[000:00:00;00] they remember what is russia and from holland, denmark, france, belgium, well, less friends of ukraine, because they are long, long ago from denmark. there will be a country like the baltics, that is, a country that knows what it is. russia experienced a war with russia, experienced problems. and now it will be a country that speaks first. well, maybe not first, but second, we want to help, we want to что делать мы понимаем россия оригинал или это будет такая ближе к холландиии, well, let's look, let's wait, let's see . how was a referendum in the netherlands about whether ukraine should join

the european union or not ? you think, i think that there will be a storm, they will be in the middle, because the branch is a little special, it happens in one country, we don’t know that there is such a feature , he knows that there is a premium, and the imperial imperial thinking over shrews, that’s all fine to me we know and have met and more than once , and not temporarily, there is one difference between finland and the baltic countries in terms of how many fuckers and yet they didn't lose the election, they didn't lose 20% of our territory, eh- 400,000 films had to leave and their homes, you karelias and got a new one, we agreed it was huge to lose a huge tragedy, the second world war, but they say to you because it still could

have existed, well, how come 108 countries and our political culture, democracy , everything else, this is all left, we don’t have such a personal beer against russia that's how you of the baltic countries, which were bought for 50 years, eh, they bought me . well , in western ukraine, the holiday is the same. we had a very personal peace election when it is clear, well, you are more than just telling me, we decided that we lost a tragedy, it is fair, now we are moving on, but of course, after russia cut ukraine in half, now i feel that you can, like the other one, not what i

a little attitude is nice and changed in finland very much and i know that most of the film i think that ukraine needs to be supported better even more supported некоррентный вопрос вопрос некоррентные политические you said the word vybor, they called out the word korea for a beer on friday evening in vienna escape to a finnish bar finsky plays and if russia weakens, we can take back korea and

vybor." i am a pet, which was the whole spirit of the city you don't believe it, that's why i won't say it. we probably have old men who demand the return of the korean pardon and elections, and they gave it. i think there are more than 100 films for this because the population of the world lives there. it's not wrong. and it would be dangerous to accept them in finland. because it has a very large russian population, now it will be dangerous , so i think that there is no, i doubt it. and tell me, when there was talk of joining nato itself, i thought that sweden would join finland together, i said that it was impossible at all to they separated soobshche system security finland will wait for sweden sweden will wait for finland everything turns out the other way around yes we joined it ourselves and sweden treated

it absolutely calmly now the generator says that they hope that sweden will join nato by july until july themselves there then says the guest secretary of the usa i don't know how it will happen, but in principle they can know better than us , well, that's what had to be separated for the turnout , it doesn't cause any irritation about the quality of nato itself, you already understand can a strong alliance. and what kind of strong tape is this for turkey? hungary can block the security needs of this , not only sweden, it is necessary and necessary . you are talking about a family, this is not a family, this is an alliance, and there is the same one as turkey , who will get a dream, what will help me, russia , the old empire, who will be interested all the time , nick and yardugan, a person who

is looking for his choice from you, who is the number of memories also, the fact that the americans could not simply show their place with their farts , if necessary , speaks for me. pentek is not used to snoring, it's just political culture. you don't know how such people deal with hockey , hotel, sauna , khrushchev

, brezhnev. it was necessary there were no options because we have it or not, but where is the truth that we have more experience with such countries and with such leaders , what should we do, how should we have conversations , that they never want anything, money for you , it is necessary to see a good answer look and we show you the map, all the time when we talk to you, we show you the map and a purely military question arises, this is what finland is talking about, helsinki is talking about it because when you look at the map, what

putin says about the sea of ​​azov, now nato can say about a part of the kraimere part of the baltic sea because russia simply loses access to the baltic sea at the request of nato well, when we talk about the military about the war , let's look at this appendix, which is from leningrad, here is estonia in the south and in the north of finland, there is gotland island and sweden and all of this in general, how would it protect the baltic lakes? yes, this inner lake of nato remained a little bit like that in russia , i was on the sea of ​​it personally . the megatel hotel is a lot, and i have been to it twice. it’s just that i don’t have it. how can it be? it’s so strange and wrong to offend the world

. how, how, and but we know that he’s already for me. how many years has he been sitting alone, bulkers, and i’ve been waiting for him with flowers upstairs. the attack on finland in the 39th year was the result of a big mind. this also resulted in such consequences that no one expected, for the most part, the attack of germany on the soviet union when germany saw what the soviet union was. it's so simple because germany and that's how you attacked it it's understandable somewhere another model of lebes and what he thought in general that it was clear that it was his finger they attacked the soviet union in finland, they went alone with him because the height was flashing, the election was back and there they already took it and you have our second city back and the territories that we lost and if it wasn’t for this attack for you this year, we

went yes and no it happened we personally are a lena, now we will talk about finland, after all, not only about ukraine, but explain to us . why do finns in recent years say that they consider finland one of the happiest people? i can't understand. i was in finland for a very short time . it's cold, but it's colder in kiev, for sure. i don't understand how there can be happiness in a country where it's so cold. i was in finland in the summer for two months, and i understand why finland can be happy. it was warm. i 'm for you, i'm for the audience, vitaliy. not for so that i

, too, can be seen . why, after all, we will ask a citizen of finland. all the time you have to adapt and all the time you have to think that everything will be bad if i think everything will be bad you will not be enchanted and we have no expectations we thought that god all the time that everything was bad and when it is good it is great yes it's good logic, yes, i'm all bad, eh, people, it happens, we can sit on our sensor or glory, we have work at home, and we don't have to let go often, no one will be with us, and spinners would be such things , and what's happening now, we don't like it, that's another thing it's just horrible, but the fact that it will be free, it's also so fast

, the action is too fast for me, politics is also the same with us, the expectation within us is that all the time, it's necessary to prepare, what will be bad, beautiful father , thank you very much, lauren, a finnish journalist and writer, we were talking now there used to be many jokes from finland that the chinese finnish mocha jokes were the dreams of ukrainians many tens of years ago that on the finnish-chinese border everything is calm and i think that many ukrainians now would very much like to hear such a phrase in the news of some finnish everything is fine with the chinese border petro shevchenko analyst of spiran zelin university in china is currently in china 3 o'clock in the morning mr. peter we congratulate him firstly secondly thank you so much i would not have woken up at 3:00

at night, not unlike in italy, which is always ready, because that's why i can immediately say thank you, mr. peter shevchenko, that he still found the time to chat with us. good health, mr. peter , congratulations. congratulations. thank you. well, let's try to understand anyway what happened in beijing and guangzhou, because literally the news is changing, here i am looking at the declaration that was adopted by the president of france and the president of the people 's republic of china literally two hours ago , even an hour and a half ago, which is related to their decisions about how to solve the issue i work for ukraine, we support all efforts to restore peace in ukraine, compliance with international law and not the principles of the un charter, we believe that this is from the quote already drained of the foam, that a political settlement is the only possible way out regarding the ukrainian issue, china has never did not solve this issue out of self-interest , always advocated for justice, all parties

to the conflict must fulfill their obligations , meet each other halfway , in the middle, you know the phrases and create conditions for a political settlement, what is it all about means, well, it means that china fixed its position, which it then presented during its peaceful position and which it then agreed upon during a trip to moscow to change the pin, that is, china. it still adheres to its version of the settlement of the russian-ukrainian conflict , the russian-ukrainian war and this is the declared goal of the european leaders, namely macron and ursula funderlyan, who said that they would like to influence these changes, that is, they obviously could not specifically influence it, and china remained in its position and he also offered france his initiative to put it forward, so let's see how else it will end, whether france will do

something of its own, and on peter, but the controversy between the first phrase that he quoted in italy and the second. and if you take the first part, then everything is written there in favor of 100%, in favor of ukraine and the second prague, the second phrase is to pass the same part of the road, because for the first time this is the un charter, territorial integrity. negotiations but russia will not go for it, it wants to go through some such part, therefore it is correct . i understand that china will still maintain such a balance, on the one hand, ladies, we love the un charter, my permanent members of the security council, but on the other hand, we do not forget about our friends

in moscow, this is a controversy, what's in it, mykola, the first thing you read is the joint declaration. and the second thing is already words, it's a position, yes, yes, yes, yes , definitely. the fact of the matter is that the biggest problem is that china really pays attention to relations with moscow and he will not go against the fact that, for example, he will break his relations with moscow, which he has been building since 2001 , when if only putin came to power. therefore, this is the biggest problem, and so far china still supports the position that, well, if they need to find a political solution. he seems to want the parties to find some kind of political solution, which is currently an unacceptable condition for ukraine. well , that's why we'll see how events will develop. well, i think that china will regulate the regulation - react, that is, correlatively to of the situation, that is, he looked

at how the situation on earth would unfold on the battlefield and then he would react accordingly . french journalists said that, in principle, macron made a fool of himself, that he came to the late guangzhou with a large contingent of businessmen against the background of such a position of the leadership of the people's republic of china. did not speak at all about the thai problem, and only mrs. usula von der leyen spoke about it, and thus the impression is created in china that it can calmly maintain such a position with the european union, not to trade that europeans are interested in china, which position he did not occupy in china , let's say so. yes, this is the main nuance, because there is a chinese saying to throw a stone and get a precious gem, that is, he believes that he can use the economic dependence of the european union, which is precisely this dependence france, france, germany , he can use this dependence on the chinese market to influence western europe not

only in terms of the europeans somehow improving relations with china, but also that europe, western europe also that it moved away from the influence of the united states and china says all the lands, he says so that you should think about strategic autonomy from the united states of america and that's why macron said this phrase about nuclear weapons that other countries should not place nuclear weapons, most likely he meant this initiative to place nuclear weapons in belarus , but also the chinese can prepare how and if the position of france regarding the fact that, for example , france can support the instinct of the chinese so that the united states does not place its weapons, for example, in western europe, that is why the situation is so controversial from the point of view of china, he still believes that if the materialistic factor of this economic ties is an economic lever or as they say in the west, stage craft economics, he always

will be more important than some ideological points, political points and so on, that is why macron, accordingly, did not talk about taiwan because he brought with him businessmen who want to emphasize cooperation and for example look well, i am such a uh in ukraine , a big skeptic. i never believed in the possibility of such a very strong alliance between moscow and uh, despite the fact that i am getting very nervous. that in words there moscow is a pickin we will win there all these songs he had planned and stalin does not listen to us and so on and so on and so on and in business i say huawei is going ali there the woman is going everything everything is quiet unlike the french

english american german companies finnish people spoke finnish, they go quietly, they don’t warn anyone, i even heard some very funny stories from some muscovites, they are hired by a chinese company in the morning, they come to moscow, there is no one there overnight, everyone left and took their things and said goodbye , they didn’t say goodbye, they just went as far as possible and now this visit, which was supposed to be three days, but was one and a half days, and nothing happened there, no, no, we did not get to the visits, i mean all the clashes in moscow, as much as you can believe in this russian propaganda, what are these hugs, there are such suckers that simply and we are afraid and weapons and the continuation of some economic ties and oil and gas and well, in short, all the horrors that ukrainians can paint for themselves. in their heads , they are doing

or painting correctly. in business will not go far, this is actually a very interesting question, because of course , you don't need to believe propaganda, especially russian propaganda, regarding the fact that how can one really see the dynamics of russian-tan relations. you also nicely noted that it is necessary to pay attention to that on economic ties, as well as on various aspects of scientific-technical and military-technical cooperation , because china is not just interested in sucking up these russian resources at cheap prices, which russia now has to sell at a discount because there is this ceiling in terms of oil and there are also sanctions and so on, china also wants to acquire certain old soviet technologies, not only there, for example , in the construction of nuclear power plants, but also in the military sector, for example, because

in general, if the chinese army is completely built on the ruins of soviet technologies, so if between china and russia it is between a senior and a junior dependent partner, because currently the stability, macroeconomic stability of russia is dependent on e-e import export cooperation with china well, and also technologies of the civil sector of the russian federation also, now it depends on china, that's why we can say that there is russian propaganda . the 14th union is not a union, it's just the relationship of a more powerful state with a regional dependency. state but is it possible to underestimate these relations? i think that from the point of view of ukraine, these relations cannot be underestimated, because china is helping the russian federation to stay afloat and help them to strengthen their own defense capabilities, for example, it is china that

supplies microelectronics for russian high-precision weapons, what will he say if we continue this topic ? also before macron's visit, why the hell did the western press treat this visit and its results with such skepticism because just before macron's derman foundation arrived at the office of the prime minister, the chinese made a demonstrative first call to the prime minister of the russian federation mishustin in his new position so that how it looked macron and all chinese publications and all chinese television are coming russian chinese friendship russia is a strategic partner we are with russia a strategic call these are the calls the first visit to the position of the head of the chinese people's the prime minister of the republic of china went to moscow. the first call from the head of the government to moscow. and you are there and it arrived. well, tell

me what you need. that's what worries me . to be honest, as far as this can be considered a signal, it's a signal that emphasizes the fact that at the moment situational cooperation has been established between moscow and beijing, which takes place on three levels , this is geositegic cooperation - this is political cooperation, as well as economic cooperation, and the most important, after all, is economic cooperation, because look at china, it is currently still in a state of economic crisis because he was in this fight against covid if there were lockdowns and china he can no longer use infrastructure construction as an economic driver of the western markets they also asked that he cannot use exports to develop his economy and what should he do to develop his consumption, because he intimately proposed the concept of double circulation, what to do to export but also to increase consumption inside china, so

that is, relatively speaking, to create a large average class inside china and what resources are needed for this, where to get resources well, now russia can provide china with resources, it 's not only naftogaz, it's also rare earth metals, palladium, for example, it's wood , it's agricultural products, and so on and so on that is, for china, this cooperation is important now, especially considering that china is still dependent on what energy carriers and also food and it imports a lot of transferred and energy-if through the sea route through the strait of malacca is located near india, and there is a danger that if the degree of confrontation between china and the united states increases, and behind taiwan, then these sea lines, what are they called ? these sea lines and trans-transportation, they can be cut off due to the confrontation, and in this way , if russia has become such

a strategic rear of china, the northern strategic rear of china will supply them with resources on the one hand, and on the other hand, to china's gold, concentrate concentrate concentrate its resources in the south if in the north, guaranteeing him a certain amount of peace there, here we are, as if for china , if it is hectic - situational, if this is a situational formula for cooperation, because as he correctly said , i'm sorry , i don't know your name, one of the presenters said that he does not believe in the depth of cooperation is the depth of cooperation between russia and china and this is true because they are natural competitors and sooner or later russia will play against china why because moscow is afraid of a strong china and the chinese know about it and now they are just taking advantage of the moment it says

robbing the house that lays, that is, i will try to use these opportunities that the resource should provide to china. why because the markets were hit by the hit sales in europe, they closed, what to do china , that's why the chinese took advantage of this moment, mr. peter. and about china inside , let's talk a little, well, a lot who criticizes all dvinkin it is precisely because before his appearance, china grew there by 6-8-10 12% of the head domestic product, and as soon as he came, it became a growth less less less less and now we are talking about mortgage banking crises in crises, financial crises and in general a crisis in a crisis, how to read western labor, there is simply a continuous crisis and simply poor people are getting poorer or simply the economy is not growing as it grew this year they say 2% last year there was 3%.

well, it’s no longer 10-12. and it’s already two or three. how many times does china really have these crisis economic and financial circumstances that can for some reason hinder the development of china, this creation of this middle class , for example . look at the situation because when china joined the liberal economic order of the usa in the 80s, what did they bet on exports to do because the usa and western europe provided what the capital and investment market as well as technology and thus china and growth at the expense of exports wonviz until 2008. then there will be a financial crisis, an economic financial crisis, then china will reorient itself to infrastructure investments , a big chinese construction will begin, it's not just

these houses, well, if they were called latlaks if you're joking, well, men are like anthills, so these big neighborhoods are also transport infrastructure, this is a network of high-speed railways across china, and so on, and so on . china is growing until 2021, and then it's happening exactly. this is how you they said correctly, this is the current crisis, that is, this market was already overheated, that is, the chinese and they already live much better, such as certain europeans, that is, if we look at the statistics now, the chinese. well, if we take one chinese, he owns more housing, if we take meters, cubic meters, he owns more square meters, he owns more housing than , for example, europeans. that's why this market overheated because it was necessary to make china switch to consumption or to public spending, and then the coronavirus crisis occurs. well, i have pay attention to these lockdowns , the strict lockdown last year and here now china

is already leaving, as if nato and new rails when it wants to grow thanks to its own consumption , that is, relatively speaking, tsingpin now says here the chinese worked very well yes and they became hungry shehway that is, this is a society of average wealth now you don't need to work hard now you need to enjoy life consume buy a car buy an apartment buy a lot of luxury things there because when chinese tourists came macron what did he who did he have a good time when in the world why do the chinese like to buy buy various luxury goods they really like to spend their money chinese tourists tourists are very welcome guests there in germany france and so on and it turns out that er, the chinese, now they will be able to consume, create this market . and what is this for? for this, resources are needed to import resources from where is africa, asia, er, russia, and it turns out that latin america, by the way, also turns out that the first and the first article of china's growth will be precisely consumption a large domestic