[000:00:00;00] by china, the united states of america, where china also contributes to this agreement. well, while there are no such agreements and there are no plans on the horizon, accordingly , there is no bell, there are no contacts, you are a journalist . so mr. igor and i will agree to talk about another topic, which is not possible right now bypass what do you think is happening in the middle east now ? can you explain it? i would say the explosion of tensions in lebanon, the volume of lebanon, israel's shelling of the gas sector, israel's shelling of lebanon's territory and the gas sector, a terrorist act in the western part of the country. on the banks of the jordan river, a terrorist act in tel aviv, and i even

have to say that i did not usually watch the news during this broadcast, i assume that something else has already happened during this time, while we are here on the air in the middle east, can you explain in general what why is this happening now in general terms? of course, two important holidays for muslims, jews coincided with ramadan and pesach, and this again focuses on the temple mount on alyakta, and accordingly, it is actually possible to consider again what is the point of bifurcation, these were the events around alyakta. and this it's already further the reaction, the reaction is emotional and hmm and political and terrorist, which we are observing, all of this is already the consequences of those circumstances that did not

arise surrounding the attack, namely, the three-day storming of the attack with the israeli israeli police a-a, that is, because of the riots that took place there, i will remind that they happened due to the fact that part of the jews came up to the temple with ofira, that is, with specific animals in order to sacrifice them, and we can say that this is strictly prohibited by all the authorities of judaism. these are just people of radical views that do not even obey religious logic, it is absolutely true. i am the prohibition of homa maravita - this is the only mission that jews can visit, that is, the western wall or the wailing wall, but there is a radical group that believes that we should rebuild the third temples and, accordingly, destroy the muslim ones

sanctuaries and uh, unfortunately, as of now , the ruling coalition is part of the ruling coalition, ah, well, that ’s benq and the brain. look, they are similar in their views and adhere to approximately the same uh views, and that’s why all this coincided with that that they were supported in principle, the police supported them, and all this caused this wave of riots and then the corresponding reaction of shelling. well, hamas, in turn, of course , is closely monitoring the situation and does not for a moment not take advantage of such opportunities in order not to once again show palestinian society that everything only wars, but he too and only he is the defender of their interests, well, here it is clear. we must mention iran, which sleeps and sees the weakening of the jewish state, and accordingly, it can turn on

its uh-uh proxy at full throttle, the same ones were some and but well as far as i know, there was, at least so far, not taking responsibility for these strikes that were carried out from the north of israel , so some will say, as izbala claims that it was hamaz, that is, a unit of homa . of course, this is a lie. we had some, we did not take direct responsibility for this attack, and all this is happening against the background of large-scale protests due to the judicial reform, you can say why it caused such radical sentiments in society. well, that's why the protests are that a difficult problem because there it is connected with the fact that uh well, let's say this, in israel

there are historical problems with various branches of government and in fact the legislative executive and executive and executive power they chose in the process of the development of the state their right there to influence life with and there are no final decisions that were fixed in some law that clearly fixes what the legislative power can do , what the executive power can do, what the judicial power can be, and uh, it poses complex problems for society. each of these authorities uh, and supporters, they accordingly undermine the decisions of the other a and the new government that has come, they are dissatisfied with the fact that the judiciary has such powers that can stop

the decisions of the new government, the new knesset, the new government, they see setting such ambitious goals for themselves, up to the annexation of the territory of parts territories of the west bank of the jordan river and, accordingly, count on the fact that with the help of their new new reform , the judiciary will no longer be able to stop these political decisions. restraining counterbalances and strengthening the democratic system, or erosion, very serious erosion of the democratic system in israel itself, because even the pillars of liberal democracy are equality and freedom of speech. they were adopted not by the decisions of the basic laws that replace the constitution in

israel, but by the decisions of the supreme court please cancel the supremacy of the court and you will get a situation when the knesset with a simple majority can cancel the equality and you will spawn the words well and or introduce the jewish nature of the state, yes, that is, how this law was adopted, but it is seriously stalled. it is because of the supreme court . thank you very much, mr. igor, for clarifying the situation in israel and hor samovolos, the director of the center for middle eastern studies, was in direct contact with us. and we are with mr. vitaly portnikov we'll be back in a few moments let's continue the saturday period club why am i here i have sensitive teeth eat ice cream pain cold air pain sweet pain the dentist advised lacalutensitive what effectively reduces

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statement, in principle, was primarily adapted to the western audience, because there is a widespread point of view in the west that if ukrainians go to the administrative border with crimea, and if fighting begins specifically for crimea, then it can to lead to an escalation of the conflict, i.e. to a nuclear strike, to be absolutely there exactly in what western politicians and observers believe. i don't understand why it is related to crimea, because of course, before the annexation of donetsk, luhansk, kherson , zaporizhzhia regions, crimea was so obvious that it was excluded that it was not annexed by the russian federation. now i absolutely do not understand why when it comes to crimea, you can use nuclear weapons, but it was about kherson, well, this is from the point of view of russian legislation, so it must be clearly

to say, of course, the regional center of the russian federation as a branch or a course. that is, there was not even a word about it there, but here it is. it is this administrative border that is considered after he meant that after the liberation of kherson by the armed forces of ukraine, they could somehow answer why sevastopol, why yalta and not kherson, or let's say donetsk, well, in addition to the sacred one, we fall into the russian trap in easter of the sacredness of the crimea, but we have already beaten there and that well, i don't understand either, that is, or we think. that is, it is me. i think that he should to be consistent, or we believe that, in principle, hostilities cannot take place on all territories that russia considers its own, because

this could lead to the use of nuclear weapons; weapons, or we believe that the entire territory of the aggressor country can be a target for a strike because, again, from the point of view of the russians, except for the kherson oblast, chebryansk does not differ in the legal sense, everything falls under the influence of the same military doctrines, everything, kherson region, zaporizhzhia, bryansk, kursk, crimea, they are equally mentioned in the constitution of russia, everything else - these are emotions. even the fact that on the territory of ukraine hurts them somehow more, maybe more , maybe less, i mean, we are entering a kind of schizophrenia, you understand, but i admit that in the office of the president of ukraine, they believe that if we torpedo the topic of crimea, they will not give us long-range weapons. let's tell them that we will hold negotiations, and they

will not worry so much, and the ukrainians somehow explained it, in principle, not the ukrainians they give us long-range weapons, and the americans have a certain logic in this, but you understand . i think there is another problem here, which is very important . to what extent, in principle, can we talk about negotiations with russia ? we will go somewhere, negotiations will begin with russia, so oleksandr motil, he absolutely rightly said that he has another hope that if we go somewhere, it may lead to the collapse of putin and then there may be an opportunity for some negotiations with another leader of russia, but let's imagine that this is a dream that will not come true, we wish that putin is in the office of the president of russia or that office is suddenly occupied by dmitry medvedev, as

i said today that ukraine should be completely erased from the political map of the world because nobody needs it and by the way he can negotiate with the west about it. let's just cancel this country and be friends . no one needs it, so in this sense, i don't see any real platform for negotiations at all. there are many people who they believe that something can prompt russia to negotiate, i don't think that this is a european -style war, a european-style war - this is when one state claims the territory of another, you understand, some uh , france and germany are fighting for alsace , taringa, or even closer to us and even wilder sloboda does not care about the fact that all serbs should live in one state, which led to the yugoslav

wars, but they meant that the serbs needed to expel the croats from a large part of the territory of croatia or the muslims of the croats from a large part of the territory of bosnia, from where, by the way, they expelled them there, the so-called republic of seksk as part of the bosnian army, but at the same time, the serbs did not claim zagreb, conditionally speaking, and did not claim a large part of the territory of bosnia, the dukes simply wanted to increase serbia to some large size and in this situation, as strange as it sounds, you can negotiate with the aggressor, if you win or lose, you know, you will get this, and we will take it away, the croats did not want to negotiate, but in any case it was about about the part of their territory that was controlled by the serbs, and the serbs did not declare that they wanted to go further, they declared that they wanted these territories to be part of

the serbian world, about the territory the serbs did not declare serbs and muslims and slovenes and macedonians, they did not say all this to the serbs, although they could be croats they speak almost the same vova as the serbs in yugoslav times. it was generally the only serbian croatian language, you understand, so there is a question, there were possible negotiations . maybe the war there finally ended and not you can say that there is a lot of love here, but they live like this, here there is a completely different idea of ​​ukrainians, there is no ukrainian people , there is no ukrainian statehood, all this is an austrian and polish fiction, and what is there is the territory of historical russia, here and there, where russians have always lived, and galicia or bukovina, well, it’s just

stalin -he annexed the territories of other countries to ukraine, we can give them away, we don't need it, well, not really, it's not necessary , as you said to medvedev, we'll get to lviv, but it's just a question of what we 're negotiating, then i imagine negotiations based on the so-called recognition, as putin says, the recognition of territorial realities. but that does not mean that you know. you know the territorial realities and do what you want. there is also no question . recognize the territorial realities. what is ours is ours. and what is yours is also ours. because you have to arm yourself, where is militarization, denazification, you have to give up nato , neutral status, and you have to give up strategic relations with the united states , well, that is, it is later, absolutely, that's why i have the impression that while russia is, well, well

if putin has enough power and resources to continue the war, he will simply continue without any victories for as long as he considers possible, and that is why i say that the time horizons of this war are simply lost in the mist of ten years. i assume that this year can happen . according to alexander's scenario, a successful offensive, the collapse of the regime, negotiations about something, some kind of truce with the new leadership of russia, it is possible , and in principle, it may turn out that the generation of ukrainians who faced the war will be and see off mr. vitaly, but even if there is no collapse of the russian federation in the near future, but we have reached the administration of the border with crimea, putin still needs to make some decisions even regarding the continuation of the war, while full mobilization, we already see artillery, they have no weapons, they have so many look at the missile strikes , thank god there are not so many anymore because

they have nothing to gather and it is stretched in a certain way, the concentration of the war is also on a specific front, it is correct to take the same all the same, do you think there is something missing, is he naked in full mobilization or how will he explain the continuation of the war, well, you need to have resources in order to continue it, in what amount , resources for a major war, that is a really huge problem, and resources for the continuation of such a positional war can be entered always 8 years before full-scale what is happening now during the war, now bakhmut and avdiyivka to human rights, in principle, it is absolutely similar to what happened in donbas in 2014, uh, 2020, the second year only increases the intensity of fighting. imagine that

it will be attacked by bakhmut less intensity but they are going they are going there shelling there something here really shelling once a month again once a month and a half or there is no option at all some migs just go up and announce an air strike of three imagine what happened ukrainian offensive and the russians, let’s say , entrenched themselves on some lines there stopped and started attacking in some other place, well, in another place, not where the ukrainian mood is , somewhere in the donbas, in some other geographical point. the situation is already there and then we liberate this city in the end russia is not a liberation we are defending the russians, the russians stop there, they cannot pass there and blow to some other city there is a big border, a big line of confrontation, yes , it is possible ad infinitum, now what happens from the west, the west says well,

good all this is ok, but you can start negotiations, there is a risk of such a thing, the russians can start negotiations, i apologize, but we must recognize the territorial realities as they are , and we will directly address some other things in the minsk agreement, because we cannot do it with this agree, because any negotiations cannot lead to this impasse, and now the ukrainian government itself, how is it behaving in this situation, it is the population, in principle, i see that the war is concentrated in a specific area, so it is as if nothing threatens the people, it is time from time to time, missile attacks, they are before this, and martial law , and mobilization. and can people return to ukraine in this situation, the status of ukrainian citizens who live there, if

martial law is abolished, will it be extended, are there men, let’s say, do they have to go to their families in the event of the lifting of martial law. whether the war continues or not, or maybe on the contrary, women should return to men. it is true that the war is over, but it is not over. there is no political solution, he has no agreement. it can start with a new investment at any moment. an absolutely normal tactic and if putin wants it to continue indefinitely, this is a good option for him , in principle, it seems to me that his idea is putin's idea, how can he get power, this is just an unfinished war and not a victory in the war this is a continuation, this is it, and there is a new normal , just life at war

, russia is living at war with the west and with ukraine in russia itself. absolutely totalitarian vertical, whoever disagrees is the enemy of the people, arrest everyone, change the very nature of the economy , make it military-industrial, think about the camp economy, this is a continuation of the war from ukraine, where there are , in principle, absolutely excellent opportunities to rebuild the russian state because she likes the chekist and what about the russians? vitaliy skabeeva solovyova. i think there are not enough arguments to explain to people with their propaganda why the war continues, they have somehow exhausted their resources. i don't believe it at all. i think that people hear from television what corresponds to their e- e internal worldview because when we are told here you see how russian culture should be banned and no one needs it look what kind of person the navysnytsia

nation brought up russian culture well, really there is something incredible in russian culture, i would say that it is the most magnificent works, which are part of the world heritage there , but i apologize for this russian culture , on all these works, for two years , not only russians were brought up in ukraine , there were more russian schools, all these children studied the majority those who are now fighting and as officers of the ukrainian army, they taught tolstoy dostoyevsky and pushkin and not ivan bagryany and lina kostenko. well, it must be said that in latvia they taught tolstoy and dostoyevsky, and not to those who are close to their national writers , close to heaven, there is a big one, asparagus was banned in general, as i can give examples . why are you ukrainians who read the same books different from russians ?

you see what he wants in the book. you see. this is what i always try to explain to ukrainians when they say, how come in russia , we experienced such a drama, the war in afghanistan , and they again. he and in afghanistan, but they did not experience the drama. the reaction to what was happening in afghanistan and to the death of these young people was completely different in ukraine and in russia . in both cases, the ukrainian guys also perceived it as a catastrophe , so, well, they didn't like to talk about it, they, well , it was clear that they had experienced it, and

the most important idea of ​​everyone who went to the army in ukraine was not to get there when they moved to moscow, i encountered a completely different attitude to all this with a story about military exploits about how we all fired at the soviet people. but they existed in reality, this soviet people existed only as a fantasy of soviet propagandists, so i don't think there are problems with nightingales, treasures are problems in the fact that while the russians believe that civilizational success is the conquest of foreign lands and they are needed by the nightingale, there is another big problem . i even imagine that this vertical will break.

this important point will also break, we saw in 2020 the belarusian people who were in fact the majority on their streets and who wanted to get rid of lukashenka. and by the way , in 2020 we saw in the third year of the 22nd year the kazakh people on the same streets in order to force the vertical of kazakhstan began to calm down the kazakh opponents , the ogb troops were needed for the real russian troops entered there and this became a serious incentive and a signal for the kazakhs of such security forces that they have to fight their own the people of belarus, the protest was dispersed by the belarusian security forces themselves, now the question arises of what level the protest should be in russia. i even said in moscow, it means that there will be some kind of protest in khabarovsk or in novosibirsk or varla, it does not matter at all, because we will not know, it already happened

level, there should be a protest to moscow so that the power structures cannot deal with it, well, millions of them are already 140 million well, well, they could have gone out on the streets a long time ago if they wanted to, i repeat again, we take, not scatter, because political events in russia are of no importance. we treat moscow as a separate organism . i remember very well the demonstration in support of a free lithuania in the early 90s in moscow, when everything was quiet and peaceful in ukraine , almost even this demonstration in which it was not possible even to pass was so much. a dense number of people, it stretched for kilometers, i was occupied by the entire street of tverska. this is a huge artery. they continued along tverska to