[000:00:00;00] so philip, it is never a good sign of democracy for the state when a person is a politician, a former president . by the way, he is in prison and his life is in great danger, please testify to all independent medical examinations, that is , it is necessary to do everything to release him from this prison. and if the ukrainian authorities admits that this is a possible exchange, such an exchange , and someone will find ways, those who will find ways, those who are engaged in the exchange of prisoners from the russian side, because after all, there are talks and negotiating groups, as well, if possible direct the authorities in georgia to take such a step well, as soon as it happens, we will applaud and congratulate such achievements on the part of the ukrainian authorities , that is, i do not know whether it is theoretically possible

, but well, of course, my kamihail saakashvili should be called out of prison. today we celebrate the sad anniversary of the plane crash under in smolensk, we honor the memory of all those who died then as a result of the fall of the tu-1504 plane , almost the entire political leadership of the republic of poland died, let's see the story of our colleagues about this event, a tragic coincidence or political murder the causes of the plane crash in smolensk have been ongoing in poland for 13 years. on the morning of april 10, 2010, a polish government plane crashed near smolensk . president lekhachynskyi with his wife and 94 other people. on the occasion of the anniversary of the shooting of polish officers in the katyn forest, the russian investigation placed responsibility on the erroneous actions

of the crew who decided to land the plane despite poor visibility, the official polish report in generally agreed with these conclusions, recalling that pravda and about the errors of the controllers of the smolensk airport already in the first days of the plane crash were overgrown with a huge number of conspiracy theories whose supporters refused to believe in the official version. regarding the plane crash contributed to the victory of the opposition in the elections , after coming to power in 2016, the right justice party created a new the commission headed by the then minister of defense antony matsarevich still has not published the final report , but the interim conclusions state that there was an explosion on the plane before the fall and that the explosive device could have been installed by the russians during the scheduled repair of the tu-154 aircraft at the samara aviakort enterprise , which belongs to an oligarch close to putin

according to oleg deripastka , the main and indisputable reason for the disaster was the illegal intervention of the russian side in the operation of the tu-154m aircraft with the delegation of the president of the republic of poland the proof of this intervention was an explosion in the left wing, now the current opposition harshly criticizes the conclusions of the new commission, saying that its members manipulate the facts for political gain, in particular, mp barbara novatska , the daughter of one of the victims of the smolensk disaster , ex-detached prime minister izabella jarugynuvatska , demands the immediate termination of the activities of the matsarevich commission how can you look after the coffin of your brother, your sister-in-law, your friends and my mother, you built an empire of lies that allowed you to gain power how do you no shame, shame. i knew that there was putin 's agency here, but i did not guess that there was so much of it. the results of a public opinion poll published last year in september show that almost 60% of poles do not

trust the conclusions of the matsarewicz commission , while 24% of respondents believe them. 24 beliefs is the fourth part of mr. miroslav now and now, now, how do poles see polish society , what happened 13 years ago is essentially the biggest after katyn, such a tragedy for the polish people. well, as you can see, sociological surveys show that 60, well, 2/3 think that it was just a plane crash. well, the fourth part believes that it was not a plane crash, that it was a deliberate attempt on the part of russia and with the participation of the polish authorities at the time , so that the timetable such emotions subsided. emotions were very high and the hopes

of the current government are related to the activities of the mecherevich commission that they will reveal the real reasons and so on, the report has not been published even though law and justice has been in power for 8 years, what was the official version of the report now there is a version of fog and weather conditions, then lekhachynsky himself intervened in some way and gave instructions to the pilot. and now , what is the main version, there is no main version, there is simply no report, no version of the official report, and which would end with the imposition of punitive charges and so on, there are no appeals that is, we are in such a situation , well, the truth of the fault of the dispatchers has been proven by the investigation that was conducted in the tuzka government , the head of this commission was yezhemiler , a minister of many occasions, well, you know, i can

share my impressions because in this there were half of the people on the plane. i personally knew president kachynsky, and among the deputies was my assistant who when i became a deputy , he was a young guy of his own with this karpinyuk skobzheg and he died in this disaster , that is, a disaster for me, and it is such a personal experience because, well, many people they know that you know the president. yes, the president was not a stranger to me. kaczynski respected him a lot as a politician. it was still a disaster or an operation from a fairy tale. when i was doing something in the garden, then on april 10, it was the beginning of spring, and a friend called me, do you know what? happened i say what happened so and so crashed near smolensk when they were going to katyn and so on and so on and so on. my first thought was that this could be such a robe this robe that this is negligence and

this could only happen in poland because of such negligence why i think so they i was there because two years earlier, a very similar plane crash killed the entire command or, in fact, the entire command of the polish air force at the airfield near my area, where i was born and raised 3 km from this airfield. i grew up and i see it all and very and very similar the situation, that is, in spite of everything, despite all the warnings, a huge fog will settle down, because we as the former president of poland said that polish pilots are so professional that they can even land on the doorstep of clooney, well, they saw, i absolutely believe that the conclusions of the miller commission are reliable it is absolutely probable, that is, this plane crash was caused by a number of factors with the participation of unfortunately, the russian controllers, because

they should not allow the russian controllers to board the plane of the president of poland simply it was necessary to give the order to go to the second circle, as they say then, and sit down in another spare airfield. because when the president and any other plane takes off, he must have a spare redro . as far as i know, and even more so, the president of the president of poland is so huge it was a tragedy for the entire polish people and the entire polish state, but it is clear that before this disaster, it was an accident, not a castle of awareness, it is, after all, the country of origin of the plane, it does not surprise you, after all , it is already the 10th year that russia invaded georgia it

putin's munich speech was already zero, russia is already on the way to establishing its totalitarianism, and the polish president is flying on a plane of russian origin, which in two years, as it was said in this story, took place at the samara enterprise that belongs to rapeseed their technical repair work there. well, ukrainian presidents have flown on the same planes manufactured in russian airfields. polish ones have also flown in the same way. i have also flown on this plane several times. i've been to different places, all of them, which ones, as well as nothing. this is solid data . it's just that this crash was studied, and every detail was analyzed. everything was studied, and so on. the details should be provided, well, none of the people except the captain of this plane knew the russian language, it was always the case that

the russian i don't know radio technician got on this plane when they were flying to the territory of russia and he had to contact the dispatcher the control tower of this russian was not there then, and the relations between the firmware and t- and russia were relatively relatively good at that time , so they did not testify to the fact that it is necessary to resort to such a move to such a disaster, if someone convinces me that russia should not to trust i am the first one who will be this in this i am convinced that you cannot trust russia especially putin eh but when it comes to this case unfortunately unfortunately it was just like a disaster caused by negligence careless approach to the security of the president of poland unfortunately myroslaw will i review how did it happen? well, almost the entire leadership

of the e-e elites in poland was on the same board, and that's why it was such a huge loss, it's not only the president, he and his wife , there were the heads of e-e top departments, as well as the national bank and the military. well, you know more that everyone was on the same board and to what extent it did not contradict the security rules of the protocol of the internal security of the state no civilians civilians did not contradict because there was no well no not all the elite we will say well a large part of the elite high-ranking officials part of the parliamentarian there was no head that is in poland what is the degree of honor, yes, and the management of the state, the president, the first, the second, is the chairman of the diet, the lower house of the parliament, the second, the upper chairman of the senate, the fourth, the third , i apologize, the prime minister, the fourth is counted, uh, uh, this head of the senate, and the fifth

is counted in terms of dignity, the peace of varvarshava yes this is from those people who are listed, it seems that there was no one except the president from those leaders, i don't remember anymore because the former chairman, the chairman of the diet, and polozhinsky died there from the time when i was a member of the parliament, but he fought back there otherwise, that is, not all of them was and this let's get to the military, in fact, in this catastrophe, more soldiers died than during the september company of 39 , during the polish-german war, the ranks of generals in one in one battle in one - in one during one company of the polish army did not die in the 20th century not so many generals died. during this java disaster, that is, the problem was that the higher command went after them , and there, how can we take who flew and did not have the right to fly with the president in such a number

of generals, that is exactly the generality, that is, they all the instructions were broken. who was supposed to fly and who was allowed to fly? well, you know, the president flies from katyn to commemorate very important things and so on. well, the generals wanted to be with the president, the commander-in-chief, in fact, poland was left at one point without the first person in charge and without the military leadership of the military leadership in that, in a large part of the state structures , they were, well, it was known who should lead, how should lead, and so on, that the head of the diet then became the head of the state, and the future president bronislav komarovsky, that is, the state did not start without leadership. donald tusk was the prime minister at the time. he immediately went to smolensk.

by the number slava and how many circulations are objective, objective is the accusation that we heard in the story that the right-wing justice party then built a political future for itself, so to speak, on this catastrophe and the probable falsification of the results, eh, these the investigation into the causes of this disaster, i don't want to go into internal political polish moments today, and because it 's been 13 years since this disaster , that is , the emotions have subsided. the unification of all races, how terrible was the disaster, and the tragedy was so great that all poles really united after the death of pope john paul ii, such a moment

, the second bus, well, it was very emotional and nationwide, then i would survey conducted and do you think that this is yours as well as a general national tragedy ? i am convinced that more than 91% were there, people went under the presidential palace candles and put candles and so on until burning, that is, well, there was a huge experience, but then it appeared and how about this mourning exit well, it must be said. unfortunately , yaroslav kachynsky himself, the brother of the late president, did not want to exit this mourning. then something happened. what is wrong with the catholic tradition ? the so-called monthly celebrations began, that is, on the 10th of every month, there were processions from service crosses god's presidential palace is something that is not in the christian tradition, christian eastern traditions and

traditions based on the jewish model, well, the day of the funeral, of course, then there is the ninth day , the 40th and the first anniversary, and that's how the mourning ends, that is, even the priest. i remember from my childhood they told widows in particular, don't you, don't hold the mourning, because you have to get out of this gutter. a very big trauma, in addition to that, the belief of 31 or so percent of polish society that it was a deliberate lock, not only russian, but russian , so what is there, let's say it is conventionally understood. well, there were speculations and the atmosphere was very much like that, in fact, there was such a watershed and, as they say in poland

, two political tribes appeared. other plots and elements, but i would like today, in particular, after this 13th anniversary, to still appeal that this was a huge project, well, really a very big tragedy and that polish society perceived this tragedy as people, as a personal and a great trauma, so what which must be endured well, and pay tribute to those people who died, but here is the beginning of the full-scale aggression of russia in ukraine, poland was very well one of the first to help, this is also a moment of unity and rethinking by poland of its national traumas and wounds, which is the smolensk tragedy

gave a new impetus this is what happened in us on the 24th of last year, in the attitude to this tragedy, one is not connected with the other, well , that is, community polls, otherwise polish society has moved on, so to speak, digested the trauma of smolensk, so to speak, also on the fact that there are no final conclusions of this commission on cherevichok there, you know, there were huge scandals, there were members who refuted what was not written in this interim report and so on. i don't want to go on. i really want to. we sympathize with the people who died, just as you do with your tragedy , and we also experienced it then. i

remember this moment. i appeared on the radio as a news presenter. of course, what is now more optimistic than the president? she is talking about something. well, no blockade yet. yes, but they announced in poland the suspension of ukrainian grain until july. well , actually, what is this connected with? own farmers and businessmen well, what does the change of the minister have to do with it, too? well, there are several million tons of grain left in the silos of last year's, well , ukrainian ones, and theirs. and why i wasn't sold and the price on the markets was low, people thought that they were buying cheaply and that the situation on world markets will be such that they sell this grain at a profit , and there is no economic situation where the economic situation for grain, for wheat, for

other types of agricultural products decreases, that is, people are actually left with what is the harvest. here, now the means endure so well and soon they will reap what to do with what is left is to burn it, throw it away, sell it stupidly, that is, a really real problem has appeared, it is connected with two factors, firstly, the grain was sent to the european union from ukraine, everyone thought that it would be exported to africa, people who, you know, earn money and no one did not cancel capitalism for the period of the war, they bought it for one money and counted on the fact that they would sell it for the second money, to whom this mattered less, secondly, there was a conviction about the internal market , the minister who was dismissed said that you

keep your grain in the bins, don't worry because the price will be much higher in the spring, as now its people are full of the minister, who knows that it is left in those bins, the eyes of the lake, because the forecast is not illegal , it is wrong. the minister is responsible for predicting the situation on the market and is responsible for what is happening , what i want to say is that the agricultural market in the european union is highly regulated, there are surcharges for acreage and so on, prices are also regulated there, they float within certain limits, this surplus is an element of this so-called, let's call it speculative sales, but that's not what happens as the main continent, contracts are signed in advance many years in advance, strategic reserves and so on, this market is very regulated, very regulated. since the american market is ultimately and everything that happens above that caused

a huge zaz, a couple of million newtons of this grain caused such a thing , you know it too. i'm sorry, i know farmers - it's a market quite a lot, i used to work for the agriculture committee in the parliament, and it's not you, they're the people who don't understand what the market is. well, they were just wrong, well , myroslava. last week, the ukrainian president traveled with the first after the start of the great invasion during his official visit to poland, defense issues and fighter jets were also discussed there, but the president said after a meeting with the top leadership of poland that there will be no borders between our peoples, and now in ukraine, too, they started after

to actively discuss the construction of some kind of superstate structure, some kind of confederation, some kind of new grand duchy of lithuania, that now we will have such a union with poland, and a political one , possibly a military one, that we already have. union. to what extent are these forecasts of some ukrainian political scientists fantasy or not? is it really such a superstate entity that can appear in the near future or in the near future, what are the prospects in general was discussed during this trip of the ukrainian president, there were no such perspectives were discussed only the preparation of the agreement between the state and the new one was discussed because the old agreement dates back to the beginning of the 90s and now well it has been almost 30 years more than 30 years i apologize well it needs to be updated in particular in these situations well in fact, we now have such a situation that poland and ukraine or a ukrainian from poland are in fact in the military union, porchere is actually a hub, a military, humanitarian,

economic hub of ukraine, that is, an intel as says the ukrainian front, this is self-evident when it comes to president zelensky, he said everything correctly that there will be no borders when ukraine joins the european union, there will be no borders, i dream of this moment when the border will no longer exist, when it will be possible to move and conditionally from warsaw to lviv to stop by those four hours there, here 4.5 hours to walk in place at a crossing or any control, but this is of course connected with ukraine's membership in the european union , on the other hand, when talking about some new formations and so on, i don't like these for the first time it is impossible due to the fact that poland will not leave nato, this is so true and ukraine needs everyone from the european union, you are somehow so unsure of the european union, when will this supremacy of the right not to observe these be broken, it can happen today on one white day what is

political the forces that say that everything we could get from the european union, all the benefits, we received, and now what do we have to pay to the common to the common common budget, this is not it, it is not us, in fact, the vectors are, er, different, so ukraine wants to get correctly wants to receive together with a member of the european union, even before a member of the european union, like all countries that applied for membership in the eu , it costs a lot of money. thank you, yes, the polish politician and journalist was with us , stay with the espressos, we are finishing our part of the broadcast, but then our colleagues will continue his daughter-in-law, svitlana valevska, was with you , yes, you have hearing problems

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