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the marathon - the only news every sunday at 20:00 1+1 the discussion platform night watch continues to discuss the important topic of crimes by russians in the occupied territories of their responsibility. and before the break , we came to the fact that the genocide of the ukrainian people is actually taking place. the russians are destroying not only active pro-ukrainian, pro-ukrainian-minded people. - and what is happening, if you know, on the remnants of the temporarily occupied kherson oblast, now, well , first of all, on the left bank, all this time , severe repression is taking place of the ukrainian population. well, the last thing that can be mentioned is that they are forced to take russian passports. well, how does this happen, for example, they set up roadblocks in cities, they do not allow people to leave, for example, to the market, understanding that people

want to shop there and a person needs to go there to at least to provide oneself with food, but only on the condition that a person has a russian passport or to the cemetery, but the latter will be relevant now, they have already put forward such a requirement that people on the left bank in some settlements can go to the cemetery their relatives only if they have a russian passport ah what else is going on well from some settlements ah there are reports that children's phones are being checked to ensure that the child was not registered in the ukrainian educational process that takes place online no, not everywhere, but there is still such information, people are grabbed on a daily basis, they are taken to prisons and basements , these are usually occupied police stations, or administrative buildings, such

as, for example, the administrative building management of the north crimean e-e channel or e-e this e-e building next to the dolphinarium in skadovsk or e-e e-e hotel orchid in henichesk or for example the last thing that is known is a whole e-e recreation complex on arabatskaya arrow but nevertheless, they converted these houses, now they serve as cells to hold people there, there are two security perimeters, so it is impossible to get there among the civilian population there, that is, if we know in kherson, it was possible in some of them to actively transmit some transmissions, if the family knew exactly that their family was being received there, then it is impossible here . and how many people can be received there? well , up to 50 people. about 50 people, according to what principle

are people sent there? well, in that investigation on radio svoboda, i read in the story that the guy just he was leaving work, a car stopped next to him, they asked where are you going , he said, come home from work, sit down with us, we went, and in this way he was taken to the cats, who kept them for several days, tortured them, then released him, is there any principle at all, is it just simple atrocities on the territory without rights for today, in general, the principle can be singled out, er, there were different waves, er, and different motivations of who to take to these camps, for example, when they were only immediately occupied, they were activists, journalists , volunteers, then, er, closer to september, they began to er, take away the teachers this was explained by the fact that the goal was to establish an educational process according to russian standards, that is why we had many certificates of teachers from the left bank, in particular, who got into these camps and there they were asked to ensure that

schools or school principals switched to the russian standard of e-e education e-e then these were doctors e-e before the russians wanted to achieve that- they probably cooperated with the russian federation and um maybe helped or switched again to the russian standard of treatment a-a now the most popular motivation for the detention of ukrainian civilians is the search for gunners, correctors among russians. actually , they always manage to find someone who really is a corrector. but often people who were passing by, for example we had such a case when a person drove by without knowing that the base was captured, it is on the left bank, there is a small town there is a tourist base, and a person drove by , the russian military rushed to it and took

him away, tortured and beat him for a long time and got him to say what was he doing there, in fact, he was just going to his mother . he didn't even know that there were russian soldiers behind the fence. it was an important thing that should be noted . it's all together. that is, there is no way to protect your life or your health. your rights, your freedom and your loved ones and that's why in our questionnaires i always ask what you were arrested for and i still remember because it has been going on for 9 years in the 14th year and the first conclusion was that there is no there is no algorithm of behavior that you should adhere to, to ensure you one hundred percent that you will not suddenly cross the road in front of someone's car and someone in that car will not like it and you will not be taken away by the territory without rights and freedoms absolutely, that is, roughly speaking, you can want

the russians to come to you too a portrait of putin can to hang in your bedroom, but this does not guarantee you anything, and to what extent is this a war crime? are these already crimes against humanity ? are these already signs of genocide? how do we interpret it? i will say the first thing here, because military crimes are often confused with war crimes - this is a violation of the disciplinary statutes of the armed forces of ukraine and these are such crimes as looting, arbitrary abandonment of a part, etc. and we are talking about crimes about war crimes because this is one of the types of international crimes, although given the systematicity and prevalence of this practice, we can already to say that these are crimes against humanity, in fact, this is exactly the assessment made by the international commission of inquiry, which was created by the un human rights council. in their recent report, they wrote that they were shocked by the amount of torture, brutal treatment of civilians in the occupied territories, and that it is necessary, of course, because they bear

proof of qualifications, but they are considered crimes against humanity, who will be responsible for these crimes, let's take the last case, the investigators found out the specific name of the person who gave the order to bomb mariupol drama theater and serhiy troshchenko maternity hospital , a certain russian asks if this mr. serhiy will go on vacation to egypt to sunbathe, drink something on an inclusive basis or go scuba diving to see the fish and the beautiful scenery of the red sea. there will accidentally die on yes and he his she is more obvious well let's now talk about the problem of prosecution about the existing mechanisms ot well the first problem is that you you are talking about a person who was identified. and we have tens of thousands of criminal proceedings, more than 70,000 have been opened in the office

of the prosecutor general, and you can imagine how much human effort is needed in the first place to establish the culprits in each proceeding, and this is precisely the purpose of this whole machine, because we must give a chance for justice to every person who suffered from e international crimes and not only to those people who suffered from high-profile crimes to which media attention is focused or which is mentioned in international reports organizations, that is, the first problem is that the national system is simply overloaded, but that's how it is, for example, when these russian soldiers go somewhere in turkey or egypt, but there it is possible if they are installed yes, and they have been officially declared suspicious, here we are talking about two levels we have the level of the international criminal court, there is

the level of the national system - this is what exists now. criminal cases because international crimes are considered to be a matter of concern for the entire international community and therefore, even if their citizens do not appear there or it was committed on the territory of another country, if their legislation allows, then they can open and some countries have opened such , for example, i met with the general prosecutor's office with the relevant department of france. they told what proceedings they are conducting. that is, this is another such additional element, but the international criminal court has now issued a warrant for the arrest of two children. vladimir putin and his commissioner for the protection of children's rights, maria lvova, appear more than 120 times from three countries that are parties to the rome statute, they are obliged to finally

execute this order only in relation to these two people, if we are talking about the international criminal court , if we are talking about those whom ukraine treats to the investigation and presents official accusations e and e for this there are international legal bilateral agreements between countries and there is an interpol system and we have had big problems with the interpol system for a very long time. i remember how they couldn't bring igor strilkov there, he's a zhehirkin, because they said that there could be political motives and, well , in general, it's an organization that, let's be fair , is governed by them there , at the price of chinese and russian factors, they will bring order and influence, and it's quite difficult. interpol was used often in order to persecute oppositionists from authoritarian countries, they

gave them a red card and detained them in european countries and caused them a lot of trouble, because until they figure out that this is actually a political motive, but it is not so easy works in the other direction when it is really necessary to detain war crime suspects, do you remember the story when a powerful earthquake occurred in turkey, one of the rescuers went, he was recognized later that he served here under anything and killed some people well, it was also active in social networks discussed history, and there is a third point that we must not forget, because it is all based on the good will of the countries to fulfill all these agreements, but hungary has declared that it will not be vladimir putin's are if he comes to them, it will not fulfill it this is an order, this is an arrest warrant from the international criminal court, they interpret the vienna convention in such a different way. somehow, politically, she is drawing out that she can refuse this, how can she be forced to go to the international

criminal court, there is no international police , this is already completely different mechanisms , so many nuances will be involved. they mentioned the resources we need to carry out a full investigation of these criminal proceedings, now there are 70,000 of them and the number is increasing, and the case is not yet closed , they are still investigating whether we have a human a resource, a professional resource in order to quickly investigate this and not to turn these investigations, well, excuse me, we have an example of the maidan case when we are all waiting, waiting for years, the time limit for the arrest is coming up, there are a large number of questions regarding these investigations, but this is where we want to quickly understand and close these cases in order to bring human rights organizations to justice. they are often in such a position that we criticize state authorities and indicate where they could have worked better, done more

to protect human rights, etc., but here i even i can't criticize anyone because it's simply impossible, we don't have enough human resources , i always say international partner, in the first full-scale invasion, you sent a distance to a greater extent, a huge number of consultants . you are faced with tens of thousands of criminal proceedings, there is a banal lack of qualified workers, and therefore the way out of this is to convince international partners, including the ukrainian authorities, that they too suggested that we need to involve an international element at the level of investigation and justice, that is, as a group, we need a specialized investigative body that includes international investigators , international detectives together with national

investigators, and a specialized court, also with international judges and national judges , or a separate specialized chamber in the supreme the courts of ukraine and this is necessary, this mechanism must be created and strengthened, otherwise , frankly speaking, we will go well then, how about we go we will have priority cases, some priority categories. well, everyone is interested in sexual violence, the media will write reports, the attention of donors, well, but i do not underestimate the importance of investigating this type of crime, especially hundreds. moreover, it is a very hidden type of crime. i am from personal in practice, i know that people can tell you the most terrible details of torture. and you know from the people who sat next to you that this person was subjected to sexual violence, but she prefers not to talk about it

, just forget what it was, but other crimes too they must also be investigated. today, we are talking about the fact that justice should be visible and that the so-called trial of putin should take place in buch, where they committed numerous crimes and abused people and killed ukrainians, but skeptics will say, well, what kind of trial we don't believe in putin, we don't believe that's what the skeptics say, what can you, mr. anastasia, say such skeptics personally ? do you believe that one day there may be a trial of the presidents? well, i believe that we are at that stage when we need to pay as much attention as possible to gathering information, and there well, it will be or not will be our goal this year to collect and help the bodies of justice to establish these crimes or whether you will then be putin or not. will there be a trial in what form? well, god forbid that this should happen . focus on the crimes. we have a slightly

different approach. year, i began to ask myself who we are documenting all this for, it is not important to document it, but i am not a historian. orders make a decision about this act when punished and then when you look at the existing international national architecture you