moscow is definitely sticking its ear out there for 100%. well, at least we know that there are a lot of wild monkeys living in brazil, this we know for sure from a film from the soviet era, let's talk about the united states of america , the state secretary of this country, anthony blinken , said about this in one of his interviews during the past week that the united states of america will continue to help ukraine until its victorious end please tell of the victorious end somewhat does not agree with the position not always i would say so agrees with the position of some european leaders not to a victorious end but to a peaceful end and what will it be? was and it is being followed and now uh, moreover, the situation will change in

the 24th year when there will be uh elections in many countries of europe and the united states of america therefore, uh, we have to take these moments into account and for the united states , the position of the united states , they consider the defeat of russia in this war as a signal for china, that is, the confrontation of the united states with china is strategic. there in the 27th year against the taiwanese, it may be unsuccessful and china may lose a lot, including the second position in the world as a leading country, so for the united states, this war over ukraine's gain in this war is extremely large, they consider it in in the context of preparing their negotiating position in the future

in order to prevent confrontation, i.e. in this context for europe it is a little different, the war is on their side. they would like to end it as soon as possible because they spend more on it and are actually a physical base i.e., everything is on their shoulders and the movement of people who have left ukraine and help in economic and financial terms, they also believe that they bear large expenses and they understand that the influence of europe is decreasing because international cooperation and international trade chains are also broken, all of them are broken, therefore the position of europe is somewhat different , plus each country has its own national interests, we see what, for example, the netherlands let's say hungary is cardinal and diametrically there, or poland and hungary cardinal-demetral position and national interests and wars, they are different , that's why europe is a set of uh, they haven't yet become such a single solidarity uh community that

could speak with one voice, so they wanted , for example, to sign an investment agreement with china, in which they would like to balance bilateral trade, which is somewhat unbalanced and worries europe, but they were unable to do this and on the rest of the issues, that's why europe has a different position than the united states, they differ, but the common denominator is that it is necessary to restore the security system that was violated, well, on the basis of international norms, which was based on, which was actually violated by russia , i.e. forceful seizure of territory, violation of sovereignty, territorial integrity, this system must be restored, otherwise, they they believe that it will be chaos in international relations then ruslan, well, you said about the national interests of various european countries, and you can explain, for example, to our audience, what is the difference between the national interests of, for example, austria and great britain in relation to supporting ukraine

, britain definitely positioned itself first as a former global leader , she has a community of 54 countries around the world that listen and follow the direction of international politics, it is actually a center of power and a financial center of power and trade and of trade and is actually the center of power of the democratic world because the common system on which the entire political system of britain is based is like a model for democratic countries, according to this system, the system of the united states is built there. the principles are from britain, austria positions itself as a neutral, you know, inside europe , a country that gives the opportunity, for example, to the same intelligence services and russian intelligence to work on the territory of austria, if not

its interests are being violated. was austria a russian hub? for many years in the 70s of the last century, it was a hub for energy carriers, for example , natural gas came there and was distributed throughout europe . austria had profits, in fact, cemented its social and political stability thanks to trade is in russian natural gas. that is, completely different uh, different uh, different countries , different national interests, well, that's true in certain moments, thank you very much , thank you. the visit can be more than two about the visit of the president of ukraine volodymyr zelenskyi to poland last week, in your professional opinion , how successful was this visit

. of our history when we lived together in the baltic countries poland-ukraine and there is an understanding in poland and in the baltic countries and there is an understanding in ukraine that our destiny and our future is with our brothers in poland and in the baltic countries if we are together there in the confederation, for example, not as before there was subordinated under a subordinate state , this led to the fact that we lost this unity and we should be equal equal partners in such a union, mini-united , well, in the confederation let's say so and then in fact we are old this geopolitical formations will be created on two seas. as for geopolitics, if you rely on two seas, in fact you are invincible and you have an extremely large potential for trade and development. well, in your opinion, such a confederation or the creation of such a confederation is at the moment realistic

opportunity. i think we need to work on this. the fact is that poland is already a member of the european union, and we are outside the borders. we are considered for the time being as a buffer state, but the creation of these mini-unions is due to the fact that they will not want us. countries joining nato can lead to what will push these mini-unions, i think so , and in the end we will still create a military-political union or such a political union with poland and the baltic countries, because it will provide a guarantee er from the attack after finishing war on us. that is, it will be considered as a mini-guarantee until we join nato and we will be kept on the porch for a long time.

to constantly claim ukraine and then threaten all countries . that is, to put it, they think that they will put all nato countries at risk, so we will see how the configuration will unfold, but the potential is there for this, but if russia is not in its current state, if russia is not in its current state, then there will be, then there will be a completely different geopolitical configuration, then china will take the far east and trans-baikal, and these are also the territories that they lost under two treaties after the opium wars when china was weakened was in the 19th century, that is, part of russia will be torn away by china , and part will be claimed by western europe, and the united states will also claim in order to reform - reformat. in the democratic part of this european part of russia , there may be a completely different schedule, of course mr. ruslan, thank you very much for participating in my program, the last question, but a very short answer

. how would you answer those for the question that we asked viewers on youtube who leaked secret american information ? russia, china, your option, china, china, of course , thank you, mr. ruslan osypenko, diplomat , expert - an international man was a guest of the first part of my program, they talked a lot about china , but also other topics related to ukraine and its support, so before i introduce my next guest very quickly now i'll tell you what's going on in our youtube, if i'm allowed, obviously the internet, eh. yes, we're watching the internet right now, so far, i don't really want to allow it, it doesn't allow it. 87 votes , unfortunately, very few voted, so out of those 8, 88 58% think that it's russia, 23% think it's china, 18% have their own version, and watch now there are only 669 people, but it's on a separate channel on youtube, which was created specifically for

the sweet program during the war, please join, well, i'm ready introduce your next guest in order to be with him to discuss the following topics vadim denysenko executive director of the ukrainian institute of the future mr. vadim i congratulate you glory to ukraine i congratulate you thank you for joining today well, what we will talk with you today is mostly about, unfortunately , russia, belarus, yes, before the visit of the self-proclaimed president of the belarusians , oleksandr lukashenko, to moscow talked about the fact that lukashenka might offer some kind of peace plan to putin. there is information that on one of the days of lukashenka's stay in moscow, they sat late at night putin's kremlin apartment, and they talked about very important topics for a long time. well, but about the plan further, in addition to what piskov said about the plan, i have absolutely

no information at all. well, if you take into account what piskov said about it and he announced it, then there were probably such movements and maybe they talked about it in this apartment, mr. uh, mr. denys, mr. vadim, please tell me if he is tired or if this indicates that lukashenko is frankly tired of the russian war in ukraine, only that lukashenko is serves two masters, who serves putin and a servant from the stammering, and i thought that the only peace plan that lukashenko can theoretically talk about is some options or invariants of the peace plan from the intellipin regarding ukraine, so i think the only thing they could talk about is some kind of the configuration of the chinese navy, however, how can belarus play all the games and how can it

try to influence the internal processes that will depend on the diplomatic capabilities of such us on one side and on the other the parties to what putin will agree or not agree to, that is, of course, they cannot meet with putin every day for this lukashenko, with whom it is possible to transfer certain parcels in turn, his visit, i mean lukashenka to china can be considered as a visit of a russian boy to the chinese leader in order for him to pass on the information to putin, no, lukashenko met with the new president before fizipin met with putin in moscow, in this case it was very important for china that uh lukashenko met right before uh with a visit, all the fuss goes to moscow, and we must also clearly understand here that china does not need the annexation of belarus to the russian

federation, not ukraine, because china wants to have different logistics windows to the european union, except for the russian federation, because the conditions for the annexation of belarus are, in principle, one of such logistical windows and logistical hubs from which what is belarus at the moment to china , in principle, it would be closed, therefore, from this point of view, raising the status of lukashenka is raising the status of belarus, which is now called in china, all weather, all weather, all this spoke only about one thing, that china demonstrated that it needs an independent belarus, whether the pva is independent , it does not matter. an intermediary in the transmission of this or that information, despite

what you said, we can say that while china needs it, lukashenko will be the self-proclaimed president of belarus , yes. says and few people understand it, but in the 19th year, when the revolution took place in well, the so-called revolution, more precisely in minsk, lukashenko survived in many ways thanks to the fact that it was china that supported him, because, at that time , there was a great threat to this lukashenka that he might not be able to move the russians themselves er belarusians certainly could not because this revolution had no chance no but the russians could try to move him under noise but the chinese did not allow it to be done then the next question is who else lukashenko is needed now, putin or xinyen, it is lukashenko both, that is, he can’t do it without one, he can’t, and that is, in this case, i repeat once again, he will try to play his two-sport game, because without

russian oil, he will not be able to do anything without along with a number of other things, his economy is primarily dependent on russia and the russians can make a circuit breaker quite easily, so he needs to balance between the two . it is clear . what now at least from what the russian mass media write, there is active preparation for the creation of this repository where all this should take place. 12 points and in which there is a thesis that nuclear weapons cannot be used and sizinpin could convince lukashenka not to create this warehouse.

belarus. we cannot rule it out. i would say yes, that is, do we need china ? we don’t need it either, or do we need the power of lukashenka, no matter how strange it sounds, but he doesn’t need it either, because the box will be in moscow and he gets another military base on its territory but this is no longer just a base, a base with nuclear weapons , er. could er, lukashenko and putin talk about this, too? i thought that this was one of the important topics er, in the negotiations putin lukashenko, but er for putin now steals important in principle to capitalize on all the economic washing that russia has done to belarus is already a new horror story for the european union and a long horror story for nato, so i think that as of this year, there is no answer to this question, the probability is actually, unfortunately, very high

on the part of e-e, there is very high confidence that nuclear weapons can be placed on the territory of belarus, then there is one more question . and why are these nuclear weapons on the territory of belarus for putin if he has nuclear weapons on the territory of the kaliningrad region, which is such an enclave within independent europe and there are a lot of nuclear weapons there, why is it me first? and why am i asking because at first, when this information began to appear, it seemed to me that it was just putin's truth, he is playing to show how strong he is. now we see and you will now say that this can happen before that and it cannot be ruled out, why does he have these weapons in belarus, well, first of all, this is another point of tension on the map of europe and another point... belarus is exactly what putin is, that is, in this case, the appearance of a nuclear military base it can change a lot of things in the world if you are not talking about the moments of june 2023 when

the placement of these weapons is promised, if in the future there is a year 2 3 5 it can change in general all geopolitical schedules are directly related to belarus, so i think that it is for these two reasons that this one should be looked at. it is clear. and please tell me whether it is putin who needs peace talks right now. no, he is not ready for them right now, even uh. i think that he still believes that he needs to capture and gain a foothold in in some other territories that's why they are now throwing everything they can throw at the bakhmut area in the donetsk region to try to break through our defenses so that our defenses, as they believe , fell on the donetsk regions to try to leave the borders of donetsk and luhansk regions finally as it was announced on february 24, 2022 e- in principle, not uh, having received the whole donbas, well, it will be very difficult for him to explain uh

, why he went to the peace talks . therefore, for now , i think that uh, he is not even theoretically ready for this. of our affairs for the time being, to the great regret of our northeastern neighbor serhiy lavrovov, that moscow is ready to be involved in these negotiations, but ukraine does not want to . -e for any e-e similar if he is asked similar questions or russia is a peaceful country yes russia is a peaceful country does it want to it can it so it wants it in what way well it is necessary to depict the territory therefore it is necessary to treat it only as if the depicted it is clear well, now let's move on to a slightly different topic for your expert professional opinion. who can benefit from the leaking of secret information , well, which one was reported first by the new york times newspaper and then by the

washington post newspaper, and what all this can lead to in principle, eh i believe that it could have been the russians and the chinese equally. which of them did it? it is very difficult for me to say what this will lead to. it will obviously lead to certain changes in pedagogy. is reshuffles in the intelligence and er in the intelligence organizations of the united states of america if we talk about whether this will somehow affect the course of military operations on the territory of ukraine or some things related to ukraine, i thought no , well, look, if you said that, it could be beneficial for russia and china. can you argue how exactly this can be beneficial for russia and how exactly this can be beneficial for china and i heard another opinion that this could be a game on the domestic electorate in the united states of america and that it could be angered by the people

in particular, they are related to the 45th president of the united states of america, donald trump, in order to prove that the russian war in ukraine and the support of ukraine are not beneficial to the neighboring states of america. well, i also made up this story about the fact that this city well, to be honest, everything is very, very difficult to believe, because we must understand that not much time will pass from the moment when, in principle, it will be clear who poured out how the pours , how the deed happened, and this person who poured it out, well, of course, she is unlikely to be it's not i may not understand what this can lead to if we talk about why it is beneficial for china and russia, this is the weakening of the united states of america, it is definitely both one and the other now the attitude of the united states of america is very beneficial to china, it is necessary in order to sit down on the right of

bytes and bring this condition closer to yalta, well, that is, in principle, is it possible to deal with it from the other side, it can be beneficial for the russians, because any internal peace in russia in the stewed states of america is now on their hands. it's a hair dryer. well, we are should just pay attention to what in our latitudes especially no one is talking and they are not paying lip service, but as of now , all the botfarms of the russian federation are focused on work in europe and the united states of america and, uh, all their rhetoric in general now that we should stop giving aid to ukraine, ukraine is a neighboring country, in ukraine, everything is sold and so on and so on and so on and actually speaking, uh, against the background of this , they really pumped up somewhere in the last months, they are just incredibly active, they work with it that you can see uh, not particularly delving into the topic, you can just visually see how much it has been activated. it is this

message uh, and against this background, uh, the beginning of the great scandal in the pentagon certainly cannot be in the hands of the russians. well, for example, what a pity it's true with you, i completely agree with you on this p vadim come on well, i can't ask for your comment regarding the information that appeared the day before in the mass media about the fact that one british general richard danat, i was looking for him, he really exists such is richard dana. he said that the physical liquidation of putin is possible and that it may even happen with the help of some internal russian brute from among those who are part of putin's inner circle, and he even said that this there may even be general gerasimov who even meets with putin and what he thinks this filth will do after a successful

counteroffensive against the armed forces of ukraine . after all, these wars of the kremlin towers are still going on. is this after all some kind of yellow yellow information, that is, in this case, imagine that gerasimov eh secretly brings eh a gun eh in some weapon kills putin during the meeting, well, it is almost realistic, especially in general, and gerasim's philosophies, and the fact that he can do something similar, that is, the probability of such a scenario is currently uh, i believe that with all the uh pleasantness of talking about it, it hardly exceeds 11% at the moment. i think it's a shame to talk about that

that now there is a real possibility to do some kind of such a coup in russia , it is almost realistic now, at this moment, do the towers of the kremlin understand that they are moving in that direction, yes, they all understand this very well, or do they understand that they have no prospects in russia with volodymyr pu where they understand this perfectly but are they now ready to start any uh processes related to the coup there is nothing at all at the moment good in your opinion why if they see that russian is suffering from this the economy is suffering from this, well, really, they themselves, because russian sanctions have been introduced against many of them, some people have had their expensive houses taken away, some people have been banned from traveling abroad, well, that's the least of it. apparently, what could have happened to someone, their bank accounts were closed abroad because they also had such why, when they understand all this, you still claim that they will not do anything because coups do not happen

because of the fact that money was taken from you, that is, in this case, coups take place then when there is trust in this number of partners and when you clearly understand what your future will be after this coup, as of now, i think that there is not a single tower of the kremlin that has started negotiations with someone about the beginning of this coup, and the second each of they understand that it is actually relatively easy to make a coup. even in this situation, it is much more difficult to keep this power. do any of them now have, in principle, the ability to guarantee the influence of the mass media that allowed them to do such things? well, to be honest, so far it looks like, uh, they don't have some kind of group that said that tomorrow we will all be a coup thanks to this. we are getting stronger . so far, to be honest, i really want to be wrong. i really want

to be wrong, but so far i don't see anything necessary. well, really, i agree with to your great regret, and any people who carry out coups, they should at least try to rely on the masses of the people. well , the masses of the people in russia can now be consulted all the more in such a matter, well, it is obviously impossible , vadim, one more question for you, which can be er, still, considering what we are seeing now about the possible counter-impossible and about the counteroffensive of ukraine, what could be the future of russia? what could russia be after putin, in your opinion ? after putin. therefore, please, i know that history has seen cases when dictators lost wars and remained dictators. this is the first time

that a dictator lost wars and threw them off . this is the same cloth after the second world war. therefore so far, it is still too early to guess, i know that we are guessing in advance , but i still wanted to hear your opinion about it. thank you for your answer. this was vadym denysenko, the executive director of the ukrainian institute of the future. thank you very much for participating in the program. - and i will gradually sum up the results of today's program, for this i need to go to youtube of our tv channel and watch 147 votes, unfortunately, something has been very bad lately compared to what it was before. so, to the question of who leaked the secret information - this is a guide that in particular talked about ukraine and russia, we gave you three options for answers: russia, china, your option, so 52% of those who voted

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. finally, i want to remind you that the next time we will meet as usual next monday, there will be new guests, there will be new topics, it will be interesting as always , unfortunately, due to lack of time , i am forced to end today's program. his my colleague serhiy rudenko and his verdict i congratulate serhiy, you have a word i congratulate yura literally in a few seconds the verdict will start glory to ukraine this is a program verdict my name is serhiy rudenko good day and good health to all today, april 10, 411 days of heroic resistance of the ukrainian people to the russian occupiers, the occupiers in bakhmut switched to syrian tactics