[000:00:00;00] in poland and in europe, it seemed that the presidents of the two countries had reached an agreement. moreover, against the background of the resignation of poland's minister of agriculture, it already says a lot when the minister of agriculture on the day of the arrival of the ukrainian president makes his duties. it would seem that the president of ukraine promised that there would be no supply of polish to poland of ukrainian grain in the near future , the minister of agriculture of ukraine and poland agreed during a meeting at the border crossing at the yagodyn road crossing , but the protests continue, the blockade of e-e the border crossing should take place again, what is happening around this situation in general, you are absolutely right in that one of the issues that was acute during the visit of president zelensky to poland was

actually the issue of ukrainian grain, but in fact it should be the issue of the transit of ukrainian grain through the territory of poland because er, as er, ukraine and poland agreed earlier, this grain should not remain in poland, it should go further to those countries that ordered it or that expect it and why does it remain in poland, when actually it was necessary, well, during the visit of the president, it happened this way, because as a rule , in such acute situations, they always wait for an opportunity, this opportunity, actually, the visit of the president, uh, what the presidents agreed on, what uh, prem they agreed on what the minister agreed on, but in fact, it is necessary to create such conditions that this grain did not remain in poland , well, someone from poland leaves it, someone keeps it in poland, and it is polish farmers, so

to a certain extent, i do not rule out that this topic is obvious except for the topic of making money on grain because they buy, i understand ukrainian farmers, they export uh, this grain from ukraine . they sell it because, well, there is no storage in ukraine. and where to store it then? especially since there is an obligation to take it away, and we are interested in our farms , interested in sending it outside of ukraine. it

to do it through the territory of poland through the land corridor, i understand our farmers, they give it away and sell it, but then i don’t quite understand the polish farmers who buy it, they buy it, keep it in warehouses and do not send it on, in fact, this grain should go further, but how is the export made in poland then well, who is interested in this, apart from the element of this financial business, what can be earned from this grain if it is possible to earn money actually because of that and asked this question because now farmers in poland were buying it ukrainian grain, and now the price of grain on the world markets is falling, and it is not profitable to sell it. looking like this and storing it also creates problems, and the second question seems to me that there is still a political component in poland . parliamentary elections are approaching and some political parties will use this anti-ukrainian rhetoric , anti-migration rhetoric in order to plant

their positions. well, in principle, this is the most important moment. they say that the protesting farmers represent the so-called nuclear electorate of the party right-wing justice if if this situation is not resolved if these protests do not end, the right-wing justice party may lose power in the country, but why do these representatives of the nuclear electorate of the right-wing justice party need to largely clear the way for liberal forces because, by and large , there is no chance of anything else more right-wing forces can come to power, they simply understand this electorate. well, i get the impression that these farmers are not even that close to law and justice anymore. how much closer they are to the confederation of even more right-wing and right-wing parties

and they will cooperate more with them so that this topic of ukrainian grain, but i could even spread it a little, not only the topic of ukrainian grain, but in general the issue of ukrainians or migrants was, well, alive even during the election campaign, public opinion polls show that approximately 10-15% of society, including in poland , does not accept migrants at all, we all remember well how poles accepted ukrainians, how they helped ukrainians, and this help continues continues, but 10-15% of the population still , well, in general, they are not satisfied with any migration processes, and i do not rule out that certain political forces will use various devices to attract the support

of those 10-15%. especially before the parliamentary elections, are there any ways to solve this problem according to the ukrainian way, or is it after all an exclusively internal polish problem, no, i think that this is such a zombie with poland and it is in the interests of both ukraine and poland to solve this issue first . we do not have relations with poland it is necessary that the ukrainian card be played during internal political e-e struggles or processes in poland, and we actually need to give this grain to those customers who are waiting for this grain, and therefore we, together with the polish authorities , need to do everything necessary so that this grain really goes in transit through the territory of poland, there are various options , and this is that the documents that need to be presented to customs and issued, only this one for me, which goes directly to the ports and will be directly loaded

on a ship or there are certain polish sides offers to make a certain deposit for the fact that this grain will not remain on the territory of poland and will expect the shipment of e-e to other countries, it must be grown to decide what is the best way actually e-e of the ministry of agriculture, the ministry of infrastructure and ensure that this grain does not settle in poland and i understand correctly that in poland there are simply no ports of such a level that could cope with such volumes of production absolutely true absolutely true why, therefore , they can't, the problem with that is that these ports are busy and not only grain, they also had other goods, but they do not have such capacity, and therefore sometimes this grain is waiting for loading, but it should wait for loading and not

be sold on the polish market . until ukraine becomes a member of nato and the european union in certain uh, of course, positive processes in relations are taking place, they have already taken place, and there is probably already the potential to develop them in italy uh, hmm but i think that even in such a status as i am now ukraine is the status of a candidate for the eu, and the status of nobility is still uncertain , but it is close to nato. but i think that this status of ours will be outlined more clearly at the july summit in vilnius and the nato summit, so i think that there are prospects for cooperation between ukraine and poland already at this stage

er, first of all, in the issues of er, the restoration of economic cooperation in ukraine, we see sep- cooperation of the military-technical bloc, and we saw it actually during the president's visit to poland, when the agreement on the joint production of ammunition for tanks will be signed this is a very good sign and signal for the direction in which we could develop right now at this stage, knowing also that many ukrainian companies from the military industrial complex have partially transferred their production because they plan to transfer their productions to poland, so the potential is quite serious , as well as for polish films that are interested in entering the ukrainian market now because they know this market, obviously everyone is afraid of this even while the shelling is happening

russian missiles by russian missiles, but nevertheless, certain steps and certain intentions on the part of polish companies have already been announced, and this document on the memorandum on the support of polish companies in ukraine was also signed, that is , there is still potential, but in fact, this ukraine-poland alliance will develop quite strongly and powerful when ukraine becomes a member of the eu and nato or actually in the process of joining the eeu, i wanted to talk to you about uh, here you are saying that finland's entry is an additional argument for ukraine's membership. there are no military actions on the territory of finland, fortunately, but this is for at least two reasons. first, donato's entry into finland is the expansion of the alliance to the borders

of the alliance to the borders of russia . for russia, it was an iron argument . why can't ukraine get closer to nato because russia is against the fact that the borders and borders have come closer or were close or were close to the borders on they support ukraine's membership in nato, they say well, we can't annoy russia , since they don't want it to get too close to its borders, so let 's find another compromise option, we won't accept ukraine into nato, but finland was accepted by 1300 km of common the border with russia now has uh nato has also increased this this this uh this distance and for us this is a good argument

to use in our conversations and negotiations with those countries that have doubts about uh using the russian rhetoric for their position on ukraine's rejection of us. that is, well, in fact, i think that we are now breaking this uh, this uh, this ground, but besides that, everyone perfectly understands that nothing happened, well, there were several statements there in russia regarding finland that she became there, we will, well, there are some threats, but in fact it all remained rhetoric, possibly even for internal use, so this is a serious argument , the second serious novel is finland's preparation for nato, which took place during

the last few years, when nato was in changed its i'm sorry, when finland changed its weapons, it was transferred to nato standards, we now have both nato standards and nato weapons and our military who are undergoing training in nato member countries. that is, we are technically prepared for membership in nato in the same way that finland was prepared for this, it remains for us only to get a political decision, and if you imagine when it can be after the end of the war, there can be some preliminary decisions during military operations, how should it be at all to happen, i frankly think that during the war the nato member countries will still not agree to accept us as members, but we have the right to claim separate e-e security systems or separate

security guarantee mechanisms during the war from e-e of nato member countries and from nato as a whole. i think that if the war does not end by july, before the e vilnius summit, then we are right, together with our partners and alliances, that once again returning to our discussion of president zelensky's visit to poland, the president duda of poland said that he will seek separate security guarantees at the vinnytsia nato summit. i think that july is the month. we will need to develop such a mechanism that would guarantee our security even if military operations continue. thank you , mr. andriyem. and poland, in the recent past, we have been in touch with religious problems, now we will transfer that we are in touch with vyacheslav shkolov, the head of the department of cooperation with religious communities of the civil service of fellow politicians and

freedom of conscience, congratulations, mr. vyacheslav, good afternoon, the head of your state service for the politics of freedom of conscience, viktor elensky, today in an interview with deutsche welle, emphasized that local authorities cannot ban churches , he commented in this way on the decisions of certain local authorities that supported the ban on the activities of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate on the territory of their regions well, of course, we can say absolutely specifically that local authorities the authorities cannot ban church communities and that this does not correspond to ukrainian legislation , but this is what is happening, and as a result, there may be lawsuits and that is why it is important for all branches of the ukrainian government that children are extremely balanced, because it is possible to win some temporary victories. and then this will all be canceled in the courts. that is why we need to think about how to act

strictly according to the law. the law now does not allow local authorities to have such powers to prohibit any evasion of the organization . moreover, according to the current legislation all this must be done through the court and the draft law that is currently under consideration in the verkhovna rada also provides that the banning of any religious organization must be done through the court. to what extent do you even allow that this draft law will be passed , which particular draft law will be passed from those draft laws which are already under consideration by the ukrainian parliament, but none of them have been brought to the floor. neither parliamentary nor governmental . well, of course, we, as the state service of ukraine , support the government draft law and we hope that this draft law will become a law, and we are also waiting together with everyone for the review of this law and its adoption, because we believe that this law is a balanced approach to the situation

, there is no alcohol ban, and that is the right of each party defend one's interests. and can you explain as an expert the main difference between the parliamentary and government draft laws, er, well, look, er , now, over the course of a year, a lot of different draft laws were er, registered in to the verkhovna rada regarding the ukrainian orthodox church well, some of them simply, frankly, were surprised by the extremely inappropriate terms used there, the parliamentary bill that provides for the ban of the russian orthodox church of ukraine well, first of all, we only have one russian orthodox church er, there is only one stauropygium monastery, er, which is directly subordinated to patriarch kirill

, there are no more religious organizations of the russian orthodox church in ukraine, and that is how it should be directly ukrainian the orthodox church is recognized as such - its certain affiliation with the center of moscow is recognized, but still, uh, well, you need to pay attention to how it is registered in its name, for example , there is no moscow patriarchate or russian orthodox church, and that is why it provides for exactly that government law. it concerns not only the ukrainian orthodox church, although first of all it is about this religious association, and in general about religious organizations that have a center that they can be guided by, that are in the country of the aggressors, and that is why it is important here, not general there are some prohibitions, because it will simply violate the international obligations that ukraine has taken upon itself, and here we are starting from another point: the ukrainian orthodox church has the opportunity to detach itself from the moscow center and become a truly

ukrainian religious organization that is not has nothing to do with moscow, there are already such precedents with others, you can find out how you imagine the path of reconciliation when they do not recognize the canonicality of the ptzu, they do not recognize the canonicality of the ecumenical patriarch, they recognize the canonicality of the russian orthodox church disconnect from what they recognize as canonical and that will definitely not give them autocephaly how should this happen, the process is clear that yes , it is clear that the issue of autocephaly it is very complicated, confusing and fast they can never be resolved, but for example, yes, the ukrainian orthodox church of its time catching up with the decision of the russian orthodox church, well, it broke off relations with those churches that recognized the orthodox church of ukraine , that is, if it made such a decision, then it can cancel these decisions and start

a dialogue with those churches and the church itself, because just the lack of his dialogue led to the fact that now we have an extremely acute problem between church relations, which leads to such spontaneous decisions on the ground, and emotions are running high , the tension is growing, and this is, of course, extremely dangerous in the conditions of russian military aggression for ukraine, you see among the hierarchs of the orthodox church of the ukrainian orthodox church of the moscow patriarchate a willingness to restore communication at least with the ecumenical patriarch. not to mention the work. currently, i do not see such signals from from their side, but still, you know, nadiya dies last uh, that's why i don't see , for example, uh, and jacob, i'm an expert as a person who studied the history and theology of the orthodox

church, but i don't see any reason not to do it here you only need the will and the problem here. it is interesting that there are the same circles in the ukrainian orthodox church that support the restoration of relations with those churches with which eucharistic communication was broken and support dialogue with the orthodox church of ukraine, but it turns out that the ukrainian orthodox church was such an authoritarian pyramidal structure is extraordinary and it is a pity that, as evidence, the head does not hear the voice of his own family and does not take it into account in communication outside, in communication within the church with other churches, and here there is a certain conflict that our society is set on the democratization of processes and we are trying to overcome our under the imperial past and church structures, they are precisely very dependent on this , these imperial principles of self-organization, and this naturally creates such

conflicts, uh, because of which there is no adequate communications either inside the church or outside, well, let's try to find an analogy, you were engaged in the re-registration of the tree of the orthodox church of ukraine , that is , the old believer church. in the russian orthodox church and at the beginning of april they are very well, for me it's just you know a certain model, that's how you should communicate, it's polite , it's without scandal, but it was a council decision churches, they gathered, they made this decision, they formulated it very clearly, there is no reading of any kind, it simply cannot be , and they wrote such a letter to their metropolitan of moscow and said that they are sorry, but under such conditions , we can no longer be under your subordination and we ask you to grant us autocephaly and autocephaly we understand that such and such a method is clearly defined, their

number and everything, and they did not wait until the metropolitan of moscow, who, among other things , talked about a lot of things, not support for a special military operation, and they did not they began to wait for his decision, his consent to this, they immediately began the registration of a new church structure and everything in ukraine, since recently there is no diocese of this church, there is no e-e division of this moscow structure, there is an ancient orthodox church of ukraine, but they turned to the metropolitan of ukraine yes to the belokrynytsk meteorite , which has its throne in romania, in braille, he answered them, did you receive documents from there somewhere , it’s just interesting, we didn’t receive documents from there , but i know that there really was communication with them he supported this step, but i would like to draw attention to the fact that it was not a transition from moscow to romania, it is clear, that is, they simply decided to create an independent religious organization, yes. well, according to the idea, by and large, this could

be a model for the uoc mp if they wanted if they wanted if maybe have an influence on them. what do you think? well, look at our service now. every week we receive various requests that we ask not to ban the ukrainian orthodox church. we ask that there is something else. well, very interesting, interesting. interesting. the situation that the believers of the ukrainian orthodox church they appeal to the state in order for it to cut through the acute church problem, but on the other hand, i do not see such appeals to their own sacred superiors. perhaps they exist, but i have not heard about it . that is, it turns out that uh- believers of the ukrainian orthodox church, they do not see the possibility that this issue will be resolved by their e-e their hierarchy by their hierarchs. they appeal to the state, the state, please

resolve this situation and please , a fair way, the state will do this resolve and will be as it knows how it can, i hope that it will be really done in view of all the commitments that ukraine has accepted and it will be, well , the right laws will be adopted, but i'm sorry, why the church does not solve the church problem, why? she demands that this problem be solved by the state, if the state will solve it, well , it will solve it as it can do it. and tell me, please, ladies, the numbers. your service reported that no priest of the uoc mp among there are no chaplains in the armed forces of ukraine did they not want to happen, or are there, er, two points that are related to this and that, do you remember this law, the so-called law on renaming

, and there is the fifth part or the fifth article of this law, it just says about that that it is not allowed to give advantages or impose restrictions on the activities of religious organizations that are part of the structure of associations that have a leadership center of front aggressors, but in addition to limiting the access of clergymen , religious preachers, mentors of such a religious organization to parts of the association of the armed forces of ukraine and other military formations, this is one point that makes it impossible for the chaplaincy of the military precisely from the ukrainian orthodox church, another point is that the state service of ukraine is used to the police of freedom of conscience, it does not give out mandates at its own discretion, we turn to us, for example , the armed forces of ukraine, that is, we will receive a letter of the ministry of defense, where it is written, we would like to receive candidacies from such tournament organizations as and how many after that, we turn to religious organizations and

ask them to provide candidates for chaplaincy service and after we receive these documents, if everything is okay with them, we issue a mandate mandate - this does not automatically make a person a chaplain, it gives the right to occupy this position, but we respond to those appeals that we receive from, for example, the armed forces of ukraine , if the armed forces of ukraine do not they are asking us to provide chaplains from the ukrainian orthodox church, so we cannot do it. well, again, the reference to the already cited law, and the hierarchy of the uoc mp itself, it did not address the question, perhaps we somehow have to contribute to our believers in the army, there is someone to contribute, what they themselves did, there were such appeals, there were such appeals, but well, we cannot satisfy the reasons already mentioned above, but at the end of our conversation, we have a couple of minutes left, i wanted to ask you about the transitions, what do you think the transitions will continue from the uoc doptsov and how can they be considered valid because they will come here again and there was no community here, we see how it works

now with patients. i believe that the transitions will continue. i don't know. i'm not sure what it is there will be some kind of mass phenomenon and i urge everyone to use the opportunity to do everything in a legal way, because you don’t need any. well, i don’t think that you need any transitions that are designed improperly and in fact with violations of some legislation that the legislation itself does not it is very clear there, it is very difficult to understand what communities are, by and large, yes. yes, there is a question here, and honestly and personally, my opinion is that all our churches should have what is called a fixed membership. for some reason, orthodox churches abroad have a clear list, so they are theirs. re-parishioners, and who is not, and here, excuse the churches, when they talk about their numbers, for some reason they rely on sociological surveys and not on their property, because

it could be a completely different picture, for sure if there was a fixed member of seven, suddenly you got not what the uoc wanted to show us mp, this may be the answer to the question. you see, yes, there are protestants there, representatives of other faiths, they clearly know who is who . well, of course, because people have to pay money. so when people pay money to receive a community , they know exactly who is who. and when you don't if you want to give a horse to the church, it is only a question not only of money, but also of the degree of democratization of church structures. if you are a protestant, it is normal for general membership meetings to make some decisions . we often see this, for example, in the orthodox community. well, that is a good question. thank you, mr. vyacheslav v yacheslav gorshkov, the head of the department for cooperation with religious communities and the state service for the policy of freedom of conscience, was on the air

. good evening, i will talk about the most important thing together with the news team, and i will start this issue with the situation in bakhmut, the russians are transferring elite units , in particular paratroopers, to bakhmut. this was reported by the spokesman of the eastern group of troops from su, serhiy cherevaty, according to him, such actions of the russian army are caused by the huge losses of the wagnerites in bakhmut the most aggressive wave of allies is losing its potential, but the sent paratroopers of the regular army are also suffering losses, the occupiers are losing about a hundred fighters in the city every day in addition to them, there are wounded and your wounded, added cherevaty, at least two civilians were wounded as a result of an enemy attack on a friend