last we, for example, made a network of russian agents