[000:00:00;00] by what is happening in our nearest neighbors, because it will affect our life and our economy, thank you very much , mr. peter petro burkovsky, executive director of the democratic initiatives fund, i am ilka kuchereva, thank you for the conversation, we talked about the recent survey of the fund, which shows that ukrainians are now among the their main allies are our nearest neighbors , those who help us the most. well , the united states, of course, as our main strategic ally and the main donor, of course, for the ukrainian army and ukraine as a whole, which supports our economy, i wonder how ukrainians will treat brazil , especially after the statements of their president, who offered to give the crimea to russia to end the war, call his letter and us and lulla da silva, in short, he

has such a great idea. maybe his invite him to ukraine, let him go to crimea , maybe at least ask the people of the crimean tatars, for example, is this suitable for them? cool. well, what? we can still say yes to you. by the way, this is something that has been done to brazil, where he actually appeared to be a more competent and acceptable respectable and, so to speak , relevant president after his predecessor, ah, bosonaro, who was there at all , he believed different conspiracy theories about covid that it doesn't exist there, remember what it is by the way, this puts part of its future defeat was due to the fact that brazil turned out to be very poorly prepared for the

coid epidemic and had a huge mortality rate the cities, the cities, the hospitals were overcrowded, we remember quite a lot of this whole history, the pre-war fabric, from accordingly, it is a very old story, well, the bossanara was just so finished, so to speak, for the populists , well, but in general, you take it with a grain of salt, too. and this is in general a huge problem that we are talking about we all say that latin america and africa are also partly india, that is, asia, and the eastern region remains to a large extent in the orbits of narratives produced in china and russia , namely, they play cube on anti-american sentiments, and this is a problem and that ukraine, which currently has the united states as its biggest ally, is accordingly interpreted by them as a part of some kind of american self-interest. and so and accordingly , it is difficult for ukraine to change this generativity , but we are working on it little by little, in particular

by changing this accent itself, because these countries better understand what is happening with us, when they see that ukraine itself was in fact a colony of the russian empire and that this war has just a war, just like this war against imperialism , and when they see russia in a new otaku dear, this is a chance for us to change our attitude and have allies, and for example, the same latin america, er, to have more understanding on the part of india. well, of course, africa. especially since we now have a lot in common with african countries as a hybrid regime. there are many common problems. if so, let me remind you that we are on the freedom-house list, which the us state department published not so long ago, we found ourselves in an interesting company, the varus codes, if i am not mistaken, i am a nigerian, according to ours, we scored 50 points out of a hundred, which

is a functional democracy in the country because the economist came across a great article in the british weekly about the fact that the number of countries with hybrid regimes has increased in africa overall, and this is good news because autocracies are no longer the absolute dominant force on this african continent, including the so-called there where in the part of the eye as in equatorial africa, that is, after all, some democratic process is going on, even africa is changing little by little, and this is good news. well, on the one hand, we have fallen very much there by 20 points, it seems. well, on the other hand, africa too it is rising like that what is it like that somehow mishko is ivory and a nigger there that is the situation well, by the way, the tv channel espresso has also been connected to half of its

audience for a year, which is at least from t2 from our license without any explanation, i will remind you of this . also, i think part hm, part of the fact that we are so far on this list of democracy . well, by the way, i already said today about the fact that a very interesting article was published on bloomberg. oligarchs who are already connected with the new government, who actually during the war and before the war were able to earn some incredible capital on what in principle capital is earned in our country. well, where can you earn, for example , a billion dollars in 2-3 years on the same thing? you just steal from the budget. that's all. there can be no other options. well, they warn that it can be bad, and they also warn that

the centralization of power is taking place around president zelenskyi and his office, and this could be a dangerous post-war period, and in terms of the liberalization of the reforms are already starting to warn about it, analysts of bloomberg, do our next mountaineers know the new oligarchs that bloomberg writes about ? andriy osadchuk, people's deputy of ukraine oleksiy honcharenko, also people's deputy of ukraine is in touch with us, gentlemen, maybe they have seen those oligarchs, can you tell us who they are this is mr. andrii, let's start something with you. the sound was not very interesting. i was interested in whether new oligarchs appeared

. it's interesting. the words security, that they are now taking shape as a class. do you also feel this danger, or are these processes taking place? well, you know, first of all , the year of the great war constantly shows that they raise the value, and with all due respect to many respectable publications. sometimes they write things that are not quite directly connected with reality, rumors convey some kind of conjecture, and this should always be remembered about the old oligarchs. i wouldn't say that they simply disappeared , they simply became significantly poorer, but if the same akhmetov was there in better times, i i don't remember how much his 13 billion fortune was estimated. it seems to me that it is estimated at four to four billion. believe me, these are also good assets with which you can

feel good about continuing to live and work. in the first wave, let's call them that, they were simply very impoverished in terms of new gifts. well , of course, this is a centralized system of power , and again, you quote bloomberg, they say that it is concentrated over time the government, well, listen, it has been concentrated for a long, long time, and in recent years, we have a very specific democracy with a decision-making center, in fact, all decisions are in one building, and this is certainly not wrong, i think it already has a certain influence on our relations with the west and will definitely have a further impact after the victory, because well, i do not get tired of repeating that you and i are fighting not just for our land, for our people, we are fighting for democratic standards , for the rule of law, and we allegedly constantly

repeat this to our allies, but they are all they see and hear everything, but let's go back to the possible new rich people, i don't think that it was possible to get billions of dollars directly, as you say, but we know for sure that during the first year of the war there were huge problems at the customs, e.e., in the state fiscal service, all this was done with the help of b army, especially a special temporary commission worked and works in the verkhovna rada, and all this led to the fact that once again some respectable institutions that were introduced during zelenskyi's time will be rebooted, that is, in fact, this is a recognition of what direction was a failure. the biggest thing that started me in all these stories is not even the fact that someone could steal a lot of money , but the fact that it is actually allowed by the law enforcement and anti-corruption system that we built for years, which sometimes abused people, but we tolerated it all. therefore that such

complex reforms require effort, but if the assumption made by bloomberg is confirmed sooner or later, it will mean that all the efforts that have been made, the efforts of tens of thousands of people, probably, everything will go down the drain and again, all of this together, unfortunately, will have a huge impact on our ability to effectively and quickly, most importantly, rebuild the country after the victory, mr. oleksiy, you also have the same feeling that the authors of bloomberg can be slightly mistaken and no , unfortunately, i think that the authors of bloomberg nothing i'm not mistaken, on the contrary, they are still very careful when they say it, because today i will tell you. i feel this myself. when i say something, i have an internal censorship, especially abroad , because it is huge, because you don't try so hard.

to speak in order not to harm the country in any way, and i think that this is relevant even for bloomberg journalists. because ukraine today , well, everyone understands what a huge sacrifice it makes and that is why it is very important to them. they also try to construct it as carefully as possible, but unfortunately, this is the reality that the power is concentrated in to the country, the dictatorship of president yermak's office , they personally do what they want, they appoint only their own people, at the same time, we see well, let me give you a simple example , let's not go to billionaires and others, we encountered this, so i have a network of honcharenko centers. and these are educational and cultural volunteer centers, one of them is large in odesa. at first , we invaded 50 thousand square meters of camouflage nets for free, all this at our own expense, the volunteers worked for free, we bought them there all these bases, well, that’s how they are, all the countries have volunteers here, we worked as one of the largest manufacturers of camouflage nets in ukraine, rented premises for this from the odesa regional council, and also

paid rent to the odesa regional council after of my speeches in the verkhovna rada, that means they get a team from kyiv. i understand that to throw us out means to leave this room . this whole disaster is still going on. imagine the madness , instead of demining ukrainian fields there and where necessary, explosives technicians are screaming and laughing in shock, but what is going on here anyway, but what am i doing here, it's great to your question, and it turns out to be in this very building, so it is the same building of the odesa regional council , the head of which is mr. didenko , a servant of the people, so there is a private security guard that does not let us in, with which we have already fought several times , the contract. health, the men are not at the front, everything is standing here , it turns out that there is a company, the owner is the head

of the city council, the organization of the party, a servant of the people , so this is his company, it protects the building, the regional council pays the money, we have the national guard is a state service, but not a private company . further on in the same building, they are setting up bomb shelters. it seems like good things . for some reason, they spent uah 10 million on this . no work is being done, and the company that has already partially received these uah 10 million is a company owned by a man . of a people's deputy from a servant of the people, i.e. zno, a servant of the people well, mr. didenko himself, his wife is also sometimes a people 's deputy from the party, a servant of the people, well, that is, you see this is one example, one building in the odesa region. imagine all over the country to the fathers of the pyramid of the servant of the people, which captured everything, well, that is, everything from the security in the premises to the development of budget money on contracts to the management of the customs tax office to the procurement

of the ministry of defense, we have all heard about 17 hryvnias , but it is all one and the same octopus called the servant of the people and his head of this the trouble is mr. andriy yarmak, who sits in the president's office and manages everything, that's exactly why, of course, i think blumber is not doing anything wrong here. on the contrary , he writes very, very softly about things, and i really agree with my colleague that i am afraid that in the future they will write more and more harshly because no one is blind. i would like to say one thing about what the authors of bloomberg are probably so wrong when they talk about old oligarchs. it somehow passed by. of course, i happened to see a video that analyzed valentines a political psychologist who drew attention to the fact that during the visit to ukraine of the american delegation

of american politicians, including pompeo, the former us secretary of state, there is a video , if we can show it. in this video, mike pompeo appears. and behind him other people who are not americans appear who also greet each other as part of this delegation for some reason together with the president - they greet president zelensky. this person is not an american, we know a ukrainian, mr. pinchuk, who is one of the oligarchs and who by the way, if you remember the press conference of volodymyr zelenskyi, he was also among the journalists for some reason, he was present actually why this is how zelenskyi said that he had overcome the oligarchs in ukraine, dad i remember why why viktor pinchuk is suddenly present at this meeting

suddenly present at a press conference, which is for journalists, why, for example, not present at that time, all ukrainian oligarchs who were oligarchs until now mr. andriyu well, you know, in principle, i was always, to put it mildly, very distant from the whole party. but my observations of their behavior always said that pinchuk always agreed a little differently than others. he always invested serious resources and what is called in english soft power in what kind of power. he held a bunch of cultural events there, his centers of modern the arts that he did, again, the yalta conference, which he has been promoting for many, many years, turned into such a powerful intellectual platform where everyone gathered because at the event of the yalta conference, the opposition and all the journalists were in power, and it really was so. well, it is

actually advanced party, and in fact this greatly distinguished him from all other ukrainian oligarchs, and at the moment it seems that he lacks the strength of inspiration to continue doing it in a different way, i too by the way, i paid attention to this video when you saw it, he also smiled a lot because it just went under the captions that have pompeo and american businessmen, but the second one was indeed a not very american businessman, but it was pinchuk's fund that brought mike pompel to ukraine . well, someone has to organize all this and pay for it, and accordingly, he receives dividends in this way from these investments in the promotion of what strength in the promotion of such projects and it looks like he is probably one of the few or maybe the only one who

continues to work in this field and this is definitely the president's office likes it, because we understand that international topics remain extremely important, on the one hand, the servants of the people are completely trying to monopolize their presence in international platforms, on the other hand , the more distinguished guests who come to ukraine , the better, so i think viktor pinchuk is simply using this situation very skillfully and no more than well, okay, well, mike pompeo brought here, but the press conference to which by the way, not all journalists could get accreditation to get in because they said that there were a lot of willing ones the number of seats is limited, however, viktor pinchuk was sitting in the first row, and oleksiy, what do you say? well, i will say that it seems to me that it was a press conference that was taking place and within the framework of the ... it was just organized by viktor pinchuk and his background, so here is another question. why did the president decide to give a press conference in this particular format, but i think the question here is not for pinchuk, but

for the president, as far as the problem is concerned, the problem is not that there are rich people, well wind pinchuk, there are many people, there are other very rich people, viktor pinchuk, if he is doing some activities there, some involve the international society there, yes, they come directly from the representatives , they are very respectable . is it necessary for ukraine? yes, of course, it is necessary if a person does it there and the last name is pinchuk, in this case, well , it’s great, and we thank him for doing it . the question is in another question. the question is whether some businessmen use big and or small but which want to become large state resources. so we have to worry about you and i have given you examples

, but there are many more such examples . i don't know other surnames of great ukrainian businessmen, there are no new surnames, of course, i think that the bunker is quite right here, and there are people who are the owners of the country, who owns large fortunes today. andriyu yarmak well, i i don't know, but it's obvious that they're huge and we'll probably only remember and find out about something. i think life is such that we'll definitely find out about everything, so that's why it worries me much more, and when we see that the office of the president directly affects appointments in the nabu or in other institutions that are supposed to be just a safeguard against this , that are supposed to stop this, this is what worries me the most, actually, because it means , look, there is no immune system in the countries, because in

all the higher developed countries of the world, what is the immune system is the journalists of the media well, you started with the fact that espresso has not been on the air for a year now, the fifth year straight for the wedding. well, in the digital world, freedom of speech in the country is significantly limited . journalists cannot enter the verkhovna rada . and so on and so on. next that is, it is a tool freedom of speech as a tool for controlling interference, the second tool parliamentarism has been significantly weakened, it is not just weakened, it is almost destroyed, and has not come to the parliament for more than a year , deputies who ask questions about the office are thrown out of the parliament the example of the president, leras, at the same time, the mps from the national people's congress hold on to why she holds positions in all of them, there are no questions for them, they vote for everything, so they are good. by the way, as a tool of control , if not destroyed, well, it is very significantly limited and law enforcement control. well, then

when there is no immune system, you know and what is the problem with the disease called hiv is that a person does not have a conditional system and a person can die from the simplest virus or bacteria because there is nothing to fight , the same thing is beginning to threaten ukraine and it is very a serious threat and it worries me a lot, listen, we literally only have a minute to react, one with a history, just like that, with appointments, which would certainly lead to a large-scale invasion, would become an incredible sensation, would probably even provoke a political crisis, that's what a joint investigation is actually dbr found that the highest, in fact, the heads of the security service were most likely appointed with the help of the fsb, and the person responsible for these appointments was directly the person who brought them, this is the head of bakanov, well, this is

a friend of the president, and there are signatures i'm just me. i'm not saying that this is something that needs to be fanned out now as a big betrayal, but how should we treat it? and does it even exist in the information space, official , verified, like me, for example, the marathon , the only news. let's give you the word, literally, by the minute, oleksiy, let's let's start with you. well, what is the disaster? it is obvious that this should be investigated. it is not necessary to stir up the issue or not. there is one more question , but whether all the moles have been cleaned. they got there, then they will remain there in the future and will destroy security. and for this depends our lives with you, my life, yours , our children, our parents, all of them, and secondly, it all happened there because of panasivkovich, the former deputy secretary of the nsdc, and

he was an advisor for three consecutive convocations mr. sitkovych , this person's name is danyla hetmantsev, he is our current head of the tax committee of the verkhovna rada of ukraine, from the servant of the people, one of the closest people to the office of the president a-a of all. i didn’t know him at all , they are held for some fools at the national marathon, you won’t hear about it, well, where are you? you won’t hear how the hetman is talking about something there, just for a minute mr. andrii sadchuk p andrii a minute, you know i was somewhere literally 3-4 days ago i found a video on youtube, someone made it, composed literally 30-40 seconds each, with a statement of the main events that took place 2-3 months before the start of the great war, and you know from today's point of view. it just looks like

a horror movie. i am absolutely not exaggerating because somehow they forgot everything that happened then, but it’s just fear, horror. as they say, ukraine was catastrophically unprepared and the russian influence was simply too cloudy. thank god that somehow everything is being investigated little by little. and that this information is becoming public, of course , it is not accepted in the official marathon talk, but everyone who is interested knows it, and you say what is the most important thing for us to do now. i think, after all, the most important thing is for us to remember everything very well, because the ukrainian people are fighting , ukrainian boys and girls are fighting, ukrainian politicians of the first line are catastrophically not prepared for the war and the russian influence, which was normal. it will have to be investigated , it will have to be evaluated, it will have to continue to ask questions and purge all levels of the russian agents, or simply , if we do not do this, we simply will not build a new country. thank you, mr. andrii . thank you, mr. oleksiy. thank you all, stay with the express, our e-e ether ether of our channel continues and we

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