[000:00:00;00] for example, some manufacturers without paying enough attention to other manufacturers , i mean the example of the purchase now through the state special communications of unmanned systems where the manufacturers have the right to invest 25% of the profit in the cost of the complex at that's why all other manufacturers of weapons of military equipment can lay corners of 1% on purchased components and 30% on their own work. that's why it's such a discrediting sign. yes, for example, in the current legislation , eh, besides that, eh, you can't say that somehow the admission to operation has become easier, is there any kind of planned purchase with us

at the moment, yes, all purchases are reduced to what needs to be delivered as a hire and faster. that is, why are imports prioritized because it is possible that someone can put in warehouses or from existing storage and so on, but when it is planned to load the own manufacturer so early, then he can supply all these products eh than eh half a year to negotiate about when we can as soon as possible set the deadline for the production of which will be six months, that is, in fact, now we are again got into such bureaucratic labyrinths where we again spend a lot of time, as i can see from your conversation, on these procedures, which in fact should have been significantly simplified, this is not happening , but regarding this is absolutely correct. of other manufacturers, that is, in fact, now manufactured unmanned systems allow the company to have

25% of profit on the total amount of the sample that is delivered to the customer, and other manufacturers , in particular, your company, relatively speaking, having 1% and 30%, in fact, which all other companies not in the field of drones are actually facing the challenge of low e-e profitability in order to develop their production, and probably the correct approach would be for all ukrainian companies that create a domestic product to have the same conditions regarding profitability. you say that absolutely see this is what i say somewhere 33 discrediting terms this is meant not only that of private manufacturers this is meant so they write to state manufacturers and to ukroboronprom to anyone else, i.e. not

it is possible to sell one system, see what's the catch , yes, what's the trap , what's the trap, the fact that the manufacturer of unmanned systems that produces military samples will lose interest in supplying the ministry of defense of ukraine and will appear interested in supplying state special communications under some special these programs are correct and uh, these are uh, well, just not incomprehensible steps that , let’s say, complicate the interaction of uh, manufacturers of a-ah with uh, state authorities. and it seems to me that in wartime and uh, you have me i was at an interview already, it seems to me more than six months ago. yes, we talked about the fact that the maximum simplification of these procedures is precisely the way to er saturation of the armed forces with models of levy equipment and weapons. well, by the way

, there are other components, in fact, some companies that have otaki in conditions of low e-e profitability when they see that a similar foreign product is purchased by the ministry of defense at a e-e higher price and this foreign manufacturer is not asked about the distribution of the fate of the profits of the cost of this product, they say about that okay then let's we will create a company that we will place there in poland or in another country, we will transfer technological solutions there, and then let the ukrainian ministry of defense purchase our products as a polish product, but at the price at which you can purchase the same, say , foreign product, that is, in fact, we are talking about pushing ukrainian enterprises outside the borders states, is there such a risk ? not only does it exist, it is already very actively implemented, and there are several large ukrainian manufacturers who already

sell their products to the customer as foreign companies and that is, no taxes are paid at all. no, not any meetings on the territory of ukraine, and we all have to understand that the government - this officially says that the defense budget is only taxes. we cannot send the funds that are given to us as financial and macro-financial aid for defense purchases, and at the same time, if we send all this amount of funds abroad, we simply worsen the balance of payments for ourselves and , in the long run, just reduce our defense capability. since we do not have the ability to provide e-e personal e-e army e-e own army its armed forces from the e-e defense forces e-e samples of its own production at any time e-e the provision of foreign aid or supplies to us may be blocked a-a

the actual industry is not sufficiently developed or involved to fully meet the defense needs of the couple. vladyslav, your company does not only make mines. you mentioned the mortar in part. there was such a good project related to the mobile mortar, that is, in fact, when you presented such a completed sample where it was possible to change the caliber there by guiding for mines but to have such a well uh mobile self-propelled mortar or is this project being developed at what stage is it now this project uh unfortunately at the moment it is frozen it was literally a design work which uh was implemented by which company was handed over to the ministry of defense but did not pass the stage of field tests due to the beginning of authorized large-scale aggression just because

of that, for now this project is frozen and , as far as i know, the commission for the continuation of the tests has not yet been formed and if we do not look at the samples of these polish mortars that are currently being offered to us, do we actually have the technological potential or opportunities to act as partners in the creation of such a sample or to partially undertake the maintenance or refinement of these mortars, because actually for mortars reactions will come first combat experience and it is not a fact that everything will go smoothly in the format of combat operations what do you think about this i don't want to reveal combat experience er the use of other systems in ukraine yes er but you are correct in saying that we do not yet know

which and how they will show themselves on the field, i am afraid once and for all i am not ready to comment on them and the terms of delivery or cost , for example of these systems in any case, the provision of any equipment of any kind of weapons is a positive for us, it is definitely a positive, and there is already the technical side of this issue, well, this is something that needs to be dealt with, but i think that, frankly , if the customer, if he, uh, understands what he is ordering, he understands what is it for him well, then the ultimate question is what in the near future, we will see something new from your company, either during tests or already on the battlefield, we will definitely tell you about it first , eh, i think we are actively developing, i don't want to tell us in advance, since these projects

are at the stage of implementation, but in any case - in any case, companies that produce weapons, military equipment, supply weapons , military equipment, unfortunately, in wartime must actively work to provide the defense forces with appropriate equipment and also adapt to the requirements of today, to the requirements of this particular war, to requirements of the situation on the battlefield, and therefore, of course, we adapt to this, from time to time we inform about our results and about real cases when the equipment protected people and about the experience of operating such

equipment, and in addition, we are actively working on expanding the product portfolio and involving technologies and innovations and expanding the existing production mr. vladislav, thank you for the inclusion. may your otaka each of your mines clearly hit the enemy, and i would like to remind our viewers that on the air the performer of the press was vladyslav biel without general director of the ukrainian armored vehicles company, which supplies our army with new mortar rounds and other military weapons and equipment. and now we have a second guest on the phone - this is yuriy kislyak, a military expert , formerly an artilleryman, one of whose positions was deputy battery commander of a self-propelled artillery mortar installation 2s9 nona at around four in the years 14-16 p yuriy i congratulate you congratulations congratulations i will remind our viewers that but on s is actually such a basic system of airborne troops of cheremobyl

troops which in some ways resembles the polish eyes rocket mortars, which we partly talked about with our previous guest. i know that you are now actively engaged in the development of artillery. you have your own vision of how our artillery should be transformed, our art unit, especially the mortar component. and i would like you to first of all outline how it is used mortars and why so many you can often hear that there is a lack of mortars on the battlefield, what is the main problem? on the basis of the armored personnel carrier of the 70th, i saw them only in the 14th year and began to objectively study the actual manuals in this unit eh under

the armament commander and began to study their merits and shortcomings and in the video , for example, that this eh well, this mortar is intended for breaking open the enemy's eshebanirovanno defense to suppress the infantry, but with that very success, he can actively and defensively inflict defeats not only. the doctrine of the nato troops, i saw that they, er, they turned mobile tent complexes into a digital format in a modern mortar, exactly the same control system as the hymarsa, the swedes and germans began to actively make mines that are analogues of scolybur, they have, er, how to defeat shrapnel, this is a remote

detonator контактные the infantry detonator also has a high cumulative function , both armor-piercing and armored concrete, that is, they can take children, that's why i'm in the forest. i was ready, so i am not talking about ordinary stationary mortars . because they are very necessary for the army and the 83 and especially the 83 and the 60s and the 120s . on the position intensity, for example, the best examples are finnish and swedish, it is 14 minutes in 30 seconds , and the momentary position is taken, and then its active camouflage, mortar mobile complexes, they work in a complex, because

war is a complex, peace is, and counter is battery-powered radars that work in support of mortars, they go to the americans, for example, on the basis of heavy hummers, and cheetahs , the same ones that cover mortar complexes , here are defeats by vancets and conditions, and these are means of rar and rap, which suppress radio signals, well , in the direction of contact, combat contact with frog, and i on i have devoted myself to this problem since 2018. i actively participate in the second discussion of such people as if i were asking - i constantly did not understand why our state does not pay attention to the topic of mortars at all. well, they do not pay attention, and well, it was right in the service of the ministry of defense, and thank god, thank god, and with my participation, including the hero of the support of journalists and channels e-e

and your channel and the romanenko channel, the topic moved to the dead point of the leadership of the ministry who contacted me of defense, it agreed on some points, because you saw that i, as it were, dived into this topic quite closely, and now normal shifts in this direction have already begun. the formation of a mortar settlement complex is worse than uh such examples signed by uh president zelenskyi and rak they are much cooler they are much better for example if you take sweden

for example, the owls of the 90th engine can work actively without uxp. the poles made a battery management system that accurately attacks like before . restata in sveta, in the swedes, it is even more difficult to send. further, if there is a promising job in the french, the italians have a promising job in the turks. they work according to the system, as i kill the system, and also according to the striker 1129 system. the defense must actively make eh shock companies eh new companies and batteries in each line of brigades and then we will have success.

there should be batteries for honey, you are not alone, it’s better to wear them somewhere tomorrow p yurii now we are actually getting a contract or will sign a contract for these three company sets of mortars eh rak i wanted to hear what the main advantages of this machine are and how it will be used on on the battlefield and three company sets, is it a lot or a lot? can we somehow increase this amount by participating in the production of this machine ? french italians have both closed and open joint-stock companies and, for example, the french rafaldaso, they have their representatives in singapore and in australia and other countries. now, for example , the same

is true. a complete complex of production of something, we must cooperate with the best vpk of the world, this is unambiguous, this is not even discussed, the same thing, pumas or panthers are new german, they are all i am equipped with the same atgms as the israeli ones, and this is how the barrel goes in the whole gun, for example, the germans make a caterpillar track , other countries do it, and we can only squeeze out the operation, i repeat , we must make it become a rammstein mortar. with the poles well, all the countries of our nato partners take these tent complexes, each country is practically our major partner, for example, the spaniards, they are the world leaders in terms of 82 shots and 120 shots per bug, that is, they have, for example, special machines they made a wonderful tent with rebound compensation, the meaning of it is that the operator enters

the data with which he receives the fire control system, that is, either our complex program approved by the general staff, or they receive data from the conventional quadcopter , yes, and these data give exactly the whole instructions, mini names it works intensively, i will tell you such an example that it is sad that the names of the swedish ammunition are 300 - this is 100, this is 100 five shots. well, you call them companies, then they completely cover the problem of advancing the best advanced assault units of the enemy’s infantry and all of them completely solve the question if we still actively use remote types of shrapnel. and when we talk about the importance of the production of ordinary mortars, not mobile mobile, are there any

needs and problems in this, wait a minute, a minute , i have our guest setting up a connection , let me remind you that this is yuriy kislyak - a military expert, he used to be a deputy arterologist the commander of an art battery in 14-16 years and he worked on a self-propelled nox art installation, this is actually such an amphibious mobile installation that actually performs the functions of such a mobile mortar, we had few such samples in the ukrainian army, but we actually during hostilities as such a russian lend-lease took a certain number of these nons on s and they are now actively used on the battlefield, what is their advantage? in fact, this is a mobile mortar that allows you to quickly get into position to open in

fire and leave this position quickly, not without risking that the enemy will use counter-batteries not fire, but we understand that we already have few such mortars. and when we talk about stationary mortars of 120 mm caliber there, we must remember that the mortar itself is there it weighs about 120 kg, the bed frame weighs 80 kg, it is extremely difficult to drag them from place to place, yes, yuriy, i would like to clarify with you from the point of view of mortars, not mobile , but stationary, or whether there is still a need for them, why do our military complain that there is a lack of matt and min see i think at the moment, well, we have to be realists, they are romantics, there is a great need for stationary mortars, which we used by our grandfather even during the second world war, this is 1943, but we will not go anywhere with them. we need to produce a lot of them and

receive a lot from our partners. well, i’ve been watching battles recently on flint, how our e-e mortar calculation took a long time to prepare a position and i can’t leave when the distance through the counter-battery began to work according to our mortar calculation. this is an extremely primitive form of defense, but it is also necessary . you are not going anywhere yet, but ideally we should bet on mobile mortar complexes with digital combat control. in a little bit of business, it weighs 200 kg , and service numbers. in many units, there are 6 people, 3 people, and people simply cannot physically even disassemble this mortar. and you yourself understand that when digit digit well, aim, then you have 30-40 seconds for everything, that is, a modern

language . by the way, swedish is an analogue of the archer , which we now receive a howitzer. well, they fired at, well, in the range from zero to 14 km, where the mobile tent works, and so we must urgently close this coast, but ordinary stationary mortars are also needed without them, well , it is impossible to go anywhere for the time being, despite the fact that they not mobile and as for the snarls, your experience of combat use of the same nona in combat showed that, as i understand it, it was actually on a heavy-duty chassis. now we get cancer on the basis of a-a armored personnel carrier e-e wolverines, which machine is eight-for-eight, and some experts say about the fact that a wheel mortar can actually be much more vulnerable than

the same mortar or a raku tower that should stand on a tracked chassis . do you have any opinions on what works more reliably in combat conditions? well, he has spare parts for two. there were none, and we repaired them, worn-out russian btrds, balancers, we couldn’t find anything. everything was made in russia , and secondly, it is similar in the guidance system, and it is extremely vulnerable. the concept itself is good. - in my opinion, the poles are making this apc based on finnish and german. yes, i am confident in the quality of the german equipment, and i think it will not let us down and it will be

passable normally. mortar therefore that что сейчас проекты zelensky осположение погода улучается погодные оборудование well, this is a weapon that won't let us down, i'm not testing there any last ones. and well, at two o'clock, it's just a flood, an old primitive weapon that meets the requirements of 1971. you mentioned that uh the staff that you used there were stationary by us 120 mm in fact well, i didn’t have time to transfer from place to place or because of general fatigue or some other reasons and the question arises whether there are any er directions where we have special attention devote to the preparation of calculations of mortar e-e in our troops, what should be done first of all so that the effectiveness of mortar

units is higher in 14-15, this is up to the flood, empty salt, no quadrocopters, this is a rangefinder that was carried by 6 people, they were looking for a high point, for example, the train of the battery from the tank and the three carry this is such a dead end , again, one rangefinder that does not give accurate targets and specified whites, for example, by the way we compare but all this happened because people like me outlined and pointed out problems for the purpose of defeating for the purpose of instructions on the preparation of mortar calculations , we need mortars almost on the entire front. steel of the stalingrad battle, when one company is killed, the other is moving, and the advantage in

the hornet is 1:30 multiples on the battlefield, therefore , our only salvation, both in defense and in attack, is a manometer and mortars мобильные миномёты they allow you to hide the quality of it, uh, uh-, well, right now we have small problems with the sound and quickly yes yes p yuri, we hear you and continue your opinion, you say that mobile mortars are still on our heads higher than the samples that we have in the format of stationary mortars, and now you need to better expand the entire range of mortar weapons, look , i’ll tell you this: uh, i’m just asking the ministry of defense, the general staff

, to throw all resources into the formation of uh, mobile mortars of mortar batteries with digital control, they are different, they are, for example, like our bars was, which we did, there is a spruce , there is, uh, on a tracked chassis, is there one, there is a wheeled one, there are mobile mortar calculations for the sso , which are made by the spaniards - this is the 82nd shot, it is chic just for the cheap sso where he passed, well, uh, reinforced hummer type , i am going with these mortars, he is doing the opening of the defense , that is, there are a lot of them, and the achievements of the anatov at this age, kavasalny, we do not have time for what he would waste time on his developments, we now we have to carry out this rammstein and close the gap and use the matte tracked mortar . normal

, high-quality travel, you can use the same one empty, and p. yurii. thank you for your professional comments, for your inclusion in our broadcast , and i would like to remind our viewers that yuri kislyak was a military expert on the espresso channel. previously artists and the deputy commander of the art battery, and now a person who is trying to use his experience to update the capabilities of our art units , so the conclusion is that we should also develop our own defense industry, increase the production of mines, what vladyslav belbas talked about, and also use foreign models of weapons that can help our armed forces destroy the enemy faster and more accurately. so, based on the conversations with our guests, we can conclude that we have all

the prerequisites for our army to be stronger and due to technological implementations and due to the improvement of the skills of our units, which will use polish mortars and ukrainian mines in order to really defeat the enemy on the battlefield , which the armed forces actually demonstrate in these skirmishes with our aggressor and guests of ours . for i'm serhiy zgurets, and then the espresso broadcast will be continued by olga leni and her chronicles of the information war. congratulations to serhiy. well, literally in a moment, we will continue this week. russian pro-landists were focused on a few such topics that turned out to be interconnected in a rather strange way . well, for example, one of the central topics of russian propaganda. it was the topic of what is happening in ukraine around the actual return of churches to the ukrainian orthodox