[000:00:00;00] who committed war crimes and other serious crimes in ukraine, first the invasion of the russian federation into our territory. glory to ukraine, this is a verdict program. my name is serhiy rudenko. good day and good health to all. today is the sixth of april, the 407th day of the heroic struggle of the ukrainian people against the russian occupiers. the british ministry of defense foresees new the dismissal of the top military personnel of the russian federation due to failures in ukraine , french president manuel macron met with the impunity in beijing how is it expected that the leader of france will discuss the issue with the leader of china

the future of ukraine, peace in ukraine, meanwhile, the russian occupiers continue to lose manpower and equipment in ukraine, as of april 6, russia has already lost 176,630 people in ukraine in the last day alone , the armed forces of ukraine have destroyed 390 orks since the beginning of the great war, the russians have already lost in ukraine 3 631 tanks 7,000 13 armored combat vehicles 714 artillery systems 532 rocket salvo systems 281 means against air defense 306 aircraft 292 helicopters 5,574 units of motor vehicles 18 ships boats 911 winged missiles - 2,287 drones 302 units of special equipment so macron asks all calls to remind putin in russia, a new partner in the international arena, honduras, and nato to the russian house, we will talk about this and other things in the next hour, i want

to introduce today's guest - he is a politician, a diplomat minister of foreign affairs of ukraine in 2007-2009 volodymyr hryshko mr. volodymyr good day good health to you thank you for joining our broadcast i congratulate you mr. serhiy i hope to see you hello to you and our dear tv viewers. thank you. let's start our conversation with the visit to beijing of the french leader macron today, april 6, he was received in beijing by his chinese colleague sidin-pin . the french leader arrived in china a day earlier , according to the french media, macron addressed the sisinpinya and said i know that i can count on you to bring russia to its senses and for everyone to sit down at the negotiating table also the french leader wants

to talk with his chinese counterpart about business climate er diversity and food security, we know that he must fly there, and we fund the policy , and obviously the conversation will be about how europe can influence xi jinping in the russian-ukrainian war , his role, strengthen his role in the russian-ukrainian war, and simply put , to convince the leader of china to influence putin to end the war in ukraine as much as it is possible eh you know mr. serhiy i think that eh these formulas are what we are asking you to influence putin there this is all this study of history diplomatic veil eh verbal veil which actually hides what today and

in the coming days, er, all the squealing will be quite difficult negotiations, er, this is how it is for the press, they will tell about the fact that he is applying from chilobit, so that everything stops , i think that the conversation will be much tougher and much er, i will mix it up, because the situation is working out , well, at least now to the finish line, he means what is called russian aggression in ukraine, because it is clear to everyone that russia is exhausting its potential and a little more and the situation will take on a completely different character, so china simply has two, two, two possibilities or hard to say to putin er ends this adventure for you or for your country. it is possible that there will still be some chance, well , or china of the west can do well, as

they say in odessa, nerves and er if these nerves will cost china er economic ties with the west europe and america, then well, for the chinese, the situation will be difficult, if it is, to say very bad, so i think that uh, according to diplomatic formulas , attempts to somehow get through to someone, we will be talking about such simple and straightforward things, uh, will the chinese, together with russia if he refused the offer of the event e to resist civilized education, i think that no, you know that when the world of civilization was disjointed to a certain extent, when everyone thought that it was possible to agree on something with someone, this is one story when, er, now the civilized

world has united and when it is clearly and clearly says er about who is his competitor, if not to say the enemy, then er, playing this game for china, even with this semi-alive russia , will be a rather difficult task one way or another , so let's wait for now, you also correctly emphasized that now eh is the next step there will be a visit, the derlyanka fund will speak already on behalf of the entire european union itself, and this is one position. i think that this gentleman who is smiling so much now on the screens, he can smile a little less on the eve of macron's visit to potin, the chinese ambassador to the european union, futsun, gave an interview in the great new york times, he said that china does not recognize russia's attempts to annex ukrainian territories, including crimea and donbas, and in addition , this is diplomatic rhetoric that the

kremlin tried to interpret as hospitality all the skills to the kremlin eh are perceived as eh should not be perceived as support for the russian federation in its mass media, i.e., the emphasis is clearly placed here, and china wants to say in this world and first of all to the united states of america that they are not on the side of russia.

different signals are sent to different er recipients of this information er and this gives er an opportunity for a certain manner well , today i want to move away from this it seems that ukraine is ready for negotiations when ukrainian troops will be on the administrative border with crimea, and after a certain period of time, the same information has acquired a completely different sound. that is, these things are traditional. they are often launched for that purpose. to just feel the mood, so to speak, and understand what the possible reaction will be, this is also an important thing, because diplomats actually collect all the information that is needed in order to make the right decisions in the center, so i think that it is so to

speak er, the game is er parallel on two instruments at the same time, both in russian and in western we cannot definitely cannot say that all these signed pieces of paper er during his stay in moscow there, all these declarations, all these oaths er in friendship to er to the end of the universe and so on that it's simple empty things, yes, i think it would not be wrong to say it, because after all, it is the signature of the head of state, and it says something , on the other hand, the same head of state, through his respective ministers, advisors, and so on, gives the order that those on to the west, there are some concerns with such a uh, well, let's say, uh, a frank pro-russian tone and statements that they received other information, what are these statements

? well, not like that, let's say unambiguously, this proposal is possible in order to talk , let's discuss, let's exchange ideas, so there will be visits, so during props, let's uh, well, let's highlight some aspects, but right now this one will take place. so, it seems to me that everything is going according to such a classic of the diplomatic genre. at the meeting with president emmanuel macron, he already said that china can convince russia to stop hostilities in ukraine and return to the sides we are not at the negotiating table, mr. volodymyr, we have repeatedly talked with you over the past two months that china is trying to make public there, or shall we say , to act as a kind of conditional peacemaker

, but this peace plan that was made public beijing on the eve of the invasion of the anniversary of russia's invasion of ukraine that this plan is rather a pose and quit and not such a step-by-step plan of how it should all happen eh macron still counts on the fact that all the efforts made in order to put eh in place or to make sure let's put it this way more diplomatically, putin should not fight in ukraine and return to the negotiating table on your uh , what are the conditions for this negotiation table or for peace negotiations . uh, well, that's it try to decipher what macron says, that is, he says china, you can convince russia

. well , of course, he is right in this sense when he says that china can . we will talk about india and other countries . but again, the lion's share of russia's merchandise turnover now goes exclusively to china. and if we say that china is dependent on the sale of its goods to the west, the same way, now russia is one hundred percent dependent on the sale of its goods to china and if china says, you know, dear president, we thought here and decided that we don't need yours. well, isn't this a way to influence russia, and definitely a way without any war, without any extreme things

it's just to say what you know, we don't buy these goods anymore and what should the russian federation do if they raise their hands and surrender, because there is no other option . therefore, of course, this can be interpreted as the influence of china, whether it will accept it, that's the question next i think that no i think that china how how and before, he wants to have the russian federation in such a semi-living form as its economic performance for china, it is interesting for china, it is important, therefore, china will not openly talk about the western position , even from a purely ideological point of view, etc. here will be a search for a balance again, so what can china do to make russia move forward? but at the same time, don't make it so

that russia loses and the west wins. in this regard, we have already said with you that it is always better to have some e-e partner than to be on your own with a collective measure so that, well, there will be a conversation about this , you know, a compromise, when each of the parties will try to think about their strategic interests and try, at the same time, not to miss any chance to at least keep the level of relations at a more or less productive level . well, meanwhile, russian propagandists are trying to convince their viewers that the chinese visits of macron and ursula von der leyen will not bring any results,

andriy gurulyov, a military officer, spoke about this on solovyov's broadcast criminal, lieutenant general of the armed forces of the russian federation, a member of the state duma of the russian federation, let's hear about the european economy, which is happening today. well, let's look at things, see the real estate as you like. brother, that's what they say. they went to china to beg for some contacts in order to support this cannabis plant. china ordered for 30, then i would be a carpenter of airbuses and robots that are being assembled in china. the task of the triplets to save themselves, to be honest, they have already started, at least a little, they can’t get in touch with the owner, but the gingerbread man will receive at least any negotiations with the chinese , the kind is heavy on the fees for the exit, well

, it seems to me that there will be a big breakthrough there, probably there will be no breakthrough right away, volodymyr after the visit, all the calls to the kremlin contained information in the western media, which wrote that after the conversation with putin, sidin would definitely call zelenskyi and there would be a conversation about 40 china in the eu , which i already mentioned. everyone called calls because there was no time and not to ukraine in a word, although we know that zelensky invited the leader of china to ukraine and there were some recent contacts with him even before the beginning of the full-scale invasion of russia into ukraine , how do you think these relations

with china should develop now of ukraine, well, considering the ambassador who has not been in china for quite a long time, there are no ambassadors of ukraine or china at all to ukraine, but considering the leadership that the package now claims, well, first of all, i will refer to serhiy on this piece that you showed from the next i lost an english matchmaker on all these moscow kremlin groupers, they are very serious there, they are alarmed by the fact that china can really take up a far from pro-russian policy, in fact, that is , ideological, i repeat, they will say what they and take what they adhere to the same approaches, but in practice, and this, by the way, is one of the traditions of chinese politics. saying one thing and doing

another can be completely unexpected things , and that's why they are so nervous, that's why they say so, well, well, well, just absurd things about the decline of the european economy, god forbid that someday the russian economy would be at least a 10th part similar to the european one, and if this russian economy survives until some period of the next 2-3 years, because by the way, that’s how it is in the fields as they say, there is only one year left, a maximum of one and a half years, despite the fact that the sanctions remain and may even increase , so that the decline of the european economy can only be taken as a crazy person , but for us it should not be somehow a revelation because listening to these people is well, it's so easy to watch a crazy person live on tv. maybe someone is interested

in it, returning to china and his reluctance to talk to zelensky , it seems to me that this is going on about er efforts and in this way from the side of china to present itself as a great power that can decide the destinies of other countries but not with them themselves but with those who are capable of it, that is, let's say with the americans, that is, let's say from the united europe, but eh go down to the level of e-e states, the relations of large countries such as ukraine and relative to the weak, we will talk about it absolutely frankly, it is already, most likely, a bad tone for him, uh, i think that this is uh , a serious mistake, i think that this is still a very serious underestimation of what

ukraine represents today, this is a misunderstanding of what the world has changed and that ukraine has become part of the great civilized space in political, economic and military terms, and that the voice of ukraine is already a completely different voice, it is already the voice of the common european and western that's why i think that politicians won't be able to get sisyphians anywhere er he will call er zelenskiy and i have no doubt about that. maybe he is just taking time to collect all possible er proposals of ideas er and then impose them on this his approach er on this yes called our own plan, which we are not actually er and er to try again thanks to this er to play the role of a mediator mediator peacemaker and so

on again gaining global points as a person who can influence the fate of history there and so and so on, i think this is , again, from the category of certain diplomatic games but i think that all these games will be given a very clear answer by the ukrainian defense forces, our armed forces, which will show that some diplomatic chimeras can only be in the heads, but not in practice, we actively monitor what they say under at the time of the meeting, how do xi and macron comment on the ukrainian issue? china is ready , together with france, to call on the world community for rationality and restraint in the

ukrainian issue. of the conflict, resume peace talks, you, mr. volodymyr, have already mentioned this statement regarding crimea, that there may be some negotiations there, and the media placed this statement with reference to sybigu. this statement , they say, we will talk about crimea when our troops reach the line of the administrative line between mainland ukraine and the crimean peninsula. it is clear that the russians are now trying in any way to interpret that kyiv is ready for some kind of negotiations, that we will negotiate now, but we have conditions and these conditions have been articulated for a long time which we took away remains in russian, and everything else there, the parties will

agree on everything else. the russian federation, as for them, peace negotiations should be held, taking into account the fact that the chinese ambassador to the european union says that they do not confirm and recognize the territorial integrity of ukraine, including crimea and donbas, well, that is, it turns out that russia in this the situation should be listened to of the deceased and sit down at the negotiating table on the terms of ukraine, right? you see, mr. serhiy, diplomats, i will start with the first part of your question. diplomats are people who are very, well , how to say it more precisely, uh, accurate and uh, well, maybe even

uh, maybe even uh, they are so obedient , i would even say that this means that every diplomat understands the limits of his competence and knows what he can do and what he cannot do. office of the president and which definitely knows that there is a corresponding decision of our national security and defense council, er, about the fact that there will be no negotiations with putin , er, this is the decision, as far as i know , correct me if i'm wrong. it seems to me that no one has canceled it. so, er, in this matter in this case, again, there is a typical example of the use of certain channels of information in

order to give certain signals. it seems to me that this was done exclusively in order to ... just showed now showing er had the opportunity to say with a jerk at the negotiations, well, you see, the ukrainians in principle do not rule out such a possibility, but after that, here is a list of everything that china needs to do with russia in order for it to turn into some practical actions, judging by the fact that already after a few hours, this statement was refuted, well, for me personally, it says that uh, probably no uh, well , we haven't

seen any such visible uh, changes in china's position, uh, so, accordingly, another statement immediately follows that it is necessary follow anyway those documents that are signed and that only the head of state can comment on such things, well, the actual circle has closed, the situation is quite clear, well, we must also understand that the issue of the liberation of crimea is for it is fundamental for us to understand what started this war, it did not start on february 24 , 2014. it began in february 14, it began in crimea , because for russia's crimea is not just a sacred place that they invented and invented for themselves

besides, i have never been a muscovite in history under any circumstances, moreover, moscow paid tribute to the crimean khan and probably because of this there is so much hatred of the crimean tatar people. but these are different things . that is, we must return the crimea to that that crimea is the key to the black sea, and the fact that today russia is trying to make it its er, it threatens not only the interests of ukraine, it did the interests of er, which is quite intensively represented there, that is, the question of the return of crimea should not, in principle , arise. and uh, if you look at the survey of public opinion, no one questions the necessity of such a release in a military military way. so this is again what we talked about earlier, mr. serhii, it is er, well, it is reasonable and i am glad that this is happening er, it is clearly and clearly

a diplomatic game that gives we have the opportunity even on such tangential points, you understand that most likely at the negotiations in beijing, china has not yet made any progress , so it means that they will probably wait for mrs. fondlyan , then someone else, and in the end, we will draw conclusions, so for now the situation remains as it is well, in the meantime, putin addressed the new ambassador of the united states of america in the russian federation to the russian federation at the ceremony of the vru, poems, letters, e-e, e-e ambassadors, putin spoke about the fact that the foreign policy of the united states of america is the support of the maidan revolution in kyiv that forced him to start a war in ukraine, and he said he was in favor of building and maintaining russian-american relations on the basis of equality, respect for sovereignty, non-interference in each other's internal affairs, let's hear from putin"

on which global security and stability are experiencing a deep crisis. unfortunately, the military basis is fundamentally different approaches to the formation of the modern world order . america in its foreign policy, both as a tool and as a support for the so-called color revolution of the girl in this connection with the coup in kyiv in 2014 led to today's ukrainian and additionally made its negative contribution to the degradation of russian-american relations, well, we always spoke from ato in order to build russian-american relations exclusively on the principles of oralism , respect for the sovereign, it interests each other

, not interference in internal affairs, we will be the leaders - this is also in the future everything he said it would be very simple to comment that a humpback grave will fix it , but in this situation it is about the fact that the ambassadors did not applaud putin and this was also indicative and he just left the hall in complete silence, this is also indicative. i ask the directors to show this fragment, in front of which our country stands, and in this sense, i wish you all the parts . success struck for attention. limitation so far , we have no chance to talk to you personally, but during your work, i have such