[000:00:00;00] to investigate from the beginning of the full-scale invasion such data of the security service of ukraine three hundred have already handed over to the court the sellers of the kremlin almost every day they are caught not only over the temporarily occupied territories but also throughout ukraine non-reversibility of punishments of traitors the main goal of the authorities and the guarantee of the eradication of the russian world how does the law work who helps the law enforcement officers to look for the sellers and who are punished darina dobrovolska will tell you , they help the occupiers in holding pseudo-referendums, become adjusters of rocket attacks and surrender the positions of our soldiers teach children in schools according to russian methods, they lead occupying local administrations, they directly conduct business with the aggressor country, and this is just a few examples of how ukrainians deliberately cooperate with the enemy, the inevitability of punishing traitors is

one of the most important tasks for the eradication of russian peace, says the mayor of temporarily occupied melitopol, where at least 700 people agreed to cooperate with the enemy, i would like to draw attention to those entrepreneurs who were engaged in business during the occupation russian passports, which is extremely important, pay taxes to the occupying power and to the country of the aggressor, the company should be held accountable instead, it should be understood that a person or, under fear of death, collaborators should not be named, for example , forestry facts that went to cooperate with the enemy. and there are, for example, people who perform their duty because nothing else is reported

there, roughly speaking, the foresters there or some mechanical operators there in order to clearly clarify who the traitors are and define for them a fair measure of punishment from the beginning of the full-scale invasion ukrainian legislation was dynamically changed, therefore the criminal code was supplemented with an article on collaborative activity, so now officially those who publicly deny the war against ukraine and support the aggressor state are called sellers methodists in educational institutions who finance the occupiers or conduct economic activities with them will be called collaborators and the one who organizes or participates in the political activities of the occupiers together with the article on collaborationism to tesla's criminal code and another favor to the aggressor state, around which

discussions are still going on, it duplicates in many respects the previous article on e-e collaborative activity so 111 prim 1 and immediately there was a remark and why what is already what is already accepted why should it be duplicated again and this is really a problem because this is a problem of the qualification of the crime and if the investigator evaluates it incorrectly and submits it the verdict on the wrongly assessed articles is already before the court, what will happen? and it will be quite simple, the court can, er, issue a justifiable sentence , according to the lawyers, it is already clear that all kremlin traitors will definitely appear before the court . however, the punishments will be different .

for 15 years, and the other for life, and not only law enforcement officers contribute to this, an e-mail box to which all residents send data about certain collaborators whom they know, the resistance movement is definitely working in the temporarily occupied territory. even if we let's see in the last three weeks, something is happening with cars, even the trees resist when the trees explode when some collaborator passes by them, you should inform everyone who has any information , for this you can call the hotline of the national police or sbu or leave a message in their chat - botah in telegram darina dobrovolska we are ukraine marathon the only news meanwhile the national security and defense council together with the government is preparing a new sanction

list of persons who work for russian aggression against ukraine this was announced by president volodymyr zelenskyy, according to the president, they will be blocked, we will hear the nsdc apparatus together with the government, together with the ministries, is preparing a new powerful sanction list of persons who work for aggression, they will be blocked , how wonderful igor reitorovych, who is now in our studio, a political scientist and political consultant dobriy evening, you found the time to visit us personally to talk about such important topics . so, the struggle with collaborators is a process that, in principle, has been going on permanently since 2014 here should not be ruled out. but isn't it strange that in the midst of the russian federation's large-scale aggression, there are people not even in the temporarily occupied territories, it's not some kind of condition there. well, there is probably no reason to wonder why, since they worked with such people for a long time, that is, these people did not change their position today, if

you look at when they are detained there, for example , look at their history, it is clear that they basically had some kind of relationship with russia the federation had some kind of positioning. well, from time to time they hid it, that is, they didn’t go out on the streets, they didn’t tell us that we were waiting for russian tanks and so on, and then when the large-scale aggression began, maybe they just received some additional tasks and began to implement more actively in life, that is, as a rule , the russians worked with these people much earlier , it’s just that now it’s coming out because there are more checks, which is logical, yes, uh , the security service of ukraine works much better there, they have strengthened various such measures, and such people are simply better detected and brought to justice. i think that some other part is small, because when we hear the numbers, sometimes they seem not so small. this is a real drop in the ocean, that is, there are very , very few such people, but yes. unfortunately, they exist and, in principle , there are certain difficulties, difficulties in

finding them in some way, but those who come across well, they should get under all the severity of the law. how do you think russia will act now with the ideas that are now in place and you have implementations and punishments that will now exist in relation to collaborators? russia will try even harder to recruit people here who will continue to exert influence or do they see that there is a struggle going on the security service is working, and it is probably worth stopping now, as they will not follow any logic, because their task is to find such people who can be relied on in some way or give them some tasks that they will perform after all, when they report to their leadership, they report on the number of those they recruited , but as far as we know, including the information that comes from russia, to their respective structures, well, at least the last year or so, but only the first few months, so far there was a large-scale invasion, there was one story

, and then, in fact, the last 10 months have been about 10 months . the management is making very big claims because they say where are the new people who will work, and they don’t really do it because they already have they used everything possible on who was compromised, they used this compromised, there was some kind of previous cooperation, they tried to buy someone, well, you know, many people don’t work for money, in principle, how much you don’t offer, and that’s why they mainly recruit or those who, well, really have nowhere to turn, if we look at it those collaborators are very often representatives of some openly marginalized groups or people who had problems with the law in ukraine and russia , he simply says that we will forget something there but you well, for that you will work for us accordingly. that is, they are clearly not the best representatives of ukrainian society. we should speak frankly about it, but well, they somehow recruit er, they say that well, for cooperation, some group there, all basically the same, held it back,

remember, yes, this is a person just as you say, he is a representative of a marginal part of society, and this is probably a classification that certainly exists , yes, there are those who had frank problems with the law. as a result, there was an unpleasant surprise. well, maybe not a very good example of how to look. but there was a stream of usov who, in principle , tried to do something, and he did not succeed because his ideas and activities were not popular in general, that is, he was not competitive with the russians, this competitiveness as if they were removed at a certain stage. such people got out, but in them. well, as a rule, the end is very bad, the same, well , the same. when they have the sense, they try to leave through russia or some other third country. well, we can literally count them on the fingers of one hand, but there are such people, and most of them already understand that

they are on the hook and there is only one way for them. they run as long as they have enough strength, and then either they clean up their own or there are partisans there, or they simply understand that when the ukrainian army comes , the territories there will be liberated and they will have to answer to the law. by the way, for them it is for today day is not the worst option because you can spend there 10 years or how many depending on the classification and then be released and the main thing is to save your life or in russia. they also have a lot of influence and through social networks they somehow negotiate with people who live on the territory of ukraine. well, they don’t seem to be in ukraine. we can’t follow them, and it’s even more difficult to detain them. there are also many such agents, well, in social networks, for example networks or, well, where they carry out their activities. you need to fight them with the help of the means that are there, block them, contact the relevant authorities, enter them into some cyber security, by the way, enter them into some

registers that exist in many, for example , european countries, and so on from the other side on the other hand, these people should also be the focus of attention of our law enforcement agencies if they are carrying out as there are certain so-called bloggers. well, that 's what they call themselves, so they are suspected . yes, they are not yet within reach of our law enforcement agencies, but there should be a suspicion raised, there are certain investigative actions, by the way, we have on the issue of justice in absentia it should work when the international tribunal is already created well , let's talk here, not only putin and his closest accomplices will be caught there are also a huge number of people , citizens of the russian federation, who will also be responsible, and accordingly, the material for them should be collected now so that they know that they already have it and when there will be some the situation is catastrophic, they will have to answer to someone. this can affect you. well, if you put moral pressure on them, they will begin to do their work worse. someone will try

to get out of this story altogether . in the end, well, there are many similar examples in world practice when they already understood that the end is inevitable. they or there, well, they stopped doing what they were doing, some of them ended their lives by suicide, that is, here, in principle , the element of such pressure must be present, so it is very good that in our country, i have been watching lately, for example, the sbu became more active in this regard, they raise suspicions against those people who even left ukraine, but the very fact that their surname has already been revealed explains why this person will be brought to justice when he goes out or tries to go out on someone in ukraine, these people knowing about about the suspicion and many other things. well, they will probably think about it in addition. is there any point in cooperating with this person at all, but simply listening and even more so trusting, that is, these investigations and units that are interesting is conducted, including the security services of ukraine, as well as the dbr, there are long stories

, when it seems that everything has been forgotten for a long time, and now i mean the case . let's call volodymyr sivkovych like that. in general, and here, please, two days ago the security service and the dbr conducted searches of 15 companies - this is only in one kyiv region , they are accused of having connections and working for the money of volodymyr sivkovych, who is suspected of being a spy and treason and is on the territory of the russian federation since 2000, well, probably from the 14th year. yes, since december 2018. i understand that he was a curator there of certain areas, let's say. and right here. you know such a gap in time. it should not be surprising that they hid very well, in general, because the sbu, they hid companies and it is clear that the effectiveness of the work of our law enforcement agencies at different times was different , well, this is objective, yes, they worked somewhere. sometimes they worked better

, sometimes they worked worse. now we see that the activity has increased very much, even just to look quantitatively at the number of cases they open, but judging by the materials that even we see publicly, when they publish some parts there, it is now sent, the main thing is that it is clear that it is very high -quality, it is not easy. for example, there in russia, and then it was closed in them, the evidence is visible there, there is increased work. they are really pulling out some old cases that seemed to have no prospects already there. it turns out that they have prospects because if simply it is better to dig and search, you can find a lot of very interesting things. i think that we will still see enough new stories , but such not very pleasant ones, but it must be done because it is a process of cleansing, including from this agency that has been introduced here for decades, there is still a sleeping agents are different. so, people about whom you would never think that he might have something to do with this . some people there do not know at all that his company

has any funds. it is possible that it was diverted somewhere. because he was engaged in other issues there, but all this it is necessary to investigate, it is necessary to check. and this is a matter exclusively of our jurisdiction of our uh. well, let's say it is our business. how will we judge it, decide, condemn, give them punishment according to our laws, and so on . can we expect that this will be such a joint package of cases that we can then transfer to the hague court, for example, and we will be able to punish already at the international level those people who targeted critical infrastructure objects, who reported, directed , cooperated with russia. is it weak for such a level of words, if all these people are accurate they have, for example, a passport of a citizen of ukraine, well, first of all, our justice system will deal with it. and this is normal, because they will be tried here, by the way, there, for treason, and that's enough, such, yes, these are serious articles , that is, they receive the maximum punishment, because

you know. with all due respect to the european legislation there, it may be that in those courts they may receive less than they would, for example, receive in ukraine, because they will be judged there, well , the cases will be qualified in a different way. and if they have the passport of a citizen of ukraine, in addition to targeting critical infrastructure, a person receives treason and many other things that people who do not have passports have. well , from the beginning, for example, they were citizens only there of the federation. it is clear that here it will be more optimal to apply at the level of all international institutions, e- well, it will depend on what kind of jurisdiction this tribunal will have in general, how many tribunals there will be , because it is far from a fact that it will be one, there may be several, this is work, well, for years in reality, however, i think that everything should be carried out in parallel. where we can detain, we detain. if these people have to be included in the case, which will be considered already at the level of the international tribunal, i am convinced that they will be extradited, they will be transferred there, and there are no problems here, the main thing

is that justice be served. it was carried out and these people in one form or another suffered this punishment . the logical conclusion is to transfer the cases to the courts. well, the court will decide whether the person is guilty or not guilty. if you know about the punishment, it will also have a preventive, certain war is not over yet and when such sentences are passed and people, including them, see what you should not do there no matter how you hide, no matter how much money you get and you are still found, then someone who will be offered again maybe well, he will think that well, he will see a picture that can be finished very, very bad and why should he risk what well he has for it is not known what is related to the president's engine sichi vyacheslav boguslaev, the story has been going on for several months, you know the latest news that the helicopter was dismantled there and should not

have been and refused to supply it for the needs of ukrainian intelligence, now suspicions have been announced, vyacheslav boguslaev ran away. in my opinion, he didn't do anything at all so that he believed that he would not be touched, that no one would expose him, that he would not be exposed, that, well, he has nothing, for example, there, well, there is some evidence to gather from him. they guaranteed that all the conversations and everything else are still hidden, nothing will ever affect you and you are absolutely protected. well, of course i am. well, i can't say whether they have been refuted or not. for me, they have not been refuted. we have seen and heard. yes, the court will decide anyway, but it turned out that he believed that he was the kind of person to whom no one

would come. years worked there, yes, or even if something happens, he will be able to somehow get away with it, well, it is very difficult to get out of there when a person directly says that we are waiting there, yes, we do, we trade, we sell , well, that is, in principle, these are things for which punishment must be borne. by the way, we have already mentioned about punishment and about certain punishments for the company and those who also work for russia , there is talk of active work on the eleventh package of sanctions. on the agenda of the countries of the european union, ukraine is working to include the so-called nuclear sanctions against scattered, however, according to the minister of foreign affairs of ukraine, dmytro kuleba, some countries are blocking this initiative, so brussels can introduce exceptions , let's hear it, there are a couple of countries in the european union that depend critically on the nuclear technologies of the russian federation, and accordingly they block

, block these sanctions at any cost, so when these sanctions will be adopted with a high degree of probability , one can predict that there will be exceptions for these countries, well, this is a separate topic, yes, international sanctions in relation to, in particular, dew, that is why there are suspicion of course it could be by country and where rosatom now has investment projects actually with the money of this russian company that is being built, well, turkey, and hungary , well, the situation is more complicated in hungary, but in turkey, please, well, here the turks know the sanctions, especially in this respect, yes, because they have a separate policy of their own, but hungary is a complication, not a complication, but they have the right to veto a large bill and they can block the general package, they have repeatedly, by the way they talked about this, which leads to internal disputes in the european union, because poland is a baltic country, they are the promoters of this idea, they categorically talk about it even there from the fifth package, they say that well, we

cannot impose sanctions against everything and leave the nuclear sphere alone yes, it is necessary to strike at it because the russians are taking advantage of it. if we introduce sanctions against the russian nuclear power industry, believe me , the rhetoric of the russians will change very soon. what could be removed from the six-sanctions, so it is possible that our minister meant that , for example, sanctions will be introduced. well , maybe not as big as we would like to begin with, but we see that, as a rule , they go on increasing, one package later the next, but for some countries, hungary in this case will make some exceptions, although again, the same hungary could have found an alternative a long time ago, and this alternative would have been offered in the european union, but since they, uh, well, they use it more for internal some there it will be very difficult for politicians and the hungarian authorities to refuse it. by the way, it is a similar situation that everyone supports sooner or later. one country will say, but we

are against it, we consider it wrong, and so on . well, again, they are doing it not for their own benefit . why? because the irritation is growing. sooner or later there will be internal reforms of the european union. and all these games of veto-democracy. well, they will simply end because this is not about democracy. in fact, i am abuse. well, if there is a desire to punish, why then the eu countries are increasing. as you said, why can't we immediately hit the most painful points, because naftogaz and what is connected, well, in general, with certain things that russia can export, this has always been the most painful. well, they hit it as hard as possible , but not immediately that is, well, because there is a moment of dependence here, we need to get rid of it. well, because , well, we know. of course, we wanted them to do it immediately, but the governments of these countries must take into account the internal political

and economic situation. is it possible lead to some problems of a socio-economic nature and, accordingly, the anger of the people, well, the anger of the electorate, well, it will be transferred to them and they will lose this power. that is why they are doing, well, logically, they gradually find a replacement, this is what germany did. we criticized a lot there and said why not, but we must give credit by the end of the 22nd year , they completely abandoned oil and gas, yes, it was a long time, yes, there were certain problems, but they did it, there will be a very similar situation where they need a certain replacement, they will look for it, they have already found it, in fact because you are the united states. they said that we are ready to give you separate programs and separate projects. we will supply you so that you gradually get rid of this dependence on russia, and the second thing is that there is a certain fear, it persists, that if we suddenly hit the center right away, yes they say that the decisions made are in russia, then the russians have finally. well , the roof will blow off there and they will start doing some inappropriate things because there will be

no deterrent factor at all, we in ukraine understand what a big, big deal this is an illusion because they are already drawing so many red lines, then they are erased and removed , but in europe this fear persists and that is why they want to do everything gradually look at the reaction depending on the reaction, make the following decisions, another topic is the successful special operation of the russian special services on photoshop in the main intelligence department of the ministry defense of ukraine commented on the leak of the so-called classified military documents on the preparation of the ukrainian counter-offensive , according to the representative of gur andrii yusov, such the launch will not be called the plan of our state, and the published data do not contain any secrets of the talicetat. in recent decades, the most successful operations of the russian special services took place in photoshop. from the preliminary analysis of these materials, we see false figures on losses from both sides. part of the information is clearly collected from open sources and is not for anyone. it is a secret that ukraine is asking questions about

aviation, tanks, ammunition and other things that are needed for the quick liberation of the occupied territories to save lives andrii yusov , representative of the main intelligence department the ministry of defense broadcasts a national telethon. this is an interesting story, because this propaganda affects the military directly and on the front lines, the russian military who believe that they have already won, it is necessary to take a little more, literally five cities and villages . well, it is also necessary to have some influence here any arguments at whom it is aimed and how ukraine will deal with it. well, it seems to me that this fake that we saw had two key tasks in mind : the first task. the wedge between us and our western partners there is really not clear here, do they blame them or us for this leak ? well, the americans took it seriously and they say that there was a leak, but it is clear that they worked very hard with the documents

, most likely they issued the wrong documents there not directly there, you know, with a vulture. it's completely secret. and those that we used were a large part of people who were involved in decision-making processes , because there really is, well, we didn't learn anything new there from the big ones. that's all. it is clear that some numbers were simply rewritten, this was done in order to sow this despair, it did not work because in our society, in principle, in society as a whole, i am silent about our military, there is power in our country, we are immune to this, we can check it, we are discussing now yes, everyone could see these documents themselves today, some of them were in social networks and just for themselves. to draw conclusions, i see on facebook that people who have nothing to do with the army simply compared the facts and said that well it it looks funny from the other side. i think it was something aimed at the internal russian audience . look, we have the best intelligence. our spies get everything from them. it’s already a disaster. we lost there , i don’t know. 10,000. ukraine lost 2 million

there. well, there, well, there was such a thing, well, there, all the adequate numbers are simply written. yes, and uh, i saw it. well, you have to look at the specifics of the activity, and you have to look at some russian sources there, there are certain ones, even the russians themselves wrote that the news is not at all idiots. well, we we understand how it is done in photoshop or in pdf and something is fixed somewhere. if you sculpt something, then sculpt it. what will it look like? well, it will look logical, but it's in-in let's say it's in the traditions of these russian special services, since they don't have a very high level of professionalism there, but they again need to submit a plan to put a check mark so that they do something, but they made such a throw, which i think will play more against the legs than actually help in anything, well, it is very interesting , thank you for these comments that we two heard, igor reityrovych was our guest studios a-a political scientist political consultant we continue the national marathon, the only news continues

, we are live on the air, we continue to watch the news, on march 13, 2014 , the national guard of ukraine was renewed in combat conditions, the units of the national guard were among the first to defend ukraine from the army in the east of the russian federation, many volunteered after the maidan. today , national guard soldiers cooperate with law enforcement agencies, with border guards, with the armed forces of ukraine . cottage cheese on all fronts for work at the limit of human capabilities and even thanks

to it from the entire people of ukraine, the people , a year ago, russia unleashed a great war in ukraine, as it was for hundreds of ukrainian athletes, for me the choice was obvious to compete for the victory of my native country on the front line instead of a tennis court , a trench instead of a racket, a weapon in the hands, instead of a wildon , on a hotter point, the indomitable bakhmut, instead , a russian, belarusian athletes support russia's aggression against ukraine, remain silent and continue to compete in a neutral status this opportunity is provided by it-pp www this is a shameful decision of amok in general the admission of these athletes to the olympics under a neutral flag however, we all know that it is directed by ukrainian blood, i urge you to support ukraine on the sports front when you do everything possible to remove russian and belarusian athletes from of all international

competitions and olympians, terrorists have a place in sports, silence kills the news on the air, we are talking about the most important thing at this hour, a new list of sanctioned persons who work for russian aggression is the nearest president volodymyr zelenskyi said in his evening address that he had held a meeting with energy companies at which he discussed the issue of protecting the energy system under any conditions. zelenskyi also spoke about the rate meeting where they discussed strengthening ukraine's defense capabilities. the first rate is the main focus because i am for avdiivka and bakhmut for luhansk region for each of those directions where the enemy